GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Nebuc72]

First up, 19 seconds showing how people can respect each other and still swap positions twice. We both bungled coming out of "The Boot", and I had to make a quick decision whether to pass on the inside, or just hold back. My lack of a decision was a decision in itself, and I overtook on the inside. He came right back and overtook me in a classic move. And I did NOT pit him in the last corner, because, come on, this is how racing is supposed to look (albeit with a little more skill).


Now, a question for you guys, about Watkins Glen. I noticed something on Monday and just figured it would change over the coming days, but so far I keep seeing the same thing.

I started P5, with lots of people with QTs close to mine:
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My lap times sucked. At least, it sure seems that way to me:
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Yet the gaps in the final times are reasonably close to what you might expect:
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And this seems to happen fairly regularly this week. So my question is: Is it just that everyone finds doing the race on this course that much harder than qualifying? Or is something else going on here? I mean, with my lap times, I'd expect to be way further behind at the end. Yet this result has been fairly consistent for me, this week. Admittedly I've only done 10 races this week, so maybe the sample size is too small to draw any conclusions.

Ideas?

Qualfiying simulates your car to be on a perfect quali lap - so track conditions are identical, you have 0 fuel load and your tyre temperatures are ideal.

In the race, you start with a full load of fuel, have cold tyres, and the track conditions vary (both in wind and temperature) which also change how fast you can drive. It's mostly the fuel load making the biggest difference, but all of these things are taken into account and are why sprint race lap times are so much slower than in qualifying.

In Race C (or GTWS races) you can sometimes lap faster than in qualifying if you are on fresh softs and low fuel when you are in a slipstream, especially if the wind and temperature is on your side.

 

[deviln3]

My Italian friend here was absolutely livid about this move, thoughts?



I have a couple:

1) I got the jump off the start and it was a perfectly legitimate pass, though would be useful to know why it wasn't if you disagree?

2) This guy put me in the gravel in the previous race and while this wasn't a revenge move at all, I was not going to be feeling guilty had it not come off.

I would have personally left space on the outside for the Italian friend, and slowed down more to hug the inside line. While there was space on the inside to make the move, it doesn't mean the other car no longer exists on track, the move is not done until you're fully past the other car.

 

[hollowkatt]

My Italian friend here was absolutely livid about this move, thoughts?



I have a couple:

1) I got the jump off the start and it was a perfectly legitimate pass, though would be useful to know why it wasn't if you disagree?

2) This guy put me in the gravel in the previous race and while this wasn't a revenge move at all, I was not going to be feeling guilty had it not come off.

you're not even the reason he went off track. The green nosed car behind him punted him mid corner and that extra speed caused him to go off. He looked like he wanted to defend the inside but committed to that move too late. The WRX does rotate really well so he could have hugged the inside all the way to Hell Corner there and then taken it as normal forcing you to go wide around if you wanted the space.

Looked like there was room and you were along side before the corner entry started and he moved down into you, which caused him to bounce off a bit, and slow down, and that's when he gets punted. not your fault or responsibility.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

So, I should go into my races knowing that lap 1 should not be done at 100% since my tires are cold and my car is fat with fuel? Probably a good idea now that I think about it. I don't seem to have these problems with the regular games circuit races against the AI, at least not to the extent I notice on the Sport Daily races.

Yep. First lap the tires are cold. In race C now I am more careful on the first lap, but I start on mediums so it's better than hards.
Then when I go to hards on lap 6 or 7 my car is lighter and the tires they put on are already warm.

 

[jrbabbitt]

My Italian friend here was absolutely livid about this move, thoughts?



I have a couple:

1) I got the jump off the start and it was a perfectly legitimate pass, though would be useful to know why it wasn't if you disagree?

2) This guy put me in the gravel in the previous race and while this wasn't a revenge move at all, I was not going to be feeling guilty had it not come off.

Watch carefully at the Italians View and you will see that he gets tapped from behind as he's sliding outward had he not got tapped from behind he would have saved it and continued on but the tap from behind put them into the dirt not your fault

 

[OJBrit]

My Italian friend here was absolutely livid about this move, thoughts?



I have a couple:

1) I got the jump off the start and it was a perfectly legitimate pass, though would be useful to know why it wasn't if you disagree?

