GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Barney Da Dog]

For C I'm not using any BB got back from work did 2 laps and took 2/10s off my time and oddly/same as you that didn't feel like some colossal grind/unicorn lap at the time.

The race is boring in a good way for me as I dropped to middle B from A last week so I'm sitting on pole although a few of the A+ alt accounts are doing the race.

Last race all B/S lobby me on pole, passed by P2 in to the chicane (cleanly) and I never saw him again finished 9.5s in front of me on a 20.02.xx and I was 7s in front of the P3 pack.

I noticed you'd shoved me down the leaderboard again

Every race I've been on pole (using the Huracan) I've just gone backwards due little errors. And taking 14 different lines over 14 laps, I can never get that tight turn 7 on to the back straight done properly

I may try the NSX again as I seem more consistent in that over a race. Overall though, I'm really enjoying C - such a roller coaster on the first part of the lap, then a chance to relax on the back straight

 

[newmedia_dev]

Because we have to minimze the abrupt weight transfer that many Gr.3 cars have from 1st to 2nd gear.
Thats the weird thing I reckon.

I'd agree.

I'd also add that the weird top end of the Rev range over torque is odd in a straight or straightening steering angle.

There is a lot of softness now as well which doesn't help with RWD cars

 

[newmedia_dev]

I noticed you'd shoved me down the leaderboard again

Every race I've been on pole (using the Huracan) I've just gone backwards due little errors. And taking 14 different lines over 14 laps, I can never get that tight turn 7 on to the back straight done properly

I may try the NSX again as I seem more consistent in that over a race. Overall though, I'm really enjoying C - such a roller coaster on the first part of the lap, then a chance to relax on the back straight

I started with the Evo and it's mighty quick, I just don't have the skills to take the turn ins they do in them.

I threw away 1 pole and one/two seconds today just for that reason, I just couldn't be consistent/was a muppet.

The NSX "maybe" and I'll try it tomorrow but the fast line over T3 means loads of curbs in to, on braking and in exit. Probably tricky but doable.

I think the Veyron is the sleeper, good on the curbs, likes early brakes and fast...

 

[Voodoovaj]

I just did a coupe of back to back Race B with a car that needed an oil change. I understand that it isn't supposed to make a difference with BoP, and maybe it did not earlier, but it sure does now. Dirty oil cost me about half a second to a three quarters of a second per lap.

With dirty oil, I started on pole and the pack of Supras behind me easily caught me. I finished 5th

With clean oil, and almost the same people in the room, I started from pole and held the lead to the end. Like I said, and easy half to three quarters of a second per lap.

I didn't note the oil before the race, but I did notice that the car just wasn't doing the times. So, post race I did the check. Yep, the oil light was yellow. So I changed it and easily set better times.


I suggest people give it a try. Set some dirty oil BoP times in the Daily Race practice, then try again with new oil.

 

[Barney Da Dog]

I started with the Evo and it's mighty quick, I just don't have the skills to take the turn ins they do in them.

I threw away 1 pole and one/two seconds today just for that reason, I just couldn't be consistent/was a muppet.

The NSX "maybe" and I'll try it tomorrow but the fast line over T3 means loads of curbs in to, on braking and in exit. Probably tricky but doable.

I think the Veyron is the sleeper, good on the curbs, likes early brakes and fast...

I briefly tried the Evo but also struggled to get it to turn, so didn't try again. I think I remember the Veyron doing well here a few months ago??

I got a Monday win in the NSX and have seen a few others take wins in them too. Also seen a competive 458 and an F-Type in a couple of races.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I just did a coupe of back to back Race B with a car that needed an oil change. I understand that it isn't supposed to make a difference with BoP, and maybe it did not earlier, but it sure does now. Dirty oil cost me about half a second to a three quarters of a second per lap.

With dirty oil, I started on pole and the pack of Supras behind me easily caught me. I finished 5th

With clean oil, and almost the same people in the room, I started from pole and held the lead to the end. Like I said, and easy half to three quarters of a second per lap.

I didn't note the oil before the race, but I did notice that the car just wasn't doing the times. So, post race I did the check. Yep, the oil light was yellow. So I changed it and easily set better times.


I suggest people give it a try. Set some dirty oil BoP times in the Daily Race practice, then try again with new oil.

I've constantly said bop and power/weight have nothing to do with how cleanly that power goes down. Worn oil/engine makes the engine hesitate (because not smooth oil) the output is the same, the weight is the same so bop is met.

I'm gonna give up mentioning this

 

[mellofello9]

I've constantly said bop and power/weight have nothing to do with how cleanly that power goes down. Worn oil/engine makes the engine hesitate (because not smooth oil) the output is the same, the weight is the same so bop is met.

I'm gonna give up mentioning this

Why give-up when there's still people firmly on either side of that fence?

There are no absolutes in opinion, only empirical data. As has also been discussed, there's black-box crap going on so we'll never have that irrefutable numbers data. I am SURE there is an impact. The clock don't lie. But the retort to that will be: "PLACEBO EFFECT! I've said this constantly..."

