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No need for Sileighty or engine swaps to do well in race C. Just got my first victory (and half a dozen top3 finishes) in dealer S15 after hours of tweaking and trying different settings. QT 2:11,7xx atm.

Really like the tuning aspect in Race C. It's rewarding when you do well with something you spent lots of time building and tweaking.
 
Roggers
Sounds like you’re having the same problem as me at that chicane. As soon as the car makes contact with the ground again when you bounce over the chicane the rear just snaps and goes round on you. Lowering the torque for me made a big difference. I wonder if I was adding too much steering inputs to counter act the excessive FFB for my wheel.
Likewise I never really understood those settings either, I just moved them both to a setting I liked. But now I understand them and how my wheel was clipping. I’ve found tonight I was driving a lot better and way more consistent.


This is the official wording from the GT7 manual.
Steering Force Feedback
・Force Feedback Max. Torque
Adjust the maximum torque. This is an example of force feedback, which communicates information about the road surface to the driver through their tires. The greater this value, the duller the response from the tires when cornering hard. The lower this value, the more responsive the car becomes.

・Force Feedback Sensitivity
Adjust the resistance of the steering wheel when you start to turn it. This resistance is an example of force feedback, which communicates information about the road surface to the driver through their tires. The greater this value, the more responsive to changes the steering wheel will become. The lower this value, the more gentle steering becomes when driving in a straight line.



Did some Race B tonight and was pretty hectic. So didn’t help that I was in the Aston as I can’t stand dive the WRX round here very well, but people were trying to win races in the corner! I know the first lap is always the best time to make places up, but the people divebombing from 3 seconds back into T1. After lap 1 the race even itself out and some good race but still had people sending it on every corner. These short daily b races just brings out the bad in people I think. Last time I had a really good fun daily b was the Gr3s at Trail Mountain.
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to be fair Race B has about 3 (maybe 4) overtaking spots:
Into T1
Into T10 (run up the hill towards the hairpin)
Into T14 (Hairpin)

So yeah there's a lot of drivers going to dive bomb. I tend to go for it if I'm .3 or less back from the car in front. If it's more than that I fall back and regroup for another shot at the next heavy braking zone
 
Got myself a tune for the S15 Aero which I'm finally really happy with. I had to do some PP ferniggling in order to maximise horsepower along with adding ballast (damn those permanent upgrades!), I just shifted the downforce settings enough to maintain the aero effectiveness whilst saving myself a couple of points to get under 600.

I won't be winning any races (it's slower than my 180SX, by about a second, but doesn't suffer from deadly oversteer) but my Q10 to P9 this evening was about as exciting as any race can be.

An embarrassing sector 1 where a very speedy Spaniard driving a rake blew me away before turn 1, followed by a nice clean fight for road going through the esses with a very compliant German. Laps 3-5 were quite lonely but I had my eye on the delta where I could see the patient Swede behind keeping the gap between 1.6-0.8 seconds as we exchanged sectors. It all got very hot during final two laps when another Spaniard joined the battle. It caused me to lose a bit of time which brought the Swede into play and meant I was tucked up on the inside defending my lead from the pair of them as we approached turn 1 for the last time. We were 3 abreast and we all survived long enough to enjoy a clean an very enjoyable lap 7, crossing the line within 2 seconds of each other.
 
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Roggers
Did some Race B tonight and was pretty hectic. So didn’t help that I was in the Aston as I can’t stand dive the WRX round here very well, but people were trying to win races in the corner! I know the first lap is always the best time to make places up, but the people divebombing from 3 seconds back into T1. After lap 1 the race even itself out and some good race but still had people sending it on every corner. These short daily b races just brings out the bad in people I think. Last time I had a really good fun daily b was the Gr3s at Trail Mountain.
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Sorry you feel that way about Daily Race B's. They're the only races I've been doing, and for the most part, I love them. Yes, there have been some idiots, but honestly I'm just as capable of doing stupid things. And the more I check the replays after a race, the more I see that for most incidents, nothing was malicious (overly-aggressive, perhaps, but not malicious), and that many of them ended up being my fault!

