GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[NevilleNobody]

I think you mean the esses into the dipper? It’s about car balance more than speed. I lightly touch the brakes under the bridge, then again between apexes to keep the weight balanced. If you’re too hard on either the throttle or brake through there you lose a lot of time.

I don’t do a very good job through the dipper on that lap. If the car is balanced you can actually get on the throttle earlier and it will help settle the car as it exits the turn.

The rotation comes from a combination of trail braking and using the camber of the track. Bathurst has several places where the camber will help you a lot, but you need to be precise in your car placement to make the most of it.

TLDR; less heavy braking will help you turn better. Use the slope of the track.

This is all true and is where the time is gained on this track. Even amongst A drivers i am fast through there, but I lose it all in the cutting as guys seem capable of carrying huge amount of speed through the cutting that I just cannot compete with.

Back to the run don into the dipper from mcphillamy, I know when i REALLY get it right, not sure how I do it LOL but I can feel when i get it right as i barely touch the brake or throttle and she just glides through there plus i have her pointed in the right direction to aggressively exit the dipper, or drive through it actually.

It's very, very tricky though.

I am really struggling on exit at the chase, with TC1 i get murdered, TC0 I just do not have the confidence to get on it the way other folks do around me. It starts on entry, I am reluctant to get too far to the right for fear of spinning, so i enter too shallow and this compromises my exit line so i get wheel spin on exit, lost 3 to 4 tenths to peers. I must be a hard guy to race in A lobbies. Super slow through cutting, slow through chase but fast coming down the mountain from Skyline through to a great exit at forrest's elbow.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

The mentality of the elite players in this game is really a pity. I was watching a streamer earlier and one of the last to first crowd was in his race and dived someone which resulted in petty retaliation. He went into chat and said it wasn’t a dirty move because he ‘hit his normal braking point’. As if the fact there’s a car in front of him is completely incidental and taking the racing line regardless is an absolute entitlement.

 

[Roggers]

@NevilleNobody @D_Dragline

Hit my 2.04.6 target on Bathurst. Thanks for your tips.
In the esses I tried that lift and coast and method and picked up nearly a second of lap time there. I reckon I can go faster but string a lap together is impossible. I can gain 0.500 in sector one and then secter 2 I can lose. Next lap I’m equal to fast sector 1 and sector 2 I gain 0.500 but lose it on the last corner or the last corner before you head down the hill on that long straight.
Won another race today at Bathurst. Quite like the track now I’ve learnt it. Pole, lead every lap, fast lap so got the grand slam

Need to learn some TC0 now

 

[CQR Deuce]

I usually warm up for a good 20 to 30 min before hopping into a race. This morning I thought it'd be a good idea not to do that.

Well it wasn't a good idea. Lol So hopped into race C and started the first race from 3rd I was all over the place, tense with a death grip on the wheel and on lap 2 I completely missed my brake marker in to the chase and went for a ride in the kitty litter. Got back on the track in 8th sandwiched between 7th and 9th. Going into the esses 7th broke well before I expected so I punted him then got sent to the moon from the guy behind me and came out with a well deserved 4 sec penalty. I wasn't mindful of the skill gap there so completely my fault. Somehow I managed to recover and finish 4th.
Finished 2nd in a much less eventful race 2.

So next time I'll warm up first. 😆

 

[sixty4half]

The mentality of the elite players in this game is really a pity. I was watching a streamer earlier and one of the last to first crowd was in his race and dived someone which resulted in petty retaliation. He went into chat and said it wasn’t a dirty move because he ‘hit his normal braking point’. As if the fact there’s a car in front of him is completely incidental and taking the racing line regardless is an absolute entitlement.

Would love a link. There are always 2 ways to look at an issue.

Like, having a .3 gap doesnt make you immune to The Dive. If they take a wide entry and brake early they just expect everyone to respect their race line. Well if my race line is late braking and diving in, why dont they respect my race line? Why do they get to say "I wasnt expecting you to be there" as if being in front at the 100 meter mark is some sort of protection from mistakes being capitalized on?

