GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[DC5Remy]

Help me understand something. I qualify the B race at 1:21 consistently. The race starts and now my car has completely different braking points and now slides out easier, almost as if the tires are different? What am I missing?

 

[TheNormsk]

Help me understand something. I qualify the B race at 1:21 consistently. The race starts and now my car has completely different braking points and now slides out easier, almost as if the tires are different? What am I missing?

Tires will be cold to start and the car has gas in it so weight physics will be different at the start.

 

[DC5Remy]

Tires will be cold to start and the car has gas in it so weight physics will be different at the start.

Get the out. I need to turn on all race info don’t I.

I had no clue.

 

[TheNormsk]

Well, I did three Race C this evening and I’m not going to do any more. I came last (15th and 13th with the rest DNF) in the first two and second to last (13th) in the third.

This race is very hazardous to my DR. I can’t afford to do any more races even though I would like to to get more practice. If I do anymore, I’m going to end up in DR C.

Now I know why you guys have second accounts. Time I set one up I think!

 

[zjn]

Well, I found out that my brake pedal calibration was off and it was going from a dead spot of 10% to full braking at 20%. Don’t know how that happened.

maybe?

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I’m about to meet you, coming the other way. After a disastrous Nations Cup today I’m nearly back down to B. But I think that may be good for me for a while, just to hit a mental reset button. The stress has been killing me with the “stay A at all costs!” crowd.ile you, may be happier in the high Bs again.

After having been in both places, I'd say there are pluses and minuses between very high B vs. very low A.

• No doubt about it, it's an ego boost being an A vs. B. Or if you look at it from the other direction, it's a hit to the ego to be demoted to B.
• Starting out at or near the top in a B lobby is definitely better than P12 in an A lobby.
• With that said, always starting Pole position in a B lobby and never really having any competition (unless I screw up) can get boring, or at least it can be hard to keep my focus.

It's almost a coin toss, but I think I prefer the high B. But I'll never intentionally demote myself again, because it just feels like I cheated somehow.

Well, I gave race B a shot, but I'm not enjoying the track at all. Some of the transitions from section to section I can't fully figure out.

Have you studied a leader's Q lap replay? I like to record one, then study it, then refer back to individual sections as I'm learning a track. It's easy to pause a Q lap, hit the Share button, and check the video. Also, turning on the driving line/markers along with the braking areas may help while learning the track. I'm a relatively newbie to the game, so please forgive me if I'm saying things that are obvious to you.

Not good as you go round the long left after the esses and the screen slowly fades to black.

You're just going too fast! Everyone has a limit to how much G force you can take.

Well, I found out that my brake pedal calibration was off and it was going from a dead spot of 10% to full braking at 20%. Don’t know how that happened. So every time I touch the pedal it was like I was applying an emergency brake

Wait, that's not how we're supposed to drive?

The race starts and now my car has completely different braking points and now slides out easier, almost as if the tires are different? What am I missing?

Along with what @TheNormsk said: Last week (I think), the RX Vision was fine during Q laps, but in the race it was like driving on ice, at least to me. But other cars were fine. So you might want to try other cars just in case.

 

[D Quick]

I just raced and it was there. Just. Or QT.

Well I came last. P15. Crashed out, spun out and pitted twice. Also got lapped.

When I was in the flow it felt pretty good. Need to figure out strategy. I was going for 2M, 8S but I burned through the soft in 5 laps. Perhaps they could have lasted but as I crashed into the pit lap I figured I’d change again. 🤣

Fun in a mad way but hazardous to DR.

I start on mediums pit on lap lap 6 for softs.

 

[Bullwinkle]

After having been in both places, I'd say there are pluses and minuses between very high B vs. very low A.

• No doubt about it, it's an ego boost being an A vs. B. Or if you look at it from the other direction, it's a hit to the ego to be demoted to B.
• Starting out at or near the top in a B lobby is definitely better than P12 in an A lobby.
• With that said, always starting Pole position in a B lobby and never really having any competition (unless I screw up) can get boring, or at least it can be hard to keep my focus.

It's almost a coin toss, but I think I prefer the high B. But I'll never intentionally demote myself again, because it just feels like I cheated somehow.

