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This was one of my races from Monday.


Not sure this was out and out dirty driving, perhaps an off day combined with bad luck as his driving in other places was pretty respectful.

Any tips on how to defend turn 1? I’m adjusting now so that if there is less then a second between me and the car behind, to have a more central position on track entering, rather than being on the right. It’s slower overall but seems safer in the long run; however that then allows the position behind to gain more. What to do 🤷🏼‍♂️

You should be doing nature documentaries with that voice.

Buddy boy is a) incompetent and b) dirty. He catches himself out because his eyes light up anything resembling a gap even though the doors will close because he is too far back. In saying that, he also does the barge-pass thing the insanely useless penalty system encourages.

I'd beat him like a baby seal.
 
I tried a couple more Races B, hoping maybe I just had a bad lobby. Nope. I was running with half A+ drivers who were just punting me every chance they had. Apparently they don’t actually have to slow down for chicanes and are entitled to use me as their brakes? Regardless, I got hit every single turn on the first two laps and then lost my mind and punted a row of cars who had shoved me sideways at the last chicane. I realize I need to just turn it off but I’m seeing so much red that I had to walk away for a minute to convince myself to let it go.

I’m back to just hating the state of this game. It could be a lot of fun, but there’s just no enforcement of bad driving nor incentives for good behavior. I’m took at least three cars out and all I got was 1.5 seconds for incidentally hitting the wall. That just ain’t right. And I don’t see this week improving one bit. These five lap sprints are the worst of the worst.

Ok, I’m off to both lick my wounds and hide in shame for losing my mind.
Due to my low A rating, I race in a lot of A+ heavy lobbies and I've don't think I've ever had blatant dirty driving from them. They are just alien fast, so you are likely catching them way off guard with an early brake point, especially if it's early in the race and they haven't had a chance to notice you are braking early.

This is almost all Race C experience for me, and I do think the Race B format brings out the worst in drivers, so I could be wrong.
 
This was one of my races from Monday.


Not sure this was out and out dirty driving, perhaps an off day combined with bad luck as his driving in other places was pretty respectful.

Any tips on how to defend turn 1? I’m adjusting now so that if there is less then a second between me and the car behind, to have a more central position on track entering, rather than being on the right. It’s slower overall but seems safer in the long run; however that then allows the position behind to gain more. What to do 🤷🏼‍♂️

I don't usually defend it, I can park my car on the apex and STILL have people think there is room for their car. On the first lap (or if I don't trust the guy behind me), I take the turn super wide to get a better run down the straight. With the run and draft, it usually allows me to get my nose into the line they want to use for turning, forcing them to back out (or crash both of us).
 
Don't talk badly about Orang-Utans. They are calm and respectful drivers:


:D

I tried more than half a dozen cars. Strangely enough, the only ones I could at least get a half-decent laptime with were those who felt the most unstable: the Lambo and the Audi.

I'll take back my comment about orangutans. He is clearly a better driver than those I encountered yesterday.

For the cars, the only one I've come across that can get close to my 911 time is the Lambo. I've almost got to grips with that car now, but I feel it is still too unpredictable for an actual race. Still it would be nice to drive something else in a field full of 911s.
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quitted after 8 mins of race intro splash screen
Perhaps that explains the races where a car just sits on the start line and never takes off (grid start) or appears to just continue on auto-drive?
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I must be the turtle. Sounds about right, as I'm still not that fast.
I noticed that the orangutan didn’t use the brakes on the golf cart either! If you want to see my impression of apes in cars in this race, it’s more like this:

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I'd beat him like a baby seal.
And I thought Canadians were nice?
 
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I killed a streamer...😬

A very quick south african driver who runs a twitch account and frequently appears on other guys YT streams appeared in my race A at #lunchbreakracing.

At the end of lap 1, after exiting the final turn, I'm focusing on staying in the slipstream of P3, very much on the left side of the straight. Approaching the pit entry, I suddenly feel that I get pushed left and try as hard as I can to stay on course. To no avail. I crash into the pit wall, everybody passes me and I crawl two more laps to the finish line in last place.

But no, there's someone even 15 seconds behind me. It's the A+ rated Twitch guy.