Wait-n-see.😁

This conversation will never end and now is no time to be a quitter.🤣

 

[Stilva]

Since I like Road Atlanta I'll be there this week. I set a time of 1:25.409 over the past few days and I'm happy with it. Well, my 2 races this evening were terrible as I could not control the Huracan at all. I spun so many times in turn 1 and that chicane. Unintentional power slides (cool to do not going to lie) on a few corners and a few off tracks didn't help either. Frustrating to say the least and not a good night for me.

 

[TheNormsk]

You know those evenings where you come off the races a sweaty wreck, swearing you need a heart defibrillator?

It was one of those nights.

A first and two 4th on daily race B 😀

 

[Gurzu]

So, no improvements last nyt. Just the ideal is decreased to an 1:26.0XX, not the actual. What the heck? I decided to give a go anyway to see where it stand. First race starting second, kicked out at turn 2 by the same funny guy that kicked out the poleman 2 laps later, no problem. 2nd race from 4th on the grid got me 3rd in the end (2 clean bonus, some nice clean passes in the first one). It was just a matter of adjusting the 1st braking point. QT will go down eventually.

And yes...

You know those evenings where you come off the races a sweaty wreck, swearing you need a heart defibrillator?

Same around here, after just 2 races.

 

[Chris30]

Since I like Road Atlanta I'll be there this week. I set a time of 1:25.409 over the past few days and I'm happy with it. Well, my 2 races this evening were terrible as I could not control the Huracan at all. I spun so many times in turn 1 and that chicane. Unintentional power slides (cool to do not going to lie) on a few corners and a few off tracks didn't help either. Frustrating to say the least and not a good night for me.

I like Road Atlanta, I just don't like some of those blind corners. Some laps I'll go too quick when clipping the corner and go offtrack, Sector 1 is a prime example, (the blind turn where the cones are). I don't normally use the Huracan either because sometimes it's not stable when I'm making a turn. I may have to skip the C races this week.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Why give-up when there's still people firmly on either side of that fence?

There are no absolutes in opinion, only empirical data. As has also been discussed, there's black-box crap going on so we'll never have that irrefutable numbers data. I am SURE there is an impact. The clock don't lie. But the retort to that will be: "PLACEBO EFFECT! I've said this constantly..."

Wait-n-see.😁

This conversation will never end and now is no time to be a quitter.🤣

There's some easy testing. If a person feels they can QT better, overhaul the car (engine, chassis, and oil) and see what happens.

I did exactly that before setting my QT. Seemed to work. If it consistently works, then we have a good indicator if not outright proof.

 

[Chris30]

And you can always test most of the cars and see which one gives you the best results for the qualifying session. That's what I usually try to do when I have the extra free time. It's worth the effort and work/labor.

 

[Nebuc72]

I have a Porsche with red oil, I'll give it a test when I get home vs. the rental.

It's very possible Glen is right, all we know internally about oil and BoP is that worn oil reduces power (which is reset by BoP) but we know nothing about if it works deeper than that, e.g. in regards to actually delivering this power that isn't impacted by how BoP works.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I have a Porsche with red oil, I'll give it a test when I get home vs. the rental.

It's very possible Glen is right, all we know internally about oil and BoP is that worn oil reduces power (which is reset by BoP) but we know nothing about if it works deeper than that, e.g. in regards to actually delivering this power that isn't impacted by how BoP works.

A caveat though is that the rentals might be set up with a slight downgrade in engine, oil, and chassis. I don't know if this is the case, but I could see something like that being implemented to incentivize purchasing a car.

 

[Nebuc72]

A caveat though is that the rentals might be set up with a slight downgrade in engine, oil, and chassis. I don't know if this is the case, but I could see something like that being implemented to incentivize purchasing a car.

Yeah it's a fair point, I don't think its the case based on the leaderboards pretty much exclusively being rentals (esp in Race A or Super Formula races etc.) but no harm in the contingency for testing.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Gr4 Mazda as below

Normal oil engine chassis (not excellent)

I bought a new one with 0miles on the clock

Set up a 2 car custom race at route x

Grid start and full throttle no TC and ran to races to the 1000m board/line

Edit to add that BoP was on.

Also the pause looks close judging by the plane in the background.

Picture 1 is the new car and time
Picture 2 is the used car and time (look at the mileage in the odometer)


The new car was fractionally faster in 1 run of each.

2 very very big caveats:

1. I have only done one run in each car
2. It's impossible just on the console to know how close frame wise I was in pausing each of the recordings

 

[Barney Da Dog]

I entered a qualifying session and tried 8 laps in each of my worn NSX - oil 'bad', engine and chassis 'normal'

First run was pretty slow, but had been using the Huracan a lot, so decided on a 2nd run later after getting back in to the NSX.

I tried to change gear at the same RPM point each time, and never used 6th gear anywhere.

My 2nd, in a freshly refurbished NSX. Obviously room for improvement here, with a poor 2nd sector split.

Run 2 in the worn one.

Then tried a hired NSX.

