GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Bullwinkle]

here's what I found: If I can be along side the TT on the inside of the first bend at Trial Mountain I can make it cleanly through and they have to back off. If I'm on the outside (and savvy drivers will force you to take that line) you're the one who has to back off.

So ya know just do that

You'd like to think so. The last time I tried that the guy just punted me through turn 2 and into the wall before the tunnel. I've tried the outside line as well, but mostly I've decided to just back off a bit and follow. Now that I'm driving the Audi, however, it's become irrelevant! We're all going the same speed!

I might actually build plywood bass for the chair to raise it up a bit and then I can bolt it down in my preferred comfy position which will also eliminate the mid section lifting when I stomp on the pedals. Can't justify spending any more money on this, so I need to hack a solution. Plywood base and some 2x4s should do the job.

I did exactly that for my PlaySeat. Bolting it down helped a LOT with the flex. I also put casters underneath the platform so I could move it around. They also add a little more height, which is a bonus in your situation. Good luck! I'd give you mine, but unless you live in southern Illinois it's not worth the expense to ship it.

 

[CmdrParabolus]

You'd like to think so. The last time I tried that the guy just punted me through turn 2 and into the wall before the tunnel. I've tried the outside line as well, but mostly I've decided to just back off a bit and follow. Now that I'm driving the Audi, however, it's become irrelevant! We're all going the same speed!

I did exactly that for my PlaySeat. Bolting it down helped a LOT with the flex. I also put casters underneath the platform so I could move it around. They also add a little more height, which is a bonus in your situation. Good luck! I'd give you mine, but unless you live in southern Illinois it's not worth the expense to ship it.

Same.

 

[TheOneDonJuan]

Alright after experimenting with racing in VR it seems I have to shelve it for the time being because it cannot stop giving me the Can't Read Room error which loves to pop up during GV corner section. It pauses my game for a split second and then figures itself out only to ruin my lap. I haven't jumped into any Daily Races for fear it's going to do this in my race and have decided to just give up entirely until I'm 100% ensured it won't do it. I do prefer racing in it and believe I'm a little faster in it but it's too inconsistent. At least mine is or in the room I'm playing in.

Went back to pancake and managed a rather stress-free 3rd in the 911 fighting with a Ford GT to just obliterates the 911 in the straights. Not confident enough in that car to try it but might tomorrow. My first podium in a LONG time (DT Reverse) so was happy about that.

 

[FluxWildly]

I've only had the chance to do a couple of races in B so far this week. Found my best time with the Mustang with a 1:59.8xx but this is the first time I have really ever driven it tho.

For people familiar with this car, where on the rev range do you normally upshift? I noticed that it seemed to accelerate quicker at the lower rev range and appeared to slow down as it revs out. I found upshifting just past the 3/4 point on the rev range seemed to save me a couple of hundredths or so along the back straight. Could just be my imagination though....

But boy did they nerf the AWDs though! I actually used to enjoy driving the GTR but it is no where near competitive now. Perhaps they went too far with their bop adjustment.

 

[ILLEAGLE_34]

I've only had the chance to do a couple of races in B so far this week. Found my best time with the Mustang with a 1:59.8xx but this is the first time I have really ever driven it tho.

For people familiar with this car, where on the rev range do you normally upshift? I noticed that it seemed to accelerate quicker at the lower rev range and appeared to slow down as it revs out. I found upshifting just past the 3/4 point on the rev range seemed to save me a couple of hundredths or so along the back straight. Could just be my imagination though....

But boy did they nerf the AWDs though! I actually used to enjoy driving the GTR but it is no where near competitive now. Perhaps they went too far with their bop adjustment.

In the pre race menu you can go into car settings and from there select the ecu/racing computer option. It will show you a graph of when the rpm’s and the torque curves overlap and that should be about right🍻

 

[hollowkatt]

After setting a 2:00:7xx in the Jag I decided to see what other cars I had available. Still not interested in the TT but realized I had a Mustang with a sweet af Detroit Lions livery so that's what I'm currently driving. Not sure I like the performance though.


It's more wiggly through the initial curves headed into the first tunnel, but I like how it manages the curves into the second tunnel and how it gets through the section after the long straight.

