GT6 News Discussion

[Johnnypenso]

I agree but it won't be done. Can't miss xmas.

About wheels, in the past controllers had to be changed with every single console generation and also controllers get better as time goes by. If your G25 isn't compatible and want to play FM5 then it's a good opportunity for upgrading, selling the G25 and getting something miles better.

If "good opportunity for upgrading" means, "sorry, your equipment doesn't work anymore even though there's no valid technical reason for it and if you want to continue using the same type of equipment (wheel and pedals) you have to shell out hard earned $$$ to replace perfectly good but now for no good reason obsolete equipment"..then yeah...it's an opportunity to upgrade.

 

[avens]

Read the added second paragraph.

It's just the way the world works in most consumer goods, particularly in videogames. Complaining about that is complaining about the whole system, which is as absurd as refusing to sell stuff and to purchase what's better.

The alternative is staying with the 7 year old PS3 (no comparable games to GT/FM in the PS4), cellphones, CRT TVs and all goods that are meant to be replaced. No one does that and there will never be a definitive gaming wheel, the last cellphone you'll ever buy and whatnot.

Of course you can always keep consumer goods for memories sake instead of selling them, knowing they take up space and will lose their value.

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.simdriving.net/news/all-ps3-compatible-wheels-to-work-on-ps4

Read the added second paragraph.

It's just the way the world works in most consumer goods, particularly in videogames. Complaining about that is complaining about the whole system, which is as absurd as refusing to sell stuff and to purchase what's better.

The alternative is staying with the 7 year old PS3 (no comparable games to GT/FM in the PS4), cellphones, CRT TVs and all goods that are meant to be replaced. No one does that and there will never be a definitive gaming wheel, the last cellphone you'll ever buy and whatnot.

Of course you can always keep consumer goods for memories sake instead of selling them, knowing they take up space and will lose their value.

Really? Then how come [post=8884010]All PS3 wheels will work with PS4[/post]? There is no technical reason for the wheels to become obsolete. Old cell phones and tv's still work btw, they didn't stop working when the latest generation of equipment came out.

 

[Spagetti69]

About wheels, in the past controllers had to be changed with every single console generation (that's how business and the world works) and also controllers get better as time goes by. If your G25 isn't compatible and want to play FM5 then it's a good opportunity for upgrading, selling the G25 and getting something better.

It is not reasonable to ask SNES gamepad support, for business and quality reasons. The g25 is 6 years old, which is a lot for a gaming accessory and certainly won't be supported in the PS5 so you'll have to change it someday, just like cellphones and cars.

I agree asking for previous consoles controller to work is unreasonable.

However my Fabatec is not a single console controller (dedicated) it works on PC,PS3,Xbox and even My G27 works on PS2, probably my Fanatec would too.

Not the same argument. IMHO.

 

[Gejabo]

If "good opportunity for upgrading" means, "sorry, your equipment doesn't work anymore even though there's no valid technical reason for it and if you want to continue using the same type of equipment (wheel and pedals) you have to shell out hard earned $$$ to replace perfectly good but now for no good reason obsolete equipment"..then yeah...it's an opportunity to upgrade.

That is bascally what happens in my line of work. (selling land survey equipment)
"Look we have a new GNSS receiver, it is great and can preform miracles. However it will only work with this and this fieldbook, which by the way is €1000,- more expensive than the previouse one"

It's a miracle we are still in business

Anyway it is not uncommen

 

[avens]

Really? Then how come [post=8884010]All PS3 wheels will work with PS4[/post]? There is no technical reason for the wheels to become obsolete. Old cell phones and tv's still work btw, they didn't stop working when the latest generation of equipment came out.

Is your cellphone 6 years old? The G25 is.
Do you still use CRTs? They work and in some aspects are superior than LCDs.
Do you think you'll be using the same car as a daily driver in 2020? The 2020 one in 2030?

The G25 is already substantially surpassed by current wheels, outdated. Seems like upgrading doesn't make you buy a new wheel. That said, it will become obsolete when the new FFB technology is around (already in development) and feedback in more parts than the wheel becomes mainstream. That will be the case in 5 years, will you sell the G25 then?

Again, that's just how the world works. It is great the PS4 will support PS3 wheels, but that's an exception on this industry. For one console that has backwards compatibility for HW I can name you 10 that don't, even 20 for consoles that support controllers from two generations older like the PS4 does with PS2 wheels.

 

[Adam41]

It's one of the best wheels for its price. G27s were still selling as new 1/2 years a go. Now they're not compatible with the ONE. Seems fair.

 

[PaMu1337]

It's one of the best wheels for its price. G27s were still selling as new 1/2 years a go. Now they're not compatible with the ONE. Seems fair.

They have always been incompatible with xbox (as far as I know)

 

[paskowitz]

Is your cellphone 6 years old? The G25 is.
Do you still use CRTs? They work and in some aspects are superior than LCDs.
Do you think you'll be using the same car as a daily driver in 2020? The 2020 one in 2030?

