GT6 Official Car List Impressions/Thoughts

[snowgt]

My first thought when looking truogh the new added cars:

More NASCARs??
why? There are many series out there

That's a concession for the US market mainly. Europe gets GT3, US gets NASCAR, Japan gets GT500.

 

[Flying Scots]

...
You know what? I would be totally fine if GT6 included ZERO hyper cars and ZERO racecars, but instead gave us a really solid collection of low end and high end sportscars. At the moment nothing feels complete or on its way towards being complete, which leaves me very dissatisfied.

Enjoy your racing.

Me no, in the most absolute manner.
There is a hypothesis more plausible and reasonable to improve the game and satisfy "almost" all: Replace 40 or 50 of duplication of Skylines, Miata, S2000 etc. with some new models (as much as possible varied), and GT models of the past series (i think to Bugatti, Venturi, some GT500 car from the mid '90...).
In this way, you would still have a detailed choice for fanatics of the various brands, but at the same time a list of car less redundant and more logical.

That's a concession for the US market mainly. Europe gets GT3, US gets NASCAR, Japan gets GT500.

exactly ... more GT500

 

[Gejabo]

That's a concession for the US market mainly. Europe gets GT3, US gets NASCAR, Japan gets GT500.

I know, but there where allready so many in GT5.
And we get 5 or 6 GT3 cars (2 Audi's, 1 BMW, 2 Nismo's and 1 Mercedes with no Livery)

How about DTM, American LeMans, V8 Supercars or WTCC?
Personally I find those much more interesting

exactly ... more GT500

I'd love to see the '14 GT500 cars. The Honda and Lexus look great.

 

[Johnnypenso]

My first thought when looking truogh the new added cars:

More NASCARs??
why? There are many series out there

1. It's popular
2. Ovals are already modeled and in the game
3. The cars are relatively easy to model. Exterior surfaces are mostly smooth, interiors are mostly the same.
4. It's a tie in to the American market, something they need to build on.

 

[Gejabo]

1. It's popular
2. Ovals are already modeled and in the game
3. The cars are relatively easy to model. Exterior surfaces are mostly smooth, interiors are mostly the same.
4. It's a tie in to the American market, something they need to build on.

That maybe treu but:

1. So is DTM, V8 Supercars, WTCC
2. So are Siverstone, Nurburgring, Susuka an other tracks.
3. That is treu, but I geuss that goes for a lot of cars in a particular series
4. What about the Australian market? Or European market (alltough maybe less)

 

[Johnnypenso]

That maybe treu but:

1. So is DTM, V8 Supercars, WTCC
2. So are Siverstone, Nurburgring, Susuka an other tracks.
3. That is treu, but I geuss that goes for a lot of cars in a particular series
4. What about the Australian market? Or European market (alltough maybe less)

First let me say, I agree with you that other series should be included, Aussie V8's and TCC's in particular. But 3 is only really true of spec or near spec racing, like Formula Ford, Indy, Nascar etc.

The Australian market is small relative to the U.S. and the European market they already seem to have made great inroads into.

 

[snowgt]

I know, but there where allready so many in GT5.
And we get 5 or 6 GT3 cars (2 Audi's, 1 BMW, 2 Nismo's and 1 Mercedes with no Livery)

There's 2 ways of counting:

a) You could say there were 11 NASCAR's from '10, 11 from '11 and there will be 10 from '13. So, a total of 32.
You could also say there will be the following GT3 cars: Audi (5 - 3 new, 2 old), BMW (1), Nissan (3), Mercedes (1). You could also count the M3 E92 from '10 (as it was racing GT3 class at Nürburgring that year) or the Corvette Z06 Race Car or the Ford GT LM Test Car, which both are similar to GT3 cars, so depending on that you get either 10 or 13.

b) You could also say there's exactly 3 cars from each year in NASCAR for a grand total of 9.
Or there's just 4 GT3 cars.

It's all a matter of perspective.

 

[Gejabo]

DTM has only been BMW, Mercedes and Audi for the last couple of years.
That would need be a problem modeling one of each and than aply different liveries to them.

