GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[NevilleNobody]

I think that's a reasonable pass attempt. You can't just stick to the racing line and say you were on the line and therefore no one can go up the inside. He seems to be in control of the car and slowed down enough to take a narrow line around the corner that would have left you room on the outside.

Nah it's a dive, it's too late. By the time he is making the move, Grumpy is turning in. Simply too late a move for mine on that kind of corner that is not a heavy braking point.

 

[skidmark69]

Nah it's a dive, it's too late. By the time he is making the move, Grumpy is turning in. Simply too late a move for mine on that kind of corner that is not a heavy braking point.

Can't say it's a late dive if you're in control at the apex. Then it's just hitting your breaking point.

Grumpy also turns in earlier than the guy in P2 who turns in later and still hits the apex, so if he was going for a move he would have crashed into P2 as well.

All subjective at the end of the day though I guess. But would have been avoided with a defensive line which should be taken when someone is right on your tail

 

[Def-Infinity]

Nah it's a dive, it's too late. By the time he is making the move, Grumpy is turning in. Simply too late a move for mine on that kind of corner that is not a heavy braking point.

Disagree. Its a racing incident. Tons of space on the right-hand side to avoid them. Probably a few ways to deal with it:

• Open up the steering and take it around the outside
• Give up the position and settle into P5
• Set up the switchback and defend that way

I don't really like the move though, because it just let P3 get away. Its just wasting time.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Can't say it's a late dive if you're in control at the apex. Then it's just hitting your breaking point.

It's really not just about hitting an apex, you need to give the man in front a split second to react to your move to the apex and at this corner, the speed it is taken at, there was no time. Grumpy was committing just as the pass was attempted, hence contact.

Disagree. Its a racing incident. Tons of space on the right-hand side to avoid them. Probably a few ways to deal with it:

Never seen a racing incident, it's always someone's fault.

 

[D_Dragline]

It's really not just about hitting an apex, you need to give the man in front a split second to react to your move to the apex and at this corner, the speed it is taken at, there was no time. Grumpy was committing just as the pass was attempted, hence contact.

Never seen a racing incident, it's always someone's fault.

But the point is that this was predictable so it really shouldn’t have been taking anyone by surprise. You should know the car’s there AND that you’re leaving the door open. Cars don’t usually just materialize next to you.

 

[NevilleNobody]

But the point is that this was predictable so it really shouldn’t have been taking anyone by surprise. You should know the car’s there AND that you’re leaving the door open. Cars don’t usually just materialize next to you.

I'm not leaving the door open if I don't think it's a reasonable place to pass, and the fact you hit me means I was right. You see it all the time at T2 (first braking zone) at Seaside, guys can't help themselves but dive in with zero overlap. This fella has no overlap on Grumpy as they hit the brakes, none, at that point I am taking the racing line or when am I supposed to go defensive to block your dives?

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Here's a shot of me driving my favorite car (so far) on this track, the V12 Vantage. It's naturally aspirated, so there's no turbo lag, and it has plenty of torque to make it up the steep part at the start. I sure wish I had the photographic eye some people on this forum have, so I could really capture the feel of some of these corners.
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EDIT: You have to be REALLY careful the first couple of laps of the actual race. Start braking earlier, take corners slower, etc. Cold tires and full gas tanks (more weight) make things much more dicey. Still fun, though.

I'll preface this comment with the fact that I haven't done that many races on this track yet, so I reserve the right to change my opinion in the future. But so far, I feel like this is the first race in a while where people are actually getting penalized for their actions. Not always, of course. And like you said, sometimes you get a penalty that you probably didn't deserve. But there have been a handful of incidents where my blood boiled at someone and I was fighting the urge to retaliate, only to see them get a penalty for what they did, which made it much easier to resist the urge.

Yes, the wall penalties are harsh - I can't argue with that. But hey, we already knew Barry-R was a jerk, so that shouldn't really be a surprise. With that said, at least there aren't curbs where just looking too closely at them causes a penalty or damage!

Same car, same corner:

Actually, thanks for the idea of using the Aston. Couldn't get it going with the Porsche, nor the Mustang or the Jag. And I'm completely incapable of driving the META here. Don't understand how anyone who uses a controller, like me, can drive the GT-R quickly without constantly losing time due to wheelspin.

