GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[RacingGrandpa]

But that is what I was getting at. If you are moving up fast on your multiple accounts then you are finishing well. And if you are placing well against weaker drivers you are taking positions they would have had. If you were the only multi account player then it is no big deal. But if lots of players are doing it then there is a continuous supply of A or high B or even mid B drivers working their way through the ranks of weaker players. I remember how frustrating it was at C and having drivers (often with no QT time) taking positions off me when it was clear they had skill levels much better than me. And while, as you say, it does not take long for a person to do it, we are not talking about one person.

Personally I think if a highB player ( for example) wants to have another account, then he or she should start at high B.

Also, why does one need more than one account??

Well. There's not a constant stream. GT7 requires you to jump through a lot of hoops to get an extra account up and running, especially if you want to run your own cars.
The vast majority of cars "stealing" places are placed in the lobby by PD, A/A being put in a slower lobby because PD sorts by SR not speed.
Reasons for a second account varies a lot, some just want to play the single player part again, some has seen the light and wants a clean slate to grow as a clean driver, some wants another account in a different region to try it out or to race with friends, some wants a dedicated start from the back account.
There's probably more reasons

Wanting to play in other regions I can understand for a second account.

Wanting to protect a rating as a reason for a second account seems like a reluctance to accept that a rating is established from your body of work , including the ugly parts.

If you have a goal for your ratings, like A or A+ the easiest and almost only way to get there is cherry picking your races. Only run what you are good at.

But the way PD makes races that can mean weeks of no racing. Another reason for a second account

 

[permaculture]

But the way PD makes races that can mean weeks of no racing. Another reason for a second account

the issue that person is describing is only even a factor because of how little effort GT7 has put into Sport Mode. i was getting irritated in june/july by dropping points to B drivers who were a lot better than me at A, and running in rooms where i had to win in order to not lose points... but then i realized, if this is how people are able to keep playing this game, more power to them! personally, i moved on, because the online aspect of the game is somehow further from a racing simulator than it was when released.

its silly but instead of second accounts 'because the races are bad', i would love to see this thread be the base for a mass boycott of the mode. just something to unsettle whatever numbers that tell them they're doing good enough.... but a) i don't think we're enough here and b) PD might look at a drop in Sport Mode numbers and decide to make all three races into Multiplayer Music Rally.

 

[Fezzik]

Another reason for a 2nd "burner" account (not a good one, not recommending, just a suggestion) is that it allows a bit of anonymous revenge on the known dirty drivers.

I get unreasonably attached to my DR/SR ratings on my main account, don't like seeing them drop (I know, it's just a game, they are just numbers). Set up the backup to just drive any race, any track without too much worries. Only won one race on the way up the rankings, a couple of podiums but mostly just midpack and now it's in pretty much the exact same splits as the main (after about 25-30 races).

It also means I can try out a 2nd manufacturer in these test/exhibition GTWS seasons before the main event starts and I have to commit to someone.

 

[Talon16]

How about we just let people enjoy the game how they want to enjoy the game?

If you don't care about your DR so much then why do you care if an A+ driver starts a new account and takes some DR from you in some C level races you're in?

 

[Tristanssid]

I've just started a second account.
My DR/SR carried over from Sport was very high.
On a week where the car/track combo is one I like I end up with a quali starting me 8-10th and competing to maybe make a place or 2.
If it was anything else I'll start last 2 seconds off the pace and finish 10 seconds off 15th on a short race, so I would only race my few favorite combos.
I tried doing 2 months of new combos and ended up with 2 months of last place even though I was trying to improve, very deflating. So either I tank my main account by crashing into people, I only race the 1 in 5 weeks a preferred combo turns up. Or I start again, quickly get that account to about right and use that for good racing. On weeks of my preferred combos I'll head to my old account.
I'm compensating for the way that GT7 manages DR/SR.
Even if they occasionally gave you a race starting forward I'd take the occasional getting placed further back.

 

[Hodd10]

I have a second account to learn with the new wheel. My main account was through Sport at GT7 so a high B occasional low A. If I used the wheel on that account I'd be all over the place and have high chances of casuing disruption to other folk.

With the second account I can learn the wheel for offline and online. I'm not causing havoc in races. Heck I think moving from pad to wheel is like learning the way to drive again anyway so I have no shame in doing it.

