GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[hollowkatt]

For all we know, PD is still issuing SR penalties like these ones from my GT Sport races.
At least, in GTS, they would tell us when we got SR deductions by flashing the orange SR down icon at the top of the screen.





They are definitely still giving SR deductions without time penalties, but for some reason, they don't want to notify us.

none of those should have been penalties as they were all caused by another driver, which I think is the fundamental flaw in the penalty system as currently designed and implemented. I can cause you to get a penalty on purpose and impact your ratings directly at no cost to myself.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Contact penalties need to come back but much more diluted, instead of the use you as a brake 3s pen there should be cummulative pens like .01 for on straight rubs TO BOTH drivers, and then .25 for contact in the apex window, minor fraction late brake bumps or faster exit bumps .1 and so on.

Keep the no brakes ram 3.0s but remove barrier collisions if you were either the cause or plaintiff of said penalty because it doesn't make any sense to triple penalise anyone for trying to get off the barrier or turn round.l especially if you end up with damage which is a 5-30s penalty in itself.

The "no where to go, person de ghosts infront of you penalty needs to not happen because the ghosting mechanic just needs to do its job properly quite frankly.

 

[ds2000]

Contact penalties need to come back but much more diluted, instead of the use you as a brake 3s pen there should be cummulative pens like .01 for on straight rubs TO BOTH drivers, and then .25 for contact in the apex window, minor fraction late brake bumps or faster exit bumps .1 and so on.

Keep the no brakes ram 3.0s but remove barrier collisions if you were either the cause or plaintiff of said penalty because it doesn't make any sense to triple penalise anyone for trying to get off the barrier or turn round.l especially if you end up with damage which is a 5-30s penalty in itself.

The "no where to go, person de ghosts infront of you penalty needs to not happen because the ghosting mechanic just needs to do its job properly quite frankly.

The multiple barrier contact ones are my favourite when you get rammed 😂

 

[newb1017]

Don't worry too much about the win ratio. As long as you're having fun, that's all that matters. I'm at 2 from around 150 races (and another 2 from 100 or so on an abandoned backup account). Just makes the rare wins more special when they do come around - and the panic more intense when you find yourself in a winning situtaion.

For sure. I could have more by being more assertive/aggressive, but a rep as a clean driver means lots to me, as I am sure it does to most of us who post here. I sometimes wonder if I am a little too passive, but then think....... I am doing what I want to do, in the way I feel comfortable doing it, and I am having fun, so an occasional win is just gravy... Am also quite enjoying posts by people on this thread. Nice community...

 

[newmedia_dev]

For C I just can't keep the .3 I lose throughout the lap so resigned to a 2:04:8 I just can't go any faster this week consistently.

 

[Mercia]

Lago is great this week if you need to rebuild your SR. Basically no track limits and the race generally spaces out on the first lap, 10 laps to run nice and smooth and rack up those points again.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Lago is great this week if you need to rebuild your SR. Basically no track limits and the race generally spaces out on the first lap, 10 laps to run nice and smooth and rack up those points again.

It's just a boring race, I don't understand mixing tire requirements and fuel saving like this. At Willow it felt a bit more natural for some reason to include both strat options but as with all of these races the optimum gets found and then it's a half shift sprint race essentially undermining the whole point of the strategy element just slowing down the racing....

Edit:

Race B is definitely a choice made for VR as the track is hugely bumpy and dials up the steering feedback quite a bit being a bumpy and undulating circuit. It's almost like they upped the FFB sensitivity for this race as it's chalk and cheese with the other 2 races and time trial...

Edit again:

I'm not using VR

 

[hollowkatt]

Lago is great this week if you need to rebuild your SR. Basically no track limits and the race generally spaces out on the first lap, 10 laps to run nice and smooth and rack up those points again.

counterpoint: fuel saving races suck

 

[Mercia]

Haha I was very specific in what it is great for

These things are only fuel savers int he higher ranks anyways, not when you're down int he muck with the rest of us. Everyone pits.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I have to ask, how many races do you do in a week?

And does the fact that you artificially lower your DR to be more competitive has anything to do with this? I mean, if the goal is to win I understand that, but I'd the goal is fun that can just as well be had at the back of a higher lobby

OK, let's put that to rest right now. I've only ever intentionally lowered my DR once, and it was last week for a race I just could not be competitive in otherwise. Besides that, I've never done it before. It was just because for 2 weeks in a row, I couldn't have fun in the daily races because I couldn't drive the tracks.

Other than that, I've always tried for the top DR I could possibly get. Many would say I was over-obsessed with that goal, and I have to admit they might be right. I mean, that's why I wrote a program to track my progress! Here's my progress starting with the last 2 races of last year (which is when I started keeping my log):

Details on how this information was obtained can be found here, but it's boring.