The G25 is already substantially surpassed by current wheels, outdated. Seems like upgrading doesn't make you buy a new wheel. That said, it will become obsolete when the new FFB technology is around (already in development) and feedback in more parts than the wheel becomes mainstream. That will be the case in 5 years, will you sell the G25 then?

Again, that's just how the world works. It is great the PS4 will support PS3 wheels, but that's an exception on this industry. For one console that has backwards compatibility for HW I can name you 10 that don't, even 20 for consoles that support controllers from two generations older like the PS4 does with PS2 wheels.

When I plug my 10 year old USB stick into my brand new PC... yes... I expect it to work.

 

[Terronium-12]

1) So we don't have to suffer a large day one patch or having engine sound improvements released later.
2) It gives Polyphony more time to iron out all those bugs, glitches and exploits, giving us a near-perfect game on launch.

This is my opinion so don't rip me to shreds for speaking what I feel like saying.

1. You're assuming the sound improvements are going to make it into GT6 at all, and releasing the game later won't necessarily mitigate a day one patch. Remember GT5?

2. Remember GT5?

 

[sparkytooth]

1. You're assuming the sound improvements are going to make it into GT6 at all, and releasing the game later won't necessarily mitigate a day one patch. Remember GT5?

2. Remember GT5?

#Weallremember

 

[Johnnypenso]

Is your cellphone 6 years old? The G25 is.
Do you still use CRTs? They work and in some aspects are superior than LCDs.
Do you think you'll be using the same car as a daily driver in 2020? The 2020 one in 2030?

The G25 is already substantially surpassed by current wheels, outdated. Seems like upgrading doesn't make you buy a new wheel. That said, it will become obsolete when the new FFB technology is around (already in development) and feedback in more parts than the wheel becomes mainstream. That will be the case in 5 years, will you sell the G25 then?

Again, that's just how the world works. It is great the PS4 will support PS3 wheels, but that's an exception on this industry. For one console that has backwards compatibility for HW I can name you 10 that don't, even 20 for consoles that support controllers from two generations older like the PS4 does with PS2 wheels.

You are missing the point. I may not be using the same daily driver in 2020 but it won't cease to function or become undrivable. Many people still drive cars that are 50, 60 or more years old. And I did use the same Motorola flip phone for 7 years and would probably still be using it but we changed the way we do business and dispatch service calls and upgraded to accomodate that, by choice. The phone still works it didn't cease to function.

I got a brand new, off the shelf wheel 2 months ago? Are you telling me it's obsolete? It's bull. It's forced obsolescence on Microsoft's part for no good technical reason and if I were and XBox fan, it would turn me off XBox forever as soon as I found out Sony was supporting all current wheels.

And yes, if my G27 still works in a few years I might still be using it. Not everyone has to have the latest and greatest thing, nor do we find value in constantly upgrading.

 

[Alex p.]

I would agree...but I dont given PDs history. With GT5 we were all saying, "Oh, its ok that they delay it a reasonable time if they iron out all those bugs and give us a near-perfect game on launch", and what did we got? We got a buggy, exploitable, poorly planned game that was a waste of magnificent technical resources given its poor packaging. And they took more than four years for that 👎.

Exactly my thoughts/feelings. Cheers mate!

 

[Zuel]

I was reading over a post in the "Motor Sports" section and it got me thinking about the Eifel tracks. I wounder if we'll be able to produce city courses?

 

[Tornado]

That said, it will become obsolete when the new FFB technology is around (already in development) and feedback in more parts than the wheel becomes mainstream. That will be the case in 5 years, will you sell the G25 then?

In 5 years from now, when/if those things actually happen and the G25 can no longer function at the same level as newer wheels, sure. It'd be much more worth it to upgrade then. Assuming that feedback in pedals or whatever actually does ever become "mainstream" even within the small sect of gamers who buy steering wheels, of course.


That's also quite a different situation from what Microsoft has done (which is intentionally break compatibility with their previous proprietary standard for the old wheels that are only a couple years old to talk up functionality that already exists for the new wheels that fit their new proprietary standard they are selling), so it's completely irrelevant.

For one console that has backwards compatibility for HW I can name you 10 that don't, even 20 for consoles that support controllers from two generations older like the PS4 does with PS2 wheels.

I can name a whole lot more than 20 things that work with standardized PC hardware sending standardized signals (which almost all of the Logitech PS2 wheels were) with similar age gaps. I can directly plug in my circa-1997 computer monitor to the cicra-2013 laptop I bought three weeks ago, and it would work just as good as it did when I hooked it up to the awful Compaq computer we had in 1999. I know people who use IBM Model M keyboards so old that they require two adapters for them to be physically plugged in. I can run the digital audio output from my previous 2008 laptop to a 2004 Onkyo home theater system with an RCA cable from 1955, and I wouldn't have any problems.


So I'm struggling to grasp the natural obsolescence argument.

 

[Tenacious D]

Looks like quite a squall blew up overnight about this.

Well, one way or the other, we'll know soon. And to be honest, if the new FFB technology is better, more responsive and communicates better, many of us will want to upgrade anyhow. I will. I have been considering getting a new T500, but a few bad wheels and uninspiring technical support helped with me holding off for a bit.

