GT6 'MY HOME' HUB: Awards time.

[photonrider]

I did have a go with LM55 already. Only tried it this one time, mosti likely will have to start improving the time.

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Nice work, MTM79 - so that starts the ball rolling and gives us a time to beat. I shall put that time up on the leaderboard.
If someone has a faster time, then tag me, and I shall insert the new time into the Leaderboard in the OP.

Exclusive hunting event is on, Zytek @ Tokyo. Looks like winning the AI might turn out to be impossible, winner is the one who gets the slowest field while driving the fastest total time. I don't seem to be able to get a field without the Minolta driven by D.Allison, so fast they go. And there always is the possibility of AI messing up themselves and losing many seconds in the process which would give the edge to someone not driving the fastest race himself.

Good luck. A good challenge, too, would have been to see how many LMs one could actually overtake - and if the count is the same, then the fastest time.

Sadly I didn't post a single entry last round, so I'm not in for any trophies this time. Vic and nowayback get to divide them.
But there was the round before the last round which had E55 AMG, fastest time at beginner and Shelby Daytona at Red bull ring. As well as the B-spec Aventadors. I don't think those trophies were divided?

I'm trying to wade through all the stats to try and find the winners of that round, too - so if someone would compile a list of award winners, I would very much appreciate it, and will adjust the OP then with the new awards.

I have a huge luncheon to attend today, so back after that for more time in here and at the console, too.

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I did an intensive 4 hour experiment on the AI yesterday and can confirm this: kissing the AI asses do not make them go faster. They get a slight push in speed that appears very fast (perceptively) since the pusher themselves have slowed down because of the impact.
The fastest driver/car in the Beginners Seasonal for instance is Chapman in the Elise; he does his fastest race when untouched. In fact, the fastest races are where no one touches anybody. Did over fifty races last night to test it out.

 

[nowayback]

Some new times.
Expert hectic ! with this car. No time to relax. Messed up first 2 laps, which is normal till I get used to the line up, then 1:23.xxx . So far hasn't made much of a difference Df . getting about same time with full as mid.

 

[Vic Reign93]

Here's my attempt with the Zytek @photonrider

Was quite a hectic battle to catch and stay ahead of the 5 drivers on my tail.

 

[MTM79]

Wow, @Vic Reign93

Didn't think that could be done. So it's just a matter of going fast enough to get draft.. This might need some retries.

And also the winner in your race drove 7:29, quite a normal pace, couple of seconds slower maybe than usual. This got me thinking, if it were possible to finish in a Zytek at around 7:40 and the AI would have a race where they mess up good, it just might actually be possible to win this in a Zytek. Remote chances, but starting to look possible.

Edit, @photonrider , interesting - no pp/hp increase then as a bumping penalty? makes more sense, because it would have been a very arcade-type solution. Did you notice any difference in the AI behaviour? For example someone (AI) might be cruising along at a medium pace, but when bumped into he would get upset and push hard for a while? I've had a feeling that this could be the case.

 

[nowayback]

Some good runs, lost too much time defending position, will try later just for time.

 

[Vic Reign93]

Some good runs, lost too much time defending position, will try later just for time.
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Interesting, you were 2 seconds slower than me, but you passed more drivers at the same time.

Did any of them screw up and wreck?

 

[MTM79]

2nd place atm..?

 

[photonrider]

Update:

Rabbit Hunters' Exclusive Race: Zytek at Tokyo.

nowayback: 7:48:981 Overtook 8.
Vic Reign93: 7:46:233 Overtook 5
MTM79: 8:04:481 Overtook 1.

Fastest: Vic Reign93
Most Overtakes: nowayback.

Not sure if I should 'advertise' the Pro Race in the OP - since it's only the 3 of you and WhoosierGirl who are eligible for this event. The battle is getting quite exciting, though, and once again, as on so many occasions before, I see you guys pushing each other to the limits, starting to clip seconds of your times, as well as working though the traffic much cleaner. Great performances to watch - some video replays would be hugely welcomed by fellow members no doubt.

A few more events will be added to the OP today - mainly the two races for the Unlicenced Rabbit Hunters, giving us a chance to level up, and gain our VicReign Rights.

Eventually we are going to see full-blown Online Rabbit Hunter Events for Fully Licenced Rabbit Hunters exclusively. Till that day . . . baby steps, baby steps. Great to see you guys battle it out. 👍

 

[nowayback]

Interesting, you were 2 seconds slower than me, but you passed more drivers at the same time.

Did any of them screw up and wreck?

