GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Showery_thorn]

I do wonder too what some people think when they start last, see all the cars pit and end up been first because they are the only ones to not pit. Had it on the manufacture race at weekend on my Asia AC. Was leading then pitted and came out 2nd. I assumed they maybe pitted on L1, but then I realised they didn’t stop at all. Then they started to block and race me thinking they was going to win. Bet they were devastated when they crossed the line in P2 to then see there name drop down to P14.




Does this mean we have heavy damage activated at Watkins Glen and it needs a pit stop to repair?

Noit just last a few seconds

 

[Cherryturbo]

What I eventually realised was that I was braking too late, too hard and too much.

I have tried the “slow in, fast out” option myself and whilst it’s great for a Q lap, it’s not so great in the races as far too many folks are still trying for the “fast in, fast out” option.

If everyone was a little more circumspect the racing would be far more interesting. Not gonna happen tho’ as too many folks want to drive fast continuously and damn the consequences, both to themselves and also anyone they perceive to be “in the way”.

In my experience, “slow in, fast out” is treated by too many as “being in the way”. Personally, I seem to spend far too much time looking in the mirror rather than at the track ahead.

Online Racing in a nutshell I guess. No real consequences for dubious driving.

 

[xMAXIx79]

I have tried the “slow in, fast out” option myself and whilst it’s great for a Q lap, it’s not so great in the races as far too many folks are still trying for the “fast in, fast out” option.

If everyone was a little more circumspect the racing would be far more interesting. Not gonna happen tho’ as too many folks want to drive fast continuously and damn the consequences, both to themselves and also anyone they perceive to be “in the way”.

In my experience, “slow in, fast out” is treated by too many as “being in the way”. Personally, I seem to spend far too much time looking in the mirror rather than at the track ahead.

Online Racing in a nutshell I guess. No real consequences for dubious driving.

Option 1. If you want to ride "Slow In Fast Out" and someone is behind you, you also need to adjust your line so a "Fast In Slow Out" rider can't cut you inside and push you off.

option 2
If you want to "Slow In Fast Out" without a defensive line, you need to adjust your "In Line" accordingly, take the beginning of the turn further, advance the apex a little, and exit the turn in as straight a line as possible with a lot of excess speed. Due to the long drive into the curve, the "Fast In Slow Out Drivers" will not be able or want to follow you, they take the curve quite tight at the beginning and usually only hit a late apex. This allows you to overtake them directly in the corner or afterwards, as you have a clear advantage in speed.

So-called "Slow In Fast Out" drivers tend to leave the entrance of the corner wide open and a driver following directly is absolutely right and able to cleanly enter here as long as his line doesn't already match that of the corner upon entry Front man collided.

So, yes, overtaking with a dive bomb IF the lead vehicle is hit isn't fair, but when the lead vehicle at every turn is the invitation to do so...then don't be surprised.

BTW: I also much prefer to drive clean and smooth laps and corners without forcing the car too much, but you don't have to be a "victim" of dive bombs to do that.

 

[B80]

Pfft, should get your eyes tested then:
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(little gag for our Brits there)

Also:
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Also also:

Genesis Reveals Vision Gran Turismo Concept and GT Championship Racers

Genesis has unveiled a trio of new racing car concepts designed in collaboration with Gran Turismo, destined to take their places in the racing game series in the near future. The Korean marque, part of the Hyundai Motor Group alongside Kia and electric sub-brand Ioniq, unveiled the three cars du

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Genesis Joins the Gran Turismo World Series as Official Partner

Genesis Motor, one of the world's newest car manufacturers, is now an official partner of the Gran Turismo World Series, the flagship esports series hosted by Gran Turismo 7. Founded in 2015, Genesis is a brand that you might not immediately recognize although it greatly depends on where you are.

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That makes sense. Here in the UK you get a free pass to park where you please, tailgate on motorways (other drivers should know to get out tge way by now ) and not bother with indicators if driving an audi, bmw, merc and any other vehicle in the 'aspirational' category...

 

[Roggers]

For steering wheel drivers... my tip: simply use TCS on 1 in the race if you have problems with tire wear. Because if that's the case, you already have too much spinning rear wheels anyway, which means that it doesn't make any difference in the race whether you lose time through TCS or through spinning, it's more like TCS is faster AND you have longer something from the SOFT tires.
With the TCS1 on the steering wheel I can do 5 laps WITHOUT RELAXATION and I still have more than enough on the tyres, I haven't tested it yet, but I think I would probably be able to do 6 laps with it without being slower than with medium tyres .