I was ok with starting at the back of A lobbies because I was always learning something, but in the last couple of months, with no penalties for anything other than bull**** wall contact, all I’m learning is how to get abused like an AI driver! The back of the A lobbies have gotten a LOT dirtier, and with no repercussions it’s just going to get worse. It’s driving me crazy. And now it’s like PD is phoning in the daily races, like they’re just begging me to quit the game.

It even bled into the World Cup races yesterday. So many times crept aggressive doves and rubs in a TWENTY LAP race! Jeez, guys: have a little patience. I can’t wait to see how bad the CoD is at Dragon Trail on Saturday.

Anyway, I think I’ll just take my abuse this week and drop back to B and just accept it. I sure wish there was a penalty revision coming in the next update.

 

[DC5Remy]

I was ok with starting at the back of A lobbies because I was always learning something, but in the last couple of months, with no penalties for anything other than bull**** wall contact, all I’m learning is how to get abused like an AI driver! The back of the A lobbies have gotten a LOT dirtier, and with no repercussions it’s just going to get worse. It’s driving me crazy. And now it’s like PD is phoning in the daily races, like they’re just begging me to quit the game.

It even bled into the World Cup races yesterday. So many times crept aggressive doves and rubs in a TWENTY LAP race! Jeez, guys: have a little patience. I can’t wait to see how bad the CoD is at Dragon Trail on Saturday.

Anyway, I think I’ll just take my abuse this week and drop back to B and just accept it. I sure wish there was a penalty revision coming in the next update.

If you look at my post I complain quite a bit about being rear ended, hit, and shoved off track. It gets very old as recovery’s are not easy most the time.

 

[hollowkatt]

I was ok with starting at the back of A lobbies because I was always learning something, but in the last couple of months, with no penalties for anything other than bull**** wall contact, all I’m learning is how to get abused like an AI driver! The back of the A lobbies have gotten a LOT dirtier, and with no repercussions it’s just going to get worse. It’s driving me crazy. And now it’s like PD is phoning in the daily races, like they’re just begging me to quit the game.

It even bled into the World Cup races yesterday. So many times crept aggressive doves and rubs in a TWENTY LAP race! Jeez, guys: have a little patience. I can’t wait to see how bad the CoD is at Dragon Trail on Saturday.

Anyway, I think I’ll just take my abuse this week and drop back to B and just accept it. I sure wish there was a penalty revision coming in the next update.

that's kinda the realization I had yesterday joining some B lobbies. After being wrecked out of each one (granted I'm rusty but I'm not a mobile chicane lol) I sat in my chair wondering if I still even like this game. Came to the realization that no, not really. Not as it currently stands.

I'm probably going to take an extended break from dailies until something that really looks appealing comes along. Keep my skills non-rusty with some customs or le mans/spa grinding.

 

[Gates]

I'm probably going to take an extended break from dailies until something that really looks appealing comes along. Keep my skills non-rusty with some customs or le mans/spa grinding.

this is kind of the attitude I've taken. I am staying away from the dailies unless I find a race that I like AND can be competitive in. I try lobbies, but that can be even more frustrating than the dailies!

 

[TheNormsk]

Very nice. I can position myself in 7th but end up crashed off the course by the end.

Well, I gave race B a shot, but I'm not enjoying the track at all. Some of the transitions from section to section I can't fully figure out. It's enough to make a lap, but not enough to give me confidence in racing others. I don't know where a 1:19.7XX would even get me on the grid in B lobbies. I did set my fast time in the Mustang with the Vantage a tenth of a second behind that. Oh well, not the end of the world if I don't race this week. I'll wait and see what version of Maggiore we get next week lol.

Studying replays from the Showcase helps. I put this one together (okay, I bit more work than perhaps I needed to do) to ween myself off driver aids and to try to learn how to drive the Lancer. I'm now very comfortable on this course but still can't drive the Lancer (though I have not tried since I fixed my brake pedal..)

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I sat in my chair wondering if I still even like this game. Came to the realization that no, not really. Not as it currently stands.

That's the perfect point. "Do I still like this game?" Or "Am I still having fun?" If a game stops being fun, it's either time to change our expectations, or take a step back.

For me, I'm still having fun. I'm really tempting fate here when I say this, but I'm just not experiencing the level of meanness some of you have expressed. Don't get me wrong - people have crashed into me, but it's either been mistakes, or my bad driving.

