GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Gomario JSP]

I never understood the whole reverse track thing, it's like brushing your teeth and whiping your a*s with the wrong hand
I'm 100% sure i will not take part in this Daily

 

[CQR Deuce]

Had enough time for one race this morning on Race C. Had a lonely drive in 2nd in the WRX.

Did give the Z4 a go. It absolutely rails through the first right as you start the climb but I struggled with it the rest of the way up the hill.

Still B/S rating and had a quick look at my stats. 30 total races and 14 wins. I though I had done more races than that but either way a long way to go to A rating.

 

[Roggers]

So….. Bathurst….
Tried again today and first race was just crazy. Apart from the top 3 everyone was crashing into each other. Up in the hills people are trying to overtake on every corner and it doesn’t work!

Anyway I spent some time in quali mode trying the rentals 😀 and a few were ok and some were bad! But I tried the Z4 on the back of someone on here suggesting it (who ever that was thanks!) and I loved it. Good car, nice handling and felt quick. Set my fastest lap of a 2.08. Will be trying a few others so this may come down but I will be not using meta so I’m not expecting a top time anyway.

Race 2 started P2 and made an error on lap 1. Lucky it only cost me a few seconds but dropped to P3. After it was fairly straight forward until lap 7. Caught up with 1st & 2nd and I could see P2 was fighting at every corner and it was just a matter of time before they took themselves out. Lap 8 crash. P2 into P1 as expected both go out and I sailed past to take the win 😂.
Have to say after this race and the quali times combined with the Z4 I quite like Bathurst, but if you in the pack it’s a nightmare race.

Also… what is it with people flashing lights? Driver in P4 right from the start was flashing the light all the way up the hill, and then through the twists. By the end of lap 1 I was already 5 seconds ahead so not sure what they was trying to achieve with it?

If anyone has any pointers in where I could gain some more lap time from that would be great. I felt like I was wrestling the car round the full lap. Race trim I was doing 2.09s/10s and I wasnt wrestling the car.

 

[NevilleNobody]

YOu guys discussing driver rating, just a reminder that not all wins are equal. If your SR is low and you are being paired with driver's at or below your current DR as a result, it will be hard for you to climb no matter how often you win.

 

[sturk0167]

Some good racing on Mount Panorama yesterday.

WRX won, first Beetle all the way down to 10th. Love B/S rooms, so civil, leaving room, making sensible moves.

Lag is always a problem though, and combined with a crap penalty system, this stuff happens

How hard is it for the server to figure out it was lag. Why does the game not realize the brake input hasn't been received yet / telemetry is running late and makes my forward predicted car hit him on his console.

Sure retaliation is bad, but the game does everything to stimulate it by its terrible handling of lag and wrong assignment of penalties. If I had a bad day and got treated to a punt like that with a penalty on top, I would probably have done the same

I messaged him (he left straight way) to tell him I shared the replay so he can see what lag does. Also told him I don't blame him for his reaction, it's understandable. I wanted to get his version of the replay to compare but since he left straight away he wouldn't have saved it. Anyway, it's obvious from the way his car responded that he got hit by mine.

That was pretty terrible. It's surprising that it still occurs.

 

[NevilleNobody]

So….. Bathurst….

Anyway I spent some time in quali mode trying the rentals 😀 and a few were ok and some were bad! But I tried the Z4 on the back of someone on here suggesting it (who ever that was thanks!) and I loved it. Good car, nice handling and felt quick. Set my fastest lap of a 2.08. Will be trying a few others so this may come down but I will be not using meta so I’m not expecting a top time anyway.

If anyone has any pointers in where I could gain some more lap time from that would be great. I felt like I was wrestling the car round the full lap. Race trim I was doing 2.09s/10s and I wasnt wrestling the car.

That was me re. the Z4. OK here is what I see, my best is a 2.03.5;

