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Whoops, a typo put me 10 seconds clear of everyone else.
GT7 Daily Race Discussion
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- sturk0167
I have something to say about the reasons that I, and others like racing from the back.
I'll use last week's Daytona Tri-Oval race as an example.
I was fortunate enough to figure out the qualifying method, and could start on the pole anytime I wanted to.
I did that 3 times, and got two wins and a second place. I did not enjoy a single one of those three races, because I was using my "good" account. Most of the time, when I race as A+, I have zero fun. The problem is that the people I am racing are usually really fast, and I feel a lot of pressure to drive mistake-free, so I don't screw up my driver rating.
The other 30+ times I entered that race were on my alt account, starting at the back. I had a blast in those races, because I felt no pressure to perform. Sure, I hoped to get podium finishes, but it really didn't matter. In some of those races, I got smashed into, and ended up last. It was a little bit frustrating, but not upsetting. I mostly laughed about it. If that happened on my main account, I would have been super pissed off.
The point I want to make is that when the results become the most important thing, your level of enjoyment plummets.
When I race for fun, that's typically what I get from it.
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Interestingly, when I compare the stats of my accounts, I'm actually having more success, result-wise, on my "I don't care"-account. And lately: more fun, too. I'm now trying to treat my main account the same. Which is not as easy as it sounds...😆The other 30+ times I entered that race were on my alt account, starting at the back. I had a blast in those races, because I felt no pressure to perform. Sure, I hoped to get podium finishes, but it really didn't matter. In some of those races, I got smashed into, and ended up last. It was a little bit frustrating, but not upsetting. I mostly laughed about it. If that happened on my main account, I would have been super pissed off.
The point I want to make is that when the results become the most important thing, your level of enjoyment plummets.
When I race for fun, that's typically what I get from it.
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- Fezzik1983
Same. A few more like this though and the backup will overtake the main.
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I think that the problem is participation more than anything. There's apparently a lot less people racing in the Americas and that translates into very mixed lobbies where there's superfast A+people up front and slower people in the back.
This puts unrealistic expectations on the people racing about getting further up and as such making many of them overdrive their races.
And you all know that when you overdrive you are much more prone to mistakes and take far more chances. I know I am/do
I have long ago found my place is low to mid B Dr and S SR. I just don't go any faster than that. Possibly because I don't pick my races but races everything. But knowing that also makes me much more appreciative of a good battle for 12th, because I know my win percent is about 1.
My good race percent is much higher.
And about American racing and contact? You should watch some BTCC or DTM from the 90's.....
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- Sinnicko
This is a solid advice it took me some time to understand.
Races are way more enjoyable when you see it in that way instead of looking for chances to retaliate.
A few days ago in daily C, unintentionally punted some guy before the bus stop chicane at Daytona.
100% my fault.
This caused this guy to miss the apex but fortunately he didnt spun.
He lost momentum and had to brake to avoid penalty exiting the chicane. I lifted waiting for his recovery and then we start racing again. Im on his slipstream until he decides to retaliate with a massive brake test on the straight wich left me with big damages.
Few laps after this I clean passed him but hes not happy with the first incident, and he dedicates the rest of the race to hunt me on every corner dive bombing me off the track.
I didnt have any history with him, first time I saw his name on a race.
We have to understand that sometimes other people just make mistakes.
In this case, it was obvious because I didnt pass him after the punt and patiently waited for his recovery to start racing again.
However, In his mind Im surely the worst dirty driver of the world 🤷♂️
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Lunging on lap one because there is no penalty system is not a mistake. The vast majority of issues being complained about in this thread recently happen on lap 1. The result is either, you manage to stay near your original grid position and then are given the gift of being able to actually race on lap 2+ or you got punted/pushed and are way in the back and have to deal with the most toxic elements known to man.