EDIT to add this reply:

Studying replays from the Showcase helps. I put this one together (okay, I bit more work than perhaps I needed to do) to ween myself off driver aids and to try to learn how to drive the Lancer. I'm now very comfortable on this course but still can't drive the Lancer (though I have not tried since I fixed my brake pedal..)

Nice job! Don't forget speed. Keep an eye on the proper MPH you want to be in various spots.

 

[hollowkatt]

That's the perfect point. "Do I still like this game?" Or "Am I still having fun?" If a game stops being fun, it's either time to change our expectations, or take a step back.

For me, I'm still having fun. I'm really tempting fate here when I say this, but I'm just not experiencing the level of meanness some of you have expressed. Don't get me wrong - people have crashed into me, but it's either been mistakes, or my bad driving.

EDIT to add this reply:

Don't forget speed. Keep an eye on the proper MPH you want to be in various spots.

oh yeah it hasn't been meanness (well ok a couple have) just really shoddy driving on circuits that aren't really fun. If the circuit was fun but the racing was bad I'd still do it for the moments of joy you get at good circuits.
If the circuit is bad but the racing is fun again, stick it out!

But when they're both just a grind that's when I take a step back and find something else to do in the game. I haven't explored much of the custom race options yet and some good ol nordschleif grinding sounds like a good time lol

 

[Hodd10]

Safe overtaking spots are really hard to come by in race B. Everything seems to be a dive or capitalising on a big mistake. I'm seeing out of T1 but need to get that done before the esses as the main area.

 

[TheNormsk]

I created a second (UK location) account last night called Normsk_GB so I can run that to drive Race C without killing my main account. Also thought it might be fun to try non-Americas lobbies. Those that drive transatlantic how does the connection hold up?

Now I just have to get through Menu Book 9 to unlock Sport... Starting GT7 over again, I now realize how slow that initial progression is... Currently up to book 4. I friended myself to see how Brit Normsk compares against Yank Normsk. So far, Normsk_GB is a faster and better driver. Guess that is what 14 weeks of practice gives you!

 

[Fezzik]

I created a second (UK location) account last night called Normsk_GB so I can run that to drive Race C without killing my main account. Also thought it might be fun to try non-Americas lobbies. Those that drive transatlantic how does the connection hold up?

Now I just have to get through Menu Book 9 to unlock Sport... Starting GT7 over again, I now realize how slow that initial progression is... Currently up to book 4. I friended myself to see how Brit Normsk compares against Yank Normsk. So far, Normsk_GB is a faster and better driver. Guess that is what 14 weeks of practice gives you!

Soon Brit Normsk will overtake the DR of Yank Normsk and you'll have to protect that account instead.

 

[hollowkatt]

I created a second (UK location) account last night called Normsk_GB so I can run that to drive Race C without killing my main account. Also thought it might be fun to try non-Americas lobbies. Those that drive transatlantic how does the connection hold up?

Now I just have to get through Menu Book 9 to unlock Sport... Starting GT7 over again, I now realize how slow that initial progression is... Currently up to book 4. I friended myself to see how Brit Normsk compares against Yank Normsk. So far, Normsk_GB is a faster and better driver. Guess that is what 14 weeks of practice gives you!

GG Normsk_GB!

 

[Hodd10]

I created a second (UK location) account last night called Normsk_GB so I can run that to drive Race C without killing my main account. Also thought it might be fun to try non-Americas lobbies. Those that drive transatlantic how does the connection hold up?

Now I just have to get through Menu Book 9 to unlock Sport... Starting GT7 over again, I now realize how slow that initial progression is... Currently up to book 4. I friended myself to see how Brit Normsk compares against Yank Normsk. So far, Normsk_GB is a faster and better driver. Guess that is what 14 weeks of practice gives you!

I run a US account from the other side of the pond. I don't experience any issues. Usually full green bars.

When I set it up the slog was hard to get up to book 9. I like racing in custom liveries so having to earn the cash to actually by a car again was tough. On the plus side the circuit experience knowledge helped bring in the funds.

 

[TheNormsk]

Soon Brit Normsk will overtake the DR of Yank Normsk and you'll have to protect that account instead.