That big drop in week 52 was when I was B/D and let my SR drop to E, which dropped me to C/E. I did NOT enjoy that, and it took weeks before I understood why it happened.

Looking at my stats, I've averaged about 40 races per week. Here's my wins:

That's 19 wins since I started keeping track. Other than week 2, I've averaged 2 wins per week, and almost all of then were when I was seeded P1 or P2.

So the bottom line is, I get wins if I have a good QT. If I don't, I don't.

Oh, that last sentence. Very recognizable. I'm always talking to myself when i'm in the lead, saying things like: come on Freddy, don't **** this up now, you got this!"

And then i **** it up and finish 2nd or 3rd haha.

Absolutely! Someone once told me your brain doesn't hear the word "don't". 😂

I sold my old VR headset due horrendous motion sickness - i maybe never gave it enough time, but it took me half an hour to feel normal again 😕

I just return my PSVR2 for the same reason. I'm overly susceptible to motion sickness, so I don't know why I thought I could use one. Highway 1 sure was pretty when I drove it in a convertible at about 30mph. 😂

 

[Talon16]

Oh god, was it the one where I locked up three times and lost the rear? Man, until i got the assists right i was a mess.

EDIT: Found it, go to 2 hrs 35 mins, I get sent to Narnia. Says his brakes failed but he didn't jump on them until well past the 100m board. He then does basically the same thing next race but swerves to miss everyone. He's not running any assists and desperately needs them IMHO.

Welp, you made it into a YT short! I can vouch for Papa, he's very clean. If he smashes you, it was an accident. I didn't see the stream but definitely an accident and - at least according to the short - he knows it was his fault.

 

[newmedia_dev]

OK, let's put that to rest right now. I've only ever intentionally lowered my DR once, and it was last week for a race I just could not be competitive in otherwise. Besides that, I've never done it before. It was just because for 2 weeks in a row, I couldn't have fun in the daily races because I couldn't drive the tracks.

Other than that, I've always tried for the top DR I could possibly get. Many would say I was over-obsessed with that goal, and I have to admit they might be right. I mean, that's why I wrote a program to track my progress! Here's my progress starting with the last 2 races of last year (which is when I started keeping my log):

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Details on how this information was obtained can be found here, but it's boring.

That big drop in week 52 was when I was B/D and let my SR drop to E, which dropped me to C/E. I did NOT enjoy that, and it took weeks before I understood why it happened.

Looking at my stats, I've averaged about 40 races per week. Here's my wins:

View attachment 1237770

That's 19 wins since I started keeping track. Other than week 2, I've averaged 2 wins per week, and almost all of then were when I was seeded P1 or P2.

So the bottom line is, I get wins if I have a good QT. If I don't, I don't.

Absolutely! Someone once told me your brain doesn't hear the word "don't". 😂

I just return my PSVR2 for the same reason. I'm overly susceptible to motion sickness, so I don't know why I thought I could use one. Highway 1 sure was pretty when I drove it in a convertible at about 30mph. 😂

No issue or anything, just pointing out that being competitive in a lower lobby is not competitive it is seal clubbing. Being fractionally off the pace of fast people in faster lobbies is the definition of competition.

Moving up is very much reap what you sow, winning lower lobbies by default almost always puts you at the back of the better ones.....that's how it works?

Edit:

Qualify better, results better....who would have thunk that

In all seriousness, the problem I have personally found is that I'm no learning tolerance or race craft and when I move up a level I focus on those 2 things because my pace isn't the top 100 guys and isn't likely to be.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Jumping on here, though I frequent it less often these days, to say Race A is a blast. Also cool to see GT Planet drivers in many lobbies I've raced in over the last few weeks. @BenRod, @Bullwinkle, @NevilleNobody, and others.



(oh, and @NevilleNobody ...I caught the 'Kramer' reference... funny, that's maybe what the PSN was born of. I had nicked the "Kosmo" part and made something different of it, for another online game 25 years ago... it just stuck. Funny, no one else has ever connected it with my PSN name, at least to me.)

Have been able to win 2 of the 5 Race A's I've entered so far, and threw away a crack at one with a drive over one of the curb markers at Ascari... which cold-heartedly threw me straight off. But the Honda F1 car is really different and fun to drive, and it's a race that (mostly) rewards drivers with merit-based results. Too bad the DR is not updated, I'd be grinding my way to A+ for a third and hopefully final/lucky time, on the main account if so. Hope to see more of you out there when I jump back on later today or this week.

And not the worst birthday gift car, but not the most useful, either. Anyway, it's a Porsche (sort of), and it's white with black wheels, so it's like Kaz just knows me. Maybe I'll add a black stripe down the hood and stick my name over the door, just to finish it off.

Moving up is very much reap what you sow, winning lower lobbies by default almost always puts you at the back of the better ones.....that's how it works?

