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Yes and no in some countries, e.g. here in Germany, Genesis is now an independent brand.
It’s a posh Hyundai brand, bit like Infiniti is to Nissan or Lexus & Toyota


@Leon Kowalski nope never seen one drive round UK. The price you pay for them you can get better brands of cars for your money so doesn’t make sense at all to buy them.
 
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It’s a posh Hyundai brand, bit like Infiniti is to Nissan or Lexus & Toyota


@Leon Kowalski nope never seen one drive round UK. The price you pay for them you can get better brands of cars for your money so doesn’t make sense at all to buy them.
I disagree, at least in Canada, Hyundai's right now are the best they have ever been, still one of the most affordable cars, but the reliability and warranties are the best in the industry.
 
Have you ever seen one on the streets? I haven't.
@Leon Kowalski nope never seen one drive round UK.
Pfft, should get your eyes tested then:
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Down in DR C, it’s getting pretty close to a one-make race, 8 M6s in the top 10 of qualifying. Like being in GR4 with all the Alfas.

Managed to pick a few off. Getting dangerously close to DR B now, and judging by the times I see here I’m in no way fast enough.
 

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I disagree, at least in Canada, Hyundai's right now are the best they have ever been, still one of the most affordable cars, but the reliability and warranties are the best in the industry.
Have to agree. Hyundais are very good cars and you get alot of kit for decent money. A few years back I was going to buy the i30n but went for a Golf GTi instead.
Genesis was what I referenced in my last post as you can get better for the price.

Pfft, should get your eyes tested then:
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Haha are these your own cars? 🤣 Genuinely never seen one on the road. You watch I’ll see loads of them now
 
It’s a posh Hyundai brand, bit like Infiniti is to Nissan or Lexus & Toyota


@Leon Kowalski nope never seen one drive round UK. The price you pay for them you can get better brands of cars for your money so doesn’t make sense at all to buy them.
I know, but it's still an independent brand. Like e.g. my cupra has been its own brand for a few years.

I haven't looked closely at Genesis yet, but I know that Hyundai is underestimated when it comes to some vehicles.. and they are very innovative BUT they sometimes lack the courage to do some things in a way that would absolutely inspire and convince them. But that also applies to other manufacturers.
 
After all my rants, I have to admit, I enjoy race c quite a bit. No qualy time set, many overtake maneuvres and people do not understand tactics at all. Period. At level c, that is.
 
I feel so foolish turning up to Watkins Glen in Daily C in a Hyundai and everyone else was in a BMW M6.
First attempt at this race and I started Q9 with a 1.44.5.
I wanted to start on M but forgot to change them so was on softs. Softs were pretty durable really. Made a few places on first few laps. Pitted L6 to try an overcut, which worked due to other driver taking the racing line then cutting over the pit line on the straight to pit. Came out P8 but had jumped a few cars and then they crashed behind me. Nice close battle for a few corners to which they made a small and allowed me the inside line and the corner. Now I made small contact which I believe was fair but they got wiped out with car behind. Then on the chat the driver who crashed call us all numpties. Clipped it below and made a little movie from it. The trusty Hyundai came through for P5 finish, B/S lobby. So please with that.



On a side note. Why am I so bad in the META cars? Tried the Genesis in quali and lapped round in a 1.45.0. Jumped into AMG & Hyundai went quicker on my first lap. M6 I’m ok on some tracks and here again I’m ok but still can’t stick a quick lap in.
It’s the same with others too. WRX Gr4/Gr3 & Bettle I’m so slow in these cars and even to some extent the


It took me some time to find the same pace in the M6 as well. I was mid 42 in the Genesis but was about half second off of that in the M6 but finally unlocked the same pace after watching a few replays. I still find the time easier in the Genesis though.
 
Since the M6 now are the META I'll pick something else tomorrow
Please report back if you find something new. Reading through this thread, the Porsche seems good. I just got home and will attempt more qualifying in the M6 but would like to hear some other race options. Maybe something good on tires.
 
You realise they probably call you worse things because you pit at times when no one else would? Effectively brake checking them.
I pitted at the end of lap 5. Behind and ahead of several others who pitted at the end of lap 5. The person who hit me from behind was pitting also. So, your point is...?
 
Have 8 top 5 finishes in Race B pulling a 56.3. My last race I came in 4th beating 3 Rank A racers and now my little bar is half way up the B ranks!

Going to work on getting a 55.5 now. 56 is only good enough for P8 already. Should be high enough ranked now to be in a split that awards 100 pts in next Manufacturer race. I'm looking for another 88+ result for the GT2 catagory.
 
Please report back if you find something new. Reading through this thread, the Porsche seems good. I just got home and will attempt more qualifying in the M6 but would like to hear some other race options. Maybe something good on tires.