It would not be hard if I continue Race C!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I created a second (UK location) account last night called Normsk_GB so I can run that to drive Race C without killing my main account. Also thought it might be fun to try non-Americas lobbies. Those that drive transatlantic how does the connection hold up?

Now I just have to get through Menu Book 9 to unlock Sport... Starting GT7 over again, I now realize how slow that initial progression is... Currently up to book 4. I friended myself to see how Brit Normsk compares against Yank Normsk. So far, Normsk_GB is a faster and better driver. Guess that is what 14 weeks of practice gives you!

My transatlantic connection is good. Not as good as the French Connection, but good.

 

[KosmoKazi]

I just raced and it was there. Just not QT.

Well I came last. P15. Crashed out, spun out and pitted twice. Also got lapped.

When I was in the flow it felt pretty good. Need to figure out strategy. I was going for 2M, 8S but I burned through the soft in 5 laps. Perhaps they could have lasted but as I crashed into the pit lap I figured I’d change again. 🤣

Fun in a mad way but hazardous to DR.

Standard strategy seems to be 5/5 on tires, sometimes 4S/6M. I've been successful starting on both S and M, as it turns out, mostly validated by mistake when I forgot to start on M's as I had been, but won the race. Albeit thanks to keeping it on the asphalt when others didn't. I think starting on M's is best because the S's aren't hot and therefore don't have much advantage at the start, you are in traffic, the dirty air and fighting for position will chew them up more, and therefore they are more valuable in the second stint when you will likely have clean air.

And yeah, nice to see you, @r_epp ...I'm sorry, it was weird on that lap one, I washed out and had to lift, when that's not happened to me once before on lap 1... I think that I might have picked up dirt/marbles when I got run wide in the esses after the lights went out, it was a mess of a start for a lot of people. At least I made good on it with the win in that race! I accidentally started on Softs, but it all worked out.

This has been one of the most fun races for me, and I've got my DR touching the A+ line again as a result of almost all top 5's in the top split all week. Just can't touch the top 2-3 guys in many of the races, but otherwise really good racing for me.

That said, it was this car that got me reset in a Championship race at Bathurst once, from A rating, and also cost me more DR than any other when I was in B DR range. It can be a tough one to race in mixed talent lobbies...

Good luck. I honestly don’t know how they’re braking so late into T1! I mean, it can be done if you’re prepared to come to a near standstill before turning, but that’s horrible race strategy. I honestly think they’re counting on no penalties and just driving too aggressively.

If you're talking about Suzuka... it's a full send into T1 every time, trust it. Even in Gr3 cars...

In the SF cars, I like to 'diamond' it in T1/T2, to get a fast exit into the esses. Don't even break until the curb outside of T2. I'm regularly purple in that sector throughout the race, just lose a bunch in the hairpin and sometimes Spoon 2. But I have Sector 1 and the esses worked out at Suzuka. Once I learned to trust the car into T1, it all opened up for me. Even the Cayman can be thrown in hard, with trail braking into the a smooth line on the outside until you set up the entry and apex at the green on inside curb. The Cayman actually used to be a real weapon that way, because you could close on track position really well with that move, and then hound someone through Degner and hope for a run on the back straight coming out of Spoon, if you kept on their bumper from there.

 

[TheNormsk]

Standard strategy seems to be 5/5 on tires, sometimes 4S/6M. I've been successful starting on both S and M, as it turns out, mostly validated by mistake when I forgot to start on M's as I had been, but won the race. Albeit thanks to keeping it on the asphalt when others didn't. I think starting on M's is best because the S's aren't hot and therefore don't have much advantage at the start, you are in traffic, the dirty air and fighting for position will chew them up more, and therefore they are more valuable in the second stint when you will likely have clean air.

This has been one of the most fun races for me, and I've got my DR touching the A+ line again as a result of almost all top 5's in the top split all week. Just can't touch the top 2-3 guys in many of the races, but otherwise really good racing for me.

That said, it was this car that got me reset in a Championship race at Bathurst once, from A rating, and also cost me more DR than any other when I was in B DR range. It can be a tough one to race in mixed talent lobbies...