Idk if any of those points are relevant to your post, but that particular attitude is a problem as well. Both can be an issue when meet in race.

But yes, some people will use any excuse that takes away personal responsibility and those people are insufferable in pre and post race lobby

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Would love a link. There are always 2 ways to look at an issue.

Like, having a .3 gap doesnt make you immune to The Dive. If they take a wide entry and brake early they just expect everyone to respect their race line. Well if my race line is late braking and diving in, why dont they respect my race line? Why do they get to say "I wasnt expecting you to be there" as if being in front at the 100 meter mark is some sort of protection from mistakes being capitalized on?

Idk if any of those points are relevant to your post, but that particular attitude is a problem as well. Both can be an issue when meet in race.

But yes, some people will use any excuse that takes away personal responsibility and those people are insufferable in pre and post race lobby

It was live chat during a stream so there’s no way to retroactively see it. I completely understand what you’re saying, but completely avoidable contact was made. These guys are so quick i think they should try and be a little more understanding of the skill gap with others. The fact they know making contact is no big deal doesn’t really deter these sorts of moves. I hope contact damage is added at some point.

 

[sixty4half]

It was live chat during a stream so there’s no way to retroactively see it. I completely understand what you’re saying, but completely avoidable contact was made. These guys are so quick i think they should try and be a little more understanding of the skill gap with others. The fact they know making contact is no big deal doesn’t really deter these sorts of moves. I hope contact damage is added at some point.

Oh, I think I see what you're saying now, I misunderstood at first. One of the guys who runs top splits but dont qualify was steaming. He was the one that dove in and caused contact? Then the other guy joined his stream to "discuss" the incident and said streamer staunchly defended his actions? And if that's the case, I'm sure his army of dedicated followers was there to pile on in stream. Let me guess, clown emoji's were involved.

I might have the roles reversed, but either way...
It is sad to see well known players act that way. Those are the guys that a lot of us look up to

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Oh, I think I see what you're saying now, I misunderstood at first. One of the guys who runs top splits but dont qualify was steaming. He was the one that dove in and caused contact? Then the other guy joined his stream to "discuss" the incident and said streamer staunchly defended his actions? And if that's the case, I'm sure his army of dedicated followers was there to pile on in stream. Let me guess, clown emoji's were involved.

I might have the roles reversed, but either way...
It is sad to see well known players act that way. Those are the guys that a lot of us look up to

You’ve got the scenario right but the specifics I was vague on as didn’t want to name anyone. But yes, non qualifier very quick person dived someone and that someone retaliated. But it wasn’t the streamer. They just happened to be in the vicinity so saw it and then it was discussed post race in the chat. The streamer in question was the clean one, not the one you’re thinking of 😆

 

[PirovacBoy]

The mentality of the elite players in this game is really a pity. I was watching a streamer earlier and one of the last to first crowd was in his race and dived someone which resulted in petty retaliation. He went into chat and said it wasn’t a dirty move because he ‘hit his normal braking point’. As if the fact there’s a car in front of him is completely incidental and taking the racing line regardless is an absolute entitlement.

Some Elite Players‘ Mindset is just overbearing.
They don’t actually care about us slower Folk. They know they are faster and that gives them the Right to behave the way they do. At least from their Point of View.
You know, in the past I quite often raced against some fast Players and the Problem is they mostly can’t handle a loss or getting beaten by a “lower Letter“ Driver.
To them it’s incomprehensible and therefore doesn’t fit in their small entitled World.
They want to get past as soon as possible when they know they are, or should be faster than you.
They might be just 0.1 sec faster in Qualifying than you, but to them it makes them the “Faster, Better“ Driver hence they don’t respect you.
They live in their own Elitist World.
We are just Room Fillers 😅
But this Phenomenon is not just spread amongst the Elite Drivers.
It can be seen across all different DR Stages.
Me personally, I don’t give a …. whether I race against an E or C or whatever Letter Driver.
This whole DR Rating System in Sport Mode is Poison imo.
The greediness this System provides is the true Problem.
Grinding or Farming DR, I mean what the hell.
People take it too serious.
Especially those Last to First Heroes are my Favorites.
I mean IF you are let’s say 5 Seconds for example faster than the others around you it shouldn’t really be an issue to achieve that Mission.
But sorry, for these One Man Missions we have Single Player.
This Behavior is just arrogance and Discouraging for the People you race with. Very overbearing imo.