It's funny, each time I've made an Alt, and don't try to manipulate the DR, I end up right at the same DR level, just at the A+/A level right now, for example. To me, that says the system really works well and is relatively good at matching like-skilled drivers.

(I only 'manage' mine, when I have, to make sure I get paired with friends IRL that struggle to get to same DR as me, so we can race together on occasion. And when I do that, it's not by punting races, it's just by racing without practice or in races I know I'll be the seal that gets clubbed. I may have pulled over intentionally 5 times in a couple thousand races on GTS/GT7 now.)

 

[icycls]

just curious for those that bought and returned psvr - did you buy from sony direct and what was the return process like? I'd really like to 'try before I buy'

 

[NevilleNobody]

Jumping on here, though I frequent it less often these days, to say Race A is a blast. Also cool to see GT Planet drivers in many lobbies I've raced in over the last few weeks. @BenRod, @Bullwinkle, @NevilleNobody, and others.



(oh, and @NevilleNobody ...I caught the 'Kramer' reference... funny, that's maybe what the PSN was born of. I had nicked the "Kosmo" part and made something different of it, for another online game 25 years ago... it just stuck. Funny, no one else has ever connected it with my PSN name, at least to me.)

Baaaaaah i was having a jolly good race, set fastest lap which you then bettered by a tenth or so, was chasing down 3rd place and put a tyre on the grass under braking and arouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuund I went. Recovered to 4th anyways but prime goal was to get back to an A SR so i avoid a reset and managed that.

If you can get through T1, it's a really fun race beacause with no DR most folks are playing nice and the car is so narrow, there's plenty of room. I do feel folks are braking way too late, this car rewards keeping revs up and exiting super early.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

just curious for those that bought and returned psvr - did you buy from sony direct and what was the return process like? I'd really like to 'try before I buy'

There's another thread all about the PSVR2, so you might want to check it out. I ordered direct from Sony. Got it quickly, and the return process was very simple. I had to box it back up and print a FedEx label, then take it to FedEx. That was it. So keep your packaging material. And if you wear glasses, remember that the eyepiece part of the googles can be pulled further away from your face - if you don't adjust it, your glasses could scratch the goggle's lenses, and I don't know if that would affect the return process or not.

 

[icycls]

There's another thread all about the PSVR2, so you might want to check it out. I ordered direct from Sony. Got it quickly, and the return process was very simple. I had to box it back up and print a FedEx label, then take it to FedEx. That was it. So keep your packaging material. And if you wear glasses, remember that the eyepiece part of the googles can be pulled further away from your face - if you don't adjust it, your glasses could scratch the goggle's lenses, and I don't know if that would affect the return process or not.

Thanks!

 

[KosmoKazi]

Moving up is very much reap what you sow, winning lower lobbies by default almost always puts you at the back of the better ones.....that's how it works?

Baaaaaah i was having a jolly good race, set fastest lap which you then bettered by a tenth or so, was chasing down 3rd place and put a tyre on the grass under braking and arouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuund I went. Recovered to 4th anyways but prime goal was to get back to an A SR so i avoid a reset and managed that.

If you can get through T1, it's a really fun race beacause with no DR most folks are playing nice and the car is so narrow, there's plenty of room. I do feel folks are braking way too late, this car rewards keeping revs up and exiting super early.

You don't get many opportunities to correct that car... it's sort of: commit, make it happen, or else. But it's really fun to drive and in some ways, more forgiving than I expected.

And for sure rewards slow-in/fast-out as much as any. Just not too slow, or you never get back on top of it. It isn't forgiving in that way.

It would be awesome if there was a Lotus of Ferrari to race against it, so there was a sort of equivalent option to race it against, instead of being a one-off of sorts.

BTW, I think I lost out to fastest lap in the end, as I was managing my lead over the last lap and slowed a bit, while someone else took the star from me.

Also forgot to mention: in my experience, it's almost better to start P2, because if you get a decent start, you get the inside of the first chicane and then a good chance at coming out of there with the lead. It's happened to me more than once, in my favor that way.

 

[Dep Fishtail]

Just a quick question: is it possible to do a fuel saver like Race C without the HUD?!

No rev bar so you can use actual rpm on the tach.
You do still have the fuel lean ability and as normal with that selection of tc etc.

Do note that you get no low fuel warning without HUD. Need to monitor the fuel management function for that.

So yes possible but different if that makes sense.

 

[Mercia]

No issue or anything, just pointing out that being competitive in a lower lobby is not competitive it is seal clubbing.

I don't really agree with this in a situation like that one. If you won races to progress sure, but in this game you don't. finishing consistently in the top half will move you forward so while you may compete in the top 5 say at a certain ranking, you're still going to be moved up and therefore to the back of a grid at a higher rating. Possibly without ever winning one of those races.

I don't consider being competitive to be 'seal clubbing', that's a very different thing.