I watched the replay and saw what had happened: He had a run on me out of the final turn and went alongside me on the inside. Heading straight towards the pit entry. He then frantically tried to pull right onto the straight, pushing the rear end of my car and making me turn left unwillingly. I didn't realize where the push came from (didn't expect someone to try passing me on the pit lane, and my old brain wasn't able to process it quickly enough), and so I didn't give space. He crashed head on into the pit wall.😆 Sorry...😇
 
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Haven't done any races this week. Honestly, they don't appeal to me... but I probably will before week's end. I am learning some new hardware so I've been doing some TTing for Race B.

Was wanting to try some different cars and was surprised by the Hyundai which I was able to do an 18.5. The Evo was an 18.4. Didn't think those were too bad considering... then I jumped into the Porsche and did a 17.9. Yea, the Porsche is OP/broken. I can't believe they Nerf'd the GTR in the last patch but didn't touch the Porsche.
Porsche is specific to certain tracks. It's not OP everywhere like the GTR was.
 
I don't think the Porsche is OP for Race B at all. MR cars are preferential here (of which the Porsche is one) because their loose nature helps you carry speed through the high speed curves.

Porsche is an understeery MR so it's not even as good as the likes of the Audi or Lambo if you can handle them - if you're going from heavy, planted understeery cars straight to the type of car suited to the track you'll of course have a pace improvement.
 
I tried a couple more Races B, hoping maybe I just had a bad lobby. Nope. I was running with half A+ drivers who were just punting me every chance they had. Apparently they don’t actually have to slow down for chicanes and are entitled to use me as their brakes? Regardless, I got hit every single turn on the first two laps and then lost my mind and punted a row of cars who had shoved me sideways at the last chicane. I realize I need to just turn it off but I’m seeing so much red that I had to walk away for a minute to convince myself to let it go.

I’m back to just hating the state of this game. It could be a lot of fun, but there’s just no enforcement of bad driving nor incentives for good behavior. I’m took at least three cars out and all I got was 1.5 seconds for incidentally hitting the wall. That just ain’t right. And I don’t see this week improving one bit. These five lap sprints are the worst of the worst.

Ok, I’m off to both lick my wounds and hide in shame for losing my mind.
you would really think A+ drivers know better and can handle things better. A lot, do actually - I've had many A+ behind me that I know are just being patient with me. I don't usually defend too hard and let them pass early in the race when they are clearly faster. Last lap, maybe defend harder. But I know exactly what you're describing, I've also seen many who behave like they are entitled. When that happens , I log off, go out for some fresh air.
 
I don't think the Porsche is OP for Race B at all. MR cars are preferential here (of which the Porsche is one) because their loose nature helps you carry speed through the high speed curves.

Porsche is an understeery MR so it's not even as good as the likes of the Audi or Lambo if you can handle them - if you're going from heavy, planted understeery cars straight to the type of car suited to the track you'll of course have a pace improvement.
I made exactly the same experience, on a lower level of course. Getting the Lambo or the Audi quickly AND safely through the esses is a lottery for me.
 
Then unbelievably, the leader completely missed turn 9, like forgets the corner is there, and puts himself in the barrier.
Hah! This wasn't me, but last night in race b I was running P2 and no reason I couldn't finish P2. Started daydreaming and forgot where on the track I was. Failed to dab my brakes on that sweeper before the hairpin. Boom. Still managed a P5 (I think there were some impaired drivers in the lobby), but, geez man, focus!!

I had a decent race C - P10 to P4 by surviving lap 1 and (mostly) keeping it on the track. The few run-offs I had didn't cost me too much and I usually gained those lost positions right back. It was enough that I didn't get a CRB. My goal for the week is to collect at least one CRB in race C, right now that feels like that would be a worthy accomplishment.
 
I'm quite enjoying race C this week. I've got a decent handle on the car and the track and I haven't set a quali time, so always start at the match but generally have managed a top half finish in most of my races.

The problems with C this week tend to come from people not knowing how to drive the F1 cars properly. Just because they're fast with loads of downforce and grip, doesn't mean you can just send it into corners at any given opportunity. I always hang back at the start, immediately catch the pack into T1, make a few places and inevitably get rekt by someone trying to full throttle their way past when there simply isn't the space to or I would have done exactly that. Patience and consistency are definitely the way to go with this race, and I've managed to go from about 1/4 of the way into A class up to 2/3 to A+, I can only hope to be within touching distance of that by the end of the week.
 
