hollowkatt
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I wish I had the confidence in the character of humanity to have this point of view.
GT7 Daily Race Discussion
- Thread starter Pigems
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I recognise this too. I respect you fess up to it.
There is another thing that I am only now learning slowly. The stress of competitive racing pushed me to try as hard as I can. So I did not leave any margin for error or any space for competitors. As a result I collided a lot that could have been avoided by just conceding less than a 0.1 second margin at a corner.
I am now learning that allowing that minimal space and margin actually makes me faster. By avoiding a lot of unnecessary collisions. And I ruin fewer races for others.
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- hodd10w
Done that a few times across many tracks. Even breaking way way too soon which causes as much carnage!!
Great QT time BTW. Cant see me getting near that. Can't break 1.34
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Great post and very good insight..
Another trick I like to employ to help clarify my braking points in traffic is to ease off the gas just a little and move across just enough that I can spot my brake marker and keep my peepers glued to it.
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- nukewells_OG
It doesn't appear that torque plays an adequate role in the PP calc. I suspect that is what you are seeing. This is also an issue that would still be present in a Power/Weight system, but at least then you could take other measure to possibly make up for it without being punished by the PP system.
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God damm I feel like I’ve been the gym and had a proper work out on Daily B tonight.
Been using the Lexus RCF as it’s nice to drive and has decent pace round here, but the corner exits the WRX is OP. So all my races I’ve done I feel like that person who brings a knife to a gun fight, 12 WRXs, 3 Alpha 155’s and then me in the RCF. At the start the Lexus powers away and I can always beat a car into T1, and then it’s pretty much a fight to keep the Scubis behind while catching the leaders. My average finishing position has been P8-P9 but all depends on lobbies. Been having a few mixed ones tonight.
Best was my last one, started P8, got the jump on P7 into T1. For the next 2 laps I was catching g the front runners but had to also defend the WRX behind me. Managed on L3 to put a 1.5 gap to P8 and this allowed me to then close up. L4, P5 & P6 had a little show down and this allowed me to take a spot in the tunnels and then pass P5 on the back straight. Then on L5 I made another overtake in the run up to T2, T3. Finished P4. Good fun the Lexus but hard work to grind results.
Been using the Lexus RCF as it’s nice to drive and has decent pace round here, but the corner exits the WRX is OP. So all my races I’ve done I feel like that person who brings a knife to a gun fight, 12 WRXs, 3 Alpha 155’s and then me in the RCF. At the start the Lexus powers away and I can always beat a car into T1, and then it’s pretty much a fight to keep the Scubis behind while catching the leaders. My average finishing position has been P8-P9 but all depends on lobbies. Been having a few mixed ones tonight.
Best was my last one, started P8, got the jump on P7 into T1. For the next 2 laps I was catching g the front runners but had to also defend the WRX behind me. Managed on L3 to put a 1.5 gap to P8 and this allowed me to then close up. L4, P5 & P6 had a little show down and this allowed me to take a spot in the tunnels and then pass P5 on the back straight. Then on L5 I made another overtake in the run up to T2, T3. Finished P4. Good fun the Lexus but hard work to grind results.
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Two (or three) stories from race C:
First of all, I love that car. Kudos to whoever made that base livery, which I allowed myself to modify a bit:
As the forum grandmaster of road car racing, our good friend @Nebuc72 hasn't revealed this week's holy grail of tuning yet (or has he?), I went with Praiano's tune and, yes, that went quite well. After getting used to it, the car feels quite smooth to drive around. Granted, it likes to show that the rear can go in all kinds of directions, and the braking is atrocious (standard brakes and pads due to PP limitations), but in qualifying, where you don't have to share the track with other cars, you can lap quite consistently and be quick. I was able to shave off a whole second of my previous best, resulting in a 2:10:7 which put me in P44 on the global leaderboard. So, obviously, it can't be the driver, it's definitely the tuning.😆
The actual races were a different story. Three podium finishes in three races, one from pole position, but no wins. I'm too inconsistent and mistake-prone. But all in all, not too bad. The lobbies were mixed, from DR A+ to B, mostly everyone SR S.
But in one race I had quite some trouble with an english driver, fighting the whole race and changing positions several times, and he took away P2 from me with a push-to-pass maneuver in the final chicane. We had a not-so-friendly chat afterwards, which started with him calling me "muppet". Which I found rather funny. I replied "bad style". He then: "Leave space when I'm on your inside" Me: "Don't dive into me in every corner" He: "You brake too early". Then time ran out, before I could hand out my next super clever reply, which should have been... err... 😬
But I learned something from that race, because I realised what had caused all this: totally different tunings. I was better on acceleration and top speed, he was much better on the brakes and in the tight corners. That led to often being separated by half a second and then coming back together in the tight turns. I had to brake veeeery early (standard brakes, as said before), which gave him a lot of diving opportunities. He just started to push-to-pass me when he lost patience in the later laps. Admittedly, after I had tried to leave space in the early stages, I stopped doing that after having been pushed several times. And, another little problem with the tuning in an actual race: due to the lack of front downforce, if I'm committed to a line through a corner, every new steering input (i.e. to open the line a bit) can be dangerous as it may result in losing grip, massive understeer and not making the corner at all.
