GT7 Daily Race Discussion
- Thread starter Pigems
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- 3,079
- United Kingdom
For C I'm not using any BB got back from work did 2 laps and took 2/10s off my time and oddly/same as you that didn't feel like some colossal grind/unicorn lap at the time.
The race is boring in a good way for me as I dropped to middle B from A last week so I'm sitting on pole although a few of the A+ alt accounts are doing the race.
Last race all B/S lobby me on pole, passed by P2 in to the chicane (cleanly) and I never saw him again finished 9.5s in front of me on a 20.02.xx and I was 7s in front of the P3 pack.
- 664
- UK
- brockybrock
I’m with you there on race B, I’m fastest in the Porsche so far but it’s very slidy and also very dirty, so not enjoying it much.
But I don’t have much time this week anyhoo so I’ll leave it too the weekend and my idea is that I’ll have some good racing to do whatever the weather 😁
I’m already wishing the week away but I don’t mind.
- 3,079
- United Kingdom
My enjoyment of group 3 is waining a bit, I know they have balanced it a bit better I just don't enjoy the characteristics of the cars that much now.
I'll race them and can drive them but I don't enjoy that as much as the Gr4 stuff where the margins are finer but the racing "mostly" closer. The gr3 stuff always feels too knife now for me with some really weird momentum changes. Not something you can't over come just a little counter intuitive for the control inputs.
That they made slides so much easier to catch but with every yin is a yang, the cars slide more so it feels "frustrating" when on a hot lap you are randomly catching a slide you didn't provoke. Just a strange mechanic and hence why the whole 1st to 3rd double shift thing is now the norm....
The only real job a race team has to do is tune the suspension and the gearing for each track yet...
- 664
- UK
- brockybrock
Yeah I’m feeling that too, gr3 Porsche was a staple and it does seem like such a chore these days, but there is at least some different car choices going around which there doesn’t seem to be in gr4
But I’ve always preferred gr4 so I’m looking forward to some road Atlanta this weekend and hope for a Suzuka, brands full, spa, Kyoto or anything gr4 next week 😁
- 232
- Uruguay
- Sinnicko
Because we have to minimze the abrupt weight transfer that many Gr.3 cars have from 1st to 2nd gear.
Thats the weird thing I reckon.
- 655
- United Kingdom
I noticed you'd shoved me down the leaderboard again
Every race I've been on pole (using the Huracan) I've just gone backwards due little errors. And taking 14 different lines over 14 laps, I can never get that tight turn 7 on to the back straight done properly
I may try the NSX again as I seem more consistent in that over a race. Overall though, I'm really enjoying C - such a roller coaster on the first part of the lap, then a chance to relax on the back straight
- 3,079
- United Kingdom
I'd agree.
I'd also add that the weird top end of the Rev range over torque is odd in a straight or straightening steering angle.
There is a lot of softness now as well which doesn't help with RWD cars
- 3,079
- United Kingdom
I started with the Evo and it's mighty quick, I just don't have the skills to take the turn ins they do in them.I noticed you'd shoved me down the leaderboard again
Every race I've been on pole (using the Huracan) I've just gone backwards due little errors. And taking 14 different lines over 14 laps, I can never get that tight turn 7 on to the back straight done properly
I may try the NSX again as I seem more consistent in that over a race. Overall though, I'm really enjoying C - such a roller coaster on the first part of the lap, then a chance to relax on the back straight
I threw away 1 pole and one/two seconds today just for that reason, I just couldn't be consistent/was a muppet.
The NSX "maybe" and I'll try it tomorrow but the fast line over T3 means loads of curbs in to, on braking and in exit. Probably tricky but doable.
I think the Veyron is the sleeper, good on the curbs, likes early brakes and fast...
- 3,748
- London, Ontario
- voodoovaj
I just did a coupe of back to back Race B with a car that needed an oil change. I understand that it isn't supposed to make a difference with BoP, and maybe it did not earlier, but it sure does now. Dirty oil cost me about half a second to a three quarters of a second per lap.
With dirty oil, I started on pole and the pack of Supras behind me easily caught me. I finished 5th
With clean oil, and almost the same people in the room, I started from pole and held the lead to the end. Like I said, and easy half to three quarters of a second per lap.
