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GT7 Daily Race Discussion
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I never said no contact...lol. Rubbin' is definitely racin'. Unfortunately I don't have time for your second video, but I thought the first one illustrated what I was trying to get across. At about the 50s mark the Nissan out brakes but barely, holds the inside line and then backs off. That may have been a little later into turn-in than my post implied, but its a fraction of a second grey area. If that was a typical day in Race B, the Nissan would have just drove thru and pitted the Supra...lol.
And then if you move onto the other passes, those were all solid half car to full car advantages in the braking zone that held clean thru the over take.
That first video also demonstrates one of the more annoying flaws in the GT7 physics. The rear end of the cars is way too unstable. That Supra took some pretty good taps to the rear bumper and barely moved. Totally convinced that same event in GT7 would have sent the Supra spinning.
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Reading some of the posts on load cells made me wonder if I'm short-changing myself with the brake load cell on my Logitech Pro pedals. (In case you don't know, it's adjustable in multiple ways.) I thought that a softer brake pedal would give me more of a chance at varying my braking speed. You know, longer travel, easier to find 1/4, 1/2, etc. But now I'm wondering if that's wrong thinking. I know that a harder brake, i.e. shorter travel, would make it quicker to get to full braking power. But is it possible that the shorter travel might make it easier to judge 1/4, 1/2, etc?
Yes, I can just try it and see, and I intend to do just that. But I wanted to hear your opinions too. Thanks!
Yes, I can just try it and see, and I intend to do just that. But I wanted to hear your opinions too. Thanks!
Dragonwhisky
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I reckon it boils down to how much of your leg you want to use to brake. Max distance and resistance will have you possibly using your leg all the way to your hip/back. Min distance and resistance will have you just using your ankle and the weight of your foot. Mostly it'll be about you tinkering with it until you find what works best for you. From my perspective, less is better. For wear and tear on the equipment, not to mention your body, which, from my impression, is well north of 20 laps around the sun completed.
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I would also like to see opinions on this. I have a T300 RS GT with the load spring pedals add-on and went for the softer springs for the same reasoning (plus I am "elderly" and not so strong in the legs anymore).
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Umm, yeah. You are right. The WRX is faster than the Alfa.
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I don’t have a load cell so it might work differently. Couldn’t you use the softer brake setting and then adjust the the amount/% of pedal travel that works for you?
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I'm not sure what you mean by travel. Is the travel adjustment just the initial slack in the pedal? There should be very little brake input in the slack portion of travel. The load cell itself has zero travel (effectively, i'm sure it travels microns in reality...lol). The intent of the load cell is to mimic a hydraulic brake, which is purely pressure based once the slack is taken out of the pedal. And the higher performance the car, the less slack in the pedal in my experience.
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I tightened up my brake load cell, and immediately got a new best QT (not by much, but still...) I like the shorter travel - I was at 41mm, and now it's 24. I can go a little tighter but I think this is good.
The numbers represent how far the pedal travels before max braking.
That wouldn't really work, at least not for me. I still need the feedback from the pedal.
"Travel" is how far the pedal moves before max braking. The Logitech Pro load cell has different elastomer pieces that have varying degrees of stiffness:
The numbers represent how far the pedal travels before max braking.
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As I tried to explain to someone else the other day, what “they” say is that your feet are better able to remember pressure than distance of travel, so load cell brakes record the pressure of your foot and travel distance has nothing to do with it. My experience jibes with this. The pedal will still travel a little bit depending on the polymer springs you choose, but it’s ultimately cushioning the pressure required to max out the load being recorded by the cell. You can make it soft or stiff, but you will also calibrate the pedal to your own specs. So even if you have super stiff springs (more resistance and less travel) you can still calibrate them to need less pressure to max out. Or vice versa.
I went the stiff route and calibrated my Fanatec pedals to not need extreme pressure. It’s truly a game changer because my feet go right to the correct pressure when I’m trail braking and I don’t have to think about anything. I highly recommend the upgrade.
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There’s also in game settings for pedals that allow you to choose the “travel” distance of the pedals and when the game registers 100% braking force. 🍻
Edit: I should’ve just read the post above before spouting off about stuff I don’t really know about lol🫣🍻
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Classy. Someday I'll upgrade from the Ricmotec, but I think I want to get an iracing PC first since I seem to be doing ok.
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Daily race B. Been a good start to the night. My 1:24:716 QT gets me in top 3 usually of lobbies. Had a race with @DQuick earlier too!
Got 3 podiums out of 5 races and two victories!
Got 3 podiums out of 5 races and two victories!
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I thought that race was going to bump me to A rating. I was right on the edge and went up 9 places in that race.
Next race I was in a lobby with A's and A+'s. It was easily the dirtiest worse race of the week. Everyone was out for blood.
I want to go back to the mid B range. Seems very competitive but comfy.
Always good to see a friend in the lobbies. Congrats on the victories..
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BruceAlmighty
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@ D Quick......... thanks but that was not your fault hitting me. It was more mine because
I popped a guy and slowed waaaay down and lost my line going into that turn.
I popped a guy and slowed waaaay down and lost my line going into that turn.