2) This guy put me in the gravel in the previous race and while this wasn't a revenge move at all, I was not going to be feeling guilty had it not come off.

You can see on his view that he knows you were there. He moved towards you to put you off or somehow block very late. They tap you because you are there and then get rear ended. Nothing to see here and move on. Just poor judgement on their part.

 

[BruceAlmighty]

And this seems to happen fairly regularly this week. So my question is: Is it just that everyone finds doing the race on this course that much harder than qualifying? Or is something else going on here? I mean, with my lap times, I'd expect to be way further behind at the end. Yet this result has been fairly consistent for me, this week. Admittedly I've only done 10 races this week, so maybe the sample size is too small to draw any conclusions.

Ideas?

Well first off you start the race with cold tires and a full tank of gas which slows you down.
With close racing, times will be slower overall. IMHO

 

[Andy M]

Anyone else notice a sound glitch sometimes if there's a crash at a certain part of the track every time you go back past it you hear the crash sound effects again even if you're on your own?

PS5 here gives me a jump occasionally.

That explains what I've been hearing.

 

[sturk0167]

Gr.3 racing at Bathhurst is not for me. I served at least 15 seconds worth of penalties in that race.
3 of those seconds were for murdering someone, which was 100% intentional (he earned it). He threw a bunch of jabs at me, so I drew back, and landed a knockout blow. Last I saw, he was upside down.

The rest of the penalties were for smacking the walls.

 

[Mercia]

That explains what I've been hearing.

Glad it's not just me tbh, it's bloody annoying!

 

[Andy M]

Just some musings here after reading through several pages of posts.
I've never cared for dirty or overly aggressive driving. I changed my nickname to "Trying2RaceClean" a couple of weeks back. While I cannot prove it while racing, I get the sense other drivers respect that and try to race clean around me. Sure I'm still getting trashed, and I think some people see it as a target for them or suspect I may yield.

I have been working on Race B this week and can see the elegance of Watkins Glen, even if my qualifying and racing times are dismal. We won't mention my results, but let's just say my DR has suffered.

I enjoyed last week's races at Lago Maggiore Centre Reverse because it was such a short track the total number of laps I was able to run was almost 500. The repetition lead to familiarity and I was able to try many different combinations of track position and braking points, which improved my results and DR. Another benefit of the short race and long gap to next start time was I was able to view the reply between races and figure out if it was a "racing incident", my fault, or their fault.

 

[Tommy_D]

Oh, quick question on the daily races since I'm a newbie to these. Is there any quick way to get out of the race stats page after the race, or am I required to sit there for over a minute listening to engines and looking at a screen telling me I finished 16 seconds behind the leader? It seems like a waste of time that could be used chatting with other drivers from the race. Instead most people exit the lobby and you dont get a chance to tell them "Good Race".

 

[Mercia]

Oh, quick question on the daily races since I'm a newbie to these. Is there any quick way to get out of the race stats page after the race, or am I required to sit there for over a minute listening to engines and looking at a screen telling me I finished 16 seconds behind the leader? It seems like a waste of time that could be used chatting with other drivers from the race. Instead most people exit the lobby and you dont get a chance to tell them "Good Race".

It's broken, it's meant to be once all running cars have finished it drops to 20 seconds or whatever but it has been broken for a few months now, just sits there until the time runs down no matter if everyone is finished or not.

They might fix it, they might not, who knows.

 

[hollowkatt]

Just some musings here after reading through several pages of posts.
I've never cared for dirty or overly aggressive driving. I changed my nickname to "Trying2RaceClean" a couple of weeks back. While I cannot prove it while racing, I get the sense other drivers respect that and try to race clean around me. Sure I'm still getting trashed, and I think some people see it as a target for them or suspect I may yield.

I have been working on Race B this week and can see the elegance of Watkins Glen, even if my qualifying and racing times are dismal. We won't mention my results, but let's just say my DR has suffered.

I enjoyed last week's races at Lago Maggiore Centre Reverse because it was such a short track the total number of laps I was able to run was almost 500. The repetition lead to familiarity and I was able to try many different combinations of track position and braking points, which improved my results and DR. Another benefit of the short race and long gap to next start time was I was able to view the reply between races and figure out if it was a "racing incident", my fault, or their fault.