• Turn off TC, in GT7 it EATS YOU ALIVE. I say it is costing you near 3 seconds a lap. I toggle it on after turn 2 to use through the cutting then turn it off before the second right hander
• You are generally VERY conservative, need to aggressive at bathurst, especially the down hill portion, you are braking a lot, get off them brakes
• You are braking into the second right hander, this is a mild flash lift at most, great drivers take it foot flat to the floor.
• You are taking narrow lines too often, use all the track but be mindful of kerbs with no TC
• If you insist on TC1, absolutely LAY ON THE THROTTLE, you are using TC1 but feathering, foot to the floor if TC is on
• Your sector 1 is not bad, maybe only a few tenths to gain there
• Mcphillany (the last of the super fast left handers) you need to be apexing at least around 200kmh, that's a minimum target, ideally 210kmh. You apexed at 192.
• Carry more speed through the cutting (double left handers after turn 2), this has two effects, a) you carry more speed! and b) because you are going faster you get less wheelspin on exit. This is, arguably, the trickiest corner in the game.
• Forrests elbow, give up some speed through the awkward right so you can apex early and high for the left hander, you should be TIGHT up against the inside wall for a blind exit and just have faith she will stick.
• Generally, you are very tentative, ratchet it up a notch, especially coming down the mountain. WHat's interesting is that you are only losing 7 or 8 tenths to me in the first and last sector but some 4 to 5 seconds "across the top" which is australian vernacular for Turn 2 through forrest's elbow.

Here is a good reference point, 650HP, little to no downforce, no TC and the most laughable racing tyres you've ever seen.



This is the best part of 20 years later, little more power, little more downforce, WAY better suspension but still ridiculously bad tyres.

 

[bone_tone]

Also… what is it with people flashing lights?

Another one of those controller users with the headlight switch allocated to the left stick - the flashing is particularly common at Bathurst this week for some reason. I had the guy in front, and the one behind, doing it yesterday - very offputting!

Also, I see that the permanent blue light thing on the start finish straight has carried over from GTS (although it was the blue flag waving on GTS). Plus, there seems to be green flag waving permanently somewhere around the track, although it appears to be in a different place each race - anybody else seen it, or is it just me?

 

[NikNakTobasco]

if we removed the WRX and beetle do you think we’d have a good mix of close choices from gr3 or would another car from the next tier just dominate as well? I really think removing the category and just giving us 4 or 5 close cars to choose from would give us more variety. There must be something they can do here.

 

[NevilleNobody]

if we removed the WRX and beetle do you think we’d have a good mix of close choices from gr3 or would another car from the next tier just dominate as well? I really think removing the category and just giving us 4 or 5 close cars to choose from would give us more variety. There must be something they can do here.

I see the physics as an issue. No surprise but cars with a stable rear end are dominating because you can push them harder. You need power too so if you have power and a stable car it will beat anything "fun". The MClaren and the 911 need a power bump to get them in the mix, their rear end is stable.

 

[Roggers]

That was me re. the Z4. OK here is what I see, my best is a 2.03.5;

• Turn off TC, in GT7 it EATS YOU ALIVE. I say it is costing you near 3 seconds a lap. I toggle it on after turn 2 to use through the cutting then turn it off before the second right hander
• You are generally VERY conservative, need to aggressive at bathurst, especially the down hill portion, you are braking a lot, get off them brakes
• You are braking into the second right hander, this is a mild flash lift at most, great drivers take it foot flat to the floor.
• You are taking narrow lines too often, use all the track but be mindful of kerbs with no TC
• If you insist on TC1, absolutely LAY ON THE THROTTLE, you are using TC1 but feathering, foot to the floor if TC is on
• Your sector 1 is not bad, maybe only a few tenths to gain there
• Mcphillany (the last of the super fast left handers) you need to be apexing at least around 200kmh, that's a minimum target, ideally 210kmh. You apexed at 192.
• Carry more speed through the cutting (double left handers after turn 2), this has two effects, a) you carry more speed! and b) because you are going faster you get less wheelspin on exit. This is, arguably, the trickiest corner in the game.
• Forrests elbow, give up some speed through the awkward right so you can apex early and high for the left hander, you should be TIGHT up against the inside wall for a blind exit and just have faith she will stick.
• Generally, you are very tentative, ratchet it up a notch, especially coming down the mountain. WHat's interesting is that you are only losing 7 or 8 tenths to me in the first and last sector but some 4 to 5 seconds "across the top" which is australian vernacular for Turn 2 through forrest's elbow.

Here is a good reference point, 650HP, little to no downforce, no TC and the most laughable racing tyres you've ever seen.

Thanks for the tips!
Ive knocked off 1 second already but that was in AMG. AMG is my go to car, but at Bathurst it is tail happy. Going to go again in the Z4 which felt alot more stable in that sector 2.

Yeah looking back now I know what you mean by my lines. I’ve not raced much at Bathurst as I just don’t like the track, but now I’ve practiced a little I’m kinda getting to like it. After that video during the race I found where I can use the track more and gain time. I’ll let you know my time soon.
As for TC, I’m fairly new to sim racing with a wheel and all my other racing games I couldn’t be bothered to turn some stuff off as I was using controller. Yeah I’m at TC1 as I’ve only recently taken “the training wheels off”. Been racing now for over a month on TC1 so hopefully will get it too TC0 soon.
Yeah the sector 2 just kills for me.