My second race I was aiming to 4M/6S and dove in early to avoid traffic but forgot to put M on to start so it ended up S/S and I got a 1 minute penalty. My second race was 5M/5S and was doing better and I was up to P9, starting from Q14 when I punted the car in front into outer space at turn 8 as I did not expect them to brake there (I just momentarily lift to like 1/2 throttle and sometimes not even that depending on how confident/reckless I feel). Mixed abilities is definitely a challenge with the wide range of DR B as race C.

As to strategy, but gut feel was similar to your thoughts. I don't get the advantage of the softs in the opening laps as it's slower in the traffic and more rough driving. Rather wait for later when the car can stretch its cylinders, so to speak. Though I sometimes think the extra grip of the softs might help with reaction time to the chaos, to perhaps avoid incidents...

 

[KosmoKazi]

As to strategy, but gut feel was similar to your thoughts. I don't get the advantage of the softs in the opening laps as it's slower in the traffic and more rough driving. Rather wait for later when the car can stretch its cylinders, so to speak. Though I sometimes think the extra grip of the softs might help with reaction time to the chaos, to perhaps avoid incidents...

The one time that I will strongly think about softs at the start of Dailies is if there are messy/dirty 'qualifying superstars' who are gridded near me, and I want to gap them in the first stint to avoid problems later. It's a bit of a throw-in as to the chances of a win, but if I'm shooting for a top 5 and want to make sure I finish first to finish (near) 1st, I'll sacrifice the optimal strategy to survive. Depends on the track, though. Suzuka in these cars in this high downforce trim... you can gap most people on either tire if you are faster.

 

[r_epp]

Standard strategy seems to be 5/5 on tires, sometimes 4S/6M. I've been successful starting on both S and M, as it turns out, mostly validated by mistake when I forgot to start on M's as I had been, but won the race. Albeit thanks to keeping it on the asphalt when others didn't. I think starting on M's is best because the S's aren't hot and therefore don't have much advantage at the start, you are in traffic, the dirty air and fighting for position will chew them up more, and therefore they are more valuable in the second stint when you will likely have clean air.

And yeah, nice to see you, @r_epp ...I'm sorry, it was weird on that lap one, I washed out and had to lift, when that's not happened to me once before on lap 1... I think that I might have picked up dirt/marbles when I got run wide in the esses after the lights went out, it was a mess of a start for a lot of people. At least I made good on it with the win in that race! I accidentally started on Softs, but it all worked out.

This has been one of the most fun races for me, and I've got my DR touching the A+ line again as a result of almost all top 5's in the top split all week. Just can't touch the top 2-3 guys in many of the races, but otherwise really good racing for me.

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That said, it was this car that got me reset in a Championship race at Bathurst once, from A rating, and also cost me more DR than any other when I was in B DR range. It can be a tough one to race in mixed talent lobbies...

If you're talking about Suzuka... it's a full send into T1 every time, trust it. Even in Gr3 cars...

In the SF cars, I like to 'diamond' it in T1/T2, to get a fast exit into the esses. Don't even break until the curb outside of T2. I'm regularly purple in that sector throughout the race, just lose a bunch in the hairpin and sometimes Spoon 2. But I have Sector 1 and the esses worked out at Suzuka. Once I learned to trust the car into T1, it all opened up for me. Even the Cayman can be thrown in hard, with trail braking into the a smooth line on the outside until you set up the entry and apex at the green on inside curb. The Cayman actually used to be a real weapon that way, because you could close on track position really well with that move, and then hound someone through Degner and hope for a run on the back straight coming out of Spoon, if you kept on their bumper from there.

All good, it's a gong show starting mid pack in that race. I tend to do better if I start further back and wait for people to off themselves/each other, or if I'm in the front row obviously.

 

[SpawnBlack]

Help me understand something. I qualify the B race at 1:21 consistently. The race starts and now my car has completely different braking points and now slides out easier, almost as if the tires are different? What am I missing?

When online with others on the servers, there is a lower grip level. This has been the case since Gran Turismo went online with GT5 in open lobbies. This has been the same for every GT since. I know of no other sim that suffers from this.
Hope that helps.

 

[AmateurDriver]

Guys, I need your honest opinion about this. Is this move, on the last turn on the last lap, a dirty move, or just hard but fair? At first, I thought I could make this move and when I finished the move and finished on P6, considering starting from P12, I was quite happy. I noticed that the guy I overtook has spun and crashed into the wall because of the move so I had to check the replay. From my point of view it looks quite fair. There was a gap and I went for it. But then I checked the replay of the move from the Porsche driver’s point of view and now I have my doubts if the move was hard but fair, or just dirty. So, what do you guys think?

