GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Tommy_D]

I noticed this a lot when driving races from the back. Many people seem to take it as a personal insult being overtaken and take revenge in the next corner...🙄

Yeah, I thought that may have been the problem so I kept working on my qualifying time between races to try to make up some spots on the pole. I was able to get my time to 1:34:5 which moved me to 4th on the pole instead of 8th. Well, now I'm just target practice for everyone behind me in to turn 1.

There is also something really strange happening in this race where people are ghosting all the time for no real reason. They are driving normally, going around a turn, maybe not perfectly on the racing line, and all of a sudden they ghost, then come back solid, then ghost and come back solid again.

I have tried avoiding these players but if I'm right behind them through a turn and I have a faster line, I put my foot to the floor to get around them. Well, their ghost ends up intersecting me and when they eventually unghost they smash into the side of me spinning me out.

Why are they ghosting in the first place? If they arent sideways or actively spinning out, shouldn't they be solid? Shouldn't I have to race against these players as if they were actual cars on the track with me not some sort of half real / half fictional car that can come in and out of reality at any moment? My guess is that these players are taking offense to me "stealing" their racing line and when they unghost that take me out. I wouldn't be stealing their line if their car would remain solid the whole time they are driving. I physically couldn't do that.

Daily race B is a complete mess because of this.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Well, now I'm just target practice for everyone behind me in to turn 1.

EDIT: Removing comment because I didn't know what I was talking about.

There is also so.ething really strange happening in this race where people are ghosting all the time for no real reason.

EDIT: Removing comment because of information provided below (apparently this happens in lower DR lobbies).

 

[Famine]

There is also something really strange happening in this race where people are ghosting all the time for no real reason. They are driving normally, going around a turn, maybe not perfectly on the racing line, and all of a sudden they ghost, then come back solid, then ghost and come back solid again.

I have tried avoiding these players but if I'm right behind them through a turn and I have a faster line, I put my foot to the floor to get around them. Well, their ghost ends up intersecting me and when they eventually unghost they smash into the side of me spinning me out.

Why are they ghosting in the first place?

Are you racing DR D and E drivers? They do that.

 

[Tommy_D]

Yeah, I'm stuck in level D right now. I've been able to hang with B level drivers and have good competition with other C level drivers but I can't get out of the D's when I pole 4th but get punted down to 7th. Daily race A is at least a normal race with respectable drivers. I can make up a few positions and usually end up on a podium at the end. Maybe I need to keep running that race to get my driver level up and hopefully leave these races I'm currently in.

 

[Fezzik]

Yeah, I'm stuck in level D right now. I've been able to hang with B level drivers and have good competition with other C level drivers but I can't get out of the D's when I pole 4th but get punted down to 7th. Daily race A is at least a normal race with respectable drivers. I can make up a few positions and usually end up on a podium at the end. Maybe I need to keep running that race to get my driver level up and hopefully leave these races I'm currently in.

Race A is unranked - does not affect DR or SR.

 

[Prince Blight]

There are those of us that just like tuning and road cars and are utter complete piles of hot garbage when it comes to driving Group classed cars, like me. Any BoP race, I can say with absolute certainty I will be 3-5 seconds behind anyone in the top 100. Give me a car I can tune, and I will perform significantly better even though I'm just an average driver.

 

[TheNormsk]

Yeah, I'm stuck in level D right now. I've been able to hang with B level drivers and have good competition with other C level drivers but I can't get out of the D's when I pole 4th but get punted down to 7th. Daily race A is at least a normal race with respectable drivers. I can make up a few positions and usually end up on a podium at the end. Maybe I need to keep running that race to get my driver level up and hopefully leave these races I'm currently in.

Daily Race A does not affect your DR or SR rating. I was confused as I read somewhere that this week's race did and I've been getting 1st spots on it but my DR was not changing. Then I noticed that it was a no DR/SR race like other weeks.

So I've been racing race C and got a 5th, 1st and 2nd in three races at the put my DR line from no line, to around 66%. If I can get some more top three spots then that may be enough to get up to a DR C....

 

[Talon16]

Yeah, I'm stuck in level D right now. I've been able to hang with B level drivers and have good competition with other C level drivers but I can't get out of the D's when I pole 4th but get punted down to 7th. Daily race A is at least a normal race with respectable drivers. I can make up a few positions and usually end up on a podium at the end. Maybe I need to keep running that race to get my driver level up and hopefully leave these races I'm currently in.