Of course, DR status can make a difference in how other people drive. I'm a high B, so YMMV.

In this last race, there were two of us fighting for P2 on the last lap. He took the inside going into one of the tunnels because I messed up. Then I turned a little too sharp and hit his rear bumper. He slowed down to let me pass because he thought it was his fault. So I slowed a little through the long tunnel and let him by. He was followed by an idiot, but he got a big penalty when he hit me so I finished 3rd anyway. Fun times! (And I'll admit it's possible I was somewhat at fault for the last guy hitting me, but I didn't bother to check the replay because he got a penalty, so there was no point, really. But maybe he wasn't an idiot at all.)
 
Roggers
This is the official wording from the GT7 manual.
Steering Force Feedback
・Force Feedback Max. Torque
Adjust the maximum torque. This is an example of force feedback, which communicates information about the road surface to the driver through their tires. The greater this value, the duller the response from the tires when cornering hard. The lower this value, the more responsive the car becomes.

・Force Feedback Sensitivity
Adjust the resistance of the steering wheel when you start to turn it. This resistance is an example of force feedback, which communicates information about the road surface to the driver through their tires. The greater this value, the more responsive to changes the steering wheel will become. The lower this value, the more gentle steering becomes when driving in a straight line.
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I have to admit, those explanations never make much sense to me. More feedback from less torque seems to be the opposite of FFB. They don’t seem to be consistent in their descriptions of what the settings affect, which makes understanding them mostly futile. But I fiddle and find something I like. I also read online for setting and try them. If I find a super setting that gets me through that NGP chicane, I’ll let you know!
 
Bullwinkle
I have to admit, those explanations never make much sense to me. More feedback from less torque seems to be the opposite of FFB. They don’t seem to be consistent in their descriptions of what the settings affect, which makes understanding them mostly futile. But I fiddle and find something I like. I also read online for setting and try them. If I find a super setting that gets me through that NGP chicane, I’ll let you know!
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Indeed mate. I'd love to hear a clear explanation of what PD's trying to say.
 
@GrumpyOldMan I dropped my qualifying time. I think maybe 7-8 tenths or so off of yours. That said I'm not bothering to lower it any further. I still dislike the circuit and the racing is even worse. I'm B/B and lobbies feel more like a Dark Souls gank spank than they do racing. Bombs from nowhere, being shunted off track and getting penalized for it. Being rear ended at the hairpin which sends me into someone else which sends them off track and I get 4 seconds for that...

Sorry, completely disinterested in this level of bs. If I wanted randomized punishment I'd play Mario Kart and if I wanted to bash my head into a wall until the wall moves I'll do a NG+ Demon's Souls run.
Suffice to say you have won this week. Hopefully next weeks races aren't something I'd scrape off of my shoe and throw away
 
I spent several hours hammering out laps and tuning at Suzuka for daily C today. Initially I found every tune I had to be pretty much undriveable, found them much to tail happy. I tried @sdi_03 tune (https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt7-daily-race-discussion.404847/post-13937948) and but found that undriveable as well. So I went back to a non-turbo car and just started to work it. That allowed me to start to get a handle on the circuit and these cars. I played with tuning, learning what various settings did. I made a major discovery that help me immensely as well. I adjusted the FFB settings on my G29 and I set TCS to 1 and counter steer to strong. Suddenly the car became tame, I could feel more through the wheel and seconds started to drop...

I went back to @sdi_03 tune, which I had tweaked to further increase torque and PP to within a few thousandths of 600. I also adjusted the gear ratios to suit me more and to nearly rev out on the straights, giving me stronger acceleration and a happier third gear through the curves, and a stronger second out the hairpins. Considering when I started, my time was in the 2:30+ range. I managed to drop down to a 2:16.026. I had some fairly uneven sectors so the board suggests I should be around 2:15.4 if I was consistent. For a new DR D driver, I am pretty pleased with that.

I would like some feedback though. Below is my fastest lap from two angles. I know I'm not maximizing the track yet as I still find it easy to over push and drift off... Also I'm sure throttle and brake are not optimal (the G29 pedals, though modded are not great in feel..) and if there are better lines?





