GT6 News Discussion

[avens]

They are some of the very few "simracing experts" out there, as in players that have been on it since the beginning.

Problem is they only know about the player side of things in a niche, without having real life racing knowledge nor experience on it- not even in fast road going cars-, don't consider what they cover is 0.1% of the industry and aren't good as presenters. That means they blindly think everything that comes in iRacing is what's closest to reality, while the rest isn't worth trying out and doesn't exist for them, and the whole show is pretty badly made.

I know it sounds harsh, but they have slipped plenty of times in what I criticized, hard, especially Gangi on car knowledge. I used to watch them since it truly was the only show that existed, but nowadays it isn't needed anymore and they haven't improved the slightest bit, knowledge and coverage wise.

How does it apply to GT and their opinions on other games/sims? Well.....they are sponsored by iRacing and Nvidia. Also their basis of comparison is iRacing, not real life and not other games/sims, therefore they have no clue on both ends of the spectrum. The video posted is about someone's opinions on something that isn't his specialty and that is biased towards a competitor.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I love watching ISR, but I have to agree with you guys. I still think it's too early to make comments like this is just an expansion of GT5. And saying the physics are the same when PD has been promoting a new tire and suspension model so much, in addition to comments we heard here about how much GT6 physics are different from GT5, it's head scratching why they would say that. Only one more day before the demo is out, so we'll see for ourselves.

 

[Coiler]

Other thing that bothers me is the comment of R8 LMS, really you don't know what car is it ? Looks like it's time to quit ISR subscription...

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I have to say that I was rubbing my head once I've heard those guys say the physics felt the same. I don't know about you guys, but the suspension physics seemed different to me from the previous GTs at least. Oh, I can't wait to play with the demo.

 

[Samus]

Those two are clowns who only care about iRacing, the game they're paid to promote. I can't take them seriously reviewing a game whilst wearing iRacing t-shirts.

 

[Perotonia786]

Can GT6 NEW Physics actually match iRacing Physics?

Tomorrow Shall Answer.

 

[jules283]

I can't take them seriously reviewing a game whilst wearing iRacing t-shirts.

That says it all! Salute!
We should disregard all they say on GT6.

 

[Griffith500]

That says it all! Salute!
We should disregard all they say on GT6.

Actually, no. Give them a chance to play the final game and reflect on it properly. Darin's clearly misremembering what GT5 was like, or perhaps GT has it's own, distinctive overall "flavour" to allow a certain level of synaesthesia that's tricking him into having the same "experience" with the GT6 demo as he had with GT5. He does play a lot of games, and probably not a lot of GT.

Always welcome a critical eye, especially one with a totally different viewpoint (from your own) onto the thing you're interested in. I don't agree with their tastes, but I understand enough what their tastes are to know how to take their comments in a way that is still informative to me.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Well Force Feedback feels very similar to GT5, if not the same in GT6 demo I tried. Physics wise GT6 is just a bit more sophisticated so I'm not surprised Darin made them comments as differences are subtle especially with cars he was driving. Also given he had short time on game, I'm sure they will spot changes others including myself have noticed when they try the demo.

 

[jules283]

If the presenters are linked or affiliated with another game then it would cast doubt on their ability to deliver an impartial review.

 

[Griffith500]

If the presenters are linked or affiliated with another game then it would cast doubt on their ability to deliver an impartial review.

A review is, by definition, not impartial (a fact too many, including reviewers themselves, tend to forget). You are getting an impression of how the game fits the guys' expectations, tastes etc., nothing more.

That they are sponsored by iRacing shouldn't matter, because they are not direct competitors.

Plus anyone who's played iRacing and GT5 (or any other game mentioned) will have their own points of reference to launch from in the case of any comparisons made to GT6 in a review.

 

[Cosbuster]

If the presenters are linked or affiliated with another game then it would cast doubt on their ability to deliver an impartial review.

If we're talking about competitive products maybe, but iracing and GT5 are meant for completely different markets on different platforms. I've watched many of their reviews and the last thing they are is biased.

 

[jules283]

Ok. I can only agree to disagree.

 

[Griffith500]

Ok. I can only agree to disagree.

I don't agree, so you can't agree.

Their review will be a valuable datapoint for anyone who has watched enough of their stuff to get an idea of the kinds of things they like in race sims. The fact that you don't like / "know" them is irrelevant to those people who do "know" them.

I'm sure you will find some review useful that others cannot relate to. This is how reviews are meant to work; they are inherently targeted at people who are like the reviewer, ideally with plenty of transparent concessions to anyone who is not like the reviewer.