In the lower lobbies, cars ghost much quicker as the tolerance to ghost is much larger. This happens because these drivers are - typically - much less experienced and often crash into others. By ghosting, these crashes are avoided... in theory.

I am going through these same teething problems on this new EMEA account I just created. Sitting at E|B and it's a mess. Decided to just go try-hard and win as many races as possible to get my ranks up quick. Don't have a lot of races in yet (maybe 5) but my quali time is usually a second+ of P2. So, all I have to do is survive the first half of a lap and it's cruising to victory; not particularly fun, but a necessary evil as I am trying to get out of those lobbies ASAP. I've raced against someone who had over 400 races and was SR of E. Like... wtf?

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

@Tommy_D I stand corrected, and I removed my previous comments. My apologies for assuming anything was due to your skill at T1, and I appreciate your restraint at not telling me to **** off.

 

[sixty4half]

Just ran a Daily B in the Mustang Gr. 4 and went P6 to P4 with a fastest lap of roughly 1:35.3. Quali time was a 1:34.2. Of the 16 cars present, 13 were WRX Gr.4s. The other three were an Alfa, a Lamborghini and me in the Mustang.

Honestly folks, give the Mustang a try. It carried me to a win and a 3rd place at La Sarthe last week and this week it landed me a P4. It's such a sleeper car.

The Mustang is about 1-2mph faster than the WRX on the straights, this is increased slightly more when in slipstream.

You've got to be able to handle the Mustang though. You can't just stomp on the gas at the apex like you can with the WRX. That is the reason that the WRX is meta. The Mustang, due to its handling, will also pick up penalties easier thru the technical section so be aware.

I've raced it a few times this week. My confidence level was higher in the WRX which ultimately led me to abandon the Mustang.

 

[newmedia_dev]

In the lower lobbies, cars ghost much quicker as the tolerance to ghost is much larger. This happens because these drivers are - typically - much less experienced and often crash into others. By ghosting, these crashes are avoided... in theory.

I am going through these same teething problems on this new EMEA account I just created. Sitting at E|B and it's a mess. Decided to just go try-hard and win as many races as possible to get my ranks up quick. Don't have a lot of races in yet (maybe 5) but my quali time is usually a second+ of P2. So, all I have to do is survive the first half of a lap and it's cruising to victory; not particularly fun, but a necessary evil as I am trying to get out of those lobbies ASAP. I've raced against someone who had over 400 races and was SR of E. Like... wtf?

I found the exact thing going the other way UK to US I was back to my UK B/S on the US account in about 10 races with the new account. What I found is that once you get up to your actual real level it slows down a lot as the margins are just that much smaller and the competition fairly well matched in pace...maybe not it race craft though

Annoying last week I qualified better on my second account than my main one....typical!

 

[Tommy_D]

In the lower lobbies, cars ghost much quicker as the tolerance to ghost is much larger. This happens because these drivers are - typically - much less experienced and often crash into others. By ghosting, these crashes are avoided... in theory.

Funny how these people ghost when they are driving somewhat normal, albeit missing some of their apexes, but they don't ghost when they go full speed into you on the hairpin at Deep Forest knocking you from 2nd to 8th place and they get a small penalty. I don't remember experiencing this much of an issue when I first started to play in Sport mode. I made my way through DR D pretty easily and got in the DR C then had some troubles at Daytona getting punted around through the chicane and losing too many positions, which dropped me down to level D. Now I'm stuck there. So it's a bit annoying.

Race A is unranked - does not affect DR or SR.

Wait... What? Is it always like this?

@Tommy_D I stand corrected, and I removed my previous comments. My apologies for assuming anything was due to your skill at T1, and I appreciate your restraint at not telling me to **** off.

I didn't take what you said as anything mean. I think I take turn 1 pretty well. Like you, I drive the Alfa. I use the concrete wall on the right side of the track as my braking marker, start fully on the right side of the track, drop down to 2nd gear while trying to trail brake towards the apex, get hard on the gas and usually exiting the turn in 3rd on the right side curbing. If I don't have someone divebombing me on the inside, I usually gain some distance on other drivers through this corner. But people like to divebomb because they do it all the time against the AI and thats how they get ahead. People like to use you as a stopper when you are going through the hairpin because they don't know their braking markers or are just a-holes.