I was feeling confident to try a race, but then realized it was 1:20am! So tomorrow it will have to be.

BTW, with the change in wheel settings and counter steer, but with TCS at 0, I tried the BAC Mono on daily A again. Did a couple laps and look another second off my time for a 55 something. Currently around 1200 in the world, so I'm please with that. Found with the counter steer set to strong I could switch off the TCS and I think that gained me the extra second...

Final question, I have stock rims on my SX200. Those are 15". Does changing wheel to a larger size affect handling and PP?
 
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TheNormsk
Final question, I have stock rims on my SX200. Those are 15". Does changing wheel to a larger size affect handling and PP?
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Should have a minimal effect. PP barely changed when I tried different sizes for the Sileighty. However, as @km666 found out, some cars are still broken with rim sizes. :lol:
 
hollowkatt
to be fair Race B has about 3 (maybe 4) overtaking spots:
Into T1
Into T10 (run up the hill towards the hairpin)
Into T14 (Hairpin)

So yeah there's a lot of drivers going to dive bomb. I tend to go for it if I'm .3 or less back from the car in front. If it's more than that I fall back and regroup for another shot at the next heavy braking zone
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Spot on. It’s knowing when you’re close enough to be able to attempt a clean overtake. Ive seen a few attempt OTs from further back. Just annoying as you know they aren’t making the corner and either your car or someone else’s car will become a brake for them
GrumpyOldMan
Sorry you feel that way about Daily Race B's. They're the only races I've been doing, and for the most part, I love them. Yes, there have been some idiots, but honestly I'm just as capable of doing stupid things. And the more I check the replays after a race, the more I see that for most incidents, nothing was malicious (overly-aggressive, perhaps, but not malicious), and that many of them ended up being my fault!

Of course, DR status can make a difference in how other people drive. I'm a high B, so YMMV.

In this last race, there were two of us fighting for P2 on the last lap. He took the inside going into one of the tunnels because I messed up. Then I turned a little too sharp and hit his rear bumper. He slowed down to let me pass because he thought it was his fault. So I slowed a little through the long tunnel and let him by. He was followed by an idiot, but he got a big penalty when he hit me so I finished 3rd anyway. Fun times! (And I'll admit it's possible I was somewhat at fault for the last guy hitting me, but I didn't bother to check the replay because he got a penalty, so there was no point, really. But maybe he wasn't an idiot at all.)
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Deep Forest is one of my favourite tracks and I always love the racing there, just last night it got a bit crazy at times. I just feel like people rush too much when they see its only 4/5 laps and this then causes people to try overtakes at all opportunities. Make this race 10 laps and you find people will not rush overtakes. I’ll be jumping back on later to done more Daily B, new day, hopefully new people to race with so could have been a bad day yesterday.
 
I like the race B dailies since I can only play occassionally (work, life, family🤷🏻‍♂️). Therefore I just try to get the best out of me as clean as possible. I’m pretty proud rn to stay in DR C with SR S🥴 and last race at place 8 from starting grid 13 😂 just possible with staying as clean as possible. Sometimes I get angry too due to rammers and strange penalties 🤷🏻‍♂️ but it’s addictive.🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Wish they would do standing starts in race b, or at least reduce the distance between cars in rolling starts (even more). Just more fun with tight racing. I guess it can cause crashes, but as people have described above big gaps in short races ends up with people diving in anyway. Might as well give people a chance to learn how to race close.
 
hollowkatt
@GrumpyOldMan I dropped my qualifying time. I think maybe 7-8 tenths or so off of yours. That said I'm not bothering to lower it any further. I still dislike the circuit and the racing is even worse. I'm B/B and lobbies feel more like a Dark Souls gank spank than they do racing. Bombs from nowhere, being shunted off track and getting penalized for it. Being rear ended at the hairpin which sends me into someone else which sends them off track and I get 4 seconds for that...