But the Aston really makes you enjoy those turns... 1:51:7, quite happy with that as someone who normally sucks at Gr3.

 

[D_Dragline]

I'm not leaving the door open if I don't think it's a reasonable place to pass, and the fact you hit me means I was right. You see it all the time at T2 (first braking zone) at Seaside, guys can't help themselves but dive in with zero overlap. This fella has no overlap on Grumpy as they hit the brakes, none, at that point I am taking the racing line or when am I supposed to go defensive to block your dives?

But it’s not a dive if it’s my regular braking point, there’s space and I can make the corner. With all due respect to Grumpy, he seems to turn in earlier than I would and is carrying a lot less speed than he could be.

I don’t think Grumpy does anything dirty, but the contact was predictable and avoidable in those circumstances.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I see that some players have multi accounts. Is there a downside to that for the game in general. Won’t there be lots of really good players racing against C or low B players and taking spots from players who are actually driving at those levels?

Not really. Fast players level up fast and move their second or third account to the same.level in a short time. Not necessarily A+ but at least high B.
I have 3 accounts. All 3 are at the same level, almost. My daily account is a.little lower because I race that the most. My US and my Euro alt are equally high/low in DR and SR.

 

[Giz WCR-666]

I don’t think Grumpy does anything dirty, but the contact was predictable and avoidable in those circumstances

the contact was avoidable for both parties..
Grumpy 'could've' been going faster, but he wasnt.. he may have turned in early, but thats his racing line..
the other car should've known that if he's taking a narrower, faster line to the apex, he will run wide on exit & Grumpy will be there. he should've lifted slightly.
both drivers are to blame, hence- 'racing incident'

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

But the point is that this was predictable so it really shouldn’t have been taking anyone by surprise.

Well, it wasn't predictable to me, and it did take me by surprise. I'm trying to take a corner while not smashing the guy in front who was having a few issues - and I'm supposed to be watching the guy behind me at the same time? To say I was surprised is an understatement. But whatever - he's a better driver than I am (I've seen him plenty), so after a cooling off period to think about it, I'd preferred if he waited until the next corner, but I know he wasn't being malicious.

With all due respect to Grumpy, he seems to turn in earlier than I would and is carrying a lot less speed than he could be.

That was because of the guy in front of me. He did something unexpected, and I didn't want to bin him. You need to remember that I'm 66, and my mind doesn't work quite as fast as you youngins. At least, that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it!

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With all that out of the way, I finally got a win on this track, even if it did take me being on the pole, and the other drivers were mostly DR Cs (I'm a B). But...

There was a guy who started last (P13, IIRC) with no QT. He ended up about second off my tail when all was said and done. He had FL at 1:52.504 - my QT at pole position was 1:52.617. I watched his replay, and he was pretty clean. he did tap a few people because, well, he's fast, they're Cs and unpredictable. But he didn't cause any damage to anyone's game. He was just stinking fast!

When I looked up near the last part of my last lap and saw him charging, I almost wet myself (not really, but that sounded funny in my head). But I held on and survived FTW.

 

[hollowkatt]

But it’s not a dive if it’s my regular braking point, there’s space and I can make the corner. With all due respect to Grumpy, he seems to turn in earlier than I would and is carrying a lot less speed than he could be.

I don’t think Grumpy does anything dirty, but the contact was predictable and avoidable in those circumstances.

That still doesn't mean that the pass was on for the trailing car. This does appear to be a racing incident in that neither driver should receive a penalty for the collision, but in terms of assigning blame it's 100% on the trailing car. They might have thought the move was on but the angle and approach that Grumpy took almost immediately indicated the move is not on or there wouldn't have been a collision. I don't think Grumpy has any onus to move off of the line he is on at that point in the corner. He could have changed things but should not be required to change things.

 

[NevilleNobody]

That still doesn't mean that the pass was on for the trailing car. This does appear to be a racing incident in that neither driver should receive a penalty for the collision, but in terms of assigning blame it's 100% on the trailing car. They might have thought the move was on but the angle and approach that Grumpy took almost immediately indicated the move is not on or there wouldn't have been a collision. I don't think Grumpy has any onus to move off of the line he is on at that point in the corner. He could have changed things but should not be required to change things.

There's just too much going on to call it a legit pass. The lead car has got the wobbles, distracting Grumpy to a degree, it's a fast corner with a grey apex and the dude has established zero overlap. Chucking it up the inside from near a full car length back dissolves Grumpy of his responsibilities given everything that is going on.