Touring cars might be a bit diverse, I'll give you that

 

[Crowood]

I know, but there where allready so many in GT5.
And we get 5 or 6 GT3 cars (2 Audi's, 1 BMW, 2 Nismo's and 1 Mercedes with no Livery)

How about DTM, American LeMans, V8 Supercars or WTCC?
Personally I find those much more interesting

ALMS cars are available in forza Motorsport 4, but the series is no more. A great DLC could be some cars from the new "Tudor united sportscar championship" which starts all new in 2014. 👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

You could also say there will be the following GT3 cars: Audi (5 - 3 new, 2 old), BMW (1), Nissan (3), Mercedes (1). You could also count the M3 E92 from '10 (as it was racing GT3 class at Nürburgring that year) or the Corvette Z06 Race Car or the Ford GT LM Test Car, which both are similar to GT3 cars, so depending on that you get either 10 or 13.

b) You could also say there's exactly 3 cars from each year in NASCAR for a grand total of 9.
Or there's just 4 GT3 cars.

It's all a matter of perspective.

A car may look like a GT3 for example, but unless it keeps up on the track at given HP/Weight or PP specs, looks don't matter.

 

[Scuderia Paul]

I am happpy with the car list as there are many fantastic additions. Yes there are plenty of omissions, some of which are disappointing, but this was always going to be the case. Considering what we have wished for here on GTP everybody was going to be left with some negativity. Hopefully DLC will bring us what we want.

How about DTM, American LeMans, V8 Supercars or WTCC? Personally I find those much more interesting

I'd love to see the '14 GT500 cars. The Honda and Lexus look great.

I reckon we will get the 2014 SuperGT cars as DLC. Also, it would be fantastic to get the 2013 DTM cars as they look great and we need more proper racing cars.

 

[Flying Scots]

There's 2 ways of counting:

a) You could say there were 11 NASCAR's from '10, 11 from '11 and there will be 10 from '13. So, a total of 32.
You could also say there will be the following GT3 cars: Audi (5 - 3 new, 2 old), BMW (1), Nissan (3), Mercedes (1). You could also count the M3 E92 from '10 (as it was racing GT3 class at Nürburgring that year) or the Corvette Z06 Race Car or the Ford GT LM Test Car, which both are similar to GT3 cars, so depending on that you get either 10 or 13.

b) You could also say there's exactly 3 cars from each year in NASCAR for a grand total of 9.
Or there's just 4 GT3 cars.

It's all a matter of perspective.

In both way's i see a big imbalance (and european market isn't less importatn that the USA market)

DTM has only been BMW, Mercedes and Audi for the last couple of years.
That would need be a problem modeling one of each and than aply different liveries to them.

Touring cars might be a bit diverse, I'll give you that

But it would also wait to see DTM cars newer than seen so far (the youngest i think he has more than 10 years )
155 Ok, Calibra ok, A4 ok, but now we want to see something more updated for this popular german series

 

[snowgt]

A car may look like a GT3 for example, but unless it keeps up on the track at given HP/Weight or PP specs, looks don't matter.

I wouldn't get my hopes up that with a fixed HP, Weight or PP value (or a combination of these) that is applied to all GT3 cars, the cars will actually be equal. From what I've seen, PP calculation seems to have stayed largely the same (i.e. algorithmic), so a good BoP in GT6 will have to have individual values for each car again.

 

[forzaturismo]

I know, but there where allready so many in GT5.
And we get 5 or 6 GT3 cars (2 Audi's, 1 BMW, 2 Nismo's and 1 Mercedes with no Livery)

How about DTM, American LeMans, V8 Supercars or WTCC?
Personally I find those much more interesting


I'd love to see the '14 GT500 cars. The Honda and Lexus look great.

Maybe PD ll put these cars on further DLC .........

 

[Gejabo]

But it would also wait to see DTM cars newer than seen so far (the youngest i think he has more than 10 years )
155 Ok, Calibra ok, A4 ok, but now we want to see something more updated for this popular german series

The Alfa and calibra both ran in 1996 The A4 maybe newer but not much after 2000 (1998 or 1999 is my geuss)

Anyway all of this does not mean I dislike the list, but I could have liked it even more

 

[forzaturismo]

The Alfa and calibra both ran in 1996 The A4 maybe newer but not much after 2000 (1998 or 1999 is my geuss)

Anyway all of this does not mean I dislike the list, but I could have liked it even more

Old cars are good; but maybe people need fresh new cars...

 

[STJ88]

I know, but there where allready so many in GT5.
And we get 5 or 6 GT3 cars (2 Audi's, 1 BMW, 2 Nismo's and 1 Mercedes with no Livery)

How about DTM, American LeMans, V8 Supercars or WTCC?
Personally I find those much more interesting


I'd love to see the '14 GT500 cars. The Honda and Lexus look great.

Rather have PD adds some new GT300 cars because does new GT500 are totally neutered compared to previous years. The new DTM rule's really killed them, there even LHD now!!!!