Sorry, completely disinterested in this level of bs. If I wanted randomized punishment I'd play Mario Kart and if I wanted to bash my head into a wall until the wall moves I'll do a NG+ Demon's Souls run.
Suffice to say you have won this week. Hopefully next weeks races aren't something I'd scrape off of my shoe and throw away
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That's too bad, but if it's that painful to you, then I totally understand.
sixty4half
What does one have to do to get Invites to be in this QT fight club?
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Send us friend requests on the PS. My PSN is below my avatar, as it is with a lot of people. If not, ask them for it!
Roggers
Deep Forest is one of my favourite tracks and I always love the racing there, just last night it got a bit crazy at times. I just feel like people rush too much when they see its only 4/5 laps and this then causes people to try overtakes at all opportunities. Make this race 10 laps and you find people will not rush overtakes. I’ll be jumping back on later to done more Daily B, new day, hopefully new people to race with so could have been a bad day yesterday
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I hope you do have a better day. I guess I've just learned to live with other people's actions.

I was thinking about my races yesterday, and how I forgot about the guy who hit me 3 times from behind (spinning me out at least twice, maybe all 3 times), over the course of 2 consecutive races. At the start of the next race, I chatted telling him to stop hitting me. He responded with the canned "Good idea." It dawned on me that he was just making stupid mistakes, not being dirty. It just so happened that it was me 3 times in a row. I can't get mad at that, because last week I did the same thing to one guy twice in a race, and all I could think was he must think I'm doing it intentionally.

The 3rd race was funny, because I had the chance to pass him 2 or 3 times, but I didn't because I didn't want to be in front of him. I was happy to finish 4th instead of 12th. There was one point where he made a mistake and it was obvious I waited for him rather than pass him. My guess is that humiliated him way better than if I had just tried to take him out. :lol:

I guess my point is, (my) attitude is everything. Also, don't forget to check the replays. You never know what you'll find.
 
hyperspeed980
Was just in a Daily Race C with @naffantaityt in the lobby. Quality racing all around, although he was way ahead of me. :P Ended up finishing in a healthy 5th.

These tuning races really make me see why so many people love playing Sport mode. I hope PD keeps this trend up.
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I finally started fiddling with a Sileighty tune today. I couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t match anyone’s tunes and then realized I had already done the engine swap in it a while back and totally forgot. So I’m off on my own, it looks like.

I’d forgotten how much I love tuning. It’s why I got the game in the first place. I never anticipated actual tuning races, but I’ve discovered I often like them. But only when the PP system can’t be exploited. I mean, the ways to manipulate it are getting kinda stupid. They fix one thing and several other glitches seem to pop up.

An idea for tuning races popped into my head this morning. Tell me what y’all think. What if they did these tuning races with the HP and weight caps, but instead of PP try using a money cap on modifications? I’m sure there are all sorts of problems here, but wouldn’t it be interesting if you had to choose between spending money on body weight reduction as opposed to power or aero parts? It’s just a random thought.
 
GrumpyOldMan
I was thinking about my races yesterday, and how I forgot about the guy who hit me 3 times from behind (spinning me out at least twice, maybe all 3 times), over the course of 2 consecutive races. At the start of the next race, I chatted telling him to stop hitting me. He responded with the canned "Good idea." It dawned on me that he was just making stupid mistakes, not being dirty. It just so happened that it was me 3 times in a row. I can't get mad at that, because last week I did the same thing to one guy twice in a race, and all I could think was he must think I'm doing it intentionally.
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Whenever someone is tapping me in the same turn lap after lap, I try to alter my line or braking point if I’m comfortable with an alternate path and I know it’s not significantly slower. It typically works but occasionally ends in disaster.

I did 4 race B’s last night. P7 after getting a light punt from someone who must’ve really wanted a podium finish. P3 after a really fun race in the Mustang. P12 due to a dirty driver from a specific South American nation. P3 in the WRX to finish off the evening. Basically drove by myself the whole race as P1 & P2 got away after lap 1. Someone took out the guy behind me and it was clear driving for 4 laps. I caught up to the 2 guys up front hoping they would take each other out, but luck would not prevail.
 
GrumpyOldMan
That's too bad, but if it's that painful to you, then I totally understand.

Send us friend requests on the PS. My PSN is below my avatar, as it is with a lot of people. If not, ask them for it!

I hope you do have a better day. I guess I've just learned to live with other people's actions.