Good line up for passing. Could have been 3rd on previous one, was chasing Toyota 7, he probably crashed somewhere, I was too impatient and he ran me into wall 2nd to last turn, would have had a better time though.

@photonrider have replay, but don't you need a capture device to post?

 

[nowayback]

Had enough of being passing on every straight, pulled out the LM55

 

[MTM79]

Had enough of being passing on every straight, pulled out the LM55
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Nice one! What's your best lap? I've managed 1:23.1xx but can't get 5 good laps in a row..

 

[photonrider]

Ah! Yes. That's how it goes, nowayback. The old 'revenge trip'. Felt good, eh. Therapy, therapy . . .
After tussling with the rabbits in a Zytek, the LM55 must feel like you were reached out and touched by the Great Alien themselves.

Looked through here and tried to pull out some stats; guys, maybe you should update the times with the ones you beat so I can keep track easier.

Latest I can see (so that I can throw it into the OP) :

Beginners - RX7 at HSR:
nowayback: 4:05:530
MTM79: 4:11:864
photonrider: 4:15:447

Intermediate - Carlton at Silverstone
Vic Reign93 6:15:672
MTM79: 6:16:666
nowayback: 6:26:975

Expert - LM55 at Tokyo Reverse
nowayback: 7:15:743
MTM79: 7:19:916

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Edit, @photonrider , interesting - no pp/hp increase then as a bumping penalty? makes more sense, because it would have been a very arcade-type solution. Did you notice any difference in the AI behaviour? For example someone (AI) might be cruising along at a medium pace, but when bumped into he would get upset and push hard for a while? I've had a feeling that this could be the case.

I tested all this at the Beginner's at HSR:
Bumping them in the corners makes them go a tad faster around the corner but then they settle back into pace.
Bumping them on a straight makes them get pushed ahead a wee bit but they fall back to pace as soon as you fall back due to the hit.
If you bump them with a powerful enough vehicle and follow them closely as soon as you hit them they will increase speed to keep ahead of you as if you were bump-drafting them; a bump and fall back does not get them speeding ahead continually.
If you get ahead of them and maintain enough speed to keep the lead AI close on your tail, they will increase speed with you - in effect you are dragging them along.
With all races I tested, the AI race faster when being 'dragged' along than when being pushed ahead.
I bumped every car as I passed and this only slowed down the whole race.
I bumped 2nd to get them ahead of the leader and this works only if 2nd is close to the leader and in a passing position - otherwise both 2nd and 1st will increase speed to make you race faster.
Every race has one fastest driver/car combo; the faster you get, the more faster the fields become.
Every field I tried, in one sitting, playing the same car, same seasonal continuously, became stronger until I finally had the field that had Gibson in the Elise on pole - the fastest race.

After I won that race (Gibson on pole) in several different ways (for instance only overtaking beginning the 3rd lap) the Game started throwing me randomly mixed fields, some slow, some fast, and some wildly mixed with over-aggressive AI - a good number of interesting vehicles appear, too.

I can say at this point that the game definitely saves one's progress and 'plays back' by offering (releasing via filters) appropriate fields, until you exhaust its resources by being too good for the race.
And apart from bump-drafting, the AI do not speed up when whacked in the rear. They scoot ahead a bit then settle down to pace.

2nd place atm..?

Check the stats above and confirm?

Good line up for passing. Could have been 3rd on previous one, was chasing Toyota 7, he probably crashed somewhere, I was too impatient and he ran me into wall 2nd to last turn, would have had a better time though.

A very interesting challenge for those with sufficient skills to make passes. BTW - have you noticed that the guys bunch up towards the end? It's a handicap race after all, so towards the last laps is where there is a lot of opportunity to pass.
To pass some very fast cars, that is.

@photonrider have replay, but don't you need a capture device to post?

I think youtubing it (new verb?) and passing it along here would work, too? Don't ask me, I'm clueless when it comes to the Internet.

Bulletin Boards don't baffle me much.

 

[Vic Reign93]

I forgot to quote you with my new Carlton time on the previous page @photonrider

 

[MTM79]

And I thought this would have been enough..

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Good time you got there! 👍

As did I @photonrider

 

[photonrider]

Thanks guys. 👍
Okay - the stats are fixed now - so here's the plan:

Leaderboards will be updated Mondays and Thursdays.
So I will put up these current stats today, and then update them in the OP with any new shifts in position on Thursday. Obviously there is a lot of life left in the events and possibly more time to be clipped off as we play with different fields, and this means constant changes in the Leaderboard which would be hard to keep updated manually efficiently.
Eventually, as more Players try out the events and larger Leaderboards are needed we will think of sourcing some help in getting these Leaderboards automated.