Cheers 👍🏻

if we removed the WRX and beetle do you think we’d have a good mix of close choices from gr3 or would another car from the next tier just dominate as well? I really think removing the category and just giving us 4 or 5 close cars to choose from would give us more variety. There must be something they can do here.

I know what you mean. I found today that I really the Hyundai Gr4 at Deep Forest. Was very competitive against the GTRs and WRX.
As for Bathurst Im liking the Z4.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Thanks for the tips!
Ive knocked off 1 second already but that was in AMG. AMG is my go to car, but at Bathurst it is tail happy. Going to go again in the Z4 which felt alot more stable in that sector 2.

Yeah looking back now I know what you mean by my lines. I’ve not raced much at Bathurst as I just don’t like the track, but now I’ve practiced a little I’m kinda getting to like it. After that video during the race I found where I can use the track more and gain time. I’ll let you know my time soon.
As for TC, I’m fairly new to sim racing with a wheel and all my other racing games I couldn’t be bothered to turn some stuff off as I was using controller. Yeah I’m at TC1 as I’ve only recently taken “the training wheels off”. Been racing now for over a month on TC1 so hopefully will get it too TC0 soon.
Yeah the sector 2 just kills for me.

Cheers 👍🏻

No worries. I am a fan of the Merc, I find it one of the LEAST tail happy cars. I can't do tail happy as i use the X button so gas is a light switch on or off. It's down on power is it's issue. But yeah the Z4 is more stable for sure.

At Bathurst, TC1 is mind bendingly heavy handed out of turn 2, forrests elbow and exiting the chase, i mean it just murders your straight line speed. My biggest issue with GT7 is the heavy handed TC1 setting, what TC2 through 5 is for is absolutely beyond me.

In GTS, using TC1 or 2 was a slower but safer and allowed me to be more aggressive, if slower than the high A drivers which i think is fair. In GT7, it's just bonkers slow.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I don’t get what they’ve done to TC. When the game first came out it was way less intrusive than it was in Sport and TC1 was viable, in fact it didn’t activate at all unless it really needed to, as it should. Now it’s like a sledge hammer.

 

[TechnoIsLove]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do I upload a video (mp4) from my phone here? I get an error when I try.. Want to share an infuriating clip of how broken the online penalty system is...

 

[Nebuc72]

I don’t get what they’ve done to TC. When the game first came out it was way less intrusive than it was in Sport and TC1 was viable, in fact it didn’t activate at all unless it really needed to, as it should. Now it’s like a sledge hammer.

I find this too. I was actually advising people to use TC in some cars if they needed to because the impact wasn't as bad as it was in Sport, and some cars drove even drove better with it.

Now it's just the complete opposite, even TC1 basically destroys any hope of you being competitive.

 

[NevilleNobody]

It has 2 issues. a) it works for way too long, o the initial power cut is fine but once engaged it takes way too long to turn off, b) it cuts in where it is not needed. Exiting the Senna S in Interlagos, why on earth is TC engaged until you straighten the wheel?

 

[Roggers]

No worries. I am a fan of the Merc, I find it one of the LEAST tail happy cars. I can't do tail happy as i use the X button so gas is a light switch on or off. It's down on power is it's issue. But yeah the Z4 is more stable for sure.

At Bathurst, TC1 is mind bendingly heavy handed out of turn 2, forrests elbow and exiting the chase, i mean it just murders your straight line speed. My biggest issue with GT7 is the heavy handed TC1 setting, what TC2 through 5 is for is absolutely beyond me.

In GTS, using TC1 or 2 was a slower but safer and allowed me to be more aggressive, if slower than the high A drivers which i think is fair. In GT7, it's just bonkers slow.

Hit my time wall for today. Managed to do a 2.05.108 on lap 7 after that I did another 7/8 laps and i only matched it once. The other laps I was making errors. I reckon I can get it to a 2.04.5. Was half a second up at times I S1 then S2 I’d lose it again by clipping a wall or grass.

I don’t find the AMG tail happy at other tracks just this one up I’m the hills.

Ill try TC0 tomorrow for a few laps. Just need to learn the control in not spinning.

 

[NevilleNobody]

That's a big gain though, 2 full seconds. Once into the 4's finding time gets harder.

 

[Famine]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do I upload a video (mp4) from my phone here? I get an error when I try.. Want to share an infuriating clip of how broken the online penalty system is...

