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Frankly, Race C just accentuates the problems with the terrible penalty system.
Exhibit A.
Exhibit A.
GT7 Daily Race Discussion
- Thread starter Pigems
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Wow,very true what people say about monza.Can be an absolute blood bath.
I did 7-8 races yesterday without q time in the jag and almost always worked up to 7-8 from p16 mainly because carnage.Not so much in the 1st corner though,but through the entire race.
What i absolute don‘t understand is the sheer amount of stupidity i‘ve seen.These were B/S rated drivers doing so many stupid (and aggressive) things and they MUST know they‘ll get a penalty but they do it nonetheless.I mean,mankind IS dumb in big parts no matter how educated someone can be (on paper) but still…
I like the jag generally but before i went to bed i did a bit of time trial in the wrx and wow,it‘s flying thru the corners compared to jag while still being fast on the straight.Sadly,that means i‘ll switch to the meta as well now.At least its not a beetle.
I did 7-8 races yesterday without q time in the jag and almost always worked up to 7-8 from p16 mainly because carnage.Not so much in the 1st corner though,but through the entire race.
What i absolute don‘t understand is the sheer amount of stupidity i‘ve seen.These were B/S rated drivers doing so many stupid (and aggressive) things and they MUST know they‘ll get a penalty but they do it nonetheless.I mean,mankind IS dumb in big parts no matter how educated someone can be (on paper) but still…
I like the jag generally but before i went to bed i did a bit of time trial in the wrx and wow,it‘s flying thru the corners compared to jag while still being fast on the straight.Sadly,that means i‘ll switch to the meta as well now.At least its not a beetle.
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- Devvdude
Its possible that if he was doing about 5 secs clean laps from 21 secs behind, he could catch you before end of race
I know what you mean, the B/S lobbys have been bad lately, i drive beetle usually as it has always been my main gr3 but since it has become the meta recently, i am reluctant to use it, was only beetles & Subaru in my races yesterday, im gonna try different car today, maybe Renault or viper, but not my beetle i love
I know what you mean, the B/S lobbys have been bad lately, i drive beetle usually as it has always been my main gr3 but since it has become the meta recently, i am reluctant to use it, was only beetles & Subaru in my races yesterday, im gonna try different car today, maybe Renault or viper, but not my beetle i love
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I made a legitimate dive on Monza T1 no contact with other car, didn’t overrun and it ghosted my car so my rival who had the optimum line just drove straight through me, wtaf
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- 1,538
- NRW - GT
Then i think you was to slow at this Part.
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- rodgers1
I found in the Gr4 race the other week, if your not in the meta car you have no chance at Monza. It’s basically 4 long straights with 6 corners. As some else said on here cornering and corner exit is key to this track.
Ive tried a few cars and the Mustang looks like it could compete. In my race I somehow started in P1 but the WRXs were eating me up on the straights and the first chicane. Held on to a P2 but only due to the others spinning and picking up penalties. Will try the Mustang again but I know come the end of the week I’m going to be in the WRX.
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- TechnoIsLove
The Nissan GTR Gr3 is the car I am using mostly now in Monza. Suits my style a bit more with the oversteer as I can control using the R2 much better on controller. Need to take a more slow in/ fast out approach in 90 degree corners and dont accelerate fully until car is straight-ish (lose about 0.1 to others in this bit) but then it rockets out and gain what I lost and a bit more back. Mind you, still only managed a 1:49:4 as best qualy and usually start 9th but always gain 4 or 5 positions in race through other people being donkeys and some (rare) genuine overtakes, mostly by braking more cleverly.
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Quite the opposite actually. I do find some daily races great fun, like last week with the Gr4 at Deep Forest, where I was under a second off the top time.
We have been waiting many years for the full GT experience on next gen, but we are still having daily's with BOP, something that GT Sport was all about. We now have full tuning and customisation, yet can't use this in Daily's because people finding work arounds with stupid OP cars.
The answer is simple, allow a race with tuning, but not only limit PP, also limit the car and model to stop 'cheating' which I think is the current issue.
I also have A/S rank, with over 75% of my races being clean with no issue, and a nice lot of poles, fastest laps and wins under my belt. So no, I don't struggle with winning or being competitive, as it stands, GT7 daily's are no different to GT Sports daily's, and that's all I really play, so I am disappointed that I can't use the feature that has been hyped up for so many years.
As for only 3 choices of daily's, I'm very happy that you enjoy Race A, but the vast opinion of many including myself, is that A doesn't offer much excitement.
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Did a few Bs last night. Used the Mustang as it's very good here, IMO. Set my best quali lap with it and couldn't touch that lap with the WRX or Beetle. It was a 48.7X. As usual, didn't invest a ton of time in the qualis as ain't nobody got time fo' dat. Either quali for two hours or quali for 20 mins and actually get in some races.