 

[HickOnACrick]

First off, here's a totally fair 4 SECOND penalty [sarcasm] (AND engine damage):


Now for a question. Is this a reasonable pass attempt (in the video below)? I'm set up to take the corner like everyone does, although I have to slow a little for the guy in front. My line is pretty obvious. Can someone just stick their nose in there and claim they had a right to the inside? I mean, where else could I possibly go? I can't suddenly take the corner more slowly so I can make the outside and he can take the inside - I'm already committed. Am I wrong?

All due respect, but if I was the trailing driver...I think you declared the outside, but cut the apex. My opinion, if there is a car in my radar, the race line is not an option. I am either defending, passing, setting up to pass, setting up to defend...If you wanted the tight apex at that corner, you could have declared it beforehand. The trailing driver's move did not seem like a divebomb and they seemed more prepared to pass than you were to be overtaken.

On another note; took a long drive, was kinda in the driving zone and the car in front started getting twitchy - my first thought, "he's on a controller."

 

[sturk0167]

Now for a question. Is this a reasonable pass attempt (in the video below)? I'm set up to take the corner like everyone does, although I have to slow a little for the guy in front. My line is pretty obvious. Can someone just stick their nose in there and claim they had a right to the inside? I mean, where else could I possibly go? I can't suddenly take the corner more slowly so I can make the outside and he can take the inside - I'm already committed. Am I wrong?

In my opinion, the type of inside dive he did is fine, if it can be done without contact. If he hits another car while doing it, then it isn't okay. The driver in front is under no obligation to accommodate a divebomber.

How about we just let people enjoy the game how they want to enjoy the game?

Once again, we're on the same page. I also take a libertarian point of view on this.
How about we do whatever we feel like doing with our games, without worrying about what other people are doing with theirs? 🤔

 

[MidnightRun85]

my Red Pig CLK (only 6 million) will be making an Autopolis appearance at some point, just to show up the rentals

I have my CLK dressed up as a Porsche 911 GT1. The livery works surprisingly well! It's this one:

 

[Fezzik]

I've been shamed into stopping stealing DR by racing on my backup. Fine, I'll just use the main account with its proper rating for my skill level.

It's been a while since I was on the podium with that one. Beat an A as well, he passed me off track at turn 4 but outbraved himself into the final corner and slammed the wall as I gleefully glided by and have him a honk.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Thanks to everyone who commented on this topic! It's been really interesting and fun to read all the opinions.

Oh, trust me, I do this kind of stuff all the time. It's not always easy to monitor the car in front, the car beside and the car behind all while trying to remember which corner this is and what the brake marker looks like. There's no judgement of you here, I'm just presenting the case that I don't think the trailing car should be harshly judged either. Given what he's seeing, I think his approach was perfectly reasonable and understandable and therefore, largely predictable. It's a racing incident precisely because both drivers took reasonable steps from their relative perspectives.

Thanks - I didn't think you were being judgemental, but it's always nice to have things clarified!

BTW, I'm 49, so that's the first time I've been referred to as a "youngin" for quite some time.

LOL!

Since he was close enough for a potential dive, it is safer to hug the inside as you drive towards the braking zone.

This is one of those things I'm still learning. With that said, I honestly didn't think he'd go for it.

@GrumpyOldMan You had a moment to react when you saw his nose on the left, knowing guard rail is right there and if you don't go right he would be squeezed but you didn't move from your line. It's also his fault for that dive (hate divers) but I think you could've saved him.

I'll have to think about this. I understand what you're saying, but I have no idea why I would have wanted to save him...

Seen you running the rx vision a lot and I’m also a fan because it fits me on many tracks but not this one so far.

I haven't run the RX Vision on this track. Ran the Evolution Final, then went to the V12. It's great to have a track with so many legitimate choices, so we can each find something to fit our driving style. I really love the Viper, but can't quite match my times with the V12.

In my opinion, the type of inside dive he did is fine, if it can be done without contact. If he hits another car while doing it, then it isn't okay. The driver in front is under no obligation to accommodate a divebomber.

Not arguing anything here, just so we're clear. But if I read your that statement correctly, it can depend on the lead driver as to whether the dive is "fine". If the lead driver gives you room, then the divebomber is OK, but if the lead driver sticks to his line, then it's not OK? I'm confused.

 

[Paulo Ribeiro]

I'm still waiting for PD to fix the pathetic penalty system.
Which means, that dirty players are happy with it.
A bit tired of being pushed to a wall, lose time, get a 1.5s penalty and the pusher getting away without any penalty.