The Jag though just feels a lot more planted through all the sectors and I like how the gearing matches up well with my driving style and capabilities.
I'm certain I can get into the 1:59s with either of them but my current time is good enough for pole in my lobbies so I don't really care all that much lolol

 

[FluxWildly]

In the pre race menu you can go into car settings and from there select the ecu/racing computer option. It will show you a graph of when the rpm’s and the torque curves overlap and that should be about right🍻

Thanks, I'll have to have a look tonight. IIRC wasn't there a site that listed at what speed to change through the gears in most gr.3/4 cars for optimal acceleration?

After setting a 2:00:7xx in the Jag I decided to see what other cars I had available. Still not interested in the TT but realized I had a Mustang with a sweet af Detroit Lions livery so that's what I'm currently driving. Not sure I like the performance though.


It's more wiggly through the initial curves headed into the first tunnel, but I like how it manages the curves into the second tunnel and how it gets through the section after the long straight.

Yeah I found the same thing. Wasn't too bad during QT but during the race the back end was very squirrily.
I found the 86 to feel a lot more planted and stable plus I was less than half a second off my best pace so I might give this a go tonight in a race.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

In the pre race menu you can go into car settings and from there select the ecu/racing computer option. It will show you a graph of when the rpm’s and the torque curves overlap and that should be about right🍻

Just a tad above that so that your revs drop to the most efficient when upshift.

I still haven't run any race B.
I went into QT last.night and that made.me remember that I absolutely hate the track.
There's not a single good section in it for me.

Chances are I just need to get gud but when ever lap feels like flagellation I just can't do it.

 

[Redneckchef]

Saying a specific Brazilian is a dirty cheat is within the rules I think

It also allows you to focus on the single player without resorting to name and shame, which is not allowed on here.

 

[AmateurDriver]

Absolutely!

Cool! I'll send you a friend request then!

 

[Barney Da Dog]

I'm done with the dailies this week - I think that for the first time, I don't enjoy a single race If Race C had different tyres and some strategy it may have been bearable. Will be trying the Manufacturer Cup instead and also try to improve on the Daytona time trial

 

[Leon Kowalski]

But boy did they nerf the AWDs though! I actually used to enjoy driving the GTR but it is no where near competitive now. Perhaps they went too far with their bop adjustment.

Yes, seems like they went from "too strong" to "too weak" with them. I'm hopeful that it's a work in progress, though, similar to Gr3, where there's now a variety of cars to choose from on every different track, and that it will come to a similar result for Gr4 in the coming updates.

 

[AmateurDriver]

I'm done with the dailies this week - I think that for the first time, I don't enjoy a single race If Race C had different tyres and some strategy it may have been bearable. Will be trying the Manufacturer Cup instead and also try to improve on the Daytona time trial

I agree with you. I found the track difficult to drive and to be competitive on (what my own faults are), timepenalty's aren't very consistent, but races with some strategy makes it more fun to me (tyrechoices, pitstops etc.).

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

t could be just me being off form tonight.

This is a long shot, but check your oil status. Mine keeps going to "bad" way quicker than I think it should.

I thought TM would be more spread out and let the race pace shine through but the high speed corners let people dive bomb from a second back. Guys
are immediately going for gaps as soon as they open up when they know it isn't going to last. Most notably the tunnel and corner after.

I agree, and in spite of what some people have said, I think it's a direct response to such a short race.

Same. Barely beat any A drivers

GVuess I'll find out. Just got bumped up.

But boy did they nerf the AWDs though! I actually used to enjoy driving the GTR but it is no where near competitive now. Perhaps they went too far with their bop adjustment.

Totally agree. And how is it possible they didn't know this? Don't they have people who can drive some test races? Heck, they don't even need a real race - just do some Q laps in one.

 

[Redneckchef]

So just been editing some clips from a night of racing I had in daily C. As the week has gone on I think I'm going to have to move on from my silly Hyundai, but had fantastic racing so far and hope it keeps up. Such a good track for keeping you alert as it or other cars seem likely to have a go at you at any time. And yes, it's a bit of highlights, leaving out where I got passed serving a penalty or wrecked (twice). And left out the passes on penalties too. But proof there is some fun there.