Alternatives to the M6 which should be competitive are;

Genesis X, GR Supra, Corvette, both GTRs. If you want an MR*, try the VW GTi** or the Ford GT LM Race Car (the white one)

It's really funny that the Meta changes add the wind blows...

The Meta on this combo is absolutely the M6. It was from the start. BUT both it and the Genesis X are challenging and can lose the back end in 3rd out of the tighter corners. I'm enjoying watching everyone roll out in these and then crash as soon as they try and accelerate on medium tyres. Frankly, I think most people would do a lot better in the GTR as, although it understeers, it's very quick on the straights and much less prone to facing the wrong way. I haven't tried the Corvette, but it should be in a similar boat to the GTR.



* - MR cars will be unstable on the chicane and generally don't have enough torque for the track.
** - This thing drives very differently to other cars. It will easily spin up the rears in 3rd and needs careful and thoughtful shifting.
 
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Alternatives to the M6 which should be competitive are;

Genesis X, GR Supra, Corvette, both GTRs. If you want an MR, try the VW GTi or the Ford GT LM Race Car (the white one)



The Meta on this combo is absolutely the M6. It was from the start. BUT both it and the Genesis X are challenging and can lose the back end in 3rd out of the tighter corners. I'm enjoying watching everyone roll out in these and then crash as soon as they try and accelerate on medium tyres. Frankly, I think most people would do a lot better in the GTR as, although it understeers, it's very quick on the straights and much less prone to facing the wrong way. I haven't tried the Corvette, but it should be in a similar boat to the GTR.
Thanks for that. I have little qualms with using the meta but the tire wear scares me because, other than being not very fast, it's my greatest weakness in a race.

I never did get a chance to race today, but I think I will tomorrow. It's been hard getting my Q into the 42's. My optimal was a low 42 but I haven't been able to execute. The track is deceptively difficult.
 
Please report back if you find something new. Reading through this thread, the Porsche seems good. I just got home and will attempt more qualifying in the M6 but would like to hear some other race options. Maybe something good on tires.

McLaren is okay too from what I heard, besides Porsche.
 
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Thanks for that. I have little qualms with using the meta but the tire wear scares me because, other than being not very fast, it's my greatest weakness in a race.

I never did get a chance to race today, but I think I will tomorrow. It's been hard getting my Q into the 42's. My optimal was a low 42 but I haven't been able to execute. The track is deceptively difficult.
I struggle with a 5th lap on softs in the M6 but I have done 4m6s in the GTR and it was ok (I tried a 3m7s but that didn't go well). It seems quickest to do 5/5 in it though.
 
So I do NOT think there were any changes to the vehicles that made the M6 and Genessis the meta. I believe and "feel" rather that this route fits the special characteristics of these 2 cars. And this is mainly due to the fact that you need a lot of torque in the lower and middle speed range, because the top speed is not really needed anywhere on the track.

In addition to the 2 favorites, i.e. M6 and Genesis, I think you should take a closer look at the Mustang, the SLS and similar. (I had already mentioned and tested other possible vehicles yesterday)

For steering wheel drivers... my tip: simply use TCS on 1 in the race if you have problems with tire wear. Because if that's the case, you already have too much spinning rear wheels anyway, which means that it doesn't make any difference in the race whether you lose time through TCS or through spinning, it's more like TCS is faster AND you have longer something from the SOFT tires.
With the TCS1 on the steering wheel I can do 5 laps WITHOUT RELAXATION and I still have more than enough on the tyres, I haven't tested it yet, but I think I would probably be able to do 6 laps with it without being slower than with medium tyres .

Players on gamepad, try the countersteering assistant.
If you want to drive the M6, go to the Nordschleife CE and screw your times there to GOLD and then better.... 2-3 hours and you probably have the M6 much better under control, since the Nordschleife compared to W.G. is much more demanding.
 
So I do NOT think there were any changes to the vehicles that made the M6 and Genessis the meta. I believe and "feel" rather that this route fits the special characteristics of these 2 cars. And this is mainly due to the fact that you need a lot of torque in the lower and middle speed range, because the top speed is not really needed anywhere on the track.

In addition to the 2 favorites, i.e. M6 and Genesis, I think you should take a closer look at the Mustang, the SLS and similar. (I had already mentioned and tested other possible vehicles yesterday)

For steering wheel drivers... my tip: simply use TCS on 1 in the race if you have problems with tire wear. Because if that's the case, you already have too much spinning rear wheels anyway, which means that it doesn't make any difference in the race whether you lose time through TCS or through spinning, it's more like TCS is faster AND you have longer something from the SOFT tires.
With the TCS1 on the steering wheel I can do 5 laps WITHOUT RELAXATION and I still have more than enough on the tyres, I haven't tested it yet, but I think I would probably be able to do 6 laps with it without being slower than with medium tyres .