Although the times are pretty similar, i was able to do more laps at close to the best times in the hired NSX, whereas the worn car was less consistent. But! That could just be me improving and hooking better laps, as I'd done close on 40 laps in total by the time I'd used the hire car.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Although the times are pretty similar, i was able to do more laps at close to the best times in the hired NSX, whereas the worn car was less consistent. But! That could just be me improving and hooking better laps, as I'd done close on 40 laps in total by the time I'd used the hire car.

That was the reason I just did standing start runs to limit the variables and try to remove me as much as possible from the tests.

 

[Nebuc72]

Did one lap with the Bad Oil (turns out it was a Lexus not a Porsche but no difference) - set a 1:24.7
Switched to a new-buy, did 5 laps, best 1:24.432

Switched back to the bad oil, 4 laps (binned it on the 5th) - best 1:24.423

Max speed is the same on both (expected) and to be honest all the times/sectors are so close across the board I'm comfortable in saying that it doesn't make a difference.
I think the fact we're all majority inconclusive speaks to the same outcome, as I still believe it would be super obvious by now if it was making an impact and not something we'd be sat here debating tenths over.

 

[zjn]

Same here, what's your driver name?

it's ZZI

 

[Barney Da Dog]

That was the reason I just did standing start runs to limit the variables and try to remove me as much as possible from the tests.

Wonder if a lap of SSRX would work? Would have to take the same lines of course

 

[newmedia_dev]

Did one lap with the Bad Oil (turns out it was a Lexus not a Porsche but no difference) - set a 1:24.7
Switched to a new-buy, did 5 laps, best 1:24.432
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Switched back to the bad oil, 4 laps (binned it on the 5th) - best 1:24.423
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Max speed is the same on both (expected) and to be honest all the times/sectors are so close across the board I'm comfortable in saying that it doesn't make a difference.
I think the fact we're all majority inconclusive speaks to the same outcome, as I still believe it would be super obvious by now if it was making an impact and not something we'd be sat here debating tenths over.

I think that's pretty fair.

If there is any impact (and not placebo) it's so limited in effect that's it would be negligible in a race/qt setting online.

Edit: @Barney Da Dog - you could save the ghost and just follow it to make sure you follow the same line? 🤔

 

[Chris30]

Wonder if a lap of SSRX would work? Would have to take the same lines of course

Actually most people would take different lines for the long right turns for SSRX. Not everyone has the same driving method. Things change every now and then depending on the car and track. I'm not in favor of Road Atlanta. The end always gets me before the finish line. Speed is an important factor here, and how well you brake and turn.

 

[brockie]

I entered a qualifying session and tried 8 laps in each of my worn NSX - oil 'bad', engine and chassis 'normal'

First run was pretty slow, but had been using the Huracan a lot, so decided on a 2nd run later after getting back in to the NSX.

I tried to change gear at the same RPM point each time, and never used 6th gear anywhere.
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My 2nd, in a freshly refurbished NSX. Obviously room for improvement here, with a poor 2nd sector split.
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Run 2 in the worn one.
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Then tried a hired NSX.
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Although the times are pretty similar, i was able to do more laps at close to the best times in the hired NSX, whereas the worn car was less consistent. But! That could just be me improving and hooking better laps, as I'd done close on 40 laps in total by the time I'd used the hire car.

I have to say, I’ve never had a ‘normal’ anywhere else but on the oil, let alone bad 🤣

You guys are serious car killers 😁

 

[newmedia_dev]

Just going down the back straight at Atlanta and my car struggled to rev the last few bars.

Went and checked engine oil had worn to normal.

It got to max speed for that section but maybe it really is just some people are more sensitive to it, it may not matter much in the grand scheme of things but I could definitely notice a change in the reving characteristics.

But it is very front of mind at the moment as well.

 

[Nebuc72]

Just going down the back straight at Atlanta and my car struggled to rev the last few bars.

Went and checked engine oil had worn to normal.

It got to max speed for that section but maybe it really is just some people are more sensitive to it, it may not matter much in the grand scheme of things but I could definitely notice a change in the reving characteristics.

But it is very front of mind at the moment as well.

Best thing to do is just to record a comparison, really. Then you can compare it side by side.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Best thing to do is just to record a comparison, really. Then you can compare it side by side.

I will.

But ultimately it's not a massive issue, consistency is probably the biggest factor.

I will say that worn oil does have some affect but the reality looks like it's negligible to but all of the most hardcore/exceptional guys and even then they use the fresh cars.

It's just something I can feel/am sensitive to I think because I pay so much attention to the mechanics of extracting my lap times.

 

[MIE1992]

For Race C, I did some qualifying and got a time slightly outside the top 5k: 1:25.643 with the Huracan Gr.4. I’m looking forward to trying this one out.

 

[Goanaut]

Did 3 Road Atlanta races today, despite recovering from a dislocated shoulder.

First race I just kept it on track for a 6th place finish.
Second race I got pushed off, had to fight from the back to finish 8th. Could be worse.
Third race I believe I was in a lobby with you @bone_tone . You started directly behind me. I was constantly collecting penalties and had to avoid several drivers that were taking each other out. Finished 4 seconds behind you in P8 I believe.