Looking at youtube, this is probably less of an issue in the European servers as it appears they have a larger pool of players than we do. You either end up in the front on lap 1 or you deal with trash. Likely the people causing trash on lap 1 know this and that's why they go for the lunges. Thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Without a penalty system, or any consequences of any kind, I refuse to call this game competitive. Maybe at A+, but I've been in D to A lobbies in the last month and the driving IS NOT better on NA servers. The only tier I can't verify is A+. I've raced with A+ drivers but they are probably on the lower end as the lobbies are mostly A drivers. It's not a large enough sample size to say that tier of driver has the same issues. Humans are humans, and any unenforced rules aren't rules at all. Look at driving and cell phones. Illegal pretty much everywhere, but it's not enforced so everyone does it. On the NA servers, from D to A lobbies, this game is just as bad as Forza online IMO. I don't see a whole lot of difference in the driving, only the physics make Forza more ridiculous, not the driving or drivers.
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Couldn't agree more with this. I have more races on my #2 account than I do my #1 account for those reasons.I have something to say about the reasons that I, and others like racing from the back.
I'll use last week's Daytona Tri-Oval race as an example.
I was fortunate enough to figure out the qualifying method, and could start on the pole anytime I wanted to.
I did that 3 times, and got two wins and a second place. I did not enjoy a single one of those three races, because I was using my "good" account. Most of the time, when I race as A+, I have zero fun. The problem is that the people I am racing are usually really fast, and I feel a lot of pressure to drive mistake-free, so I don't screw up my driver rating.
The other 30+ times I entered that race were on my alt account, starting at the back. I had a blast in those races, because I felt no pressure to perform. Sure, I hoped to get podium finishes, but it really didn't matter. In some of those races, I got smashed into, and ended up last. It was a little bit frustrating, but not upsetting. I mostly laughed about it. If that happened on my main account, I would have been super pissed off.
The point I want to make is that when the results become the most important thing, your level of enjoyment plummets.
When I race for fun, that's typically what I get from it.
When I am on my A+ account, I put pressure on myself to live up to that standard and drive really well. I end up putting more time into the quali so I can start towards the top (as we all know things get dirtier the further down one starts), and feel like I have to use the META car or I won't be able to compete. On top of that, if I am doing my thing and the other A+ drivers are doing their thing, more often than not it's just a parade session where everyone is hitting braking points/apexes/etc. well, and passing is virtually non-existent. Obviously, this isn't always the case, but more often than not it seems to be. It's often a lot more stressful and less exciting at the same time.
Sometimes I don't mind going try-hard, especially if a track/car combo suites me. Racing hard with other A+ drivers can definitely be super fun. A lot of people say your DR doesn't matter... just do your races and it will end up where it ends up. I don't agree. Maybe it's my competitive nature. GT7 is the first GT series I played online mode and I worked hard to go from D to get that A+ rating; I don't want to lose it simply because I want to try out the Bugatti in some Gr4 races (which I did many times in last week's B). I do like keeping the #1 account as the A+ (so much as I can help it) because sometimes if one of my favorite streamers to watch is racing (like Z28 or GroveStreet from the US side (not to exclude the EU guys but timing usually isn't there)), I can jump online and race in their lobby which is fun too. I've been able to go wheel to wheel with - or at least be in the same lobby as - Z28, Grove, Digit, Wind, Kie, Aura, and SuperGT
Whereas when I race the #2 account (which flirts between DR A & B and I keep it there on purpose) I can start where ever I want, use whatever car I want, and don't care too much if something happens to me during the race (short of now having to wait until the next race starts). But, if I just want to mess around and not have to worry about any of the aforementioned stuff, the #2 account is perfect for that.
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jrbabbitt
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Oh and by the way, if you look about a few posts above your soap box preach you will find I posted my one and only win on the Daytona race C, videos included.
Not in the Meta Car ie Nissan GT-R....
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tbh even the big time youtubers in A+/S lobbies are argy bargy much of the time. Rarely do I see a clean overtake, most of the time it's "ope lemme just slip up the inside here" with some contact between the two cars and then carry on. Not dive bombs but definitely not "no touch racing".
That being said, closed cockpit covered wheel cars can take a bit of rubbing/bumping between them before an actual incident happens.
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3 second places today in the Mustang, there’s always someone a little bit faster. A productive day though, backup account (DrStantz84, for any Euros I may encounter) is now up to B/S. I guess that means I headed to the back of the grid now.
I read people have been having a lot of issues, and I have in the past, but this has been for the most part clean hard racing. I don’t usually get to participate during the weekdays so maybe it’s a different crowd, a pleasant discovery.