Players on gamepad, try the countersteering assistant.
If you want to drive the M6, go to the Nordschleife CE and screw your times there to GOLD and then better.... 2-3 hours and you probably have the M6 much better under control, since the Nordschleife compared to W.G. is much more demanding.
I agree entirely about torque being a critical factor at WG. It's particularly important up the hill through the esses and out of "the toe". You also need the car to be able to manage attacking the kerbs through the chicane.

I'm not sure if the Mustang and SLS have enough mid range torque? They're good from low speed, but that's not where the real difference is felt on this track. This is making me wonder if the Viper might be a sleeper?
 
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So I do NOT think there were any changes to the vehicles that made the M6 and Genessis the meta. I believe and "feel" rather that this route fits the special characteristics of these 2 cars. And this is mainly due to the fact that you need a lot of torque in the lower and middle speed range, because the top speed is not really needed anywhere on the track.

In addition to the 2 favorites, i.e. M6 and Genesis, I think you should take a closer look at the Mustang, the SLS and similar. (I had already mentioned and tested other possible vehicles yesterday)

For steering wheel drivers... my tip: simply use TCS on 1 in the race if you have problems with tire wear. Because if that's the case, you already have too much spinning rear wheels anyway, which means that it doesn't make any difference in the race whether you lose time through TCS or through spinning, it's more like TCS is faster AND you have longer something from the SOFT tires.
With the TCS1 on the steering wheel I can do 5 laps WITHOUT RELAXATION and I still have more than enough on the tyres, I haven't tested it yet, but I think I would probably be able to do 6 laps with it without being slower than with medium tyres .

Players on gamepad, try the countersteering assistant.
If you want to drive the M6, go to the Nordschleife CE and screw your times there to GOLD and then better.... 2-3 hours and you probably have the M6 much better under control, since the Nordschleife compared to W.G. is much more demanding.

Personally, I'll never use TCS. Crutches might make you faster but it won't make you any better. I'm striving to get better; DR is secondary or even tertiary. Over time, I hope to manage tires better but I have had some brutal spins on the final laps of races due to not being careful enough.
 
I agree entirely about torque being a critical factor at WG. It's particularly important up the hill through the esses and out of "the toe". You also need the car to be able to manage attacking the kerbs through the chicane.

I'm not sure if the Mustang and SLS have enough mid range torque? They're good from low speed, but that's not where the real difference is felt on this track. This is making me wonder if the Viper might be a sleeper?
Unfortunately, I don't have all the torque curves of the vehicles in my head, but I'll sit down and take a closer look at more vehicles under BoP settings, of course.

In terms of the technical principle, the structure and the drive...yes, the Viper should be an option, at least on paper, but I've never ridden it as a Gr3.

You could also try the Ford GT LM Spec II "TESTCAR", it has the same engine as the RaceCar, but a different gearbox.... maybe it's even an advantage here, but be careful, it's a bit more unstable than the RaceCar mentioned .
I also don't have the data from DB1 in my head at the moment... maybe that's also a possibility.

@BigSarj

You can see THAT if you like... but just look at it, that regular GT3 vehicles also use TCS and also in ACC TCS is more of a blessing than a curse... well.

Everyone as he likes, but whether you are necessarily better if you are always slower in principle and in the long run than someone who drives with TCS is at least a matter for discussion.
Crutch or not in the race what counts is continuity and the best possible average lap time. And if TCS enables exactly this, from the "success-oriented point of view" it would be at least suboptimal not to use it.
 
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Personally, I'll never use TCS. Crutches might make you faster but it won't make you any better. I'm striving to get better; DR is secondary or even tertiary. Over time, I hope to manage tires better but I have had some brutal spins on the final laps of races due to not being careful enough.
Learning to manage tyres was an enormous breakthrough for me. I spent a long time wondering how those around me could do it without losing time. What I eventually realised was that I was braking too late, too hard and too much. That turned out to be the key that unlocked a VERY big step forward in my overall driving skill and my speed everywhere.

It taught me that what you are doing (trying to get better and learn how to manage the various aspects of racing without assists) has a big and sudden payoff. Keep at it man, there's an alien inside you trying to get out.


alien high kick GIF
 
I pitted at the end of lap 5. Behind and ahead of several others who pitted at the end of lap 5. The person who hit me from behind was pitting also. So, your point is...?
My point is that you said you pitted in every lap. And got hit by "fools".

I got hit once too, just drove on and pitted the lap after that. No pen

Edit: on the spin at exits in the M6, if you keep the turbo spooled up through the turn it is less prone to spin.
 
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