Did maybe eight races and most were pretty civil, with one I got creamed at T1/Lap 1. Honestly don't even know why people are trying to pass on the first lap into T1/T2. It's just not worth it. 95% of the time, all you're going to do is crash/spin/hit someone else. With the cars that spread out, unless someone FUBARs it, trying for a pass usually won't end well. For me, I'm off the gas at 200m and braking at 150m... a bit early on the brakes but for a reason....
I think my best placing was P3 but some were down in the double digits as I was in a lobby with some A+s, got smashed off the track, and/or binned it myself. I've decided. I don't like Monza... for the same reason I don't like racing at LeMans. It's just a bunch of straights with a couple chicanes. You can take the turns better, start gapping the car behind, and they just make it all back up riding in the slip. The long straights just mean everyone is carrying a bunch of speed into a super slow corner where it's virtually impossible to go two wide.
This week's Daily races get a big MEH from me. That being said, I'll probably end up doing some more this week as it's the low hanging fruit on things keeping me interested in this game. I really should be grinding for credits as I am a bit low and need to save for the Sauber, but I just can't convince myself to spend my free time doing that at the moment.
Did maybe eight races and most were pretty civil, with one I got creamed at T1/Lap 1. Honestly don't even know why people are trying to pass on the first lap into T1/T2. It's just not worth it. 95% of the time, all you're going to do is crash/spin/hit someone else. With the cars that spread out, unless someone FUBARs it, trying for a pass usually won't end well. For me, I'm off the gas at 200m and braking at 150m... a bit early on the brakes but for a reason....
I think my best placing was P3 but some were down in the double digits as I was in a lobby with some A+s, got smashed off the track, and/or binned it myself. I've decided. I don't like Monza... for the same reason I don't like racing at LeMans. It's just a bunch of straights with a couple chicanes. You can take the turns better, start gapping the car behind, and they just make it all back up riding in the slip. The long straights just mean everyone is carrying a bunch of speed into a super slow corner where it's virtually impossible to go two wide.
This week's Daily races get a big MEH from me. That being said, I'll probably end up doing some more this week as it's the low hanging fruit on things keeping me interested in this game. I really should be grinding for credits as I am a bit low and need to save for the Sauber, but I just can't convince myself to spend my free time doing that at the moment.
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I'm going to run some (more) Race B this week if I get time, had a go this morning with the WRX in Qualifying but will race with a different car each time on my other accounts (so from last). So far only used the Vette and it's only around a second a lap slower than the WRX. 
Gained a few places because of crashes and eventually got by a WRX that was slower than me after being stuck for ages, didn't fancy a late braking move because it's not great at that either, as well as not having enough top speed to drive by the WRX. I suggest you only use it if you fancy a bit of a challenge. 
Gained a few places because of crashes and eventually got by a WRX that was slower than me after being stuck for ages, didn't fancy a late braking move because it's not great at that either, as well as not having enough top speed to drive by the WRX. I suggest you only use it if you fancy a bit of a challenge.
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I wish they would remove the DR letter rating. IMHO it causes more problems than it’s worth. Folk seem preoccupied with either improving it or protecting it with little consideration as to how they do it.
Fine, keep some sort of ranking system. Just don’t tell us about it and simply use robust matching.
To be honest, they should redo the whole Sport mode system entirely. It’s less informative, intuitive & equitable than GTS. BoP, matching, penalties, intuitive design, track/car selection, connection stability…..you name it, it’s broken.
Admit defeat and redesign from the ground up.
Fine, keep some sort of ranking system. Just don’t tell us about it and simply use robust matching.
To be honest, they should redo the whole Sport mode system entirely. It’s less informative, intuitive & equitable than GTS. BoP, matching, penalties, intuitive design, track/car selection, connection stability…..you name it, it’s broken.
Admit defeat and redesign from the ground up.
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I don't see it like you do, I wouldn't mind if PD simply copied and used the entire sports and lobby area of GTS as it is now. Including the possibility to view the data again, for example, on Kudos or in a Sony/PD own database similar to that of Kudos... After that, PD can easily need 6 months or longer for real improvements.
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- rising_glass1
Honestly, how can any race be fun with the regulations and the tires/type of track. I won't be playing the online mode much if it's gonna be rough like that.
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- schlafhund
At this point, it’s basically gone already. They hid their data in website coding and we no longer even have the basic bar.
No point in tryharding anymore.
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- Devvdude
I definitely think penalty system & BOP with some cars need an overhaul, the penalty for intentionally punting & full speed knocking drivers off road should be more than 5 secs, because depending on where you land off road, 5 secs dont make a difference as you are well more than 5 secs behind that even with them getting penalty, you dont catch up to them, only ones benefiting are the ones who were not punted off road
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Well, to understand that, you have to try it yourself and if you're a good driver and have the ambition to get even better, then you can't avoid online racing. In addition, not every race or every racing driver is unfair. But yes, especially when starting in sport mode, it can happen. You start in the "worst" starting field and have to prove that you can drive. A good time in qualifying helps to push your rating as quickly as possible.