Agree with you on this. I’m still learning TCS0 but in Quali I will run TCS0 and then in the race TCS1 so the car is more stable. Ive only used the Hyundai so far and I find the soft tyres are holding up well and I can easily make it too lap 6. I found this is quicker than doing 5&5 split.

 

[Meythia]

That makes sense. Here in the UK you get a free pass to park where you please, tailgate on motorways (other drivers should know to get out tge way by now ) and not bother with indicators if driving an audi, bmw, merc and any other vehicle in the 'aspirational' category...

I was in Wales for a period of 3 month and it definitly looked like that after leaving the airport.
But there was one other thing that caught my attention: a pink Subaru WRX with white logo. I think this one existed in GT1 as a premade design

Ontopic: I dont really do Gr.3 and Gr.4 online too much, so after last week I am a bit dissappointed to see no PP race this time.

 

[D_Dragline]

I have tried the “slow in, fast out” option myself and whilst it’s great for a Q lap, it’s not so great in the races as far too many folks are still trying for the “fast in, fast out” option.

If everyone was a little more circumspect the racing would be far more interesting. Not gonna happen tho’ as too many folks want to drive fast continuously and damn the consequences, both to themselves and also anyone they perceive to be “in the way”.

In my experience, “slow in, fast out” is treated by too many as “being in the way”. Personally, I seem to spend far too much time looking in the mirror rather than at the track ahead.

Online Racing in a nutshell I guess. No real consequences for dubious driving.

I wasn’t really referring to slow in, fast out in my post (although that’s how I try and drive). Where I had an epiphany was that I had been braking late, but I had also been holding heavy braking for too long. Even when I was braking earlier. This was not allowing me to maximize mid-corner speed. I was effectively slow in-slow out. The change I made was to concentrate on the least braking necessary for each turn.

I still find that I overbrake in tense situations and have to remind myself that “less is more”.

 

[Talon16]

Did some Glen races yesterday on the main and second account.

Main - Struggled to put in a good quali (I know I am leaving a ton of time out there so I need to practice more) so I was starting in P10-P13, but finished in about the same spot. Best finish was a P9 in the M6. Had the pleasure of being on the Kie stream as well for a couple race... but no drama. The A/A+ lobbies are pretty stacked right now, I think people are excited about the new track which is cool to see. Sure doesn't help fudds like me, though.

Second - Did a few races on this account, too. Very first race was a cheater/hacker in the lobby... the one where he starts driving away 10 seconds before anyone else can. I knew something was up when he had the purple lap at 1:38.X. A-hole.

Put in a faux quali lap (did it on M tires) as I was tired of starting last. Ended up starting P4 and won the race in the FT-1. It was a B/C lobby so nothing to write home about but it is often more fun than the A account. I had four on track passes (one was a car that hadn't pit yet) and everyone raced clean; kudos to them all.

The FT-1 is a ton of fun. It's very stable and good on tires. Would it compete in the A/A+ lobby? No (unless you're an alien which I am not). But, if you have a burner account I would recommend giving it a shot.

 

[Fezzik]

Love the FT-1. Nice livery.

 

[bilbobeuli]

Keep at it man, there's an alien inside you trying to get out.

Damn, I love that quote!

I’ll be joining this community in a few weeks I hope, I’m searching for a PS5 currently, no luck so far.

Quick question: is there BOP in sport mode or not? I’ve been reading a lot of yes and no answers

 

[Nebuc72]

Damn, I love that quote!

I’ll be joining this community in a few weeks I hope, I’m searching for a PS5 currently, no luck so far.

Quick question: is there BOP in sport mode or not? I’ve been reading a lot of yes and no answers

Yes and no is the answer, it depends on the series. Most group races will be BoP'd though.

 

[xMAXIx79]

I wasn’t really referring to slow in, fast out in my post (although that’s how I try and drive). Where I had an epiphany was that I had been braking late, but I had also been holding heavy braking for too long. Even when I was braking earlier. This was not allowing me to maximize mid-corner speed. I was effectively slow in-slow out. The change I made was to concentrate on the least braking necessary for each turn.

I still find that I overbrake in tense situations and have to remind myself that “less is more”.

If you don't do it... drive by ear a lot... crank up the tire noise to the maximum and listen carefully to what the tires are telling you when braking and cornering. I find it even more "understandable" than what I can hear from the tires in ACC.