So, all in all, I heavily recommend driving race C (it's fun), using a good tuning, and being aware that cars may have completely different braking points and drive completely different lines due to completely different tuning settings.
Completely cheers.🍻
First of all, I love that car. Kudos to whoever made that base livery, which I allowed myself to modify a bit:
As the forum grandmaster of road car racing, our good friend @Nebuc72 hasn't revealed this week's holy grail of tuning yet (or has he?), I went with Praiano's tune and, yes, that went quite well. After getting used to it, the car feels quite smooth to drive around. Granted, it likes to show that the rear can go in all kinds of directions, and the braking is atrocious (standard brakes and pads due to PP limitations), but in qualifying, where you don't have to share the track with other cars, you can lap quite consistently and be quick. I was able to shave off a whole second of my previous best, resulting in a 2:10:7 which put me in P44 on the global leaderboard. So, obviously, it can't be the driver, it's definitely the tuning.😆
The actual races were a different story. Three podium finishes in three races, one from pole position, but no wins. I'm too inconsistent and mistake-prone. But all in all, not too bad. The lobbies were mixed, from DR A+ to B, mostly everyone SR S.
But in one race I had quite some trouble with an english driver, fighting the whole race and changing positions several times, and he took away P2 from me with a push-to-pass maneuver in the final chicane. We had a not-so-friendly chat afterwards, which started with him calling me "muppet". Which I found rather funny. I replied "bad style". He then: "Leave space when I'm on your inside" Me: "Don't dive into me in every corner" He: "You brake too early". Then time ran out, before I could hand out my next super clever reply, which should have been... err... 😬
But I learned something from that race, because I realised what had caused all this: totally different tunings. I was better on acceleration and top speed, he was much better on the brakes and in the tight corners. That led to often being separated by half a second and then coming back together in the tight turns. I had to brake veeeery early (standard brakes, as said before), which gave him a lot of diving opportunities. He just started to push-to-pass me when he lost patience in the later laps. Admittedly, after I had tried to leave space in the early stages, I stopped doing that after having been pushed several times. And, another little problem with the tuning in an actual race: due to the lack of front downforce, if I'm committed to a line through a corner, every new steering input (i.e. to open the line a bit) can be dangerous as it may result in losing grip, massive understeer and not making the corner at all.
So, all in all, I heavily recommend driving race C (it's fun), using a good tuning, and being aware that cars may have completely different braking points and drive completely different lines due to completely different tuning settings.
Completely cheers.🍻
GrumpyOldMan
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- dagware
I just shared my Deep Forest Qualifying in the Alfa, at 1:33.651. I'm a high B and I use all the assists. You can find it in the Showcase. Search for "gtp5", and I'm "dagware". Hope it helps someone.
Make sure you watch one of the leader's replay, who uses your car. I like to record it so I can watch it over and over again. It's the best way I know to find out where you can improve your time.
EDIT: I just shared my Q replay. See the top of this post.
To be completely honest, it's just a choice on my part to make me not get so ticked off all the time. It's just easier on my blood pressure to think about it this way. That, and the number of times the replays have shown me I was wrong to be upset.
Thanks. This is the strangest Daily Race B I can remember, with respect to qualifying. As far as I remember, in the other races, I always felt that there was a better time to be had by me - I just couldn't put it together. But for this race, I just can't see where I'm going to be able to improve on my time. In fact, I can't come close to it most of the time. And yet, people are obviously getting better times, with the car I'm using. We'll see if I get lucky and find some more time.
Make sure you watch one of the leader's replay, who uses your car. I like to record it so I can watch it over and over again. It's the best way I know to find out where you can improve your time.
EDIT: I just shared my Q replay. See the top of this post.
First of all, I hate you. No qualifying?!? I'd still be trying to catch the next-to-last-place car. I see you used the Corvette. I love the feel of that car on this course, but I can't match my Alfa time - not by a long shot. Do you have any tips on using the Vette on this track?