If you are really as fast as many people think you are, because otherwise they only drive against the rather weak AI, you often start from one of the front places. Now it's time to survive the first curves and set yourself apart from the field. Do the whole thing "a few times" and you'll quickly be at least a B/A or B/S driver... From this point on you often meet really good + tough BUT fair drivers.
Then driving is a challenge that you will never have against the AI.
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- mario19o85
I just made my first Sport mode races in GT7 today. I chose race A, which surprisingly was a lot of fun, but how do some players keep their good sportsmanship rating? I was able to witness some real carnage out there 🤔
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Why is copying GTS acceptable? Prior to its release, everyone on GTS forum was looking forward to a new and improved experience. We still can’t use a brake balance controller in a BoP race!
PD/Sony have made it perfectly clear that they wish any data other than that already provided to remain “a secret” to which only they are privy. What makes you think this will change?
Agree with both.
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I mean, copying things is perfectly fine to an extent. No-one would complain if we got the same as Sports lobby system, because it was pretty functional and worked fine. No-one would complain if we got the same DR tracking system as sport, again, because it was useful, and it worked fine.
You can have these elements copied whilst still improving on other parts of the experience. Not everything needs to be refreshed or changed constantly.
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Well I actually did some online racing in my stream this week but it was pretty 'meh' results, I am trying to focus on Race B since that seems to be the one I am best at this week but am making no progress at all in my rankings.
I was thinking I might at least get to DR C but it still seems to be stuck on DR D, gonna have some more racing later in the week so will see how things go there, average finish is about 7-5th so I guess I am not 'beating' enough drivers with lower points than me at the moment.
It would be nice to at least be able to see the data again, I cannot understand why this has to be so protected now, the more information you have the better you can understand how to improve/learn mistakes in races.
I was thinking I might at least get to DR C but it still seems to be stuck on DR D, gonna have some more racing later in the week so will see how things go there, average finish is about 7-5th so I guess I am not 'beating' enough drivers with lower points than me at the moment.
It would be nice to at least be able to see the data again, I cannot understand why this has to be so protected now, the more information you have the better you can understand how to improve/learn mistakes in races.
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I mean they did copy almost everything, except somehow they managed to make it not work as good
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Yes there are a few really bad drivers out there, not much you can do but avoid them and wait for them to spoil the race of others instead of you.
I did this earlier in the race B I completed, I had to avoid a driver I'd just passed who just dived into the 2nd chicane, by the 2nd Lesmo (just two corners later) they'd gone 3 wide into it and taken the other two cars out and got themselves a 5 second penalty, they quit almost immediately.
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Agreed.
The “worst” driving field is in the eye of the beholder. In my experience up to Dr B, there is no “worst” field. There is no guarantee that improving your Dr will result in races with more respect. Watch any streamer you care to mention to witness the behaviour at higher levels than Dr B.
Yesterday I was able to win a Race C. This was soley because I managed to get the lead during the first lap. There was utter carnage behind and some faster drivers left. It was a D/S lobby and I qualified in P2 with a 1:29.907. The win put me back into Dr C.
Today I improved my Q time to 1:28:909 prior to entering my first race back at Dr C. This was around midday Euro time. I was a C/S driver. I was placed in P12 in the lobby.
The pole sitter had a Q time of 1:23:612. He was ranked C/C. The next 6 or 7 drivers were all Dr B drivers with S ratings between A & C. The driver in P8 had a Q time of 1:25:xxx. This is my first race back in C ranks. How is this even vaguely equitable?
The race starts, punted on T1 along with many others going off. Remainder of L1 & 2 are carnage again. I quit in disgust.
Your view on sport mode is as seen though rose-tinted spectacles and, in my experience, is not the true reality of online racing in GT7.
Pigems
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We’re you or him down a lap? Or GTS used to ghost more in D-C lobbies as well, than in A-B lobbies.
@Sven Jurgens Is the Penalty System still DR dependent on how it hands out pens and ghosting?
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PirovacBoy
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@xMAXIx79 hey Man, what‘s your Qualifying Time on Monza in the Jaguar.
It’s such a good Car, i use it quite often across all sorts of tracks and always get decent Results.
So far I managed a 1:47.8 but messed up the mid Sector and lost 3 tenths there.
So 1:47.4-5 but I can’t be bothered to hit that “perfect Lap“
It’s such a good Car, i use it quite often across all sorts of tracks and always get decent Results.
So far I managed a 1:47.8 but messed up the mid Sector and lost 3 tenths there.
So 1:47.4-5 but I can’t be bothered to hit that “perfect Lap“
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