 

[Duppy Gee]

For sure, it's a fun race and the SF cars in this high downforce trim invite confidence. But yeah, people could stand to learn some racecraft. It's not a 10-lap qualifying session where you are entitled to run over someone in front of you, which seems the accepted norm in a lot of races, even in the top split.

But it's a really fun race, and if you're smart you can usually work your way up. It will likely be a s-show later in the week, though, as people get more emboldened, which is what usually happens. I'd almost prefer the downforce settings to be much lower, the slipstream set to 'real', and wonder if that would help clean up the racing. Hard to know. It was a disaster in prior Sport races in the past, with other settings, too. I was reset at Bathurst thanks to rammers, and I lost the most DR I ever lost at Spa when I was struggling to keep my A DR, some time ago.

Addicting racing, though.

View attachment 1239597(peep the CRB... not too easy in this race)


I love the RSR above all Gr3. It rewards 'backing up' the turns... braking a little earlier, and powering on the car through the apex. The earlier you can get on the car, the quicker the times will be. The funny thing is that it won't feel like it, when you are driving that car right, it gets simpler, but the time delta will continue to climb in the blue numbers. It's got a really flat torque curve, too, so always add throttle, even if it's half... keep the car balanced on all four tires and they will all do their job. It's the kind of car that when you know you are 'in the groove' or have slotted the apex just right, rewards you by allowing more throttle without changing the dynamics of the car mid-turn. So when you realize you are on the right line, always add a little throttle... it will both keep the car balanced through the rest of the turn and also increase the exit speed.

The balance does change a bit, though, with tires, and with varying speeds. It's a unique car, and it's interesting how PD are able to infuse the brand's character into the cars like they do.

Then, come race situations, set up your passes with that faster exit speed, because the car's best advantage is the brakes, which are better than the other Gr3 cars. Passes in the RSR are set up on exit, slipstream, then out-braking the other car, then sticking the apex until the next straight, where you should be able to cover the entry with those good brakes again.

I have never raced the 911 online but I think I'll give it a go after how you have described it. Good read.

 

[TheNormsk]

When online with others on the servers, there is a lower grip level. This has been the case since Gran Turismo went online with GT5 in open lobbies. This has been the same for every GT since. I know of no other sim that suffers from this.
Hope that helps.

Dirty air physics playing a stronger role perhaps or still an issue when not in traffic?

Guys, I need your honest opinion about this. Is this move, on the last turn on the last lap, a dirty move, or just hard but fair? At first, I thought I could make this move and when I finished the move and finished on P6, considering starting from P12, I was quite happy. I noticed that the guy I overtook has spun and crashed into the wall because of the move so I had to check the replay. From my point of view it looks quite fair. There was a gap and I went for it. But then I checked the replay of the move from the Porsche driver’s point of view and now I have my doubts if the move was hard but fair, or just dirty. So, what do you guys think?

You appear to bump the Porsche going into turn 9. They manage to keep the inside for turn 10 but for turn 9 you have two very different turn in strategies going on. The Porsche is going for the wide in, faster out which for that car works well except that left the inside open for you. I'm not sure the Lambo's turn in abiliy (I know it is pretty strong) so would you have made that turn if you had not used the 911 as a brake?

I'm no expert but considering you already bumped the 911, You may have had some red mist, and perhaps should not have made that move. You should also anticipate that the way the 911 swung out and turned in was going to intersect with your move and with you behind, I would have deferred (perhaps I'm not aggressive enough). The fault is not entirely yours though. The 911 driver, under pressure should have known you were there and having left the door open by swinging wide, should have anticipated (or seen on their radar) you come in and kept wide to avoid contact.

I call a racing incident. Not dirty, but not fair either.

Anyway, I'm just a hack but this is my lay person's view, yelling opinion from the peanut galley.

 

[DC5Remy]

When online with others on the servers, there is a lower grip level. This has been the case since Gran Turismo went online with GT5 in open lobbies. This has been the same for every GT since. I know of no other sim that suffers from this.
Hope that helps.

It does yes. Everything changes for sure once the races begin.