The Porsche isn't the meta the way the Nissan was but it's EXTREMELY flexible and works on almost any track. It's also pretty safe powering out of corners so mid level drivers have confidence with it. Like a real Porsche.

The sleeper for me is the Lancer, it's there and thereabouts on anything but total power tracks.
I've been toying with the Lancer as well. Even bought one as I did not have one in my collection but so far I have not made it work for me yet. I've seen it high on the leader board so I know it got the potential, but it is still a 1/2s slower than the 911 for me and a little off the Lambo (but perhaps more safe).

Perhaps it's because my driving is conditioned to driving in a way that works with the understeering of the 911. So any tips on how to wrestle the best out of this car?
 
I'm quite enjoying race C this week. I've got a decent handle on the car and the track and I haven't set a quali time, so always start at the match but generally have managed a top half finish in most of my races.

The problems with C this week tend to come from people not knowing how to drive the F1 cars properly. Just because they're fast with loads of downforce and grip, doesn't mean you can just send it into corners at any given opportunity. I always hang back at the start, immediately catch the pack into T1, make a few places and inevitably get rekt by someone trying to full throttle their way past when there simply isn't the space to or I would have done exactly that. Patience and consistency are definitely the way to go with this race, and I've managed to go from about 1/4 of the way into A class up to 2/3 to A+, I can only hope to be within touching distance of that by the end of the week.
For sure, it's a fun race and the SF cars in this high downforce trim invite confidence. But yeah, people could stand to learn some racecraft. It's not a 10-lap qualifying session where you are entitled to run over someone in front of you, which seems the accepted norm in a lot of races, even in the top split.

But it's a really fun race, and if you're smart you can usually work your way up. It will likely be a s-show later in the week, though, as people get more emboldened, which is what usually happens. I'd almost prefer the downforce settings to be much lower, the slipstream set to 'real', and wonder if that would help clean up the racing. Hard to know. It was a disaster in prior Sport races in the past, with other settings, too. I was reset at Bathurst thanks to rammers, and I lost the most DR I ever lost at Spa when I was struggling to keep my A DR, some time ago.

Addicting racing, though.

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(peep the CRB... not too easy in this race)

I've been toying with the Lancer as well. Even bought one as I did not have one in my collection but so far I have not made it work for me yet. I've seen it high on the leader board so I know it got the potential, but it is still a 1/2s slower than the 911 for me and a little off the Lambo (but perhaps more safe).

Perhaps it's because my driving is conditioned to driving in a way that works with the understeering of the 911. So any tips on how to wrestle the best out of this car?
I love the RSR above all Gr3. It rewards 'backing up' the turns... braking a little earlier, and powering on the car through the apex. The earlier you can get on the car, the quicker the times will be. The funny thing is that it won't feel like it, when you are driving that car right, it gets simpler, but the time delta will continue to climb in the blue numbers. It's got a really flat torque curve, too, so always add throttle, even if it's half... keep the car balanced on all four tires and they will all do their job. It's the kind of car that when you know you are 'in the groove' or have slotted the apex just right, rewards you by allowing more throttle without changing the dynamics of the car mid-turn. So when you realize you are on the right line, always add a little throttle... it will both keep the car balanced through the rest of the turn and also increase the exit speed.

The balance does change a bit, though, with tires, and with varying speeds. It's a unique car, and it's interesting how PD are able to infuse the brand's character into the cars like they do.

Then, come race situations, set up your passes with that faster exit speed, because the car's best advantage is the brakes, which are better than the other Gr3 cars. Passes in the RSR are set up on exit, slipstream, then out-braking the other car, then sticking the apex until the next straight, where you should be able to cover the entry with those good brakes again.
 
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Haven't done any races this week. Honestly, they don't appeal to me... but I probably will before week's end. I am learning some new hardware so I've been doing some TTing for Race B.