 

[Dairyworker]

Ran some more qt at TM after work yesterday and cut my time to a 1.58.8 which i felt pretty good about. Decided to drop in for a few races and it went ok. Nothing exciting or malicious to report. It seems the moostang is a bit slower than the TT but i can't drive the fwd cars, and in race i don't really feel it. Hope for a few more later today but i also really want to get over to race C for some q laps at least....

I recommend at least 15 minutes on the track for qt..... wink, wink....

 

[Nebuc72]

Meta? Who needs meta?

Super fun race with the 86, won against a Mustang by 0.012.

 

[AmateurDriver]

Super fun race with the 86, won against a Mustang by 0.012.
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Now that is what i call a photofinish!

 

[Talon16]

Had a really fun one in C yesterday in the Audi. I've decided, this is an MR week. I've only run MR cars at C and only plan to. Now that I am kinda used to them.

Anyway, this one was fun as the driver of the Merc was applying pressure the whole race.

Driver in Merc had a divebomb of the decade... went full Verstappen. I wasn't too pleased about it at the time (mainly because I got passed!) but I didn't fully cover the inside and he did make it stick. There was minor contact as I wasn't able to turn in when I wanted to, but that's just hard racing! All-in-all... fair play. GG, Kachaaw.

That being said, one inside move deserves another!



PS - I keep trying in the Ferrari but can't manage a win with it. Man that car sucks. It does nothing well. It's twitchy, not fast (158 on the straight), and the understeer is ridiculous. Going to give it a few more tries!

 

[Bullwinkle]

Thanks, I'll have to have a look tonight. IIRC wasn't there a site that listed at what speed to change through the gears in most gr.3/4 cars for optimal acceleration?

It’s probably GT-Eng!ne that you’re referring to. They have tons of information for GT Sport and GT 7, including all the BoP changes. They have shifting points for Sport but not 7, but you could probably still find useful info there anyway.

I agree, and in spite of what some people have said, I think it's a direct response to such a short race.

It’s purely anecdotal, but I find myself getting desperate midway through laps 3 and making silly decisions, so I think it’s fair to say that people drive differently on a four lap race where they know they have limited opportunities. I’m curious to see how the Manufacturers Series short track will go today with so many laps. It will give me some perspective on short track vs short race.

Totally agree. And how is it possible they didn't know this? Don't they have people who can drive some test races? Heck, they don't even need a real race - just do some Q laps in one.

I can’t help but feel they have one person in charge of reading daily race data and then making a few tweaks to see what happens. They clearly don’t test their own stuff as we found out the moment they used Grand Valley for the Manufacturers event last week!

Meta? Who needs meta?

To be fair, the Mustang is kinda meta-lite. 🤓

I decided that I couldn’t give up so quickly on Race B, so I did some more quali laps and switched to the Audi. I was finally competitive. No podiums, but I’m not getting murdered anymore. I even had some good racing mid-pack!

 

[NevilleNobody]

60/40 his fault. He runs very deep then cuts back across the apex when he should have stayed wide. In saying that, you fell for the "oh there's a gap" when in reality, it was likely to close. But TBH I felt like you had to go SOMEWHERE and he shouldn't have cut back so tight.

I still haven't run any race B.
I went into QT last.night and that made.me remember that I absolutely hate the track.

You QT is 2 tenths slower than mine and I had 4 races last night, two podiums and two top 5's in top splits. Your pace is there. I quite like the track, i'd get rid of the final chicane and make it a faster switch back, i'd also make the T1 through 3 less gimmicky but overall it's a good track imho.

So yeah last night, I was definitely the cork in the bottle, I qualify faster than I can consistently race. I'll do a GUN lap or two and pull away from the pack then a few small errors invites them back. Some people still poking their nose in at every damn corner. Was racing two guys regularly last night, one guy was blindingly fast but made the odd error so i'd get ahead, he would try and pass into t2, as in the right hander through the T1-T3 esses, like WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU MUPPET??? Suicide, it doesn't work 90% of the time. Then the dive into the right hander before the tunnel, great, we've both compromised our entry onto the straight now.

The other fellow is Bob Sacomano, he's brilliant, I am a touch faster but he is mr consistent, picks my pocket like a thief, never touches me.