I was thinking about my races yesterday, and how I forgot about the guy who hit me 3 times from behind (spinning me out at least twice, maybe all 3 times), over the course of 2 consecutive races. At the start of the next race, I chatted telling him to stop hitting me. He responded with the canned "Good idea." It dawned on me that he was just making stupid mistakes, not being dirty. It just so happened that it was me 3 times in a row. I can't get mad at that, because last week I did the same thing to one guy twice in a race, and all I could think was he must think I'm doing it intentionally.

The 3rd race was funny, because I had the chance to pass him 2 or 3 times, but I didn't because I didn't want to be in front of him. I was happy to finish 4th instead of 12th. There was one point where he made a mistake and it was obvious I waited for him rather than pass him. My guess is that humiliated him way better than if I had just tried to take him out. :lol:

I guess my point is, (my) attitude is everything. Also, don't forget to check the replays. You never know what you'll find.
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Yeah the last 6 months I’ve learned now to do get angry or mad at these things. I just get my head and keep going to try recover to the best I can. Sometimes I’ve manage to get some really good results from not giving up. Can’t remember the last time I raged quit?
What frustrates me the most and with the racing yesterday was the fact I knew I could get good results from the races.
Oh well another day and another day or racing 👍🏻 🏎️ 🏁
 
Although I'm having great race after great race in the Silvia Sisters Online Event, I would also advocate for a change in the formula when it comes to tuning races.

It's a shame that in a race with specific cars, the game doesn't allow you to undo certain upgrades. Sometimes this can lead to a situation where you have an eligible car but either due to horsepower, but more usually weight limitations, you can't enter it. Looking at it a certain way, it's almost getting punished for spending more credits obviously not knowing it would bite you in the bum at a later time. Especially when you can't just buy another stock model in order to compete (still requiring spending even more credits!).

I never really fully understood why the game would need to make certain upgrades permanent, especially when this is a possible side effect. I know, it's for realism's sake but there's been plenty of chat on this forum before about how PD seem oblivious to certain aspects of realism and downright stubborn to others.
 
Bullwinkle
I finally started fiddling with a Sileighty tune today. I couldn’t figure out why I couldn’t match anyone’s tunes and then realized I had already done the engine swap in it a while back and totally forgot. So I’m off on my own, it looks like.

I’d forgotten how much I love tuning. It’s why I got the game in the first place. I never anticipated actual tuning races, but I’ve discovered I often like them. But only when the PP system can’t be exploited. I mean, the ways to manipulate it are getting kinda stupid. They fix one thing and several other glitches seem to pop up.

An idea for tuning races popped into my head this morning. Tell me what y’all think. What if they did these tuning races with the HP and weight caps, but instead of PP try using a money cap on modifications? I’m sure there are all sorts of problems here, but wouldn’t it be interesting if you had to choose between spending money on body weight reduction as opposed to power or aero parts? It’s just a random thought.
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I think there should just be a power limit and a minimum weight. The tuning, trying to get the car as fast as possible, should be done with suspension, gearing, differential and aerodynamics without affecting any "PP" points. Just like in real life racing (in principle).

And there are still possible variations to the concept, i.e. ruling out aero parts for a certain road car race.

I don't understand that PP concept anyways, and I think it will produce glitches forever. Get rid of it.
 
Leon Kowalski
I think there should just be a power limit and a minimum weight. The tuning, trying to get the car as fast as possible, should be done with suspension, gearing, differential and aerodynamics without affecting any "PP" points. Just like in real life racing (in principle).

And there are still possible variations to the concept, i.e. ruling out aero parts for a certain road car race.

I don't understand that PP concept anyways, and I think it will produce glitches forever. Get rid of it.
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I think without a (working) pp system you can never have a lot of different cars competing on equal footing.

Equal power and weight only works if everything else about the car is relatively similar. While things like transmission, tyres, brakes and other non power/weight parts tend to equalise because people then select the best possible option (unless pd restrict it on an individual basis) you then have issues with other inherent differences in the car, e.g. drive train, aerodynamics, axle/suspension geometries, centre of mass etc. So you still often end up with one car that is better than the rest.