Pathetic, silly and ridiculous!

 

[benjoi84]

I used to run a secondary account on GT Sport, because that was the game where I really learnt about online racing. I had an attachment to my DR because I'd had to fight through months of infuriating and dirty races to find the relatively normal grounds of B and eventually A rating (as it turns out, I really had no idea about clean and fair racing back then, until I did).

This time round, in GT7, I'm a lot calmer about my DR and I finally see it for the matchmaking system that it is. If there's an unfavourable week, I'll do my best to improve and I'll take the hit if I lose some points. I've proven to myself after a brief dip into DR B, that once a 'good' combo comes around I can slowly but surely make my way back up again.

This is another reason be disappointed at the now-permanently un-ranked Race A. I usually avoid Group 4 like the plague, so I'm by and large counting on one decent combo every week between Race B and C.

The last two times I remember leveling up were at Suzuka and last week at Bathurst, but I do miss the occasional Aston Martins at Goodwood or RX-8s at Sardegna as my bread and butter.

 

[Fezzik]

I have my CLK dressed up as a Porsche 911 GT1. The livery works surprisingly well! It's this one:

My Pig (all credit to the livery uploader - I forgot to write it down)

Haven't raced it yet. When I tried last night the lobby crashed - probably a sign !

 

[MidnightRun85]

My Pig (all credit to the livery uploader - I forgot to write it down)

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Haven't raced it yet. When I tried last night the lobby crashed - probably a sign !

That is very cool indeed! When I'm on later tonight I'll have to grab a snap of my impostor CLK.

Question regarding DR. I've not done many daily races in GT7 (in fact, only 6!!) so forgive me for my ignorance, but back in GT Sport days we had ways of seeing our DR and SR points, aside from simply having a letter rating. Obviously those letters have a range of points associated with them, so its useful to know where you rank within that range. Do we have that same functionality in GT7? Is there a source somewhere for finding where you are in the range and if you to push a little harder to level up DR or race a little more conservatively to keep/improve your SR rating, etc. ??

 

[benjoi84]

Question regarding DR. I've not done many daily races in GT7 (in fact, only 6!!) so forgive me for my ignorance, but back in GT Sport days we had ways of seeing our DR and SR points, aside from simply having a letter rating. Obviously those letters have a range of points associated with them, so its useful to know where you rank within that range. Do we have that same functionality in GT7? Is there a source somewhere for finding where you are in the range and if you to push a little harder to level up DR or race a little more conservatively to keep/improve your SR rating, etc. ??

Nope. You have to look at the player's profile page (or your own) and check the progress bar below the DR display.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Nope. You have to look at the player's profile page (or your own) and check the progress bar below the DR display.

Is that progress bar only on the profile in game? Nothing shows in the website version...

 

[Fezzik]

Is that progress bar only on the profile in game? Nothing shows in the website version...

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In-game shows the progress bar, either in the profile tab of My Page or the banner at the top of the main Sport screen. To get the actual value, you need to use some pixel counting method like uploading a screenshot to kudosprime.

 

[sturk0167]

If the lead driver gives you room, then the divebomber is OK, but if the lead driver sticks to his line, then it's not OK? I'm confused.

No. The lead driver doesn't need to give room. The lead driver should be taking the turn however the hell he wants to.
A divebomber needs to adapt to the lead car.

Maybe I race differently than the majority, but I don't give a damn what's happening behind me.
Looking in my rear-view while racing almost always causes me to make a mistake.
If a faster car goes off track or gets a penalty ahead of me, then catches back up, I'll usually just let them go by. That's different.

When the radar shows a blue triangle approaching my inside a little too quickly, I don't move over and make room for him. I let off my brake and go the the throttle, taking the turn more quickly than I should, so he misses me. If it's someone who just wants to hit me, then he probably will, and we deal with it. Most of the time, it's someone who just miscalculated.

 

[hollowkatt]

I'm still waiting for PD to fix the pathetic penalty system.
Which means, that dirty players are happy with it.
A bit tired of being pushed to a wall, lose time, get a 1.5s penalty and the pusher getting away without any penalty.

Pathetic, silly and ridiculous!

I just had a daily B where into the heavy braking zone for the large downhill right someone decided just not to brake. Jerk hit me so hard I flew OVER THE BARRIER
I got a 3 second penalty for hitting multiple barriers, damage everywhere in my car including engine, and the guy who hit me? 1.5 second penalty.