We need the GT300, CRZ and Prius.

 

[eran0004]

Actually... NO. There are much fewer German-Trio models, than everyone would like to have.

There are "only" ~60 road/street versions of Audi, BMW and MB combined in recently published GT6 list (Out of 1200 cars). Thats not 'nearly as many as from Asia'. Far from it.

For example there are about 80 versions of Skyline (taking all generations). And that is only one model line from one manufacturer.

First: Everyone does not want the same thing as you.
Second: Europe is more than Germany.
Third: I never said 'nearly as many as from Asia', so don't put quotation marks around that. I said 'as many as from Asia', because that's what the premium European road cars are in GT5 if you count them and compare to the premium Asian road cars.
Fourth: The amount of Skylines is simply irrelevant, especially since we're talking about premium cars, as most of them are standards.

 

[ICEMAN_ZIDANE]

Of course it's trademarked. You can't use a real car model/name in your game if you don't license it, and aqquire rights to use the trademark. That's how it Works. It has nothing what so ever with anything being exclusive.

http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/project-cars-welcomes-mclaren-automotive/

Literally proof that the P1 is not exclusive to Forza. Not that proof seems to affect you...




That is more definately not true. While PD is top class when it comes to car modelling, Turn 10 and Slightly Mad Studios have achieved car models that are every bit as realistic as the ones in the GT franchise.

Sry but its not. I have tested it many Times. In GT they look exactly like the real ones. In Forza for example its not. They look different. Not only interior, exterior too ! Iam a Mercedes Fan , the SLS in Forza Looks "Tuned" . They cant even make a good exterior, forget about interior.

Iam not Talking about "it Looks Good or Bad". Iam Talking about if it Looks like the real one or not.

 

[RadishTM]

Was hoping for the R34 Z-Tune to be included

 

[huskeR32]

GT1 wasn't massively revolutionary in physics or gameplay. It was revolutionary in bringing the common man's cars to video games. I don't think going away from that is a particularly good idea. I certainly think that if PD want to distinguish their car list that including everyday cars is a better way to do it than including rovers and schwimmwagens.

This. My first GT experience was GT3. At the time, I drove a 1994 Camaro Z28, and could drive my exact car (well, in game it was a '97, but no real difference there) in GT3. That blew me away, and I was hooked from then on. All of the other games I had been playing (mostly NFS and Test Drive stuff) immediately became rubbish in my eyes. Yes, I soon also came to love GT over NFS types because of the higher level of realism, but if it wasn't for being able to drive my own car, I'm not sure I would have become nearly as big of a fan like I did.

Fast forward to the GT6 car list, and I've only got two gripes:

First, my current car isn't in the game (Mk 5 VW R32). They have the Mk 4 R32 (mostly the same mechanically, but entirely different styling), and the Mk 6 Golf R (no longer a VR6, turbo 4-cyl instead). So for me, the biggest thing to love about GT games is missing - I can't race my own car. It's pretty annoying to see numerous variations of the same generation of the Mazdas, Nissans, etc., when cars with fairly significant fan bases and/or historical importance (R32, GTI, Mustang, M3, etc.) don't even get one car per generation.

Second, and this one I feel is a much more legitimate complaint to have - the lack of Porsches (I know, welcome to the club, right?). There's just too much history in that brand, too many significant cars, that I won't ever be quite satisfied with GT until they get Porsches in there.

Overall though, I'm very happy with the GT6 list. There are a lot of new cars on that list that I can't wait to drive. The lack of my own car in the game is disappointing for me personally, but not a huge detraction from the game overall. The lack of Porsche is a pretty significant hole in the lineup, but in the face of all the great cars that are included, it's hard to be too unhappy.

 

[JohnBM01]

One of the things that I always focus in on is what cars do you need to provide the sort of experience you want to provide? This is a key part of racing games that try to feature as much a variety of vehicles as part of its experience. Whether or not you think any game's list of vehicles is good or not depends on what you think the game is trying to provide and what it eventually includes. I say "vehicles" instead of "cars" because some games feature cars, trucks, motorcycles, planes, boats, etc.

Among cars and car companies in GT4, for example, I was disappointed not to see the Scion tC. That complaint was nothing compared to everyone else who wanted Ferrari and such in GT4 as Forza Motorsport 1 was coming out. However, those folks who wanted the 1990 Fiat Panda got what they wanted, didn't they? We kind of made the case for Bentley to be in GT4 after I mentioned Bentley's history at Le Mans. Me saying that Bentley won Le Mans five times in the first ten years of the 24 Hours of Le Mans shown up in Bentley's description in GT5. I keep bringing this up just to say that we do have a voice in cars we want to see in Gran Turismo games. Stop saying PD doesn't listen to its fans... at least in terms of cars.