 

[TheOneDonJuan]

Are there any smoother cars to drive in GT7 than Gr.2, at least this NSX Honda? It's like on rails at Autopolis. No oversteer, no understeer, nothing. You do what you want. Gr.3 cars feel like drunkards after this.

I've been trying to make the CLK work vs the NSX. Goes as follows:

Me: Hey CLK let's turn.

CLK: no.

 

[D_Dragline]

That still doesn't mean that the pass was on for the trailing car. This does appear to be a racing incident in that neither driver should receive a penalty for the collision, but in terms of assigning blame it's 100% on the trailing car. They might have thought the move was on but the angle and approach that Grumpy took almost immediately indicated the move is not on or there wouldn't have been a collision. I don't think Grumpy has any onus to move off of the line he is on at that point in the corner. He could have changed things but should not be required to change things.

There's just too much going on to call it a legit pass. The lead car has got the wobbles, distracting Grumpy to a degree, it's a fast corner with a grey apex and the dude has established zero overlap. Chucking it up the inside from near a full car length back dissolves Grumpy of his responsibilities given everything that is going on

But from the perspective of the trailing driver, Grumpy does move off his line. Watch it again from the trailing view. He is smooth and taking a perfectly predictable line. Grumpy "suddenly" moves over towards the apex once he's gotten overlap.

Well, it wasn't predictable to me, and it did take me by surprise. I'm trying to take a corner while not smashing the guy in front who was having a few issues - and I'm supposed to be watching the guy behind me at the same time? To say I was surprised is an understatement. But whatever - he's a better driver than I am (I've seen him plenty), so after a cooling off period to think about it, I'd preferred if he waited until the next corner, but I know he wasn't being malicious.

That was because of the guy in front of me. He did something unexpected, and I didn't want to bin him. You need to remember that I'm 66, and my mind doesn't work quite as fast as you youngins. At least, that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it!

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Oh, trust me, I do this kind of stuff all the time. It's not always easy to monitor the car in front, the car beside and the car behind all while trying to remember which corner this is and what the brake marker looks like. There's no judgement of you here, I'm just presenting the case that I don't think the trailing car should be harshly judged either. Given what he's seeing, I think his approach was perfectly reasonable and understandable and therefore, largely predictable. It's a racing incident precisely because both drivers took reasonable steps from their relative perspectives.

BTW, I'm 49, so that's the first time I've been referred to as a "youngin" for quite some time.

 

[skidmark69]

I'm not leaving the door open if I don't think it's a reasonable place to pass, and the fact you hit me means I was right.

That way of thinking is a recipe for disaster. As evidenced by this thread it's never that straight forward that you can just say whatever your opinion of a reasonable place to pass is what defines whether you take into consideration what other cars do. In real life that means lots of damage to your car and potentially injuries or death. In-game it probably means you both crash and the race is ruined, even if you can argue for days that the other person was at fault. At the end of the day you still lose.

Regardless of subjective opinion on gt7 racing rules and etiquette you always have to be pragmatic and face reality, which is that some, or even most people will go for a gap when they see one, especially in a short 4 lap race.

Well, it wasn't predictable to me, and it did take me by surprise. I'm trying to take a corner while not smashing the guy in front who was having a few issues - and I'm supposed to be watching the guy behind me at the same time? To say I was surprised is an understatement. But whatever - he's a better driver than I am (I've seen him plenty), so after a cooling off period to think about it, I'd preferred if he waited until the next corner, but I know he wasn't being malicious.

That was because of the guy in front of me. He did something unexpected, and I didn't want to bin him. You need to remember that I'm 66, and my mind doesn't work quite as fast as you youngins. At least, that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it!

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With all that out of the way, I finally got a win on this track, even if it did take me being on the pole, and the other drivers were mostly DR Cs (I'm a B). But...
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There was a guy who started last (P13, IIRC) with no QT. He ended up about second off my tail when all was said and done. He had FL at 1:52.504 - my QT at pole position was 1:52.617. I watched his replay, and he was pretty clean. he did tap a few people because, well, he's fast, they're Cs and unpredictable. But he didn't cause any damage to anyone's game. He was just stinking fast!

When I looked up near the last part of my last lap and saw him charging, I almost wet myself (not really, but that sounded funny in my head). But I held on and survived FTW.