So basically - close off time for Leaderboard update this sector.

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Now - back to updating the OP.

Edit: OP updated with Monday Times, now.

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Sorry for the postponement of the two races scheduled for unlicenced hunters.

I have two really fun events for beginners, as well as players honing their skills and wanting to level up (without having the likes of VicReign chasing their tail ), coming up tonight and will open them officially tonight.


Here's a clue to get your motors going : how close a win can you get?

Yes, get your best steed out, take it to HSR, and tease the leader to the finish line - then finish 'em off by a whisker. You can do that right?
Closest shave gets the trophy.
The trophy?

The Finish-Line Fanatic Award.

Fully Licenced Rabbit Hunters not eligible.

I'll post the event tonight after which entries from eligible players will be eligible. Happy hunting!

 

[nowayback]

Watched replay with Zytek and 4th lap the Judd does personal best lap 1:26!

Nice one! What's your best lap? I've managed 1:23.1xx but can't get 5 good laps in a row..

1:22.4 mostly 1:23.xxx . really haven't had a clean lap yet though. 1:25-26 1st lap .

 

[photonrider]

First off - One more event added - and will be on till the Seasonals are over:

The Finish-Line Fanatic Award.

All entrants ('cept for the fully licenced hunters) are welcome and I'm hoping to see more timesheets thrown in - will be interesting to see what the different AI do under these conditions and their final times and gaps between 2nd and 3rd, etc.

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Having finished investigating the Beginners I moved on to the Intermediate with the same pattern showing - slow leaders moving down from the pole to make way for faster cars as a Player would win the event and call for the next field.

Here are the runs:

First Run:

Second run, with me running much faster:

Second Field to come up:

Third Field to come up:

And next:

If one studies the line-ups one can see what is happening.

But which field is the fastest? Obviously this depend on the Player, then (if this hypothesis holds water) - which makes me realise that you Rabbit Hunters that are running extremely quick must be receiving fast fields that others may never get. Is this possible?
Only tests will tell.

So test it out with me and let's check if we can unearth the fastest field in the Intermediate.
If you come up with unusual and fast driver/car combos report it in with the screenshots - would be very helpful.

I'm going to hazard a guess that Holzman in the Ruf is the fastest of all - but does he ever get on pole?
And - having said that - let me add - I can't make him go any faster. Maybe you guys can. I'm doubting the Beemer is faster.

Here's the fastest field I could find:

Is there one faster?
I have a slow time in this race because while Holzman was getting away the back-markers were very aggressive. As soon as I caught up with Holzman, however, he took off like a bat outta hell - like he was waiting for me to get through the traffic and race with him.
Kinda like some Online Lobby races I've been in

 

[photonrider]

Throwing in one more Online Seasonal Challenge - this one again exclusively for Rabbit Hunters with only two Trophies or less as well as all newcomers to the Games and Challenges in here who have never bagged a Trophy yet. Basically: the four Top Dogs in here - you know who you are ( ) - are not allowed anywhere near this event.

The Brit Steed Avenger.

Of special interest not only to Brits but all drivers that love those awesome British beasts - here is a chance to show how fast you can make PD's versions of these babes move - with the advantage of being right at home thrashing Silverstone. Get your best Brit babe out, and get beastly with her - see how fast you can outrun the AI. Maximise your speed by using all available options you can handle. Feed your steed every available automotive steroid. When one's backyard is taken up by all sorts of foreign cars it's time to restart the British invasion. Fastest time wins the award.

That's the official event - but largest gap would be impressive, too. Fastest AI raced would also make us raise a brow or two in admiration.

I'll start off by throwing in a time easily challenged - especially since the Top Dogs are staying out of it.

Decided to use one of my favourite British steeds - was hopelessly addicted to it in GT4, and I like the GT6 Version even better. Just such an enjoyable drive.

Ackerman in the M4 didn't have too shabby a time either.
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Today is the cut off for Leaderboard times - so if you are salting away away any good runs, bring 'em out and let's have a look at them - I will be updating all Leaderboards tonight, and they will display those standings over the weekend as further battling takes place.

Remember you are not trying out for a career when having fun with these particular events; enjoy the game and all the fun it offers, and share your fun with us - happiness shared is multiplied. 👍

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

Not a blistering time by any stretch of the imagination, but one I'll put out there anyways...