I don't really know what GT6's lineup represents, if anything. I like diversity in Gran Turismo titles. A lot of the lightweight machines really interest me- such as the KTM machines and the Light Car Company Rocket. With all the space influence, it's fitting (and weird) we get that 1971 Lunar Rover. I guess GT6 is mostly a mix of almost everything. Well... almost everything except a few more trucks and SUVs.

 

[Strittan]

Regardless of my personal opinion, GT was built as being a racing game that included a reasonable proportion of "everyday" cars. That was what originally differentiated it from Need for Speed and friends, who tended to focus on supercars and legitimately famous stuff.

This obviously depended somewhat on where you lived, but in the early days of GT if you lived in a marketplace dominated by Japanese cars then you had a really good chance of being able to drive your car. You could take your own car, tune it up and race it. That was a new experience for most people.

This was true up to and including GT4. With GT5 and GT6 they seem to have abandoned this and gone to the NfS model of race cars, hyper cars and classics. Stuff that's famous and amazing, but you're not going to see it on the street on a daily basis. Maybe that's what people want. There's certainly evidence to suggest that.

I'm merely complaining about removing what made GT such a breath of fresh air in the first place. GT1 wasn't massively revolutionary in physics or gameplay. It was revolutionary in bringing the common man's cars to video games. I don't think going away from that is a particularly good idea. I certainly think that if PD want to distinguish their car list that including everyday cars is a better way to do it than including rovers and schwimmwagens.

To be honest, I don't even like modern cars that much. I've never bought a car less than 20 years old, and I'm unlikely to ever buy a new car in real life. But I do think that new cars are important for a game like Gran Turismo, because without them it's not a game like Gran Turismo any more. It's something else.

I'm sorry, but I thought you were pissed because we "only" got 45 cars from the last 4 years, which I don't think is a small amount at all. You never said it was the lack of everyday cars you were pissed about, until now. I don't think there is a lack of everyday cars either though. There has been super cars and everyday cars in every GT, and there are still plenty of both kinds.

In GT6, there are 25 cars new to the series that have been made in the past four years. That's ever so slightly more than 2% of the total list.

If they remove the standard cars (they're not called that anymore, but you know what I mean hopefully) that percentage will increase quite a bit. 👍

 

[Foxiol]

For comparison I just checked the official car list from Forza 5 (I posted it in other thread as well, I´m not spamming this is the last time):