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- SR_Vule
It's more fun this way, you get to see all the carnage in front and fight a bit, but of course, it's not always P16>P7, most of the time you get punted and spun around by some special friend for no reason whatsoever. And of course you get a penalty for hitting the fence because somebody rammed you like there's no tomorrow.Regarding the Vette, it's definitely not the fastest around here, but I just like it, it's pointy, sounds nice, doesn't oversteer, it's very very stable under braking. The gearing is unfortunately wrong for this track, you can't really use second gear anywhere other than the exit from the hairpin, leading to the finish line. So, first corner, downshift easily into 2nd, then 3rd on the way out, keep in 4th, downshift to 3rd only for the tunnel, and then again, 4th all the way to the left corner leading to the back straight. There, downshift to second but immediately upshift to 3rd on the way out and that's it. It was probably easier to record a lap than to type all of this, but hey
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Ok so I jumped to my A account just for a quick quali lap, I don't use it anymore but it's good for testing
Of course, this is literally the first attempt, it could probably go to very low 1:33s if I put some time into it and cut some corners a bit more.
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TheNormsk
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Ok so I jumped to my A account just for a quick quali lap, I don't use it anymore but it's good for testing
Of course, this is literally the first attempt, it could probably go to very low 1:33s if I put some time into it and cut some corners a bit more.
It's so smooth it looks slow but it's 2 seconds faster than anything I can do currently. 👍
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- djolliea
I was racing in the pink Aero S15 behind you and the Englishman in one of those races, finishing 2nd after your struggles in sector 1. All in all had a very good day: 7 victories and 5 fastest laps. My DR also raised to A+ 🎉
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GrumpyOldMan
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That looks good! If you get a better Q lap, share it from Showcase and use keyword "gtp5" (5th week) and let us know. Thanks!k so I jumped to my A account just for a quick quali lap, I don't use it anymore but it's good for testing
I hate when that happens! There's no way to tell when your tires stop being dirty, right? I mean, no visual indication on the HUD?
Been a really up-and-down week so far, including my SR:
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Can't find the tune you're referring to. Is this from a YTer?
Obelisk
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Just ran a Daily B in the Mustang Gr. 4 and went P6 to P4 with a fastest lap of roughly 1:35.3. Quali time was a 1:34.2. Of the 16 cars present, 13 were WRX Gr.4s. The other three were an Alfa, a Lamborghini and me in the Mustang.
Honestly folks, give the Mustang a try. It carried me to a win and a 3rd place at La Sarthe last week and this week it landed me a P4. It's such a sleeper car.
Honestly folks, give the Mustang a try. It carried me to a win and a 3rd place at La Sarthe last week and this week it landed me a P4. It's such a sleeper car.
TheNormsk
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I'm really like race c this week. After about 6 hours of tuning and qualifying practice where I ended up with a time in the high 1:15s, I entered three races. Turns out for my rating my qualifier is about 3 seconds faster than anyone else so I'm in pole each time. Funny thing is, is that for consistency I am usually in the 1:18s with spurts in the 1:17s and occasionally 1:16s. Not sure how I got that 1:15.x as I can't seem to replicate it. It may have been a particular tune I tweaked and forgot about... LOL.
First race, leader nerves got the best of me and I had a very shaky first lap into the S curves. Lost it on one which allowed the pack to get along side and then got punted into the gravel at the Dunlop curve. 1st to 12th(?). I rejoined and gradually fought my way back up to end at 5th. Shame about the mess up but it was kind of fun being laser focused to catch up and pass the cars in front that I knew were much slower than me based on their qualifying time.
Second race, pole again and this time there was no drama and I drove it like I was qualifying but just off the pace to ensure I would not lose it. Every lap was a consistent 1:18.3 is +/- 0.3 seconds. Easy victory with clean racing bonus. Second place was a driver by the name of Gramps that I maintained a constant 8 (ish) second gap to.
Third race, I'm pole again, and Gramps is in 2nd again. My start was okay but Gramps and 3rd were on my tail and as a result I was a bit more shaky in my driving. I held the lead through the first lap and on lap 2 into the S-curves, I lose it on T6 and end up in the gravel. Gramps catches me and takes the lead. I manage to get back onto track before 3rd but they're right on my tail. I start to focus on catching Gramps.. I'm about 1 second a lap quicker and do begin to catch up, but I'm being hounded my 3rd. They're faster in the curves but I'm faster in the straights. By lap 3, 3rd puts themself out of the picture at T9 so I can just focus on Gramps. I could see they were under pressure but somehow I was never able to take advantage at the turns when they went wide. I'd go inside but they would manage to out accelerate me and keep the lead. Several times we were side by side. On lap 6, I probably could have taken them at the hairpin but it would have risked side impact and I was having fun and I was okay with 2nd, so I did not push it. Still though I was all over the back of Gramps. Here I learned something! Entering T17 at the Casio Triangle I would stay on track. Found out Gramps would cut straight across the corner with no penalty! Damn. They would gain like 0.5 second per lap with that move. Track limits are very liberal on race C!. Anyway, last lap Gramps was all over the track (must have been on a controller) and while I was close enough to take advantage if they put themselves out, I was not going to risk losing 2nd on the last lap. Amazingly Gramps held on and took the win with me 2nd. It was the funnest race I've done so far!