I'm dead serious when I say just go grab your personal favorite GR.4 and run qualifying laps till you're comfortable. It doesn't take super long to learn the circuit basics. Once you're generally happy with "brake at the 100 marker into T1" or things like that start experimenting with how much speed you can carry into a corner, where you can get back on the power, that kind of thing.

It's a shortish lap, under 2 minutes unless you really bottle something, and just drive it for half an hour or so. It's in my top 3 GT7 circuits because of how easily it flows and there really aren't any super tricky spots, just spots where proper execution and precision gains you bucketloads of time.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Qualfiying simulates your car to be on a perfect quali lap - so track conditions are identical, you have 0 fuel load and your tyre temperatures are ideal.

In the race, you start with a full load of fuel, have cold tyres, and the track conditions vary (both in wind and temperature) which also change how fast you can drive. It's mostly the fuel load making the biggest difference, but all of these things are taken into account and are why sprint race lap times are so much slower than in qualifying.

I don't want this reply to sound, well, the way it's gonna sound - I just want to give some clarification here:

I've driven over 1200 races, so I've definitely seen what you're talking about. It just seems to me that in this instance, the differences are more glaring than I've seen in the past. I hope that makes sense without me sounding like a jerk or whatever...

 

[BruceAlmighty]

I don't want this reply to sound, well, the way it's gonna sound - I just want to give some clarification here:

I've driven over 1200 races, so I've definitely seen what you're talking about. It just seems to me that in this instance, the differences are more glaring than I've seen in the past. I hope that makes sense without me sounding like a jerk or whatever...

Every once in a while I'll start a race and for some reason the car seems like it's on ice. Nothing seems to work right. Next race will be back to normal as far as what I expect it to do at the start.

 

[Andy M]

I'm dead serious when I say just go grab your personal favorite GR.4 and run qualifying laps till you're comfortable. It doesn't take super long to learn the circuit basics. Once you're generally happy with "brake at the 100 marker into T1" or things like that start experimenting with how much speed you can carry into a corner, where you can get back on the power, that kind of thing.

It's a shortish lap, under 2 minutes unless you really bottle something, and just drive it for half an hour or so. It's in my top 3 GT7 circuits because of how easily it flows and there really aren't any super tricky spots, just spots where proper execution and precision gains you bucketloads of time.

I'll keep putting in the laps.

 

[flimmelblitz]

Watkins Glen is all about smooth and fast lines.
T1 - exit speed is key as you can gain or lose a lot of time in the next 3 corners and down the straight.
Bus Stop - I find slow in and fast out works well here.
Long right, left & right - after the bus stop these corners you need to get on the throttle early. Again get the speed down quickly then power out
Final sector - again all about trying to carry as much speed as possible.

I did this lap. Not the fastest pit there but might help you.

@Roggers @Bullwinkle

Thank you for the hints and tips, and for the lap video! Managed to shave off an entire second already and will shave off even more. Thanks.

 

[Stilva]

3 more races for me at The Glen this evening. I didn't improve my qualifying time, but I got really close to doing it. All 3 races were in stacked to A+/A lobbies with @sturk0167 in all of them.

Because of this, I'm P13 on the grid. I made too many off track penalties at turn 1 to even have a shot at advancing my position. I was able to keep up with the back of the field when I did catch up before more penalties got the best of me. I finish P13.

Race 2 has me in P14 this time, but I don't rack up any penalties and I have some good racing. Minus the first lap where I go wide exiting turn 6 and fall to P15. But, I keep going and manage to finish P10 this time. Not to shabby for a lowly B rank driver in a Mustang.

Race 3 also has me in P14 so start and it's more of the same. I gain spots via others penalties and crashes and I actually finish in P8! Even with a 1 second penalty from completely messing up the bus stop. Super happy with that result.

While I did lose a ton of DR tonight, I think it was worth as it shows I can somewhat hang with higher ranked drivers. I would like to think I could have done better in the first race if the penalty bug didn't bite me so often. Speaking of penalties, I only had 1 in the bus stop and it was in my last race as I mentioned. So, I think I got that figured out. All the racing was clean tonight for me. Some bumps and such, but that's the kind of contact I don't mind. I'd like to be back in lobbies with drivers with my own rank for tomorrow, but if I can keep my race penalty free, I might do better if I'm in similar lobby situation as tonight.