This from my former COTW pick, as English as it can be

Or if I had to beat your overall time, then we could try this one...

Both of these were from the Online Seasonal A-spec event at Silverstone... hope that's the right one!!!

Cheers

 

[photonrider]

Not a blistering time by any stretch of the imagination, but one I'll put out there anyways...
This from my former COTW pick, as English as it can be

Great time with the Europa - I wanted to try the E-type, too.

Or if I had to beat your overall time, then we could try this one...

You . . . you . . . *shakes fist.

Both of these were from the Online Seasonal A-spec event at Silverstone... hope that's the right one!!!

Cheers

Yes, it was the right one: your time will go up on the Leaderboard this Sunday.
First off, Baron, thanks for joining us. Believe me - many do try these events but rarely have a time good enough to be thrown in, and that was a pretty blistering time set with the Tuscan; good to know that car can do so well. There are a few other British beasts around capable of that, so it would be interesting to see someone else come up with a faster time in another car. I have to try the Tuscan myself, though I doubt I would come too close to your time - great job! 👍

How the events work here is simply this way:
We use the online Seasonal A-Spec races to schedule Events tailored to a particular challenge.
We use some offline Career mode races for the same purpose.
The Challenges are open to all members, unless specified for a certain group.
Winning a Challenge earns one the right to make the next Challenge, unless otherwise specified (for instance I manage all the B-Spec and Amateur Challenges myself at this point in time, but this will change in the future as we pick up more players.)
Winning 3 Challenges gives the Player 'VicReign rights' which go with being a certified Rabbit Hunter.

You don't have to play every event - in fact you don't have to play consistently, you can play at any time you feel like meeting a particular Challenge.

The purpose of having these events is to add to the possible challenges the 'single player' events can provide.
In addition we focus on AI behaviour with a view to improving the Challenges we set ourselves by understanding their strengths and weaknesses.
The thread is also used for general discussion on the AI - A-Spec, B-Spec, and online AI.

I hope that answers a lot of questions; I know I'm rather 'jargonish' in the blurbs I write in the OP pertaining to each event, but that's just to engage the spirit of fun and games. Any questions at any time - feel free to throw them in.

I'm hoping you will find the time to try the other Challenges, too.

 

[CBH]

Hey @photonrider I am very sorry I can not join in on these challenges anymore.

 

[photonrider]

NP - it's not an obligation as might be in a league or club. Participate whenever you want - even if it just one event. 👍
I'm not here too often myself but try to keep the events going so that those who want to try them out (even if it was just to compare times) can do so.

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

I'm hoping you will find the time to try the other Challenges, too.

Things have been crazy busy as of late (as you might be able to tell in the COTW thread from my sparse participation) but things are settling down. So I hope to stick around and provide some entertainment value as either cannon fodder or maybe even competition to the Quickies that put up their names in your leaderboard. It seems like every second or third blue moon I can be almost fast...

So now the question is, do I actually have what it takes to say this...???



EDIT: Here's one of the events if it's not too late...

And for your consideration, an entry for that close shave contest...

Cheers

 

[photonrider]

Things have been crazy busy as of late (as you might be able to tell in the COTW thread from my sparse participation) but things are settling down. So I hope to stick around and provide some entertainment value as either cannon fodder or maybe even competition to the Quickies that put up their names in your leaderboard. It seems like every second or third blue moon I can be almost fast...

I have noticed that at the COTW races. It's what keeps everyone on their toes; anything can happen.

EDIT: Here's one of the events if it's not too late...

Fortunately (for you) I was late myself in updating the Sunday Leaderboards, so you did make it into the OP.

And for your consideration, an entry for that close shave contest...

Cheers

Back to the drawing board with you - it's at the Beginner race that the Close Shave Challenge is being held.
That looked like a good race, though, so I'm going to try that and see if I can generate similar heart-pounding excitement for myself. Was that a stock Marcos you were using?

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

Back to the drawing board with you - it's at the Beginner race that the Close Shave Challenge is being held.
That looked like a good race, though, so I'm going to try that and see if I can generate similar heart-pounding excitement for myself. Was that a stock Marcos you were using?

See what happens when reading 🤬 and being really tired does... . Ok, I will re-do that one!

As for the Marcos, no, it wasn't stock by any standard. I threw everything into it but the kitchen sink, and started playing around with some configurations, (as a full tune is over the 500pp limit) so that race was with a 484pp Marcos.

That Ackerman guy in the M4 was a huge threat on the straights, but can lose him in the twisties. Way fun, as it's surprising how well it handles even though it's an FF drivetrain.