You don't. You'll need to upload it to a video sharing site like YouTube.

 

[Talon16]

I don’t get what they’ve done to TC. When the game first came out it was way less intrusive than it was in Sport and TC1 was viable, in fact it didn’t activate at all unless it really needed to, as it should. Now it’s like a sledge hammer.

I find this too. I was actually advising people to use TC in some cars if they needed to because the impact wasn't as bad as it was in Sport, and some cars drove even drove better with it.

Now it's just the complete opposite, even TC1 basically destroys any hope of you being competitive.

Agree with both of you. I used to, and sometimes still do, use TC1 with some cars/tracks/turns. It's extremely overbearing now, since 1.13. It just destroys acceleration, especially on longer turns. TC1 feels like what TC4 should be.

Occasionally I will still use it... like on Kyoto last week in the Aston I'd flip it to 1 on that super tight right after the downhill; as soon as I straighten the wheel I'd turn it off before the left. One time I had to flip back to the radar as I was side-by-side. I was unable to turn it off and when we went thru the esses, I lost .500 as I could see the TC kicking in big time when it didn't need to. Crazy how much it killed the throttle.

 

[NevilleNobody]

LOL another mid lap flipper! At Bathurst, i use it to get out of the cutting (double left hander early in the lap) BUT there is a little rise in the road as you swing right and you MUST turn it off before you hit that or it engages and completely BUTCHERS your speed right through until skyline.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Spent about 40 minutes trying to get the beetle round Bathurst. Losing all my time coming down the hill. Keep locking up, no idea the best way to attack that section. Probably should try another car but I’m so far off the pace I’d be a liability in a race so was just satisfying my own curiosity really. I enjoyed the circuit experience in the mclaren, nice and smooth but the beetle just feels kind of jerky.

 

[Roggers]

Another one of those controller users with the headlight switch allocated to the left stick - the flashing is particularly common at Bathurst this week for some reason. I had the guy in front, and the one behind, doing it yesterday - very offputting!

Also, I see that the permanent blue light thing on the start finish straight has carried over from GTS (although it was the blue flag waving on GTS). Plus, there seems to be green flag waving permanently somewhere around the track, although it appears to be in a different place each race - anybody else seen it, or is it just me?

Have to admit when I use a controller I forget it’s set to L3 and I have flashed my lights by mistake. I keep meaning to changing but I mainly use wheel so when I do remember I’m mid race by this point.


Can’t say I’ve seen that blue light or flag? Is it not for the pit lane exit for car joining the track?
As for flags would anyone else like to see more flags included?

• Black & white - track limits. Maybe instead of 0.500 timed penalty for going wide at a corner you get 2 black & whites flags and the 3rd you then get the penalty of 1 or 2 seconds?
• Black & white - dangerous driving. Im sure the game could work out when drivers are been dangerous, say more than 5 collision penalties you get a black & white and then 2 more collision penalties gives you a black flag?
• Double Yellow - could double yellows work? Yellow flags do nothing in the game. Ive had were I’ve slowed down to not overtake the car infront yet the car behind doesn’t and then slams in to my rear.
• Yellow & Orange - slippery surface is shown for 5 seconds when the track starts to get wet or if a small section is wet?

 

[dkstz]

The flag thing happened to me. There was a guy weaving green flag every lap, at the end of the downhill section... Weird.

Just out of curiosity about TC, are you guys on the last or using a wheel? I'm on pad, and without TC1 it's pretty hard to nail an entire lap with Gr. 3 cars.

Thanks!

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I did some more racing at Bathurst today.

First race I got matched with B/S to D/S crowd and managed to secure a victory from 13th place with 2:04.3 fastest lap. Next race I get in with the A+/S to B/S crowd, get down to 2:03.4 but finish 27 seconds behind the Beetle parade lol.

After a couple more races I moved up to DR.A, very annoying. That just means that I'm always matched with A+/S with half a minute behind first the only thing to look forward to. (Besides some quality racing of course). Those Beetles and WRXs in the hands of A+ drivers are simply too fast to keep up with.

The other problem with DR.A is, penalties. Second race in DR.A a B/S driver turns in on me, we both stay on, but of course 3 sec for me. Same thing, same driver, 1.5 laps later after I caught up with him again. 3 sec for forcing another car off road (did not, we both stayed on again). So sick of that nonsense, so I made sure the next two penalties were correct I don't mind dirty driving that much, I do mind getting penalties for getting hit. One more penalty in that race from a car swerving in the braking zone, defend the inside or take the optimal line, you can't do both. Throwing your car in front of me under braking, what am I supposed to do...