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I had the exact same issue this week!
Was a very high DR B and had a very similar QT (1:24.7xx) which same as you would put me on pole or top 3 in the B lobbies. I'd win one of these races and then the next race would be filled with a mix of A+ / A / B and would be mid to back of the pack. These races would be a complete bloodbath with mainly the A/A drivers dive bombing and using you as a mobile barrier on corners, being completely dirty and I'm guessing doing anything hey could to hold on to their A DR rating.
I'd end up getting punted in these races and then next race would be back to being filled with B/S and it would be a comfortable top 3 finish. This happened a couple of times until I was able to stay out of trouble in a couple of the A DR races and was able to make up a lot of places from people fighting amoungst each other. After a few of these races of staying out of trouble I was finally able to reach DR A and I know one thing for sure, since then I have tried to be as clean as possible as I'm not going to stoop to their level all for the sake of holding onto a DR level.
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GrumpyOldMan
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You're absolutely right, and I use that too. Mostly to not activate the brake if I happen to rest my foot on it. But I also used the top end some early on with this pedal.
I honestly do miss being a B. I always got seeded near the top, so I didn't have to wade through the carnage that happens mid- or later in the seeding. And obviously it's more fun to get a podium than P5-6, even if P5-6 could earn me just as much DR as a podium win would have in DR B.
That happened a lot to me the last few weeks (alternating between a high seed and a mid-to-low seed). Did not enjoy it.
As for trying to race as clean as possible in spite of the carnage, I salute you. Unfortunately, even when I try to be that way, my dark side manages to sneak out. It only takes a little to get me in the "so THAT's how you wanna play it, huh?" mode. I'm not proud of it, but it is what it is.
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Thanks! Yeh after yesterday I'm now mid B DR (was very low) and definitely had some A lobbies. No consensus on driving yet. Will say the B lobbies were great, fun, and clean yesterday. Thanks for the race!
Also had a fun race with you. Think you were second behind me for like 5 laps and then you must hat hit sand? You dropped fast. Wish we had more lobbies yesterday
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NOTE: My purpose here is NOT to be critical of drivers from any countries, and especially not any forum members. It's just to discuss things. I've tried to be positive in my comments. I hope I succeeded.
A member of ours was recently posting about his belief that the majority of drivers from a particular country tend to be overly aggressive, bordering on being dirty. He may or may not be correct, and I'd like to discuss it. Let's call this country "Carbumbya", which is the name of a fictional country I made up because I thought it sounded funny. Any similarities to any other countries, real or fictional, are purely coincidental (honest!!).
In a race this morning, a driver from Carbumbya was seeded right behind me. He was the only driver from a country other that the US (my country). He did something which I would definitely describe as "being overly aggressive, bordering on dirty". I had to laugh when I noticed he was the driver from Carbumbya.
So, does this mean all drivers from Carbumbya generally drive that way? Well, it's certainly a possibility, but this one incident doesn't prove anything. Even if there were a handful of drivers from Carbumbya doing the same thing, all that really proves is that those specific drivers act that way.
But then let's say you start seeing that kind of driving again and again from Carbumbyan drivers. It could be an example of Confirmation Bias. This is the tendency of seeing things that confirm your belief, to the exclusion of other things that might disprove it. For example, there are other drivers from other countries acting that way, but you ignore them.
There is another possibility, though, and that is that there actually is a tendency for Carbumbyan drivers to be what I would consider overly aggressive. Let me explain.
Many years ago I knew someone who lived for many years in a country I'll call "Inyourfacia". He told me that in that society, Inyourfacian men have a tendency of "getting in your face", when discussing or arguing with each other. It's a cultural norm, and you're not respected as a "man" if you don't do that. There's no real animosity there, well maybe some, but it's generally followed by back-slapping and mutual respect.
With this in mind, it's also possible that people (probably men) from Carbumbya are just acting the way men in their society generally act. They may not even realize that people from other countries consider that rude, or if they know they don't care, because it's not a "manly" attitude.
I'm not saying all this to be critical of anyone, and especially not our member who was posting about this. But my point is that you can never be sure what's going on. If you believe that all people from Carbumbya drive that way, then go ahead and drive the same way with them. But be aware that it could just be Confirmation Bias, and you end up being the "overly aggressive, bordering on dirty" driver who ends up giving drivers from your country a bad name.
Me personally, I'll take it on a case-by-case driver. I won't be the initial aggressor (not intentionally, anyway). But if someone from Carbumbya acts aggressively towards me, I won't get upset - I'll assume it's normal, and respond in kind. Not driving dirty - just adjusting the parameters of what I consider clean-ish driving. But I always need to be sure it wasn't just an honest mistake - I don't want to be known as the jerk. (That ship may have already sailed.)
If you reply to this, please remember that it is against forum rules to single out specific countries in negative ways, and it's probably not a good idea to do it in positive ways either lest you be misunderstood. That's why I used fictional names.
A member of ours was recently posting about his belief that the majority of drivers from a particular country tend to be overly aggressive, bordering on being dirty. He may or may not be correct, and I'd like to discuss it. Let's call this country "Carbumbya", which is the name of a fictional country I made up because I thought it sounded funny. Any similarities to any other countries, real or fictional, are purely coincidental (honest!!).