So if you go by weight and power only at most you can probably have a few hand picked cars that will have similar performance. Which might not be a bad alternative. Or you do one make races, where tuning ends up mainly affecting the driving style of the car, not so much the pace, as we saw at nordschleife TT.

In the absence of a working pp system I would like to see a daily race which allows tuning on top of bop (with bop only controlling weight and power). I think allowing tuning of differential, transmission, aero, suspension, break balance, or at least some of them, could make a lot of cars competitive for a specific combination.
 
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I think without a (working) pp system you can never have a lot of different cars competing on equal footing.
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I completely understand your point. But in my opinion, the PP system should run solely "in the background", by which I mean internally in the game code, for PD to adjust the perfomance of cars which are put together in certain classes - to get BOP right.

Apart from that, I think PP is more or less irrelevant in daily races, because they are either BOP races, where PD themselves have to work out the balance between different cars (which they haven't done that well so far), or tuning races which could be relying on weight and power limitations alone (they have already done it that way, and it was okay).
 
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Leon Kowalski
I think there should just be a power limit and a minimum weight. The tuning, trying to get the car as fast as possible, should be done with suspension, gearing, differential and aerodynamics without affecting any "PP" points. Just like in real life racing (in principle).

And there are still possible variations to the concept, i.e. ruling out aero parts for a certain road car race.

I don't understand that PP concept anyways, and I think it will produce glitches forever. Get rid of it.
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👍I wrote a similar post some months ago😁
 
Pulled a 1.23.5 which I thought was my limit but it seems like I can squeeze some more out of it. It did keep me in the top 4000, barely.

Ran three races and got a 4th, 4th and 2nd. I screwed the pooch on lap 1 during the technical part. It started with an alfa passing me pre T1 and ended with 4 other cars passing before the mid lap straight. I clawed my way back to 4th but I should have been able to maintain P2.
 
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Leon Kowalski
I think there should just be a power limit and a minimum weight. The tuning, trying to get the car as fast as possible, should be done with suspension, gearing, differential and aerodynamics without affecting any "PP" points. Just like in real life racing (in principle).

And there are still possible variations to the concept, i.e. ruling out aero parts for a certain road car race.

I don't understand that PP concept anyways, and I think it will produce glitches forever. Get rid of it.
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I agree. PP seems to be irrelevant in this race C - I have 2 different tunes on the same car, both at the same weight and power, one has about 550pp, the other has 600!

I have no idea what has made the difference, but I do know that the lower PP version is faster.... 🤔
 
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Now that the Laguna race is over (alas) wanted to say that it was some of the best racing I’ve ever had on GTS/GT7.

On both Saturday and Sunday night I was in a series of A/B (and mainly S) lobbies with the same drivers. Qualifying times were close (1:20-1:21) and everyone raced clean. You could go into the braking zone without flinching in anticipation of a punt.

Haven’t tried this week’s races, but really hope this continues!
 
Hey guys, just wanted to give some more insight into people who divebomb the final hairpin at Deep Forest. What are they thinking? What do they hope to gain?

Well, I was one of those divebombers earlier this morning. Twice, in consecutive laps! The first time I only took myself out. The second time, I took several people out. So I decided I was a menace to the other drivers, apologized, and quit the race so I could take some time to consider the issue.

So WTF happened, right? Well, both times my brain glitched and I thought the 50 meter sign was the 100 meter sign, and I obviously braked waaaaaaay too late. How did it happen? No clue. I mean, there was traffic, and that can be distracting, but I don't think that was it. However my brain recognizes the patterns around the 100 meter sign just plain broke down. I even have the braking area assist turned on, but it starts so far before my actual braking point that I guess my brain ignores it there.

So now I'm paying extra super special attention to my braking point there, to make sure I don't do it again.

Anyway, I figured if it happened to me, it could happen to others. Call it a brain fart, lack of concentration, plain stupidity, or old age, but consider this explanation the next time someone does it. Maybe they're just old like me and should lose their license before they mix up the brake and the accelerator! (Knock on wood, I'm not close to old enough for that to happen IRL. I don't think. God I hope not!)
 

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