 

[benjoi84]

I'm having some quite surprising fun at Race A so far!

As many have said here already, SR is easy to lose and hard to come by but I think that contributes to cleaner racing. There's literally nothing on the line except a couple of thousand credits, and any foul play is going to cost the perpetrator add much as the victim. I've noticed drivers putting in serious effort to avoid contact.

Turn 1 is obviously a site of many a fracas, and I've been the punter more than I've been the puntee so I've been relegated to SR A. A little holiday to Race B or C should fix that.

It's a great combo, and my feeling is that it's a more rewarding experience for controller users as compared to modern F1 cars (not that I don't enjoy those, but the difference in aerodynamics results in a more stable, less twitchy ride).

 

[newmedia_dev]

I don't really agree with this in a situation like that one. If you won races to progress sure, but in this game you don't. finishing consistently in the top half will move you forward so while you may compete in the top 5 say at a certain ranking, you're still going to be moved up and therefore to the back of a grid at a higher rating. Possibly without ever winning one of those races.

I don't consider being competitive to be 'seal clubbing', that's a very different thing.

But that is competition?

You are either at the front or somewhere else?

When you move to the upper leagues it's all a bit closer.

Having a qualifying time equal to the top peeps but using that as a way to farm wins shows a skills gap.

What is the point of progression if you don't progress and get reset at each "level" up?

It confuses me grown ups are some how offended by the fact you are top of the B team and bottom or middle of the A team?

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Does anyone else think that Daily Race B's Interlagos is especially slippery? I mean, I know the tires are cold and the cars weigh more because of a full tank, but I'm having a heck of a time getting used to the sliding. In the two races I've done today, I slid right out of T1, and I'm running full assists. I'm using the RX Vision, which isn't glued to the track at the best of times, but this seems especially bad.

I'm going to try some other cars, but I'd like to know if anyone else has noticed this, or if I've just forgotten what an actual race feels like, since I've been running so many Q laps.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

It confuses me grown ups are some how offended by the fact you are top of the B team and bottom or middle of the A team?

It's not necessarily about the level of competition alone. I'm DR A right now, but have been relegated back to DR B twice in the last months (not intentionally, but because of bad results). And my personal experience is that I had the most fun in general in the B/S lobbies. Good clean racing seemed to be the norm. When arriving in DR A again, many races felt like "get out of here, newb, you don't belong here", with lots of punting and shoving. Okay, maybe I just have to get used to it to get back into the fun zone...

 

[RacingGrandpa]

OK, let's put that to rest right now.

I wasn't passing judgement, it was just that we discussed win ratio and you where the only one I could remember public telling you lowered your DR.
Nothing snide or judgemental about it from me.

So the bottom line is, I get wins if I have a good QT. If I don't, I don't.

I am still interested in hearing what your win percent is. That's why I asked how many races you do a week

 

[NevilleNobody]

Does anyone else think that Daily Race B's Interlagos is especially slippery? I mean, I know the tires are cold and the cars weigh more because of a full tank, but I'm having a heck of a time getting used to the sliding. In the two races I've done today, I slid right out of T1, and I'm running full assists. I'm using the RX Vision, which isn't glued to the track at the best of times, but this seems especially bad.

I'm going to try some other cars, but I'd like to know if anyone else has noticed this, or if I've just forgotten what an actual race feels like, since I've been running so many Q laps.

I realise we always want more grip but man, the hard is joyless.

 

[Bullwinkle]

There's another thread all about the PSVR2, so you might want to check it out. I ordered direct from Sony. Got it quickly, and the return process was very simple. I had to box it back up and print a FedEx label, then take it to FedEx. That was it. So keep your packaging material. And if you wear glasses, remember that the eyepiece part of the googles can be pulled further away from your face - if you don't adjust it, your glasses could scratch the goggle's lenses, and I don't know if that would affect the return process or not.

You should have simply addressed it to me. I’d have payed you for it!

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Aaaand here's my little contribution to the ever growing "pictures of the lovely RA272" archive:

If someone is interested in a replay/ghost of this lap (1:55:3 if I remember correctly), I've shared it under "GTP10", additionally tagged "monza".

 

[NevilleNobody]

MUST BE WHITE WITH RED ACCENTS

 

[Wombat54]

Does anyone else think that Daily Race B's Interlagos is especially slippery? I mean, I know the tires are cold and the cars weigh more because of a full tank, but I'm having a heck of a time getting used to the sliding. In the two races I've done today, I slid right out of T1, and I'm running full assists. I'm using the RX Vision, which isn't glued to the track at the best of times, but this seems especially bad.

I'm going to try some other cars, but I'd like to know if anyone else has noticed this, or if I've just forgotten what an actual race feels like, since I've been running so many Q laps.

yep,it does feel a bit more slippy than usual and the racing hards don`t help-But,unlike most here i love racing hards-bring on the power slides!!