Anyway, I dont do Sport races too often. I think I have maybe 30 races under my belt. I just got into it last night because I completed all my grinding events, purchased some cars and wanted to try something different.

 

[Fezzik]

Wait... What? Is it always like this?

Almost always since last May I believe - I can only think of one week that was ranked.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Daily A has been unranked for quite a while. The image above it is a bit hard to miss as it sort of just looks like design clutter and not connected the A image

 

[newmedia_dev]

Almost always - I can only think of one week that was ranked.

It was ranked for about a month after launch and then sadly changed. I miss the Clio races it had ranked

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Can anyone give me some insight as to how to drive the WRX compared to the Alfa, at Deep Forest? I get much better times in the Alfa (1:33.497 currently). I can't get within a second and a half of that with the WRX. I know this isn't a simple thing to explain, but perhaps something like "well, with the WRX you have to ..., vs. the Alfa which lets you do ..." or something like that.

I didn't take what you said as anything mean. I think I take turn 1 pretty well. Like you, I drive the Alfa. I use the concrete wall on the right side of the track as my braking marker, start fully on the right side of the track, drop down to 2nd gear while trying to trail brake towards the apex, get hard on the gas and usually exiting the turn in 3rd on the right side curbing.

Whew - thanks. Sounds like you've got the corner down well. I usually start braking after the 100m board - probably at 80m. Crest the Apex at 60mph, and I hit 3rd before I hit the right-side curbing.

Anyway, I dont do Sport races too often. I think I have maybe 30 races under my belt. I just got into it last night because I completed all my grinding events, purchased some cars and wanted to try something different.

Sport races are a mixture of good and bad, but I'm totally addicted to them. Almost always B, because C is too long for my attention span, and A with no DR points seems boring.

Good luck and hope to see you out there!

 

[newmedia_dev]

Can anyone give me some insight as to how to drive the WRX compared to the Alfa, at Deep Forest? I get much better times in the Alfa (1:33.497 currently). I can't get within a second and a half of that with the WRX. I know this isn't a simple thing to explain, but perhaps something like "well, with the WRX you have to ..., vs. the Alfa which lets you do ..." or something like that.


Whew - thanks. Sounds like you've got the corner down well. I usually start braking after the 100m board - probably at 80m. Crest the Apex at 60mph, and I hit 3rd before I hit the right-side curbing.

Sport races are a mixture of good and bad, but I'm totally addicted to them. Almost always B, because C is too long for my attention span, and A with no DR points seems boring.

Good luck and hope to see you out there!

No assists*,focus on single continuous acceleration out of corners, most short shifting to 3rd in the WRX for deep forest. It's not as nimble as the 155 so you take a slow in fast out approach.

If you nail the final hairpin you should be in second for the apex and short shifting to third for the run down the hill.

The WRX (and GTR) have really strong mid range torque curves and that's what you have to lean on.

Raw pace and no assists I can be quicker in the 155 it's just really ragged and edgy to drive it like that all the time. The WRX is a smoother car by comparison.

Edit: also they have longer gearing than the 155 which is why they can catch and pass it on the straights even though the 155 seems to get out of the corners quicker it's either in a lower gear or has to change up earlier

*but ABS default or weak

 

[sixty4half]

Anyone know what happened to yesterday's #1 QT at Deep Forest? There was someone who put up a 1.31.17x. Half a second faster than JOSTIEBAND but there was no replay available. I wonder what they did that shaved .5 and got their time deleted.

 

[Tommy_D]

Raw pace and no assists I can be quicker in the 155 it's just really ragged and edgy to drive it like that all the time. The WRX is a smoother car by comparison.

I found the WRX to be super twitchy through the esses after the first turn. It did not like me downshifting while being on the brakes. Any small amount of steering input would whip the car around. While the Alfa does this too, I found it to be much more controllable and the back end doesnt come around on me.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Almost always since last May I believe - I can only think of one week that was ranked.

Yes, that was the week of doom with the Civic at Laguna, right? Seemed like either a mistake from PD or an evil experiment 😆.