In a race this morning, a driver from Carbumbya was seeded right behind me. He was the only driver from a country other that the US (my country). He did something which I would definitely describe as "being overly aggressive, bordering on dirty". I had to laugh when I noticed he was the driver from Carbumbya.
So, does this mean all drivers from Carbumbya generally drive that way? Well, it's certainly a possibility, but this one incident doesn't prove anything. Even if there were a handful of drivers from Carbumbya doing the same thing, all that really proves is that those specific drivers act that way.
But then let's say you start seeing that kind of driving again and again from Carbumbyan drivers. It could be an example of Confirmation Bias. This is the tendency of seeing things that confirm your belief, to the exclusion of other things that might disprove it. For example, there are other drivers from other countries acting that way, but you ignore them.
There is another possibility, though, and that is that there actually is a tendency for Carbumbyan drivers to be what I would consider overly aggressive. Let me explain.
Many years ago I knew someone who lived for many years in a country I'll call "Inyourfacia". He told me that in that society, Inyourfacian men have a tendency of "getting in your face", when discussing or arguing with each other. It's a cultural norm, and you're not respected as a "man" if you don't do that. There's no real animosity there, well maybe some, but it's generally followed by back-slapping and mutual respect.
With this in mind, it's also possible that people (probably men) from Carbumbya are just acting the way men in their society generally act. They may not even realize that people from other countries consider that rude, or if they know they don't care, because it's not a "manly" attitude.
I'm not saying all this to be critical of anyone, and especially not our member who was posting about this. But my point is that you can never be sure what's going on. If you believe that all people from Carbumbya drive that way, then go ahead and drive the same way with them. But be aware that it could just be Confirmation Bias, and you end up being the "overly aggressive, bordering on dirty" driver who ends up giving drivers from your country a bad name.
Me personally, I'll take it on a case-by-case driver. I won't be the initial aggressor (not intentionally, anyway). But if someone from Carbumbya acts aggressively towards me, I won't get upset - I'll assume it's normal, and respond in kind. Not driving dirty - just adjusting the parameters of what I consider clean-ish driving. But I always need to be sure it wasn't just an honest mistake - I don't want to be known as the jerk. (That ship may have already sailed.)
If you reply to this, please remember that it is against forum rules to single out specific countries in negative ways, and it's probably not a good idea to do it in positive ways either lest you be misunderstood. That's why I used fictional names.
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lol yep sounds about right
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One is denying the existence of culture if some countries are not more aggressive in their driving than others. It is what it is, ever stood in a line up in southern europe vs north america? It's bedlam.
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My experience is that drivers in some particular country are, on the whole, not as dirty as their rep (but lean to above average aggression). And, that the percentage of drivers from two of the NA countries (and I am from one of them) are, or can be, more dirty than one would think based on what one might read in these and other forums.
As for the concern about one country, I think language barriers might play a role. I have, and I am sure we all have, seen some discussions/anger/debate in chat after a race and then the two parties get it sorted and then next race you see them doing the "thanks for the clean race" to each other. I think the chance to vent and then communicate sometimes leads to an "I'll show you I am not a dirty driver, " and then they each race accordingly and there is no long term bad blood.
But, if two parties cant vent and communicate in a way that each get's the other's point, then most of the time things don't get resolved, and one or both may think there is still a score to be settled. The 'no worries" is helpful, but does not always do the trick.
I think language barriers are a big part of the problem.
As for the concern about one country, I think language barriers might play a role. I have, and I am sure we all have, seen some discussions/anger/debate in chat after a race and then the two parties get it sorted and then next race you see them doing the "thanks for the clean race" to each other. I think the chance to vent and then communicate sometimes leads to an "I'll show you I am not a dirty driver, " and then they each race accordingly and there is no long term bad blood.
But, if two parties cant vent and communicate in a way that each get's the other's point, then most of the time things don't get resolved, and one or both may think there is still a score to be settled. The 'no worries" is helpful, but does not always do the trick.
I think language barriers are a big part of the problem.
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I tolerate everything other than punts and getting purposely squeezed out off the track.
So, next week's Race C was one of my favourite combos in GT Sport. What are the chances that it will be the GT500 cars and not the McLaren or CLK?
I haven't raced online in forever and this combo plus VR has me really excited but I need it to be the GT500 cars.
So, next week's Race C was one of my favourite combos in GT Sport. What are the chances that it will be the GT500 cars and not the McLaren or CLK?
I haven't raced online in forever and this combo plus VR has me really excited but I need it to be the GT500 cars.
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Had a blast last night using the BRZ of all things. I figured it would have pretty good tire wear, but I managed to do 8 laps on Medium and then switched to hards. I was amazed at how that car isn't very quick, but it will do a 1:38 nearly every lap. I ran my fastest lap on lap 2 at a 1:38.0 and then on lap 6 put up another 1:38. Then once I switched to hards the fuel load was so low I ran another 138 on the final lap. The long run medium strategy really paid off for me last night.