These guys are so quick i think they should try and be a little more understanding of the skill gap with others. The fact they know making contact is no big deal doesn’t really deter these sorts of moves. I hope contact damage is added at some point.

Again, being fast doesn’t equal Race Craft and especially Fairness on the Track.
They only respect their kind.
As much as I’d sometimes like to play Sport Mode, I just simply can’t be bothered anymore. That’s sadly the truth, at least for me.
I mainly enjoy Lobby Racing with some very few similar minded Players.
If I can’t trust you, I won’t race you, simple as that.
And introducing Damage won’t change the Game.
We had that in GTS.
It didn’t last for long though as the outcry of the Elites made PD ditch that idea.
I strongly believe that if PD ditches the whole DR Point System, we will see less carnage.
No incentive for bragging or ruthless driving.
They should introduce a System which encourages and rewards us for Clean and fair Racing not for winning at any cost.
That whole Mentality is beyond me.
Is it really that important to Win?!
What about Respect and Fairness?!
Ah well, maybe I’m just different but I can live with that.

 

[Roggers]

The mentality of the elite players in this game is really a pity. I was watching a streamer earlier and one of the last to first crowd was in his race and dived someone which resulted in petty retaliation. He went into chat and said it wasn’t a dirty move because he ‘hit his normal braking point’. As if the fact there’s a car in front of him is completely incidental and taking the racing line regardless is an absolute entitlement.

No no no no. That annoys me does that. ”If“ he is an elite player like they claim they should know better and drive to whats infront of them. If they everyone followed his rule of that my braking point, cars would be flying off the track at every corner.

Anyone know how credits are dished out? I won at Bathurst on my Singapore account is a C/S race, and I got clean race too so I won 57xxx credits. Just raced on my uk account and finished 4th in a B/S race got clean race again and I won 49xxx credits. Is they a set fee for all?

Also what is with people trying to overtake up in the hills. Just watch someome try and over me which resulted in them getting a 5 second and the very next lap they tried the same move on someone else and got a 5 second again.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

No no no no. That annoys me does that. ”If“ he is an elite player like they claim they should know better and drive to whats infront of them. If they everyone followed his rule of that my braking point, cars would be flying off the track at every corner.

Anyone know how credits are dished out? I won at Bathurst on my Singapore account is a C/S race, and I got clean race too so I won 57xxx credits. Just raced on my uk account and finished 4th in a B/S race got clean race again and I won 49xxx credits. Is they a set fee for all?

Also what is with people trying to overtake up in the hills. Just watch someome try and over me which resulted in them getting a 5 second and the very next lap they tried the same move on someone else and got a 5 second again.

Interesting, I thought it was a flat rate but am stuck in the top splits mostly. The two races I've won at race C were both 59K without CRB. They were in B/S rooms. Once I get in the top split there's no chance of a victory. Closest I got today was 17 seconds from a Beetle in an A/S room. (A+ wasn't awake yet lol)

The CRB is very elusive at Bathurst, for me at least. None today, must have touched the wall here and there.

 

[NevilleNobody]

@NevilleNobody @D_Dragline

Hit my 2.04.6 target on Bathurst. Thanks for your tips.
In the esses I tried that lift and coast and method and picked up nearly a second of lap time there. I reckon I can go faster but string a lap together is impossible. I can gain 0.500 in sector one and then secter 2 I can lose. Next lap I’m equal to fast sector 1 and sector 2 I gain 0.500 but lose it on the last corner or the last corner before you head down the hill on that long straight.
Won another race today at Bathurst. Quite like the track now I’ve learnt it. Pole, lead every lap, fast lap so got the grand slam

Need to learn some TC0 now

This is awesome, you cut a full 3 seconds ff your time man, that's another universe. You're nudging DR-A pace in the 4's in qualifying. You rnext task is to watch a few Bathurst 1000km races on youtube so you know the corner names

Would love a link. There are always 2 ways to look at an issue.