Anyway 5 penalties is just enough to drop to SR.A, quite different from GT Sport. So now I'm A/A, guess I'll need to get more penalties to get rid of the A DR...

 

[Pigems]

Spent about 40 minutes trying to get the beetle round Bathurst. Losing all my time coming down the hill. Keep locking up, no idea the best way to attack that section. Probably should try another car but I’m so far off the pace I’d be a liability in a race so was just satisfying my own curiosity really. I enjoyed the circuit experience in the mclaren, nice and smooth but the beetle just feels kind of jerky.

The downhill section is really weird. You really don’t have to brake hard anywhere, if you do the back just comes around. It’s more of a gradual deceleration, from skyline onward, slowly clicking down the gears until the next left, then it’s the same with the sharp left before the back straight. It’s like you only brake easily, and slowly downshift, it’s really hard to get right, but it can be taken way faster than most people think.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

The downhill section is really weird. You really don’t have to brake hard anywhere, if you do the back just comes around. It’s more of a gradual deceleration, from skyline onward, slowly clicking down the gears until the next left, then it’s the same with the sharp left before the back straight. It’s like you only brake easily, and slowly downshift, it’s really hard to get right, but it can be taken way faster than most people think.

Yeah I think I can gain a second there tbh. I’ve never hit it right; locked up at least once every time. I’m currently at 2.03.3; which I’m not mad at after 45 minutes of a track I’ve little experience with but it is about 1-1.5 seconds off the times on my friends list I’d normally be aiming for. I think I can do it but not sure I want to put the time in I’d need to as I can only imagine the carnage starting bottom
Third would be!

 

[Pigems]

Yeah I think I can gain a second there tbh. I’ve never hit it right; locked up at least once every time. I’m currently at 2.03.3; which I’m not mad at after 45 minutes of a track I’ve little experience with but it is about 1-1.5 seconds off the times on my friends list I’d normally be aiming for. I think I can do it but not sure I want to put the time in I’d need to as I can only imagine the carnage starting bottom
Third would be!

I’m the same way with this track, i can rarely ever hit the same place on my friends list as I can on other combos. I think I’m somewhere around the same time as you right now, maybe a little higher, I’m gonna put some more work into it tonight. One thing I can say is, much like the Nord, it’s worth learning this track and being good at it. It comes up a lot, and you can get some really good racing done here when you get a good lobby/grid to race with. It’s definitely worth the effort. 👍

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I’m the same way with this track, i can rarely ever hit the same place on my friends list as I can on other combos. I think I’m somewhere around the same time as you right now, maybe a little higher, I’m gonna put some more work into it tonight. One thing I can say is, much like the Nord, it’s worth learning this track and being good at it. It comes up a lot, and you can get some really good racing done here when you get a good lobby/grid to race with. It’s definitely worth the effort. 👍

That’s exactly why I wanted to try and set a time even though I didn’t expect to race. I’d like to learn some innate competency here so I can jump in should the opportunity arise. My only previous time with the track is the circuit experience and I loved the challenge. But I feel like I need a time to chase down so I kind of have to use the beetle so I know it’s an achievable time from my friends list as they all used it. Unfortunately it’s just not a pleasant drive.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Then give the Z4 a run. I am the opposite, always positioned higher at bafurst than anywhere but RBR.

Whenever you want to touch the brake coming down the mountain, 10 push ups.

 

[CQR Deuce]

The downhill section is really weird. You really don’t have to brake hard anywhere, if you do the back just comes around. It’s more of a gradual deceleration, from skyline onward, slowly clicking down the gears until the next left, then it’s the same with the sharp left before the back straight. It’s like you only brake easily, and slowly downshift, it’s really hard to get right, but it can be taken way faster than most people think.

Yeah I think I can gain a second there tbh. I’ve never hit it right; locked up at least once every time. I’m currently at 2.03.3; which I’m not mad at after 45 minutes of a track I’ve little experience with but it is about 1-1.5 seconds off the times on my friends list I’d normally be aiming for. I think I can do it but not sure I want to put the time in I’d need to as I can only imagine the carnage starting bottom
Third would be!

Definitely agree with @Pigems. You can go so much quicker into the downhill section than you realize. Aggressive but patient. I was in that low 2:03 range to until I watched Auras replay and he doesn't let of off the gas until just after the sign at the top of the hill. 😳😳 I was braking a good car length in front of the sign before that.

Still nowhere near Auras time but it was worth half a second for me.