 

[Dan_Tes]

Alright I'm right at the end of my patience with the daily races. It's been nothing but pain for a few weeks now and to top it all off; I've dropped to SR A even though I had two unbelievably clean races to start the week (no contact, no penalties but not given a 'clean race' award. I started Race C today on pole, had a really clean first lap but overtaken by a Ford GT in slipstream on the pit straight, left him room as I just wanted a clean race. He overcooked it into turn 1 aand hit the barrier forcing me to brake hard. No penalty for him and now I am in dirty air. I survive until the technical bit and then due to the heavy handed dirty air simulation my car became dramatically unstable; I saved it but two wheels in the dirt and lost a second, no problem I thought..! I am now out of dirty air and BAM 0.5 second penalty. Not only that I still had no grip on the left two tyres about four corners later and just completely lost it, hit the barrier for another 1.5 second penalty and AGAIN nose first into the barrier. RAGE

I continued for the experience and had a great race from 9th to 7th, only for the day to turn into night and on lap 8 suddenly and without warning the amount of grip changed, caught me by surprise and I cut the fast esses slightly for another 0.5 second penalty.. and then promptly slid into the barrier at the next corner NOSE FIRST AGAIN, then rammed by another car as apparently I wasn't ghosted despite yellow flags and stopped on the apex... FOR ANOTHER SECOND PENALTY.

I feel like I'm just up against it, I raced so hard to avoid others, even when they are losing control with penalties they still try and block you as you are coming up on them quickly. I try to race so clean and it just gets thrown back in my face at the moment.

Anyways, I might take the week off now even though I really like trying the new track in a race setting; The ******** of the penalty system and trying to keep it clean is a gauntlet I don't feel like facing at the moment.

Ok I've gone from end of patience to furious! So I thought I would just take race B for a test drive just to get some SR back and go for a gentle drive. Set a slow time as I'm completely out of the loop TM and Gr4 wise at the moment and was happy to just get through the race. But nope, now I'm SR A I'm in a lobby full of complete morons; I get punted three times on the first lap, get a barrier penalty for being punted, lap two dodging some sort of idiot-scrap I cut the corner on the fast esses at the start; another penalty which put me back in the stupidity bubble. Final lap, a guy (can we name and shame here?) who was driving dirty all game punted me again, hard, forcing me into the barrier for another 1.5 second penalty! He didn't even get a penalty this time. It is SO frustrating. So yeah, fair to say I'm out of love with the daily races at the moment and with SR down to A and deteriorating through no fault of my own, the racing is getting even worse (if we could call it racing.. that was a bloodbath).



There, I got it off my chest!

 

[Dan_Tes]

Looking at the replay in Race B, it was just one driver. I know there is nothing that PD will do about it, I think I even recognise the name from when I've gone down the SR ratings before.. Name and shame, upload on youtube??

 

[NevilleNobody]

There desperately needs to be contact penalties, it's the lesser of two evils. I know one gets blamed by the system incorrectly at times but with such a lenient system it's total bedlam.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Alright I'm right at the end of my patience with the daily races. It's been nothing but pain for a few weeks now and to top it all off; I've dropped to SR A even though I had two unbelievably clean races to start the week (no contact, no penalties but not given a 'clean race' award. I started Race C today on pole, had a really clean first lap but overtaken by a Ford GT in slipstream on the pit straight, left him room as I just wanted a clean race. He overcooked it into turn 1 aand hit the barrier forcing me to brake hard. No penalty for him and now I am in dirty air. I survive until the technical bit and then due to the heavy handed dirty air simulation my car became dramatically unstable; I saved it but two wheels in the dirt and lost a second, no problem I thought..! I am now out of dirty air and BAM 0.5 second penalty. Not only that I still had no grip on the left two tyres about four corners later and just completely lost it, hit the barrier for another 1.5 second penalty and AGAIN nose first into the barrier. RAGE

I continued for the experience and had a great race from 9th to 7th, only for the day to turn into night and on lap 8 suddenly and without warning the amount of grip changed, caught me by surprise and I cut the fast esses slightly for another 0.5 second penalty.. and then promptly slid into the barrier at the next corner NOSE FIRST AGAIN, then rammed by another car as apparently I wasn't ghosted despite yellow flags and stopped on the apex... FOR ANOTHER SECOND PENALTY.

I feel like I'm just up against it, I raced so hard to avoid others, even when they are losing control with penalties they still try and block you as you are coming up on them quickly. I try to race so clean and it just gets thrown back in my face at the moment.