But yes, working out bit by bit how much speed is possible in the curve is worth its weight in gold.. but not only the speed counts, but also how your car "stands", how much brake / accelerator pedal is applied AND what noise your tires are currently making.

Anyway, it helps me to get faster bit by bit, because I don't watch videos of the aliens to copy their driving.. which is also possible ;D!

And again and again....." TRAILBRAKE"


@bilbobeuli
Why necessarily a PS5? A PS4 Pro will do for now...... and so it seems... it's busier in the lobbies if you have a PS4.

 

[bilbobeuli]

Yes and no is the answer, it depends on the series. Most group races will be BoP'd though.

Thanks for the quick answer! As long as the GT2, 3 and 4s are reasonably BOP'd like they were in GT Sport I’m happy

@bilbobeuli
Why necessarily a PS5? A PS4 Pro will do for now...... and so it seems... it's busier in the lobbies if you have a PS4.

idiotic me already had a PS5 but sold it to my brother, and I’ve also sold my PS4 as well. And if I’m going back to Sony I may as well go with the current gen and be prepared for the next years in gaming.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Yeah as suspected, I am just not fast enough at the Glen, all the fast corners disagree with my style. Down to a 43.8 with thr genesis and 45s and 46s on softs I'm the race but that's just not fast enough and then I make mistakes too.

Saw you yesterday, I'm in the same boat. I'm not A/A+ DR at Watkins Glen but still sorted there due to being that speed at Daytona in the 787B (last time I raced in GT7)

I was driving the Genesis X without TCS and only hit 1:45 once on softs. So I'm more of a DR.B driver at that track or simply need to get faster. Yet the painfully slow way DR adjusts is very demotivating. I've done about 8 races now at the Glen, just driving behind the pack lol. The only positions gained from those that quit.

But then I got close in the last race, gained a few places and I get bumped off. It was not intentional, he gave the position back, but another car got through and the game gave me an ignoring track limits penalty for getting bumped wide. So lost the position anyway, back to last.

DR or rather matchmaking should really be track dependent. Waiting for my DR to adjust down to where I can compete is very boring.

 

[Roggers]

Thanks for the quick answer! As long as the GT2, 3 and 4s are reasonably BOP'd like they were in GT Sport I’m happy

We not had much GT2 racing in Sport mode but with the little racing we have had, it’s been pretty evenly matched.
GT3 i think is quite even. MR cars are terrible at the minute. You get your meta cars for each track but you still get a few other options that can compete.
GT4 I personally think is broken on bop. 4wd cars dominate pretty much every race.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

In my opinion Gr4 BoP was broken in GTS too and now it's just broken in a different way.
In GTS they used higher multiplyers on tire to make the race more even. Not in GT7, yet at least
Gr3 was well functioning in GTS but due to physics changes it isn't yet so in GT7

Hopefully it will be, the sooner the better.....

 

[NevilleNobody]

Saw you yesterday, I'm in the same boat. I'm not A/A+ DR at Watkins Glen but still sorted there due to being that speed at Daytona in the 787B (last time I raced in GT7)

I was driving the Genesis X without TCS and only hit 1:45 once on softs. So I'm more of a DR.B driver at that track or simply need to get faster. Yet the painfully slow way DR adjusts is very demotivating. I've done about 8 races now at the Glen, just driving behind the pack lol. The only positions gained from those that quit.

But then I got close in the last race, gained a few places and I get bumped off. It was not intentional, he gave the position back, but another car got through and the game gave me an ignoring track limits penalty for getting bumped wide. So lost the position anyway, back to last.

DR or rather matchmaking should really be track dependent. Waiting for my DR to adjust down to where I can compete is very boring.

I kept waiting for you to appear in my rearview but yeah you're off the pace, even vs me! I got hit with the ridiculous pit penalty too.

The final sector is killing me, I a losing a SOLID half second a lap to guys I am racing in 13th or 14th through the last left hander then another 2 to 3 tenths through the final corner.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Race C at the Glen has been a blast. I am so happy they added that track, it's great for racing and results in pretty good, merit-based racing in most examples. It's such a good risk/reward test of commitment lap after lap, which makes for fun races.