Like, having a .3 gap doesnt make you immune to The Dive. If they take a wide entry and brake early they just expect everyone to respect their race line. Well if my race line is late braking and diving in, why dont they respect my race line? Why do they get to say "I wasnt expecting you to be there" as if being in front at the 100 meter mark is some sort of protection from mistakes being capitalized on?

We go our separate ways here. It is the lead driver's responsibility to pick a line (defend or stay on the racing line) well before the braking point and it is the attacking driver's responsibility to understand where the lead driver's strength and weaknesses are and attempt a suitable pass. 0.3 is right on the cusp, I get that, personally take the inside at that point even though i am a believer that you should have some semblance of overlap before making a pass. You cannot ask the lead driver to take defensive lines from too far back, that is my issue with the "pro-dive" crowd, once I am taking defensive lines I am vulnerable to you on exit so it's a bit much to ask me to take that line from too far back. How far is too far i guess is the question.

There are two issues here, one on how far back is too far and one on the lead driver's right to brake where he usually does. I am very slow through the cutting at bathurst, touched on that above, i enter ok but just cannot carry the speed i need to mid corner and often get a tap in the rear on exit as i surprise other A drivers with my lack of pace. That's their issue though, for not assessing the situation first, especially if it is just he and I am no third car up his rear end. Conversely, I am super fast down into skyline, i don't tap the brakes until after the bridge, i know this though and if pressuring someone i give a liittle room there as it is likely I am faster by a margin. Instead i focus on exit from the dipper to get a clean line into forests elbow and go for the pass into the chase.

Truth be told we are veering away from NN's topic which was UBER fast alien types bullying their way past slower drivers and complaining they brake too early, they can be 2 to 3 seconds a lap slower, you need to anticipate they will brake earlier.

Fundamentally, lead driver needs to pick a line, no swerving and brake where he usually does if on racing line or a touch early if defending the inside (to make the apex). Chasing driver needs to find a way past without hitting a well bahaved lead driver.

 

[Roggers]

Interesting, I thought it was a flat rate but am stuck in the top splits mostly. The two races I've won at race C were both 59K without CRB. They were in B/S rooms. Once I get in the top split there's no chance of a victory. Closest I got today was 17 seconds from a Beetle in an A/S room. (A+ wasn't awake yet lol)

The CRB is very elusive at Bathurst, for me at least. None today, must have touched the wall here and there.

Maybe it was 59k? I’ll have to check next time I win 🤣🤣
Its a bit of a poor pay out for a win especially on a 25 min race.

 

[bone_tone]

All those people that have been complaining about the Beetle being too fast in Race C, are they now going to make the same complaint about the WRX now it's in the top three places on the leaderboard?

Will that mean that the Beetle is now acceptable?

I've no particular axe to grind, as I've been using the Jaguar!

 

[TechnoIsLove]

Devastated .. Was 2nd and all over leading car. I notice his connection goes red (I'm the white GTR) and he went from to my right to what you're seeing here?!?!!!

Hit him as I was surprised by his sudden change of position and attempted flight (who knew cars can do front-end wheelies) and got a 4 second penalty but still finished 2nd with just 0.5 second gap to him. Would have been a nice win 😢🫤

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Thanks all for the advice for improving my time at bathurst. I was indeed losing over half a second down the hill. Braking way too hard as you all suspected. Needed to be a bit more gradual. I also tidied up my launch out of the tight left up the hill (is that forests elbow?). I managed a 2.01.9, and that was a pretty messy lap evidenced by the fact that on the next lap I was half a second up but predictably managed to bin it down the hill.
Unfortunately the game froze twice during qualifying, it did the same in race recently as well.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I also tidied up my launch out of the tight left up the hill (is that forests elbow?).