It was ranked for about a month after launch and then sadly changed. I miss the Clio races it had ranked

Me too. It was my start into online racing, and lots of fun.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I found the WRX to be super twitchy through the esses after the first turn. It did not like me downshifting while being on the brakes. Any small amount of steering input would whip the car around. While the Alfa does this too, I found it to be much more controllable and the back end doesnt come around on me.

Leave it in 4th until the curbs on the left. That corner sequence for me is slight brake, left, down shift and and accelerate briefly to the positive camber right that you brake deep in to.

The 155 is a good car through there but if you are more gentle on the inputs but progressively positive the WRX is very stable.

You can see the aggressive inputs people make in to the long right hander before the tunnel where the back of the car gets lose on entry 155 or WRX

Watching the slower top times for the WRX you can see it's pretty stable if you are smooth although they do push track limits to the errrr limit for those times. But the car is fairly composed through the laps where as the 155 is quick it looks untidy

 

[benjoi84]

I've raced against someone who had over 400 races and was SR of E. Like... wtf?

Maybe they participated exclusively in Race A's

 

[shadow0460]

Think I’m done with the online dailies until the penalty system gets sorted. Got bumped down to SR B because I kept getting punted off and receiving track limit penalties, and have no hope of improving SR B because the races are so dirty. Shame as I was really enjoying it up until a couple of weeks ago, but it’s just too frustrating now.

Assume everyone behind you is going to punt you and everyone beside you is going to push you off track, you will crash and get a penalty. As you approach the braking zone, look in the mirror. If someone is drafting, move over, inside if you can. Don't enter your braking zone til you do.
Once in the braking zone if you can pull your front bumper even with their windshield, you're good to take the inside unless either of you is is a Formula style car. In that case, you have to pull up to where your front wings are even. This is not a dive bomb! Drivers entering from the outside need to look in the mirror and make the same judgement. If the trailing driver has a chance of cutting across the optimum racing line while you're on it, set up to apex near the middle of the track. If you're sure you can stay ahead, though, apex on the inner curb.

Hey guys, just wanted to give some more insight into people who divebomb the final hairpin at Deep Forest. What are they thinking? What do they hope to gain?

Well, I was one of those divebombers earlier this morning. Twice, in consecutive laps! The first time I only took myself out. The second time, I took several people out. So I decided I was a menace to the other drivers, apologized, and quit the race so I could take some time to consider the issue.

So WTF happened, right? Well, both times my brain glitched and I thought the 50 meter sign was the 100 meter sign, and I obviously braked waaaaaaay too late. How did it happen? No clue. I mean, there was traffic, and that can be distracting, but I don't think that was it. However my brain recognizes the patterns around the 100 meter sign just plain broke down. I even have the braking area assist turned on, but it starts so far before my actual braking point that I guess my brain ignores it there.

So now I'm paying extra super special attention to my braking point there, to make sure I don't do it again.

Anyway, I figured if it happened to me, it could happen to others. Call it a brain fart, lack of concentration, plain stupidity, or old age, but consider this explanation the next time someone does it. Maybe they're just old like me and should lose their license before they mix up the brake and the accelerator! (Knock on wood, I'm not close to old enough for that to happen IRL. I don't think. God I hope not!)

I don't trust the replays. I saw way too many in career mode that did not show what actually happened. They're just eye candy to me. I still watch them but I take them with a grain of salt.
I feel ya on the brain fart. Two momentary lapses of attention cost me in the Nations Cup at 9pm. On one the game said I crossed pit lines. I can't even see an exit line at Trial Mountain, and haven't since 1998. I didn't think to just stay left til T1.
The second was far more serious. On the second right just after the long straight I thought it would be a good idea to check the leader board and patyself on the back. I thought P1 had fitted RS tires again. I was 17 seconds back and I was expecting P2 to pit anytime. It was lap 13 after all.
Bad move. That wall comes up real fast, especially when the Living Legend is airborne. The front end landed with brakes on. The back end was so light at that point it just came right on around and nailed the wall. I was on the gas and wound up crossing the road, then backing up and rejoining traffic. I only felt one impact on my DS5 controller but got penalties for two, three seconds total.
I was happy to take fourth and exchange compliments with other drivers even after finishing 9 seconds behind P4. I was wrong, the two I had been chasing did the required tire changes.
If not having the penalties would have changed the outcome certainly the one spun out would have.
My advice: leave the red braking zones on. Even if they're wrong you get a reference point as to where you should brake.