Racing games on PS4, I can wait for. In particular, GT7 should be at least two years off. PC racers like Raceroom or Project CARS, I'm only mildly interested in. To be honest, GT5 and Forza 4 adequately cover my hunger for good physics, and their diversity slobbers all over every other racer in existence, especially PC sims. Plus, the only PC game I'm looking forward to is Battlefield 4, besides some cute adventure/RPG games like Dust and Valdis Story that recently caught my attention. For The ONE, I can wait until I can afford the $900-ish admission fee, and frankly till I want one. For PS4, I'll probably be holding off until GT7 anyway.

So the only equation I'm considering right now is

$60 - Gran Turismo 6 Anniversary Edition

Total before taxes: $60.

Works for me.

 

[tinram]

If DriveClub can support all PS3 compatible wheels on PS4, i do not see why GT can't do the same.

 

[TokoTurismo]

You are missing the point. I may not be using the same daily driver in 2020 but it won't cease to function or become undrivable. Many people still drive cars that are 50, 60 or more years old. And I did use the same Motorola flip phone for 7 years and would probably still be using it but we changed the way we do business and dispatch service calls and upgraded to accomodate that, by choice. The phone still works it didn't cease to function.

I got a brand new, off the shelf wheel 2 months ago? Are you telling me it's obsolete? It's bull. It's forced obsolescence on Microsoft's part for no good technical reason and if I were and XBox fan, it would turn me off XBox forever as soon as I found out Sony was supporting all current wheels.

And yes, if my G27 still works in a few years I might still be using it. Not everyone has to have the latest and greatest thing, nor do we find value in constantly upgrading.

Well said Johnnypenso. 👍👍

 

[machschnel]

I see no reason why the Xbox (or any console) can't support old and new wheels. Of course, driver patches may be necessary, but it's not like it's impossible. Don't they want as many customers as possible? I like Forza, but I hate using a controller. As I own a G27, I don't play Forza. The whole thing is one of the reasons I haven't touched my Xbox in close to a year (yes, it annoyed me that much).

It's almost like Microsoft has shares in Fanatec....

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It's almost like this is a thread for discussing GT6 news.

💡

Move the discussion involving another system and game to their respective sections. Thank you.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Today, SONY announced on the Playstation Facebook page, there will be 4 more titles that will be cross platform. This time, these are exclusives to PlayStation.

So, please explain to me why it's not possible for GT6 to be a dual release while Battlefield 4, Destiny, etc will be a dual release.

 

[Terronium-12]

So, please explain to me why it's not possible for GT6 to be a dual release while Battlefield 4, Destiny, etc will be a dual release.

Assume for a second that the reason it won't be cross platform hasn't already been disclosed, coupled with the fact Driveclub is acting as Sony's AAA showpiece racing title - you still wouldn't see GT6 this year anyway.

And that's assuming the PS3 release wouldn't be delayed to coincide with a platform-wide launch.

 

[Tornado]

So, please explain to me why it's not possible for GT6 to be a dual release while Battlefield 4, Destiny, etc will be a dual release.

You've already had it explained to you. Furthermore, a major first party game being codeveloped and released at the same time as a version for the next gen console is a completely different kettle of fish from a bunch of PSN games that originally came out anywhere from last year to 7 years ago being ported to the next gen system.

 

[mcfizzle]

Of course it's possible Dave, but they chose not too. Originally I wanted a PS4 release but I'm glad they are sticking with one platform rather than splintering the online community between two platforms.

But I also wouldn't compare 4 titles that came out months or years ago to GT6.

 

[avens]

Tornado and the rest: Consoles are not PCs. It's a different market altogether.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

You've already had it explained to you. Furthermore, a major first party game being codeveloped and released at the same time as a version for the next gen console is a completely different kettle of fish from a bunch of PSN games that originally came out anywhere from last year to 7 years ago being ported to the next gen system.

You're ignoring the major games that are yet to be released. The technical excuse concluded by forum junkies isn't gonna fly. None of us work for any top shelf developers.

These games are developed on PC's to begin with. So that's not why Tornado.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

None of us work for any top shelf developers.

So by that logic, what makes you so sure that GT6 could easily be a cross-platform title?

 

[TheDabbinDave]

So by that logic, what makes you so sure that GT6 could easily be a cross-platform title?

High level developers are doing it, not just considering it. Why is Gran Turismo not possible?

 

[Tornado]

You're ignoring the major games that are yet to be released. The technical excuse concluded by forum junkies isn't gonna fly. None of us work for any top shelf developers.

Oh. So what is the reason, Mr. Top Shelf developer? Certainly you can explain why the only example of what you're saying Sony should so easily do is a game Nintendo released for the Gamecube and Wii, which were two systems with almost identical hardware.

These games are developed on PC's to begin with. So that's not why Tornado.

GT6 isn't going to be developed for an x86 PC and then ported to the PS3 like Battlefield 4 is, no.

High level developers are doing it, not just considering it.

Who, and what games?

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Seriously Tornado??? I mentioned two. There are several others.