Yes, you should be aware of what the car behind is doing at the same time. Or at least have thought about what it may do.

The situation you were in being sandwiched between two cars is peak racing, and requires race craft to successfully manage. A lot of that comes down to anticipation and planning ahead and adapting, rather than trying to stay on a time trial line and reacting.

In this case you would have been able to know ahead of time before coming into the braking zone for that corner that someone was close behind you. Since he was close enough for a potential dive, it is safer to hug the inside as you drive towards the braking zone. First and foremost this blocks a potential dive if the trailing car sticks inside too. If the trailing car instead moves outside to potentially go around the outside or switcheroo you then you can also drift outside safely without squeezing or blocking him and recover as much of the racing line as possible. This is a classic defensive move. Additionally, you going up the inside will put pressure on the car in front, who may then also go inside to defend. If he does you potentially have an opportunity to go wide again at the last second and get a better exit, or at worst you at least haven't lost any time. Of course fighting like this might not be strategically wise if there are cars further ahead you need to catch, but that's for the trailing car to decide at the end of the day.

Anyway, grats on the win and I applaud your willingness to put situations up for people to judge. Always interesting to hear other peoples perspectives

 

[newb1017]

Not really. Fast players level up fast and move their second or third account to the same.level in a short time. Not necessarily A+ but at least high B.
I have 3 accounts. All 3 are at the same level, almost. My daily account is a.little lower because I race that the most. My US and my Euro alt are equally high/low in DR and SR.

But that is what I was getting at. If you are moving up fast on your multiple accounts then you are finishing well. And if you are placing well against weaker drivers you are taking positions they would have had. If you were the only multi account player then it is no big deal. But if lots of players are doing it then there is a continuous supply of A or high B or even mid B drivers working their way through the ranks of weaker players. I remember how frustrating it was at C and having drivers (often with no QT time) taking positions off me when it was clear they had skill levels much better than me. And while, as you say, it does not take long for a person to do it, we are not talking about one person.

Personally I think if a highB player ( for example) wants to have another account, then he or she should start at high B.

Also, why does one need more than one account??

 

[Stilva]

Well, I had high hopes for race C this week, but after one try there won't be another one for me. I forgot how much I actually don't like Autopolis after all. I haven't struggled that much in a race since I can't remember when. I can't keep my car on the track, can't keep pace, and I have a bad time overall. Usually I do good with the Gr.2 cars, but not today. Fortunately I start and finish in P9 so the DR hit isn't that much. I'm not subjecting myself to that again. Yikes.

Since I think Alsace backwards is terrible, I'm done for the week already. Time to work on more circuit experiences I guess. Or, get through a decent chunk of the Crisis Core remake since I've been neglecting playing that.

 

[Giz WCR-666]

Also, why does one need more than one account??

the respones to this question are usually quite hilarious... 🤣

 

[Sarajevo89]

@GrumpyOldMan You had a moment to react when you saw his nose on the left, knowing guard rail is right there and if you don't go right he would be squeezed but you didn't move from your line. It's also his fault for that dive (hate divers) but I think you could've saved him.

Anyway, Autopolis keeps delivering. Just finished behind none other than @GOTMAXPOWER in 4th place leaving all As behind and only A+s in front. All that with 3s penalty (my fault) on top.

It's a pure joy driving this NSX.

 

[Nebuc72]

the respones to this question are usually quite hilarious... 🤣

Are they?

It just boils down to either "I want to race in other regions" or "I want to protect my main accounts rating in races I'm not comfortable with" which is about as bargain bin basic of a reasoning as you can get.

 

[Giz WCR-666]

yes, most of em are..

I want to protect my main accounts rating

protect it from what? yourself?
its a rating based on your performance as a driver in a world you have very little control over.. if youre not comfortable at a track & do badly, your rating will reflect that & drop accordingly. its a rating, not a score.

 

[Nebuc72]

yes, most of em are..


protect it from what? yourself?
its a rating based on your performance as a driver.. if youre not comfortable at a track & do badly, your rating will reflect that & drop accordingly. its a rating, not a score.

When you move the goalposts and don't accept peoples reasoning, its no wonder you find them all funny.