Anyways, I might take the week off now even though I really like trying the new track in a race setting; The ******** of the penalty system and trying to keep it clean is a gauntlet I don't feel like facing at the moment.

Ok I've gone from end of patience to furious! So I thought I would just take race B for a test drive just to get some SR back and go for a gentle drive. Set a slow time as I'm completely out of the loop TM and Gr4 wise at the moment and was happy to just get through the race. But nope, now I'm SR A I'm in a lobby full of complete morons; I get punted three times on the first lap, get a barrier penalty for being punted, lap two dodging some sort of idiot-scrap I cut the corner on the fast esses at the start; another penalty which put me back in the stupidity bubble. Final lap, a guy (can we name and shame here?) who was driving dirty all game punted me again, hard, forcing me into the barrier for another 1.5 second penalty! He didn't even get a penalty this time. It is SO frustrating. So yeah, fair to say I'm out of love with the daily races at the moment and with SR down to A and deteriorating through no fault of my own, the racing is getting even worse (if we could call it racing.. that was a bloodbath).



There, I got it off my chest!

I’m not sure of your experience level, but your best bet is to do a few Races C and (safely) pulling over on the first lap and running way behind in clean air for the entire race. The number of clean laps matter, and a few races of ten clean laps each will bump your DR back up. It’ll hurt your DR, but maybe not as much as you’d think.

I winced when you said you tried Race B to get your SR back up. That’s not gonna work! Even in clean lobbies it’s nearly impossible to get a CRB. Avoid that race unless you pull over and run from the back as well. But you’d have to do twice as many races than Race C, which (I think) will kill your DR even more because you’ll have twice as many last place finishes.

Honestly, not that I think about it, maybe someone can chime in here: does the number of laps in a race affect the DR calculations?

Anyway, good luck! Be patient. Some weeks are just like this. You can go back and find some of my existential meltdowns over the same issues! You’ll get through it if you look at this as an opportunity to follow and learn from other drivers.

Looking at the replay in Race B, it was just one driver. I know there is nothing that PD will do about it, I think I even recognise the name from when I've gone down the SR ratings before.. Name and shame, upload on youtube??

They don’t like naming and shaming here for obvious reasons, but the ancillary benefit is that it prevents you from obsessing on bad drivers. I used to keep a hit-list of people who had ruined my races, and I’d enter a lobby and see them and my race would already be ruined by my plans for revenge. Just don’t do it. It’s not worth it. My best advice here is to just let it go and focus on improving yourself out of those lobbies. The bad drivers tend not to improve.

Also, as people always mention here, watch the replays. You may find that some of the incidents were genuine accidents or maybe even self-inflicted. I’m not saying that’s what happened to you in this incident, but I can say that I’ve cooled off many times after watching a replay. You can learn a lot by doing this, seeing what you could have done differently, and what you were able to control and what you weren’t. It’s eye opening.

Anyway, be patient. I know it sucks. I once had a Buddhist tell me to suck a **** when I reminded him to just breathe, so I know that this sort of advice isn't always well-received. But I promise that things will improve. Try the Manufacturers Series today for a nice change.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

You QT is 2 tenths slower than mine and I had 4 races last night, two podiums and two top 5's in top splits. Your pace is there.

I drove 3 laps and hated every one of them...

Edit: it's the number of clean sectors that counts so a track with more sectors and more laps give more SR

 

[benjoi84]

Well it's fair to say the changes to BoP have renewed my interest in Group 4 racing...

My inclination to go for Garage cars in these races means it's been Mustang time. I really had no idea on Tuesday, with my top QT not even breaking the 2.00 barrier but with some adaption to these cars (my problem is that I don't trust the brakes enough, don't trust the steering enough and don't trust the traction enough!). I started to understand softer application of the brakes and being able to throw the car in a lot more than I thought, then booting it out without fear through the apexes.

Many quali laps and a handful of races later, and my quali sits at 1.58.8xx. There's definitely a pattern with Group 3 & 4 races, because my quali often has me sitting between P8-P11 on the grid (mixed DR A & B with a couple of A+) regardless of combination. Personally, I wouldn't trade a bit of extra pace for consistency, it's served me well.