I read people have been having a lot of issues, and I have in the past, but this has been for the most part clean hard racing. I don’t usually get to participate during the weekdays so maybe it’s a different crowd, a pleasant discovery.
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Daily C is so boring. Ive done one race and that is enough for me.
So tried the GTR in time trial and the handling is awful. Best lap I did was 1.59. Jumped in to the corvette and best lap was 1.57. During the race I started P14, and finished P11 only due to others spinning, crashing or quitting.
Bring on Bathurst next week.
So tried the GTR in time trial and the handling is awful. Best lap I did was 1.59. Jumped in to the corvette and best lap was 1.57. During the race I started P14, and finished P11 only due to others spinning, crashing or quitting.
Bring on Bathurst next week.
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Well, here's my weekly complaint that I've suddenly forgotten how to drive (Race B). I keep doing Qualifying, and even though my QT is 44.162, I can barely crack 45 seconds. It's the oddest thing, and like I said, it happens almost every week to me. Eventually I figure out what I started doing wrong.
One week it was trail braking too much so I didn't allow the car to round the corner like it does when I'm completely off the brakes. This time it's the last turns, and I've just lost the knack of rounding the next-to-last corner correctly, then getting lined up for the final corner with the proper speed and line. It makes me wonder how I ever did it, even though I can watch my Replay and see it happening with my own eyes.
I tried switching cars, because sometimes that helps me when I go back to my main car - which is the Mustang this time, although I wish it was the Viper, because that thing is awesome-looking. In fact, here's two of my Viper liveries. I don't know if I like the blue or red better:
Oops, looks like I didn't add the GTPlanet logos to my window banner on this one:
Here's my Mustang's livery, which isn't too bad but it's no Viper:
An additional call-out to this forum:
Hopefully after writing this, things will change for the better. They always do, each week, but man do I hate these times of blundering around. Old age, I guess.
One week it was trail braking too much so I didn't allow the car to round the corner like it does when I'm completely off the brakes. This time it's the last turns, and I've just lost the knack of rounding the next-to-last corner correctly, then getting lined up for the final corner with the proper speed and line. It makes me wonder how I ever did it, even though I can watch my Replay and see it happening with my own eyes.
I tried switching cars, because sometimes that helps me when I go back to my main car - which is the Mustang this time, although I wish it was the Viper, because that thing is awesome-looking. In fact, here's two of my Viper liveries. I don't know if I like the blue or red better:
Oops, looks like I didn't add the GTPlanet logos to my window banner on this one:
Here's my Mustang's livery, which isn't too bad but it's no Viper:
An additional call-out to this forum:
Hopefully after writing this, things will change for the better. They always do, each week, but man do I hate these times of blundering around. Old age, I guess.
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Had a lulzy Race C earlier today. Qualified 8th, got overtook into T1 on account of being too gingerly through there. Got punted into some corner or another on Lap 1 by a guy who ended up a full lap down by the end. Told him he needed to learn to drive. Maybe that was mean given how he finished...
Then I had a fight with an Alfa. And by fight I mean literal fist fight. Had a great draft out of Bus Stop towards T1. He decided it would be smart to slide up and block my run so I booped him in the butt. He didn't like that so he tried to side draft me into the grass.
I didn't like that so I let him half pit himself on my bumper.
He didn't like that and did shove me into the wall. I forgot what brakes were into T1. Unfortunately for me so did he. Fortunately for both of us we hit the tire wall about 150 mph which reset both of us at the entry to T1.
Fortunately for me I'm a better driver than he is and pulled away from there. Ended up finishing 6th on pace, but also finishing 3rd from last because of the number of people quitting.
Had a great time and definitely looking forward to doing it again. Will probs work on qualifying first though as 1:58 is slower than I know I can be.
Then I had a fight with an Alfa. And by fight I mean literal fist fight. Had a great draft out of Bus Stop towards T1. He decided it would be smart to slide up and block my run so I booped him in the butt. He didn't like that so he tried to side draft me into the grass.
I didn't like that so I let him half pit himself on my bumper.