I didn't note the oil before the race, but I did notice that the car just wasn't doing the times. So, post race I did the check. Yep, the oil light was yellow. So I changed it and easily set better times.
I suggest people give it a try. Set some dirty oil BoP times in the Daily Race practice, then try again with new oil.
With dirty oil, I started on pole and the pack of Supras behind me easily caught me. I finished 5th
With clean oil, and almost the same people in the room, I started from pole and held the lead to the end. Like I said, and easy half to three quarters of a second per lap.
I didn't note the oil before the race, but I did notice that the car just wasn't doing the times. So, post race I did the check. Yep, the oil light was yellow. So I changed it and easily set better times.
I suggest people give it a try. Set some dirty oil BoP times in the Daily Race practice, then try again with new oil.
- 655
- United Kingdom
I briefly tried the Evo but also struggled to get it to turn, so didn't try again. I think I remember the Veyron doing well here a few months ago??
I got a Monday win in the NSX and have seen a few others take wins in them too. Also seen a competive 458 and an F-Type in a couple of races.
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- United Kingdom
- 677
- Pennsyltucky
- mellofello9
Why give-up when there's still people firmly on either side of that fence?
There are no absolutes in opinion, only empirical data. As has also been discussed, there's black-box crap going on so we'll never have that irrefutable numbers data. I am SURE there is an impact. The clock don't lie. But the retort to that will be: "PLACEBO EFFECT! I've said this constantly..."
Wait-n-see.😁
This conversation will never end and now is no time to be a quitter.🤣
- 568
- Buffalo, NY
- Stilva
Since I like Road Atlanta I'll be there this week. I set a time of 1:25.409 over the past few days and I'm happy with it. Well, my 2 races this evening were terrible as I could not control the Huracan at all. I spun so many times in turn 1 and that chicane. Unintentional power slides (cool to do not going to lie) on a few corners and a few off tracks didn't help either. Frustrating to say the least and not a good night for me.
- 54
- Lugano
So, no improvements last nyt. Just the ideal is decreased to an 1:26.0XX, not the actual. What the heck? I decided to give a go anyway to see where it stand. First race starting second, kicked out at turn 2 by the same funny guy that kicked out the poleman 2 laps later, no problem. 2nd race from 4th on the grid got me 3rd in the end (2 clean bonus, some nice clean passes in the first one). It was just a matter of adjusting the 1st braking point. QT will go down eventually.
And yes...
And yes...
Same around here, after just 2 races.
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- 4,838
- United States
- rising_glass1
I like Road Atlanta, I just don't like some of those blind corners. Some laps I'll go too quick when clipping the corner and go offtrack, Sector 1 is a prime example, (the blind turn where the cones are). I don't normally use the Huracan either because sometimes it's not stable when I'm making a turn. I may have to skip the C races this week.
- 3,748
- London, Ontario
- voodoovaj
There's some easy testing. If a person feels they can QT better, overhaul the car (engine, chassis, and oil) and see what happens.Why give-up when there's still people firmly on either side of that fence?
There are no absolutes in opinion, only empirical data. As has also been discussed, there's black-box crap going on so we'll never have that irrefutable numbers data. I am SURE there is an impact. The clock don't lie. But the retort to that will be: "PLACEBO EFFECT! I've said this constantly..."
Wait-n-see.😁
This conversation will never end and now is no time to be a quitter.🤣
I did exactly that before setting my QT. Seemed to work. If it consistently works, then we have a good indicator if not outright proof.
- 2,926
- United Kingdom
I have a Porsche with red oil, I'll give it a test when I get home vs. the rental.
It's very possible Glen is right, all we know internally about oil and BoP is that worn oil reduces power (which is reset by BoP) but we know nothing about if it works deeper than that, e.g. in regards to actually delivering this power that isn't impacted by how BoP works.
It's very possible Glen is right, all we know internally about oil and BoP is that worn oil reduces power (which is reset by BoP) but we know nothing about if it works deeper than that, e.g. in regards to actually delivering this power that isn't impacted by how BoP works.