Cheers

 

[MTM79]

Have been away from console for almost a week, so really no significant improvements to be seen. I did improve slightly the Zytek-race @photonrider , no threat to the current leaders though..

 

[nowayback]

Bit better time wise .

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

Ok @photonrider ... Now I think I've got the right race!

I had it set for 450pp, but after the race and back in the garage it says 448pp, but with 296.8 km's on it. So as a guess, it's past the oil change and power (and pp) are dropping. But at 448pp... 115hp, 141.5ft-lb torque, 559kg's, raced on comfort softs. Replay saved so I can giggle afterwards. EDIT: One thing I forgot to mention, default setups on all added parts for this race as well.

Cheers

 

[photonrider]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Not fair, PD.

 

[photonrider]

Have been away from console for almost a week, so really no significant improvements to be seen. I did improve slightly the Zytek-race @photonrider , no threat to the current leaders though..

The Zytec Affair. What a bizarre event. You guys were absolutely stunning that you would try that - in my case taking the Zytec out there would be getting lapped and run over. It was good to see such outstanding performances.
It's not always a win that can be thrilling - IRL, many a driver would be pleased to pull off at least a podium, or in some cases, even to move up a few positions. To take a car out that was the underdog in the race and then get into the middle of the pack is an achievement.
I kept asking myself - what if it was a longer race? Would you guys have stood a better chance of winning with the Zytec? I would think so, yes, quite a good chance.
All in all, it was a great exercise to watch - and well done, guys!
Picking a winner on that one is quite hard. It was more like an exhibition race.

And this time around it's Vic Reign93's turn to churn out a Special Event for holders of the Full Rabbit Hunters Licence. I would suggest no hurry - in fact not even a time frame; Choose any event online or offline and beef it up with a Challenge you Aces can get your vicious little teeth into.

Many award details to be sorted out - Patience and faith! It shall be done. I can't believe the amount of time some of this takes.

Ok @photonrider ... Now I think I've got the right race!

Cheers

My apologies for being so abstruse in the OP. Sometimes even I can't find my way around there.
However, I'm afraid that time is not good enough - you might bristle to know I had a closer shave, and by the skin of my teeth beat a hare by 12/1000ths of a sec. The Finish-line Fanatic Award is mine.
Fortunately for me the Time-Traveller was forbidden to enter.

However - you did pick up an award with the Tuscan - look in the OP. Congrats - you have a Rabbit Hunter Trophy under your belt! 👍
Yes, you can tell the gals now that you're The Brit Steed. Might even get lucky.

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I need volunteers for some tests:

Car: Gallardo LP 560-4 '08 - stock, detuned to 500PP
Event: Current Intermediate 4WD Seasonal at Apricot Hill

Run the event with all your usual settings but make sure SRF is off.
Record the time.
Rerun the event with all your usual settings but make sure SRF is on.
Record the time.

You may alternate between SRF off and on for a few races.
Note how the Gallardo behaves with SRF on - is it harder to control the car, or easier?
How close are the times (SRF VS Non-SRF) and what were the Rabbit reactions?
Note for instance whether the Rabbits display any different behaviour when SRF is on - (other than maybe being in a different spot on the track when you overtake since you may be faster.)

You may report via text or with graphics - the more information we have the better.

Questions we want to answer:
Is the Gallardo adversely affected by SRF?
(If so would this apply to other 4WDs?)
Do the AI react differently to SRF?
If so - how?

Here are my initial results:

Non SRF. The AI ran as usual - some blocking when the player entered their drivelines. Lead Rabbits took off drafting. The car was stable, quite planted, firm targeting of the apexes, very slight squeal when overloading the tires. Time: 8:02:898.

Next: SRF. The AI ran as usual. I felt they were blocking me more - but this was because I was having difficulty controlling the car and was not able to pass them at spots that were better for passing. The lead AI (plural) rabbitted off as usual, no faster than before. The wheel seemed a lot looser with SRF on, and the car would suddenly lose all grip. Major tire squeal. It took all my skill to hold the car together. Final time was just 1000ths of a sec off non-SRF - 8:02:485.

Redid the event, alternating the settings. The car felt decidedly more stable without SRF than with it.
Please let me know your own findings so we can compare this phenomenon. Don't forget to keep your eye on what the AI are doing and any differences in their behaviour, too.
They behaved very differently with another car I tested - but we'll get into that later.
With this round of tests at this race with this car, they behaved like they were scripted. Zombie-like, no real awareness. And no change either between SRF and Non-SRF.