Abarth 500 esseesse (2010 )
Acura Integra Type-R (2001 )
Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione (2007 )
Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA Stradale (1965 )
AMC Javelin-AMX (1971 )
Ariel Atom 500 V8* (2013 )
Aston Martin #007 Aston Martin Racing DBR9 (2006 )
Aston Martin DB5 (1964 )
Aston Martin DBS (2008 )
Aston Martin One-77 (2010 )
Aston Martin Vanquish (2012 )
Audi #1 Audi Sport Team Joest R18 e-tron quattro (2012 )
Audi R8 5.2 Coupé FSI quattro (2010 )
Audi R8 Coupé 5.2 FSI quattro (2010 )
Audi R8 Coupé V10 plus 5.2 FSI quattro* (2013 )
Audi RS 3 Sportback (2011 )
Audi RS 4 (2006 )
Audi RS 5 Coupé (2011 )
Audi RS 7* (2013 )
Audi S4 (2013 )
Audi Sport Quattro (1983 )
Audi TT RS Coupé (2010 )
BMW #92 Rahal Letterman Racing M3 GT2 (2009 )
BMW 1 Series M Coupe* (2011 )
BMW 2002 Turbo (1973 )
BMW M1 (1981 )
BMW M3 (1991 )
BMW M3 (1997 )
BMW M3 (2005 )
BMW M3 (2008 )
BMW M5 (2003 )
BMW M5 (2012 )
BMW X5 M (2011 )
BMW Z4 sDrive35is (2011 )
Bugatti Veyron Super Sport (2011 )
Buick Regal GNX (1987 )
Cadillac CTS-V Coupe (2011 )
Chevrolet #1 Andretti Autosport Dallara DW12 (2013 )
Chevrolet #12 Team Penske Dallara DW12 (2013 )
Chevrolet #4 Corvette Racing ZR1 (2011 )
Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary SS (2002 )
Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z (1990 )
Chevrolet Camaro SS Coupe (1969 )
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (1970 )
Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (2012 )
Chevrolet Chevelle SS-454 (1970 )
Chevrolet Corvette (1960 )
Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 427 (1967 )
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (2002 )
Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (1970 )
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (2009 )
Chevrolet El Camino SS 454 (1970 )
Chevrolet Nova SS 396 (1969 )
Chrysler 300 SRT8 (2012 )
Citroen DS3 Racing (2011 )
Dallara #28 Andretti Autosport DW12 (2012 )
Dallara #9 Target Ganassi Dallara DW12 (2013 )
Dodge Challenger SRT8 392 (2012 )
Dodge Charger SRT8 (2012 )
Dodge SRT4 ACR (2005 )
Dodge Viper GTS ACR (1999 )
Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR (2008 )
Eagle Talon TSi Turbo (1998 )
Ferrari #1 Scuderia 312T2 (1976 )
Ferrari #12 Risi Competizione F333 SP (1998 )
Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F458 Italia (2011 )
Ferrari 250 GTO (1962 )
Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa (1957 )
Ferrari 430 Scuderia (2007 )
Ferrari 458 Italia (2010 )
Ferrari 512 TR (1991 )
Ferrari 599 GTO (2011 )
Ferrari California (2008 )
Ferrari Challenge Stradale (2003 )
Ferrari Enzo Ferrari (2002 )
Ferrari F12berlinetta (2012 )
Ferrari F355 Berlinetta (1994 )
Ferrari F40 (1987 )
Ferrari F50 (1995 )
Ferrari GTO (1984 )
Ford #5 Ford Performance Racing FG Falcon (2011 )
Ford Escort RS Cosworth (1992 )
Ford F-150 SVT Raptor (2011 )
Ford Fiesta ST* (2014 )
Ford Focus RS (2009 )
Ford Focus ST (2013 )
Ford Ford GT (2005 )
Ford GT40 MkII (1966 )
Ford Mustang Cobra R (1995 )
Ford RS200 Evolution (1985 )
Ford Shelby GT500 (2007 )
Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 (2013 )
Ford SVT Cobra R (1993 )
Ford SVT Cobra R (2000 )
GMC Syclone (1991 )
Hennessey Venom (2012 )
Holden #1 Toll Holden Racing Team Commodore VE (2011 )
Holden HSV GTS (2011 )
Honda #15 Rahal Letterman Lanigan Dallara DW12 (2013 )
Honda #9 Target Chip Ganassi Dallara DW12 (2013 )
Honda Civic Type R (1997 )
Honda Civic Type-R (2004 )
Honda Civic Type-R (2007 )
Honda NSX-R (1992 )
Honda NSX-R (2005 )
Honda S2000 CR* (2009 )
Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track (2013 )
Hyundai Veloster Turbo (2012 )
Infiniti IPL G Coupe (2011 )
Jaguar E-type S1 (1961 )
Jaguar XKR-S (2012 )
Jeep Cherokee SRT8 (2009 )
Kia Cee'd (2011 )
Koenigsegg Agera (2011 )
Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4* (2012 )
Lamborghini Countach LP5000 QV (1988 )
Lamborghini Diablo SV (1997 )
Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera (2011 )
Lamborghini Miura P400 (1967 )
Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SV (2010 )
Lancia 037 Stradale (1982 )
Lancia Delta S4* (1986 )
Land Rover Range Rover Supercharged (2012 )
Lexus IS F (2009 )
Lexus LFA (2010 )
Lotus 2-Eleven (2009 )
Lotus Elan Sprint (1971 )
Lotus Exige S (2012 )
Maserati Gran Turismo S (2010 )
Mazda #55 787B (1991 )
Mazda Mazdaspeed 3 (2010 )
Mazda MX-5 Miata (1994 )
Mazda MX-5 Miata* (2013 )
Mazda RX-7 (1997 )
Mazda RX-8 R3 (2011 )
McLaren #11 Team McLaren M23 (1976 )
McLaren F1 (1993 )
McLaren MP4-12C (2011 )
McLaren P1™ (2013 )
Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II (1990 )
Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing Coupe (1954 )
Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series (2012 )
Mercedes-Benz G65 AMG (2013 )
Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG (2012 )
Mercedes-Benz SLR (2005 )
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG (2011 )
Mercury Cougar Eliminator (1970 )
Mini Cooper John Cooper Works* (2009 )
MINI Cooper S (1965 )
Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX (1995 )
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR (1999 )
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR (2004 )
Nissan 240SX SE (1994 )
Nissan Datsun 510 (1970 )
Nissan Fairlady Z (2003 )
Nissan GT-R Black Edition (2012 )
Nissan Silvia Spec-R (2000 )
Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R (1971 )
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (1993 )
Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (1997 )
Nissan370Z (2010 )
Oldsmobile Hurst/Olds 442 (1968 )
Pagani Huayra (2012 )
Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster (2009 )
Peugeot #9 Peugeot Sport Total 908 (2009 )
Peugeot 308 GTI (2011 )
Plymouth Cuda 426 Hemi (1971 )
Pontiac Firebird Trans Am (1969 )
Pontiac Firebird Trans Am (1977 )
Pontiac Firebird Trans Am SD-455 (1973 )
Pontiac GTO Judge (1969 )
Renault Megane RS 250 (2010 )
Renault Sport Clio V6 (2003 )
RUF CTR Yellowbird (1987 )
RUF CTR2 (1995 )
RUF Rt 12 S (2011 )
Saleen S7 (2004 )
Scion tC (2012 )
Shelby Cobra 427 S/C (1965 )
Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe (1965 )
Subaru BRZ (2013 )
Subaru Impreza 22B STi (1998 )
Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2004 )
Subaru Impreza WRX STI (2005 )
Subaru WRX STI (2011 )
Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205 (1994 )
Toyota Celica SS-I (2003 )
Toyota GT86 (2013 )
Toyota MR2 GT (1995 )
Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT Apex (1985 )
Toyota Supra RZ (1998 )
TVR Sagaris (2005 )
Vauxhall Astra VXR (2012 )
Viper #91 SRT Motorsport GTS-R (2013 )
Viper GTS (2013 )
Volkswagen Beetle (1963 )
Volkswagen Corrado VR6 (1995 )
Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v Mk2 (1992 )
Volkswagen Golf R (2010 )
Volkswagen Golf R32 (2003 )
Volkswagen Rabbit GTI (1984 )
Volkswagen Scirocco R (2011 )