The fun thing about Trial Mountain this time around is that despite the 4-lap brevity, I'm comfortably up there with my fellow A's come the end. Usually fighting for 4th or 5th place. Very close racing in my experiences, with the occasional overreaction to some forthright driving. There's even been a few moments where I've scared people without even going near them because they expected the worst on certain corners.

I'm happy to be back in the 4's!!

 

[Tomdement1]

Same. Barely beat any A drivers

Seems like it’s tougher to keep a higher rating in gt7 vs sport

 

[Dan_Tes]

I’m not sure of your experience level, but your best bet is to do a few Races C and (safely) pulling over on the first lap and running way behind in clean air for the entire race. The number of clean laps matter, and a few races of ten clean laps each will bump your DR back up. It’ll hurt your DR, but maybe not as much as you’d think.

I winced when you said you tried Race B to get your SR back up. That’s not gonna work! Even in clean lobbies it’s nearly impossible to get a CRB. Avoid that race unless you pull over and run from the back as well. But you’d have to do twice as many races than Race C, which (I think) will kill your DR even more because you’ll have twice as many last place finishes.

Honestly, not that I think about it, maybe someone can chime in here: does the number of laps in a race affect the DR calculations?

Anyway, good luck! Be patient. Some weeks are just like this. You can go back and find some of my existential meltdowns over the same issues! You’ll get through it if you look at this as an opportunity to follow and learn from other drivers.

They don’t like naming and shaming here for obvious reasons, but the ancillary benefit is that it prevents you from obsessing on bad drivers. I used to keep a hit-list of people who had ruined my races, and I’d enter a lobby and see them and my race would already be ruined by my plans for revenge. Just don’t do it. It’s not worth it. My best advice here is to just let it go and focus on improving yourself out of those lobbies. The bad drivers tend not to improve.

Also, as people always mention here, watch the replays. You may find that some of the incidents were genuine accidents or maybe even self-inflicted. I’m not saying that’s what happened to you in this incident, but I can say that I’ve cooled off many times after watching a replay. You can learn a lot by doing this, seeing what you could have done differently, and what you were able to control and what you weren’t. It’s eye opening.

Anyway, be patient. I know it sucks. Innocent had a Buddhist tell me to suck a **** when I reminded him to just breathe, so I know that this sort of advice is t always well-received. But I promise that things will improve. Try the Manufacturers Series today for a nice change.

Thanks for the tips! That's sort of what I was doing in Race B, slow quali time to start near the back and repair my SR, but I caught up with the madness and didn't know what to do with myself and then got lost in the middle of it! Argh! I'm DR B mid but with the pace of A, I lack racecraft as I'm new to online racing/had a wheel for two months.

I drove 3 laps and hated every one of them...

Edit: it's the number of clean sectors that counts so a track with more sectors and more laps give more SR

That makes it even more baffling as to why I'm SR A after two almost completely clean Race C's just in second place, I might haave got a track limits penalty once but apart from that it was all clean lapping in the 1:49s!

 

[2Quickrides]

There desperately needs to be contact penalties, it's the lesser of two evils. I know one gets blamed by the system incorrectly at times but with such a lenient system it's total bedlam.

This. So much this. Getting completely punted so hard you fly across a gravel trap into a wall, you get a penalty for wall contact and the other car continues on and doesn't even lose a place? What?!?!
That said, if it's anything like the already broken penalty system it would just be twice as frustrating as I'm sure they'd screw it up. Someone will hit you off track and you'll get the penalty type crap.

Had a short window to go on last night so just spent 10 or so laps setting a QT at race B in the Cayman. All but 3 were either a penalty lap or affected by a previous penalty lap (Almost every one was cutting across turn 2 by the wrong side of an inch. Tires on the curbing in the replay.). Only managed a 2:00.2 in it. I'll try a different car later this week. Or try using a ghost, even my own would help I'm sure. In the game or on real tracks, I just don't get along well with (or enjoy) FWD cars so we'll see how things go.

I have zero interest in race C though. I just don't like the track. There, I said it.
I'm ok at it I think, but all I have to go on is golding the circuit experience taking me very little time, but there just seems to be too many sections with no room for error as it is where passing will just be a gong show. And the whole "half your car was off track" penalty system just irks me.