I was actually doing well starting on softs no matter where I started, getting ahead of the scrums in the first two laps, and nabbing top-5s by being clean, even without super pace. But after a couple of days people were getting nastier and I had a few run-ins with some pigs last night. So it was a crapshoot and my best result last night ended up being when I started on M's from 12th and ran up to 7th by the finish. I actually forgot to start on S's in that race but it worked out just fine as I was able to race even up with the BMW's that started in front of me and I got the best of a few of them in the end. Nonetheless it is a great combo and the Glen is a fantastic surprise addition to the game.

And despite the popularity of the META BMW for this race, I've enjoyed some decent runs in the Supra (which is good for keeping up through the first sector) and even more effectively, the Vette (which is SO FORGIVING as a race car). I've never been able to get the speed out of the BMW so it's not a hard choice for me.

(Even got to race with @NevilleNobody for the first time, I think! That was cool!)

Really cool that they added this track. Looking forward to some Gr.1 action as well as SF others.

 

[RunSwimFly]

I've been wondering what sort of lap time difference the same driver will get on Watkins between one of the preferred vehicles (M6, Genesis) and something that's further down the rankings. After trying the M6 and Genesis and a few others I've gone back to the WRX. In that I'm doing 1:45s on softs and 1:46s on mediums in qualifying and a second or more slower in race on each. But I'm a B and occasional C grader. I was able to do similar times with both the M6 and the Genesis without putting many laps in but I'm just not able to lap consistently without a catastrophic loss of rear traction at some point in a 10 lap race, particularly when I have to vary lines to deal with traffic. And I'd rather race a slower car with TCS off than put it on. Seeing it blink on and off as I go around a bend while everything is well in order isn't inspiring even if I could perhaps lap faster with it.

I seemed to be a bit more competitive at Spa last week. Not sure if it was me, if the track suited the car better or if it was down to it being a fuel saver for some while the WRX was often able to squeak through without short shifting or leaning out the fuel mix. Not that I'm complaining. Watkins is a lot of fun. Now if they could make the pit entry and exit a little less exacting ...

 

[Mercia]

I've enjoyed some decent runs in the Supra (which is good for keeping up through the first sector) and even more effectively, the Vette (which is SO FORGIVING as a race car).

Yeah the Chevy and the Genesis X are the closest I've come to my M6 time, by a couple of tenths, so they definitely have pace. Not tried the Supra, will give it a run tonight with the GTR.

Couldn't get anything out of the BRZ it was 2 seconds off pace for me.

It's nice to see they've improved the M6 though it was super squirrelly on launch but if you can find something more stable, you can pass some spinners who are still having trouble with it.

 

[bilbobeuli]

GT3 i think is quite even. MR cars are terrible at the minute. You get your meta cars for each track but you still get a few other options that can compete.

Hah! Good thing I never cared much for the meta, I mostly drove my trusty Lexus RC F GT3. God I loved that thing, I hope it’s still a stable and reliable lady in GT7.

 

[Roggers]

Argh! Picked up a penalty on pit entry. Has to be one of the worst pit entries on the game.
Decent race again. Hyundai is decent on the soft tyres so am able to capitalise on the M6 when they struggle towards the end of the stints.
Made an error and forgot to fit medium tyres before the race starts. Running P4 and car ahead pits L4 and I’m adjusting my racing line to avoid not hitting them it allowed P5 to have a run on me on the pit straight. Did the opposite to P4 on lap 5 so pitted and got the 3 second which cost me. If I didn’t have the 3 seconds I would have jumped that car ahead instead they filter out just infront of me. Just didn’t have the pace to past them, running 0.500-1second for the last 5 laps. Finished P6 and car behind made a good move on me I’m the bus stop.

What you think to the penalty? Harsh or fair?

 

[RunSwimFly]

Argh! Picked up a penalty on pit entry. Has to be one of the worst pit entries on the game.

It's awful. Like trying to walk a tightrope after running a marathon. Not that I'd be capable of either.

Couldn't get anything out of the BRZ it was 2 seconds off pace for me.

Cheers, helps to answer my earlier question which was stuck in moderator approval after I edited formatting. I've tried the BRZ as well but while it's easy to throw around the track, for me, it's a little slower. As I mention above I'm having problems with both the M6 and the Genesis with TCS off so I'm back in the WRX. Unable to find post update info online I put together this chart of BOP values for the cars that I currently own. Of course it lacks any information on drag coefficient and I'm not sure how much trust one should put in the distance and speed times that the setup screens display. So it tells me exactly nothing. Maybe it's of some small interest to someone though

 

[Mercia]

Mustang is a rocket around Watkins for those looking for something different. Can really chuck it around as well. I'm surprised the fast guys haven't put this on the leaderboard yet. Blast to drive.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

About the pit entry: yes, it's probably the tightest one in game. Is it hard? No. Adjust your speed and drive in slowly with a wheel on the curb.