 

[D_Dragline]

I experienced something very weird last night at Bathurst. At the end of lap 2 I ran a touch wide out of the Chase and got all 4 wheels on grass. Held onto the car, no barrier contact, but decided to pit. Knowing I had diry tyres I entered very conservatively and avoided any pit lane penalties. Changed to medium tyres and everything was perfectly normal and mundane. But then, on pit exit, when I took back control the car immediately turned left and slammed into the wall. I've done that exit about 20 times. It's not difficult and I've never, ever had any issues before that. And before anyone asks, no I didn't have the wheel turned left or anything else obviously stupid.

My only thought is whether entering with dirty tyres means you lose control on exit. Anyone seen anything similar?

 

[hollowkatt]

I'll keep putting in the laps.

it'll really help. The good news is that the circuit is almost never boring because like I said it is easy to learn what comes next on the lap so you quickly get into "can I get faster here" mode

 

[Bullwinkle]

Every once in a while I'll start a race and for some reason the car seems like it's on ice. Nothing seems to work right. Next race will be back to normal as far as what I expect it to do at the start.

I had this exact experience tonight. For one race only my car was sliding all over the place in unexpected ways. The next race it behaved normally. Maybe it has something to do with weather conditions, but I can’t figure it out.

 

[Giz WCR-666]

They might fix it, they might not, who knows.

this is kind of appropriate for most of the game... 🤣

 

[TheOneDonJuan]

Another terrible race at Bathurst going out in the same corner. I need to stop trying to start with Hards. Twice I do it and twice I end up in the shadow realm in the esses. First attempt with Ms got 4th. Started trying to use Hards first and have gotten 9th and 10th respectively.

The Mustang is hella fast here but a little squirrely through the bends.

 

[BruceAlmighty]

Another terrible race at Bathurst going out in the same corner. I need to stop trying to start with Hards. Twice I do it and twice I end up in the shadow realm in the esses. First attempt with Ms got 4th. Started trying to use Hards first and have gotten 9th and 10th respectively.

The Mustang is hella fast here but a little squirrely through the bends.

Traction Control One for the hards until warmed up and then 0

 

[Monkey Man]

Yup, or just take it easy on the first lap.

 

[bone_tone]

Every once in a while I'll start a race and for some reason the car seems like it's on ice. Nothing seems to work right. Next race will be back to normal as far as what I expect it to do at the start.

Yes, I've experienced this too.

Sometimes it just affects a specific part of the track, and you can see other cars having problems there too. The last Race C at Suzuka was a good example, there was a glitch patch on lap 1 just after turn 2, where cars (mine included) would suddenly turn right and into the barrier.

 

[sixty4half]

Here is one in a string of races today. Survived a few attempted murders. After today I am, as Bob Ross would say "a Hair and some air" away from hitting Rank A.

 

[zjn]

One of my struggles at Race B (actually quite everywhere this applies) is that the start is very different from the normal lapping in terms of racing line and braking point.
Result 1 (70%) brake too early / too much, and get passed / punted
Result 2 (20%) brake too late / too little, and punt someone or finish out the crub
Result 3 (10%) I nail it, and keep my position

Basically my turn 1 / my lap 1 can destroy my entire race.

Need to improve a lot here, but since I don't have time to race too much (I just reached the 100 onlice races) I'm still in the trial&error phase that generates lot of frustration

 

[sixty4half]

One of my struggles at Race B (actually quite everywhere this applies) is that the start is very different from the normal lapping in terms of racing line and braking point.

Yes, three things are happening here. You're approaching the corner slower than normal, and are on cold tyres and (unlike in Qualifying) you have extra weight from a full gas tank. It isnt just you; I watch F1 and there is a Turn 1 incident in almost every race. Those are the best drivers in the world.

If you are starting top 4 you can break at the 100 board. If you're further back give yourself a little more room. I usually take that first corner at about 75/76 instead of 79 like I do with warm tyres.


Also, skip the trial and error phase. Watch a Track Guide video on YouTube. Tidgney posts his here every week. Mista_mca usually does Race C. Wombleleader does track guides, and I'm sure you can find 100 more if you dislike british accents.