You hethens are killing me. That's the Cutting 'cos it's cut into rock.

 

[Roggers]

This is awesome, you cut a full 3 seconds ff your time man, that's another universe. You're nudging DR-A pace in the 4's in qualifying. You rnext task is to watch a few Bathurst 1000km races on youtube so you know the corner names

Cheers. I knew I could get there but it’s just a track I’ve never liked and I don’t really pick if I was to a custom race, or on other racing games. Need to cement a DRB slot first. Keep switching between B & C.

All those people that have been complaining about the Beetle being too fast in Race C, are they now going to make the same complaint about the WRX now it's in the top three places on the leaderboard?

Will that mean that the Beetle is now acceptable?

I've no particular axe to grind, as I've been using the Jaguar!

I’ll be honest i don’t the Beetle is that fast. Ive not tried the beetle yet on this weeks race, but when I’ve been testing it in previous weeks in I just cant it anywhere near my AMG times. I think the problem we have is people are looking at the top 10 times before they even done a lap of the track and as they see Beetle at the top they probably are automatically using the car.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Beetle is fast if you can control the back end. Try toggling TC off for turns 1 and the exit from forests elbow. Should net you half a second.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

You hethens are killing me. That's the Cutting 'cos it's cut into rock.

😬

 

[Sven Jurgens]

You hethens are killing me. That's the Cutting 'cos it's cut into rock.

Nah, it's the chin

Maybe it was 59k? I’ll have to check next time I win 🤣🤣
Its a bit of a poor pay out for a win especially on a 25 min race.

Indeed, I did pretty good today, 5 races, earned about 150K.
2.5 hours of Tokyo equates to 8,250K

My races today, Beetle and WRX alternating for the win (Americas daily C on ps4 pro)

Beetles are red, WRXs are purple, I'm yellow.

I can (barely) pass the Beetle wannabees. That thing has OP acceleration, can't draft pass it and after out braking, it can usually out accelerate you again out the corner. They do tend to crash a lot...

I improved my FL to 2:03.5 in the Lexus. Not good enough. But I'll settle for 'winning' the non Beetle/WRX class in these multi-class races Still don't see any reason to qualify, can't keep up with the A+ front anyway and already getting as far as I would get without qualifying. Still more fun to actually have some racing instead of just watching the gaps grow.

The closest I got to a Beetle winner was 14 seconds, but that was because A+ wasn't awake yet. With A+ in the room they need to start a fight at the front for me to even get under 30 sec behind at the finish!

Simply not enough people to make close races, ps4/ps5 split isn't helping.

 

[Devdude]

This was a "B" driver in C lobby, he said i hit him 1st even though i received no penalty but regardless,didnt deserve this as i had already gotten bombed when i was in 7th earlier, im not great driver yet & still learning how to handle wheel i just got, maybe thats why his sr was B as well, still though, he got mad because this "C" driver past him, now if im in the wrong in this video,please tell me as im always trying to learn how to drive better

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I havet a theory about TCS. When they made the update they accidentally changed the TCS to an early version......

 

[Devdude]

Cheers. I knew I could get there but it’s just a track I’ve never liked and I don’t really pick if I was to a custom race, or on other racing games. Need to cement a DRB slot first. Keep switching between B & C.

I’ll be honest i don’t the Beetle is that fast. Ive not tried the beetle yet on this weeks race, but when I’ve been testing it in previous weeks in I just cant it anywhere near my AMG times. I think the problem we have is people are looking at the top 10 times before they even done a lap of the track and as they see Beetle at the top they probably are automatically using the car.