Should they change it?
Absolutely not! It's like it is in real life. Adapt and overcome.

 

[jrbabbitt]

Learning to manage tyres was an enormous breakthrough for me. I spent a long time wondering how those around me could do it without losing time. What I eventually realised was that I was braking too late, too hard and too much. That turned out to be the key that unlocked a VERY big step forward in my overall driving skill and my speed everywhere.

Funny you mention this, I learned not to brake hard and late in GTS so I brake a bit early and not so hard and guess what, I AM ACCUSED OF BRAKE CHECKING!!! I get punted, I get yelled at , and I now have a bad rep as dirty...

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Funny you mention this, I learned not to brake hard and late in GTS so I brake a bit early and not so hard and guess what, I AM ACCUSED OF BRAKE CHECKING!!! I get punted, I get yelled at , and I now have a bad rep as dirty...

People are having a hard time realising there's more than one way to drive....

 

[xMAXIx79]

... Sooo, today I was almost exclusively concerned with other vehicles for W G.

The assumption was that the Viper could also keep up well here. Unfortunately, on the one hand, it is cut too severely by the BOP, it loses around 200 NM and a lot of horsepower, and on the other hand, it has a gear ratio that doesn't suit my taste so well. Otherwise, the Viper drives very well. I was totally surprised how good / neutral the Viper behaves and especially how much traction it has out of the corners, but that would be different if it had a different gear ratio and 50 to 100 NM more. (see picture 1 and 2 ... I switched from AT to MT about half of the rounds)


I tried the R8 Evo, but hell that thing wanted to kill me in the first corner... and in the chicane the car looked for a different exit every lap. It could be fast... BUT ...too hard to ride for me to race.


Sooooo now to my surprise, I NEVER thought it was possible. The BMW M3 GT3 '11. Damn this car is soooooo fun to drive. YES the top speed is meager, but the part loves and lives curves, my previous times were ~1.43.5xx more could be possible and this car also has great traction as long as you are careful with the 2nd gear.


My last test today hit the DB1. See picture 3. damn.. from the pure performance data I would not have thought that he could do that (especially I think there is a lot more to do if I master him) On the straight to the chicane I thought: "Of course it was the car has to be pushed.. let's not do that.." Then came the chicane and the curves to the end of S2....
Then I just thought: "They can't be serious... the Car is incredibly stable AND fast..."
Unfortunately, I didn't have enough time to drive the car any further. For comparison, with the M6 I currently have a 1.42.6xx, so I feel the DB1 is at least within striking distance. In direct comparison to all the cars tested today, the DB1 had a completely different brake. I had to step in a lot harder than with everyone else and still the wheels locked up much later than with others, so I think the brakes could be controlled very well as a result.


I hope I didn't write total crap in the eyes of the A+ pros here... and maybe one or the other would like to test one of these cars for themselves.

 

[bone_tone]

Argh! Picked up a penalty on pit entry. Has to be one of the worst pit entries on the game.
Decent race again. Hyundai is decent on the soft tyres so am able to capitalise on the M6 when they struggle towards the end of the stints.
Made an error and forgot to fit medium tyres before the race starts. Running P4 and car ahead pits L4 and I’m adjusting my racing line to avoid not hitting them it allowed P5 to have a run on me on the pit straight. Did the opposite to P4 on lap 5 so pitted and got the 3 second which cost me. If I didn’t have the 3 seconds I would have jumped that car ahead instead they filter out just infront of me. Just didn’t have the pace to past them, running 0.500-1second for the last 5 laps. Finished P6 and car behind made a good move on me I’m the bus stop.

What you think to the penalty? Harsh or fair?View attachment 1167246

Looks harsh to me.

Somebody overtook me going into the pits today, which means they must have had all four wheels the wrong side of the line - no penalty though!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Looks harsh to me.

Somebody overtook me going into the pits today, which means they must have had all four wheels the wrong side of the line - no penalty though!

There's no penalty before you go out of pits. It's legal to cross the lines when not pitting so the pen can't be given before you're in the pit.
Did he come out of pit ahead of you? Sometimes the pen doesn't show before you are past the line.