 

[hollowkatt]

I started a second account to learn my wheel with as I could progress through the game "as a beginner" instead of trying to learn by replaying things for no real reward, or learning it while racing other humans. Now that I'm confident with the tool I'm drifting more towards my main account, but I have this second that I want to progress to finish the menu books lol

 

[Giz WCR-666]

When you move the goalposts and don't accept peoples reasoning, its no wonder you find them all funny.

i accept peoples reasons.. i just find them funny..

 

[Monkey Man]

Where do you create a 2nd account guys? Couldn't find anywhere on my PS5 and it's been 10 years since I created mine and I can't remember how I did it.

I know; I'm a tech dummy.

Also, I've heard that you need a separate email address for each one, but I've also heard that you don't. Wassup wit' dat?

 

[newb1017]

Wanting to play in other regions I can understand for a second account.

Wanting to protect a rating as a reason for a second account seems like a reluctance to accept that a rating is established from your body of work , including the ugly parts.

 

[Dep Fishtail]

Well, it wasn't predictable to me, and it did take me by surprise. I'm trying to take a corner while not smashing the guy in front who was having a few issues - and I'm supposed to be watching the guy behind me at the same time? To say I was surprised is an understatement. But whatever - he's a better driver than I am (I've seen him plenty), so after a cooling off period to think about it, I'd preferred if he waited until the next corner, but I know he wasn't being malicious.

That was because of the guy in front of me. He did something unexpected, and I didn't want to bin him. You need to remember that I'm 66, and my mind doesn't work quite as fast as you youngins. At least, that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it!

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With all that out of the way, I finally got a win on this track, even if it did take me being on the pole, and the other drivers were mostly DR Cs (I'm a B). But...
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There was a guy who started last (P13, IIRC) with no QT. He ended up about second off my tail when all was said and done. He had FL at 1:52.504 - my QT at pole position was 1:52.617. I watched his replay, and he was pretty clean. he did tap a few people because, well, he's fast, they're Cs and unpredictable. But he didn't cause any damage to anyone's game. He was just stinking fast!

When I looked up near the last part of my last lap and saw him charging, I almost wet myself (not really, but that sounded funny in my head). But I held on and survived FTW.

Congrats on the win!
I had a tough time yesterday in this B race.
I had QT at 1:52.1 last night and scored p6 on the grid and then got punted multiple times along by t3 which awarded me a 1.5 penalty and the opportunity to see where I had been seconds ago without using the rear view mirror. P16 at that point.
Haven’t quit very many races overall but I pulled the trigger and called it done.

Tonight’s plan was to get QT down to start higher up but I couldn’t best the 1:52.1 and only got close so I gave it one more shot to see if I’d draw a cleaner race. Started p3 with the same QT as before and had a great race. The top 3 separated a bit from the group by the end of lap 1 and then p1 binned it into Barry R going up the hill. Now keeping pressure on p2 was the mission and when he went wide on lap 2 I went into TT mode and brought home a win with cbr.
Nice change of pace from yesterday and I’ll see how it goes the rest of the week. Hope to get more races and less QT runs in now. Love driving this course when you hit the corners just right.

Seen you running the rx vision a lot and I’m also a fan because it fits me on many tracks but not this one so far.

Tried the Aston and can’t match my QT.
FT 1 might also be a good one for you to give a few laps too as it somehow works a bit like the rx vision with high revs rewarding when used in the right places.

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[hollowkatt]

I started a second account to learn my wheel with as I could progress through the game "as a beginner" instead of trying to learn by replaying things for no real reward, or learning it while racing other humans. Now that I'm confident with the tool I'm drifting more towards my main account, but I have this second that I want to progress to finish the menu books lol

so.... GTP_Hollowkatt makes his return to Daily B tomorrow. HK (my second) just hit the Rally Cafe Menu and remembered how much he hated rally the first time around. Guess that account is dead in terms of progression now

 

[Redneckchef]

I see that some players have multi accounts. Is there a downside to that for the game in general. Won’t there be lots of really good players racing against C or low B players and taking spots from players who are actually driving at those levels?

The first few races, possibly up to 20 odd or so you end up in lower lobbies, but unless you are deliberately tanking then you end back at your more natural DR pretty quickly. I don't like racing lobbies that are massively weaker, I like winning, but I like having really good races more. I also have my alt account to be able to race dailies with friends in the Americas as well as use my main account for most of my racing in my usual Asia region. What's funny about wanting to play a game with friends?