He didn't like that and did shove me into the wall. I forgot what brakes were into T1. Unfortunately for me so did he. Fortunately for both of us we hit the tire wall about 150 mph which reset both of us at the entry to T1.
Fortunately for me I'm a better driver than he is and pulled away from there. Ended up finishing 6th on pace, but also finishing 3rd from last because of the number of people quitting.
Had a great time and definitely looking forward to doing it again. Will probs work on qualifying first though as 1:58 is slower than I know I can be.
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One last attempt at race C. Can’t drive the GTR to save my life so gave the Genesis a go, quickest lap of the week but the high 57 still only good for 12th.
Can’t compete consistently in-race with the Nissans at this higher DR, so ended up 13th. Hope for better things at Watkins next week, I really like the car.
Can’t compete consistently in-race with the Nissans at this higher DR, so ended up 13th. Hope for better things at Watkins next week, I really like the car.
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Big difference between being on a person's radar and going for a gap safely, with enough time to brake, and lunging from a million miles back and praying to the braking gods or using the cluster of cars you know will be there to slow you down. I'm totally ok with leaving space for someone who is on my radar and clearly pulls to the inside or outside of a corner to let me know what they intend to do. A normal racer would attempt to block that, but I am willing to make some sacrifices for clean racing. Generally, those people who don't lunge, and only make a move when they are actually close enough to do so, also leave space for me on the corner exit if I leave them space on the way in. The same cannot be said for the aforementioned lungers. To me a "clean overtake" is any overtake where they are close enough (on my radar) and signal their intention clearly (pull to the inside or outside before the corner). In such circumstances I will ALWAYS leave space unless there is something physically preventing me from doing so.
Watch any real race (I watch motoGP), if the overtaker isn't able to come along side by the time the apex comes they back out because they don't have the position, the person on the line does. Here again, we don't have real life FOV so sacrifices have to be made. The point of that in real life is to let the person you are attempting to overtake know that you are there so you can both make the proper racing moves. In this video game, we have the radar. This is our mechanism to "announce our intention", so everyone can make the proper racing moves. This is the part that isn't happening, mostly because the moves aren't there, they are being forced by drivers exploiting a penalty system that may as well be nonexistent. Now if someone is being an ahole and intentionally doing the same but from the perspective of the person being overtaken, then yea, go ham, push away. That isn't to say someone defends one specific line forcing you to take another, this is a perfectly viable racing move and should be expected before the braking zone. I mean the person who is weaving all over and turning into people passing politely. These people can get punted for all I care. A good race pass takes two people, but if you're behind, you should always at least give the person in front the benefit of the doubt before assuming and just punting them or pushing them in the first corner you see with some massive lunge from 8 million miles back.
A certain amount of rubbing is to be expected. It's hard to look at your radar 24/7 and because FOV is a thing, it's not as easy as it is in real life to see someone behind or to the side of you. I completely expect a bit of rubbing and that's fine. What I don't expect is to know someone is 7 tenths behind to go full send into a 180 degree corner simply because you took the racing line thinking that lunging is idiotic, because it is. Or intentionally missing a braking point by a tenth or two to make sure they give you just enough of a punt to get you off track but not enough to send you into the barrier. They won't miss a single other braking point in the entire race, so I'm sure it was just a coincidence. All of this while having absolutely NO CONSEQUENCES. What happens in real life when a lunger causes an accident, oh I know, THEY GET PENALIZED! Imagine if this game had long lap penalties, gosh I would laugh so hard seeing these people doing long laps as I drive by.
This tends to be an issue more on the first lap due to congestion and people exploiting it, but it does appear to be an issue overall as well, it's just WAY more tolerable on lap 2+ because they have to be fast enough to catch you, and you're only dealing with one person at a time mostly.
On topic though, I'm ridiculously close to a sub 44 second lap on race B, am I supposed to be trail braking in turn 1? Does anyone have any tips for braking on this. I think my throttle control is good and so is my steering. I think my braking is the issue. I think my current time is 44.0XX or something, it's super frustrating.
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I made a Mustang livery this morning that you can use. That car looks good with just about any kind of paint job.
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@RacingGrandpa How many liveries do you have for the Mustang? I'm guessing at least 40.