My race is over, ruined, I'm 15 seconds behind last when I started 5th, he keeps going.
Combine that with the horrific race craft from everyone with a green flag in their icons and yeah, sport mode just isn't worth playing. I can be clean and fast and it just doesn't matter. And since I'm done with the single player content if there's not massive shakeups coming I'm probably done with GT7. It's a damn shame but I can get the same experience with wreckfest for cheaper and with less aggravation.

PD has a huge "crap driver who doesn't give a crap about anyone else on the track" problem that they're refusing to address.

 

[Dairyworker]

Race A got my interest yesterday. Only had time for a handful of laps though. I actually like the combo so I'll probably return to my old stomping grounds of race A this week. As long as the racing isn't to chaotic. It's my only real complaint about the dr/sr off. People use it as an excuse to be full contact. I have other games for that, that were meant for that even. What a concept eh? Lol

 

[KosmoKazi]

Thanks to everyone who commented on this topic! It's been really interesting and fun to read all the opinions.



Not arguing anything here, just so we're clear. But if I read your that statement correctly, it can depend on the lead driver as to whether the dive is "fine". If the lead driver gives you room, then the divebomber is OK, but if the lead driver sticks to his line, then it's not OK? I'm confused.

I had just such an argument of sorts (probably more than one) in the Race B at the Glen last week, which was ripe for this move.

To me, I think too many people thing they have a right to a corner based on a run... you either have the overlap or you don't. Just because you've got a run doesn't give you the right to the inside line on fast turn. If I take the racing line, and you hit my corner and hook me because you dove in after I was committed to that racing line (again, while you have not yet established any overlap with my car) then it's not your corner, it's mine. You are at fault if there is contact. Yet so many people thought this was 'racing' at the Glen last week. It was too much at one point and I quit doing Dailies for now. Same thing at Daytona the week before.

It's made worse by the current META being the GTR, which really rewards slow-in/fast-out for pace but then leaves you open to the divebombs. So it's not sustainable and if PD don't get the META rut sorted out, I'm not interested in the game anymore. I hate the way the GTR drives and this combination with the pigs that think using my rear end as a brake, and that it's ok to move my car off my line with a sideways nudge on the straights so they can do it again next corner... no thanks.

My theory on the GTR being META by the way: they use Sophy for simulating the performance, and Sophy only drives like a real driver should. But this crap where you force the downshift to rotate the car, then over-drive it off the turns and let the AWD take hold, which the humans figure out, means the performance of the GTR is better than it should be. (and the new tire wear model doesn't help, because that thing should be SHREDDING the tires when driven that way, and yet...)

So until they go back to using humans (re: game data) to configure their BoP adjustments, instead of the AI, it's not going to get better. Unless they 'correct' their physics model, at least. That's my theory. I don't know, I'm guessing. But it sucks and something is broken, and it's made the racing total crap as a consequence. Discuss.

 

[sturk0167]

Yeah, well, I just want to state that a dirty driver, or a series of dirty drivers are never gonna make me quit racing online.
If the game doesn't penalize them, I'll improvise. Things will eventually get squared up, and we keep on truckin. 👍

Again, I realize that most people don't have the same approach as myself, but when I have a race ruined by some jerk who destroys me intentionally, and for no good reason, there's nobody who wants to enter the next race as badly as I do.

I understand that conditions will never be ideal, but I have fun racing anyways. Sometimes you just get dealt a bad hand, but you gotta ante up for the next match, or you'll never see a good one.

There's far too many quitters, nowadays.

If you think the physics are bad, or the penalty system is bad, or the BoP is unfair, guess what? It's the same for everybody else. You aren't being picked on. Those things have an equal effect on all the other drivers. There's people who race all the time who never win, or win maybe just a couple of races per year. They still race all the time because they have fun competing. I love those people.

I think most of the people who come here and announce that they're quitting (there's so many ) are just too hung up on the results.✌️

 

[NevilleNobody]

Actually on the topic of BOP, it's been a while since I raced, how much has the nerf hut the Supra? That's a classic slow in-fast out car but i've not driven the group 3 since the nerf.