First race, leader nerves got the best of me and I had a very shaky first lap into the S curves. Lost it on one which allowed the pack to get along side and then got punted into the gravel at the Dunlop curve. 1st to 12th(?). I rejoined and gradually fought my way back up to end at 5th. Shame about the mess up but it was kind of fun being laser focused to catch up and pass the cars in front that I knew were much slower than me based on their qualifying time.
Second race, pole again and this time there was no drama and I drove it like I was qualifying but just off the pace to ensure I would not lose it. Every lap was a consistent 1:18.3 is +/- 0.3 seconds. Easy victory with clean racing bonus. Second place was a driver by the name of Gramps that I maintained a constant 8 (ish) second gap to.
Third race, I'm pole again, and Gramps is in 2nd again. My start was okay but Gramps and 3rd were on my tail and as a result I was a bit more shaky in my driving. I held the lead through the first lap and on lap 2 into the S-curves, I lose it on T6 and end up in the gravel. Gramps catches me and takes the lead. I manage to get back onto track before 3rd but they're right on my tail. I start to focus on catching Gramps.. I'm about 1 second a lap quicker and do begin to catch up, but I'm being hounded my 3rd. They're faster in the curves but I'm faster in the straights. By lap 3, 3rd puts themself out of the picture at T9 so I can just focus on Gramps. I could see they were under pressure but somehow I was never able to take advantage at the turns when they went wide. I'd go inside but they would manage to out accelerate me and keep the lead. Several times we were side by side. On lap 6, I probably could have taken them at the hairpin but it would have risked side impact and I was having fun and I was okay with 2nd, so I did not push it. Still though I was all over the back of Gramps. Here I learned something! Entering T17 at the Casio Triangle I would stay on track. Found out Gramps would cut straight across the corner with no penalty! Damn. They would gain like 0.5 second per lap with that move. Track limits are very liberal on race C!. Anyway, last lap Gramps was all over the track (must have been on a controller) and while I was close enough to take advantage if they put themselves out, I was not going to risk losing 2nd on the last lap. Amazingly Gramps held on and took the win with me 2nd. It was the funnest race I've done so far!
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It will be this one - great tune from a great tuner!
PRAIANO'S TUNES : SETTINGS FOR GT7
I tried this tune, I get 757.44pp, am I missing something? Edit: I was thinking of the wrong car. My bad.
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Yes. First corner - carnage. Three corners before the small tunnel - carnage. Then the next left corner before the downhill - carnage. And of course the hairpin. Didn't have a single clean race yet even though I take the maximum care possible. Starting from the back certainly doesn't help but still...
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How come PD can sort out matching for WS events but not for Daily Races?
I often get races where 80% have similar ratings while the others are one DR level higher and have poor SR ratings as well. Seems like the dross from above sinks to the more respectful racers below.
PD need to fix this.
I often get races where 80% have similar ratings while the others are one DR level higher and have poor SR ratings as well. Seems like the dross from above sinks to the more respectful racers below.
PD need to fix this.
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- SR_Vule
It's also the matter of how many people are online currently, I guess for WS many people don't want to miss the event and log in at exact time, but for daily races sometimes you get paired with B/A, sometimes with B/S, B/B, whatever, it's just the availability of players on the current local server.
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I have heard this reasoning many times. It just doesnt hold water. These folk are always poor SR drivers and always a higher DR level. I very rarely see the field “padded” with poor SR drivers at the same DR level.
Yesterday, I was in a “race” where 5 or so B/B drivers appeared in a field of C/S drivers. The B rated drivers all finished ahead of the field, bar one that quit.
Personally, I would rather race in smaller fields of equally skilled drivers rather than for this practice to continue.
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Of course, I agree, but that's probably not going to happen ever.
GrumpyOldMan
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- dagware
I really, really want to use the Mustang, but I just can't compete with my times in the Alfa. Maybe I should try again.
I'm just not seeing this in my Daily Race Bs, at least not to the degree you guys are. Knock on wood, by the way. It must have to do with the lobbies themselves, and where you start. For me, I'm a high B and my QT usually puts me in the top 5 or 6. I've gotten CRB in 1/4 of my races. My SR jumps around from S to B and back, though, because of my stupid driving and getting penalized because of other people's mistakes.
EDIT: I did see someone being a jerk on Lap 1 T1 just now. He took the inside and pushed another car off to the side. But the other driver wasn't having any of that, and before the lap was over, the offending driver found himself near the back of the pack. Justice was served by the offended driver. I silently applauded.
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