60 more will be included by 6 DLC´s (one per month and one at day one with LaFerrari).

With that said I won´t get XBONE or Forza 5 but as I said in the other thread the car list is brilliant but there are some cars missing. Yet the list is great because you don´t have cars repeated even if they have little/minor differences. If you take a look at this list you probably want to drive them all for real...in GT6 you´ll have more cars to choose but even more cars to dismiss.
I don´t mind if PD get rid of variations of each car that are in the very same year (those who look almost exactly the same) and give us a more compact and varied list as this one. Even if still we find cars that we probably won´t even race once.

Just my point of view.

 

[AnPrionsaBeag]

Ok...

 

[Earth]

These are likely the 10 cars I'll use most in GT6, primarily online

BMW M3 GT (BMW Motorsport)
Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
Chevrolet Corvette C4
Ford GT
Jaguar XJ220
KTM X-BOW R
Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary
McLaren F1 GTR – BMW (Kokusai Kaihatsu UK Racing)
Pegueot 908
Saleen S7

The 'F' word car list has 7/10 of them, 'premium' models too, so I'd be happy with it. Not to mention it has cars that would bump others from my GT6 top 10

 

[Conquerer]

According to forzas official car list and their site, the P1 is currently trademarked....note the only TM next to the cars on the list.
Also, so far according to every project cars car list I've found the P1 is not included currently, looks to be the f1 and mp4 gt3. The last sentence was useful to my question. I was looking to see if I had missed any new info recently. According to you....no

Wow, you really have no idea what trademark means, do you?

 

[Dionisiy]

23

Bugatti Veyron 16.4 '13

This is 2013 model?

 

[Flying Scots]

...
60 more will be included by 6 DLC´s (one per month and one at day one with LaFerrari).

With that said I won´t get XBONE or Forza 5 but as I said in the other thread the car list is brilliant but there are some cars missing. Yet the list is great because you don´t have cars repeated even if they have little/minor differences. If you take a look at this list you probably want to drive them all for real...in GT6 you´ll have more cars to choose but even more cars to dismiss.
I don´t mind if PD get rid of variations of each car that are in the very same year (those who look almost exactly the same) and give us a more compact and varied list as this one. Even if still we find cars that we probably won´t even race once.

Just my point of view.

What!!??? Is confirmed?

 

[Conquerer]

What!!??? Is confirmed?

For Forza 5, yes. Not GT6.