These guys make it obvious what their ideal sim is, that makes their review more valuable than that from someone who pretends their review is somehow "impartial"; as if they can somehow hold an impartial view on what constitutes the absolute ideal sim for every person!

 

[jules283]

My comment means this:-

I CHOOSE to disagree because my opinion is different to yours.

The " I can ONLY " means that I do not wish to discuss any further because I would find that to be a timewaster.

Your opinion is still valid . To you.

End of discussion.

 

[NABeast]

I think Darren is a little bitter because he didn't get "special" treatment. And then doesn't know what car he's driving? Ok.

 

[tinram]

I think Darren is a little bitter because he didn't get "special" treatment. And then doesn't know what car he's driving? Ok.

Exactly.

With comments like these ...
"playstation 3 which kinda Sucks"
"local kids running the booth"
"I'm upset ... we are reporters ... with forza 5 i could have had more time"

He seemed to already have negativity before commenting on the game itself.

 

[Tenacious D]

That they are sponsored by iRacing shouldn't matter, because they are not direct competitors.

Well, I do have to quibble a bit on that because among some "iRenting" fans, there is a degree of snobbery and condescension towards certain other racers. Sometimes it's blatant. And I have detected this flavor from the "dynamo duo" on occasion, and that corporate sponsorship thing does cast doubt. At the same time, they do have plenty of good things to say about a number of other games. Their fawning adoration of Forza does baffle me though.

And they have said things on occasion that are just wacky, like Darin's "what car is that?" thing. They are swell guys and all that, and I do like their reviews, but their tinker toy attitude towards Gran Turismo has always been a bit too overdone - and with a quick ditto to tinram's post above. Rather silly of them. And hey, critics aren't above judgment themselves.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

haha
I dont see anything wrong with the review.I mean its obvious he dont keep up with GT6 news ,he was just going based off what he played when he said gt5.2, and he didnt say it felt like gt5 he said it felt like Gran Turismo, which isnt a bad thing ( rather he was trying to make it sound bad or not).

 

[Tenacious D]

I should add quickly before I bail out of here to play that other game, that I did pile on a bit. Darin wasn't totally clueless about the Audi R8, even knowing what it was, but the way it came out was totally bad, like "It was an Audi R8 I guess, whatever, I don't keep up with all this real world racing gobbledygook." For a supposed authority on all (or most) things racing, it definitely makes him sound about as knowledgeable as... well, me.

It was a kind of sort of mostly positive review, and he is looking forward to the full game release - and did mention that friends were going to get a PS3 for GT5 as well as 6 when it releases, without any jabs, so kudos for that.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

They are acting like its the first time they've played GT. I guess they are so entrenched in PC sims and Forza that they have grown cold to GT?

I don't think so, they're pretty avid GT fans/loyalist.

 

[Foxiol]

Main Gran Turismo site was under maintenance and now is available again with new GT6 pictures and information about the game.

www.gran-turismo.com

Go check it out!

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Main Gran Turismo site was under maintenance and now is available again with new GT6 pictures and information about the game.

www.gran.turismo.com

Go check it out!

I had to google it, then go to my region's site. They have it optioned for mobile users 👍

 

[Foxiol]

I had to google it, then go to my region's site. They have it optioned for mobile users 👍

Not sure why but GTPlanet instead of letting me put this "-" between Gran Turismo, it put a "dot" (.).

So yeah, it sends you to google and then to the site. Weird.

 

[Dionisiy]

http://eu.gran-turismo.com/us/academy/2013/

 

[Scaff]

We have a thread for the demo, please use it.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=282327

 

[Griffith500]

To be clear, when I said review, I meant of the full game. What we saw was a preview.

People can discredit ISR all they want, that won't stop their review being useful to a lot of people - many of whom will have completely different tastes.

Transparency is the key; we know where these guys stand and that makes it easy to frame their opinions to compare with our own expectations.


Now to check these updates...

 

[VXR]

Nigh-on 40 minute reviews of racing games has to be good, even if you have reservations about the guys presenting it, surely? That length of content at least gives you a lot of insight into the game. I find ISR to be a great source of reviews, because they stick to their genre and you know you aren't getting some CoDBLOPs fan being forced to write or present a racing review.

 

[Sonygamer455]

I do wonder about hybriding in GT6. After what happened in GT5, ya'll think they will already have it set were no one can hybrid cars in GT6?

 

[Samus]

Main Gran Turismo site was under maintenance and now is available again with new GT6 pictures and information about the game.

www.gran-turismo.com

Go check it out!

Where? All I can see is stuff about GTA.