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ur like i was in Sport with the old Mini, i had 28 of em.. not 28 liveries, 28 Minis. all different
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2 more races for me at Daytona this evening as I didn't do any yesterday due to being ill and sleeping it off in the evening.
Race 1 has me in P9 to start. I accidentally get into the back of another driver going into turn 1 on lap 2 and get a 3 second penalty. Totally deserved on my part and I fall to P15. I do manage to get up to P7 by the last lap but I get turned entering the bus stop by a driver trying sneak me to make a pass? Or they didn't account for the extra speed being in the draft and were on the brakes too late? So, I fall to P15 and am very disappointed a great recovery drive ended in such a stupid way. Here is a clip of what happened. If it was my fault I'll take responsibility for it.
Race 2 has me in P7 and this race doesn't go my way either. On lap 2 entering turn 1, I get loose, and over correct my steering and hit the side of another driver. Not on purpose of course. Then as soon as I get going I get rear ended by another driver as I was trying to get straight, get spun, and fall to P15. I do pass a driver who was having a terrible time to take over P14 where I finish.
So, one good recovery drive ruined by a dummy and the other ruined by me being a dummy by over correcting. I guess it just wasn't my night tonight. It's still in good combo in my opinion since I actually can race the track properly and a good variety of cars are making the races not a boring GT-R one make affair. The bus stop is still giving me some troubles, but more laps under racing conditions will fix that. No racing for me tomorrow as I'm off to a local sporting event. It's the Buffalo Bandits of the National Lacrosse League (NLL) if anyone wants to check that out. I'll get back at it Saturday as I have nothing planned.
Race 1 has me in P9 to start. I accidentally get into the back of another driver going into turn 1 on lap 2 and get a 3 second penalty. Totally deserved on my part and I fall to P15. I do manage to get up to P7 by the last lap but I get turned entering the bus stop by a driver trying sneak me to make a pass? Or they didn't account for the extra speed being in the draft and were on the brakes too late? So, I fall to P15 and am very disappointed a great recovery drive ended in such a stupid way. Here is a clip of what happened. If it was my fault I'll take responsibility for it.
Race 2 has me in P7 and this race doesn't go my way either. On lap 2 entering turn 1, I get loose, and over correct my steering and hit the side of another driver. Not on purpose of course. Then as soon as I get going I get rear ended by another driver as I was trying to get straight, get spun, and fall to P15. I do pass a driver who was having a terrible time to take over P14 where I finish.
So, one good recovery drive ruined by a dummy and the other ruined by me being a dummy by over correcting. I guess it just wasn't my night tonight. It's still in good combo in my opinion since I actually can race the track properly and a good variety of cars are making the races not a boring GT-R one make affair. The bus stop is still giving me some troubles, but more laps under racing conditions will fix that. No racing for me tomorrow as I'm off to a local sporting event. It's the Buffalo Bandits of the National Lacrosse League (NLL) if anyone wants to check that out. I'll get back at it Saturday as I have nothing planned.
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The Mustang is a great canvas.
That is something I do when I need to "step away" from dailies. I create liveries. Put on some shoegazing music and get my creativity on.
I try to create a livery per week for the A-race and I have a growing portfolio of Gr.3 and 4 cars. I would consider it an honor if anyone added them to their collection - a new GT7 goal of mine is to get into a random lobby and race against my own livery!
See, managed expectations. GT7 is not going to be a place where I can cleanly race against equally-matched drivers, but I can light up some liveries between frustrating races.
I am making a lot of liveries.
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ive had this happen in a Sport Daily, its a great feeling
hopin it happens for you soon! 🤞👊
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I think that was all the Silver Nissan. You were following the "lead car" very closely but braking consistently and cleanly. The Nissan in the back thought the move was on and put his nose where no gap was going to remain. Could you have backed out and given the spot? Maybe. Should you have? No. That was your line and the line he was on was wrong for a couple reasons.
First he was never making the chicane at that angle and speed, like he only makes it because the contact slowed him down enough.
Secondly the space he was intending to take was already filled by a turning Mustang. Ideally for him he follows closely through the bus stop and tries to draft you through NASCAR 3 and 4, completing the pass right about the Start/Finish line into T1.