 

[TheOneDonJuan]

the issue that person is describing is only even a factor because of how little effort GT7 has put into Sport Mode. i was getting irritated in june/july by dropping points to B drivers who were a lot better than me at A, and running in rooms where i had to win in order to not lose points... but then i realized, if this is how people are able to keep playing this game, more power to them! personally, i moved on, because the online aspect of the game is somehow further from a racing simulator than it was when released.

its silly but instead of second accounts 'because the races are bad', i would love to see this thread be the base for a mass boycott of the mode. just something to unsettle whatever numbers that tell them they're doing good enough.... but a) i don't think we're enough here and b) PD might look at a drop in Sport Mode numbers and decide to make all three races into Multiplayer Music Rally.

Ah yes, the mass boycott theory. I remember when Pokemon people were floating this idea when Dexit happened. Honest question, if you didn't play Gran Turismo or stopped playing it....what options do you have for a game that offers similar combination of visual fidelity, online components, car history appreciation, FFB integration....etc? Honestly speaking? Assetto Corsa? iRacing?

 

[hollowkatt]

Yeah, well, I just want to state that a dirty driver, or a series of dirty drivers are never gonna make me quit racing online.
If the game doesn't penalize them, I'll improvise. Things will eventually get squared up, and we keep on truckin. 👍

Again, I realize that most people don't have the same approach as myself, but when I have a race ruined by some jerk who destroys me intentionally, and for no good reason, there's nobody who wants to enter the next race as badly as I do.

I understand that conditions will never be ideal, but I have fun racing anyways. Sometimes you just get dealt a bad hand, but you gotta ante up for the next match, or you'll never see a good one.

There's far too many quitters, nowadays.

If you think the physics are bad, or the penalty system is bad, or the BoP is unfair, guess what? It's the same for everybody else. You aren't being picked on. Those things have an equal effect on all the other drivers. There's people who race all the time who never win, or win maybe just a couple of races per year. They still race all the time because they have fun competing. I love those people.

I think most of the people who come here and announce that they're quitting (there's so many ) are just too hung up on the results.✌️

I'm not hung up on results, I'm hung up on the inability to have a clean race because inevitably some jackhat with a green flag decides their car needs to occupy the same tarmac as mine currently is and will channel their inner Senna to make it happen. And then I have 5 seconds of penalties, they get nothing, and cruise on to the finish while I'm taking a DR/SR hit putting me in worse and worse lobbies until there's really no fundamental difference between GT7 and Wreckfest other than at least Wreckfest has neat crashing physics and a destruction model.

Ah yes, the mass boycott theory. I remember when Pokemon people were floating this idea when Dexit happened. Honest question, if you didn't play Gran Turismo or stopped playing it....what options do you have for a game that offers similar combination of visual fidelity, online components, car history appreciation, FFB integration....etc? Honestly speaking? Assetto Corsa? iRacing?

Honesty? non-racing games are where I drift when GT7 Sport gets stupid. If I'm going to get murdered on the regular I might as well go play Dark Souls or something in that series. At least then when I'm murdered I know it's my fault and know how I can improve and avoid for next time.

 

[sturk0167]

And then I have 5 seconds of penalties, they get nothing, and cruise on to the finish while I'm taking a DR/SR hit

So what? It was a bad race. Go on to the next one, and try again.

 

[benjoi84]

A great deal of peace of mind can be gained from assuming race incidents are simple errors of judgement. I agree that the perpetrator should yield regardless, but that's a pretty high expectation (when it's met, it's very satisfying!). Either way like @sturk0167 says, things will even out, and the frequency with which I see outwardly dirty drivers lying wrecked on the side of the road later in a race confirms it for me.

 

[hollowkatt]

So what? It was a bad race. Go on to the next one, and try again.

I did. Happened again. Then I tried 4 more times. I've done 7 races today and 6 of them were ended by a Brazilian with skill issues.

 

[sixty4half]

Never seen a racing incident, it's always someone's fault.

That is disingenuous at best. Everyone that watches racing has seen racing incidents; except you?

yes, most of em are..


protect it from what? yourself?
its a rating based on your performance as a driver in a world you have very little control over.. if youre not comfortable at a track & do badly, your rating will reflect that & drop accordingly. its a rating, not a score.

It actually is a score. It's not an arbitrary letter given out based on how they judge your performance. The game calculates points given and taken at the end of the race and then adds or subtracts that from your total score. If you have enough points you raise in rank.

The game does not know if you can race a certain car on a certain track. It doesn't care and your points dont reflect this ability either.

So sure, to answer your "question," we are protecting our score from ourselves.