 

[sturk0167]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but they sure picked a bad place to put the penalty zone at Deep Forest.
It's in one of the tunnels, and when the cars are serving penalties, and become ghosts, they are (for me)hard to see.

I've smashed into a couple of them, and seen several more accidents, due to cars reappearing in the darkness.

 

[Famine]

I don't trust the replays. I saw way too many in career mode that did not show what actually happened.

Weird. Every time I've recorded a replay and paired it with a live recording as a PinP video, it's matched 1:1.

Can you give examples?

 

[sixty4half]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but they sure picked a bad place to put the penalty zone at Deep Forest.
It's in one of the tunnels, and when the cars are serving penalties, and become ghosts, they are (for me)hard to see.

I've smashed into a couple of them, and seen several more accidents, due to cars reappearing in the darkness.

as far as penalty time it is in a great place. A .5 penalty turns into a 1.0 and anything over 1sec only adds about .7 due to it being close to the braking zone.

The visibility is a problem though. Made worse sometimes by the other drivers. I had a penalty and the car behind me decided to take the left lane out of the corner. He blocked me from moving into the penalty lane and chaos ensued. The mustang behind me saw it and moved. The alfa behind him did not see what happened and rear ended me into the Mustang that just passed me and murdered him. The Lambo behind the alfa went wide and then caused a three or four car wreck behind me. Utter ****ing chaos.

 

[newmedia_dev]

@shadow0460 the problem with all the track markers is they are great when learning a track but after awhile you realise that they are very conservative. The other issue is that they create false expectations in competitive human racing. If you train your self to follow the markers you aren't training yourself to adjust to what's happening around you.

For example in a train of cars the brake markers are useless and just visual clutter. You have to brake earlier than the car in front or lift first because you don't know when they will brake.

Ideal line and apex markers are the same, you wouldn't learn to go right and or wide and switcheroo if you're following the lines. With so much going on in a race it's better in the long run to find reference markers that you learn around. Ah in traffic I brake earlier than the 100m board if I'm going for a block pass I wait till I'm at it etc.

Fixed braking zones help to understand the corse but are not great to develop race craft especially depending on which Camera you use.

Just my 2p on it

Edit:

Just to add I haven't seen any top level streamers using the visual aids or game aids except for the variable TC on ACC.

Yes use them to learn but move that learning upwards to go safer and quicker.

 

[sixty4half]

@shadow0460 the problem with all the track markers is they are great when learning a track but after awhile you realise that they are very conservative.

In Deep Forest, on the corners leading up to Start/Finish, I see nearly everyone sticking to the yellow line that swings way out to the right. People dont realize that driving line is for Gr1 and Gr2 cars. Gr4 cars dont generate enough speed to be slowed down when taking those corners tight. You can stay WAY left and cut about .2 secs a lap because your cutting so much track.

The drivers behind me are so stuck in their ways they wont even draft me thru those corners and they end up losing about .1-.2 seconds AND their opportunity to Send It on the next corner

 

[newmedia_dev]

In Deep Forest, on the corners leading up to Start/Finish, I see nearly everyone sticking to the yellow line that swings way out to the right. People dont realize that driving line is for Gr1 and Gr2 cars. Gr4 cars dont generate enough speed to be slowed down when taking those corners tight. You can stay WAY left and cut about .2 secs a lap because your cutting so much track.

The drivers behind me are so stuck in their ways they wont even draft me thru those corners and they end up losing about .1-.2 seconds AND their opportunity to Send It on the next corner

100% also squaring off the first corner is faster, yes you "miss the apex" but in reality in a GR4 car you are giving yourself a massive run up for the exit and technical section. Not ideal in race mind you as the wider turn in invites "opportunistic" or "ambition out weighs talent" overtakes and your stuck out wide when you were trying to apex late

Just to add to my other post faster driving techniques like trail braking just aren't shown in those markers either. Having good fidelity throttle and braking inputs is way more valuable than just a wheel for example

 

[Rossell2]

Fairly bumper cars race although I did score what can only be described as a Felipe Massa in Singapore overtake at the final hairpin. My hard work would somewhat be challenged for the rest of the race but hey ho.