- 3,079
- United Kingdom
Gr4 Mazda as below
Normal oil engine chassis (not excellent)
I bought a new one with 0miles on the clock
Set up a 2 car custom race at route x
Grid start and full throttle no TC and ran to races to the 1000m board/line
Edit to add that BoP was on.
Also the pause looks close judging by the plane in the background.
Picture 1 is the new car and time
Picture 2 is the used car and time (look at the mileage in the odometer)
The new car was fractionally faster in 1 run of each.
2 very very big caveats:
1. I have only done one run in each car
2. It's impossible just on the console to know how close frame wise I was in pausing each of the recordings
Normal oil engine chassis (not excellent)
I bought a new one with 0miles on the clock
Set up a 2 car custom race at route x
Grid start and full throttle no TC and ran to races to the 1000m board/line
Edit to add that BoP was on.
Also the pause looks close judging by the plane in the background.
Picture 1 is the new car and time
Picture 2 is the used car and time (look at the mileage in the odometer)
The new car was fractionally faster in 1 run of each.
2 very very big caveats:
1. I have only done one run in each car
2. It's impossible just on the console to know how close frame wise I was in pausing each of the recordings
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- 655
- United Kingdom
I entered a qualifying session and tried 8 laps in each of my worn NSX - oil 'bad', engine and chassis 'normal'
First run was pretty slow, but had been using the Huracan a lot, so decided on a 2nd run later after getting back in to the NSX.
I tried to change gear at the same RPM point each time, and never used 6th gear anywhere.
My 2nd, in a freshly refurbished NSX. Obviously room for improvement here, with a poor 2nd sector split.
Run 2 in the worn one.
Then tried a hired NSX.
Although the times are pretty similar, i was able to do more laps at close to the best times in the hired NSX, whereas the worn car was less consistent. But! That could just be me improving and hooking better laps, as I'd done close on 40 laps in total by the time I'd used the hire car.
First run was pretty slow, but had been using the Huracan a lot, so decided on a 2nd run later after getting back in to the NSX.
I tried to change gear at the same RPM point each time, and never used 6th gear anywhere.
My 2nd, in a freshly refurbished NSX. Obviously room for improvement here, with a poor 2nd sector split.
Run 2 in the worn one.
Then tried a hired NSX.
Although the times are pretty similar, i was able to do more laps at close to the best times in the hired NSX, whereas the worn car was less consistent. But! That could just be me improving and hooking better laps, as I'd done close on 40 laps in total by the time I'd used the hire car.
- 3,079
- United Kingdom
That was the reason I just did standing start runs to limit the variables and try to remove me as much as possible from the tests.
- 2,926
- United Kingdom
Did one lap with the Bad Oil (turns out it was a Lexus not a Porsche but no difference) - set a 1:24.7
Switched to a new-buy, did 5 laps, best 1:24.432
Switched back to the bad oil, 4 laps (binned it on the 5th) - best 1:24.423
Max speed is the same on both (expected) and to be honest all the times/sectors are so close across the board I'm comfortable in saying that it doesn't make a difference.
I think the fact we're all majority inconclusive speaks to the same outcome, as I still believe it would be super obvious by now if it was making an impact and not something we'd be sat here debating tenths over.
Switched to a new-buy, did 5 laps, best 1:24.432
Switched back to the bad oil, 4 laps (binned it on the 5th) - best 1:24.423
Max speed is the same on both (expected) and to be honest all the times/sectors are so close across the board I'm comfortable in saying that it doesn't make a difference.
I think the fact we're all majority inconclusive speaks to the same outcome, as I still believe it would be super obvious by now if it was making an impact and not something we'd be sat here debating tenths over.
- 655
- United Kingdom
Wonder if a lap of SSRX would work? Would have to take the same lines of course
- 3,079
- United Kingdom
I think that's pretty fair.
If there is any impact (and not placebo) it's so limited in effect that's it would be negligible in a race/qt setting online.
Edit: @Barney Da Dog - you could save the ghost and just follow it to make sure you follow the same line? 🤔
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- 4,838
- United States
- rising_glass1
Actually most people would take different lines for the long right turns for SSRX. Not everyone has the same driving method. Things change every now and then depending on the car and track. I'm not in favor of Road Atlanta. The end always gets me before the finish line. Speed is an important factor here, and how well you brake and turn.
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