I have been using Volkswagon since beginning of manufacturers series on gt7 and i will not use my beetle in that race because i dont like meta drivers, bet i wont see any of them driving it with me in manufacturers series, most cant handle the car and wreck but thrn again i like to use different non meta cars in races because that how i learn to drive better and a top 5 finish is even more sweeter when you are not in a meta car just to win

 

[SrHims]

This was a "B" driver in C lobby, he said i hit him 1st even though i received no penalty but regardless,didnt deserve this as i had already gotten bombed when i was in 7th earlier, im not great driver yet & still learning how to handle wheel i just got, maybe thats why his sr was B as well, still though, he got mad because this "C" driver past him, now if im in the wrong in this video,please tell me as im always trying to learn how to drive better

I think your move is incorrect. It was pretty aggressive, kinda a dive bomb but the touch was "light" and he didn't spun (can be the reason for no penalty). Regardless, his reaction is nuts and childish, ruining your race and his own. My two cents.

PD: I'm also learning wheel for the first time and I make the same mistakes, even worse sometimes. Don't worry about just one race. Learn from it and move on mate

 

[Redneckchef]

The mentality of the elite players in this game is really a pity. I was watching a streamer earlier and one of the last to first crowd was in his race and dived someone which resulted in petty retaliation. He went into chat and said it wasn’t a dirty move because he ‘hit his normal braking point’. As if the fact there’s a car in front of him is completely incidental and taking the racing line regardless is an absolute entitlement.

Sadly I think we all know exactly which streamer this was as this is a constant refrain and common occurrence with them. Very fast person with very little racecraft who blames the majority of incidents on the other person not being aware of them. All while they refuse to use radar. Speed is not racecraft and you have to be aware of how your opponents are driving.

 

[Devdude]

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I think your move is incorrect. It was pretty aggressive, kinda a dive bomb but the touch was "light" and he didn't spun (can be the reason for no penalty). Regardless, his reaction is nuts and childish, ruining your race and his own. My two cents

Thank you, ill clean it up, i only went inside on line because he went very wide & lost grip on curve so i tried to stay on the line best as i could, still understanding the control on wheel, i did touch him but not to hinder him, or slow him down

 

[sturk0167]

Sadly I think we all know exactly which streamer this was as this is a constant refrain and common occurrence with them. Very fast person with very little racecraft who blames the majority of incidents on the other person not being aware of them. All while they refuse to use radar. Speed is not racecraft and you have to be aware of how your opponents are driving.

Yeah, he's a tool, who streams every day, and gets paid by YouTube to play games.
I work for a living, so I don't care about his hurt feelings.

If he's so fast, why should he have to worry about bumper taps from behind?

 

[Pigems]

Thanks all for the advice for improving my time at bathurst. I was indeed losing over half a second down the hill. Braking way too hard as you all suspected. Needed to be a bit more gradual. I also tidied up my launch out of the tight left up the hill (is that forests elbow?). I managed a 2.01.9, and that was a pretty messy lap evidenced by the fact that on the next lap I was half a second up but predictably managed to bin it down the hill.
Unfortunately the game froze twice during qualifying, it did the same in race recently as well.

Helluva lap man, very nicely done!! 🍻

Yeah, he's a tool, who streams every day, and gets paid by YouTube to play games.
I work for a living, so I don't care about his hurt feelings.

If he's so fast, why should he have to worry about bumper taps from behind?

I wish he would be on when I’m racing, I never get to race with Mr.Streamz, he’ll get to meet Ray someday! 😂

 

[Talon16]

This was a "B" driver in C lobby, he said i hit him 1st even though i received no penalty but regardless,didnt deserve this as i had already gotten bombed when i was in 7th earlier, im not great driver yet & still learning how to handle wheel i just got, maybe thats why his sr was B as well, still though, he got mad because this "C" driver past him, now if im in the wrong in this video,please tell me as im always trying to learn how to drive better

I am not justifying his actions, but you did hit him and 'push' him out of the way on the last corner. Personally, I like to take that corner pretty wide so I can late apex it and carry that much more speed onto the long straight. Some might think I missed my braking point but I am really trying to be able to hit the gas that much sooner.

Regardless, he acted like a child.

I havet a theory about TCS. When they made the update they accidentally changed the TCS to an early version......

IMO, with people complaining about snap oversteer pre-1.13, one of PD's knee jerk reactions was to make the TC much stronger. Why have 5 different strength settings if even #1 neuters the car it hurts more than it helps?