Was wanting to try some different cars and was surprised by the Hyundai which I was able to do an 18.5. The Evo was an 18.4. Didn't think those were too bad considering... then I jumped into the Porsche and did a 17.9. Yea, the Porsche is OP/broken. I can't believe they Nerf'd the GTR in the last patch but didn't touch the Porsche.
I think a big part of the advantage the Porsche has is that its engine is hovering over the rear wheels which gives it an incredible amount of traction and therefore the ability to accelerate earlier than other cars in the class. I'm not sure how you manage that other than by reducing the overall amount of power the car can make and thus transfer to the wheels but yeah, it's the go to car for most places now just because of how easy it is to drive it quickly.
 
I think a big part of the advantage the Porsche has is that its engine is hovering over the rear wheels which gives it an incredible amount of traction and therefore the ability to accelerate earlier than other cars in the class. I'm not sure how you manage that other than by reducing the overall amount of power the car can make and thus transfer to the wheels but yeah, it's the go to car for most places now just because of how easy it is to drive it quickly.
You could reduce power and/or add weight. It's also no slouch on the straights. It didn't always used to be that way, at least as I recall. It drove the same but it was a slug on the straights. Now, it's still pretty quick.

The Porsche isn't the meta the way the Nissan was but it's EXTREMELY flexible and works on almost any track. It's also pretty safe powering out of corners so mid level drivers have confidence with it. Like a real Porsche.

The sleeper for me is the Lancer, it's there and thereabouts on anything but total power tracks.
As of last night, an Evo was P1 in the world.
 
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Very relatable comments here about Race C. It's a fantastic contest, albeit quite dependent on your luck around the first lap. I've had some good races here this morning and yesterday in mixed A+/A lobbies. I'm proud to say I can usually keep on the tails of the A+ crowd and generally drift away because of very small errors on my part or sometimes a particularly keen competitor trying to get in on the act and slowing us down. People seem to know how to drive cleanly here and it's only honest mistakes that tend to creep up, and the consequences are disproportionate under these conditions.

In one race last night, I was battling for 5th with another guy (after a written off first stint, I eventually caught back up to the pack). He attempted an overtake around the outside into the chicane, outbreaks himself, goes wide and in his attempt to rejoin from the green stuff, he comes across me on the racing line resulting in a collision and him spinning off.

Here's the clip, I'm curious to know the community's opinions of whether I could have done anything better to avoid this, or was it terrible awareness from him?



As you can see, I think about waiting for him but as soon as the 3 second penalty pops up, I reckon given the circumstances I can just race on.
 
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As of last night, an Evo was P1 in the world.
Gave the Lancer another go. I'm really having a hard time controlling that car. Honestly, I think it is worse than the Lambo. It's like trying to tame a wild cat that's been scolded by a hot poker while trying to put it into a bath tub! Or driving around Texas after an ice storm; skate rink alley.... Okay, enough metaphors; you get the drift..

Currently I'm testing with TCS off, ASM off but CS at weak. Any TCS just kills the speed, I also think I then lose speed potentially as I have to be really subtle on the throttle or you'l oversteer off track (hence the CS to offset this). I got the Lancer into the 1:20.x after many attempts with most runs in the 1:21 to 1:22 whereas if I use the Lambo or even the Ford GT'18 I'll be in the 1:20.x first lap..

I know this car is top in the world but I just don't know how they do it..
 
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Very relatable comments here about Race C. It's a fantastic contest, albeit quite dependent on your luck around the first lap. I've had some good races here this morning and yesterday in mixed A+/A lobbies. I'm proud to say I can usually keep on the tails of the A+ crowd and generally drift away because of very small errors on my part or sometimes a particularly keen competitor trying to get in on the act and slowing us down. People seem to know how to drive cleanly here and it's only honest mistakes that tend to creep up, and the consequences are disproportionate under these conditions.

In one race last night, I was battling for 5th with another guy (after a written off first stint, I eventually caught back up to the pack). He attempted an overtake around the outside into the chicane, outbreaks himself, goes wide and in his attempt to rejoin from the green stuff, he comes across me on the racing line resulting in a collision and him spinning off.

Here's the clip, I'm curious to know the community's opinions of whether I could have done anything better to avoid this, or was it terrible awareness from him?



As you can see, I think about waiting for him but as soon as the 3 second penalty pops up, I reckon given the circumstances I can just race on.

about the only thing you could have done was anticipate the rejoin because it's always going to happen there and hammer the brakes so that you don't run into him. Yes it's his responsibility to rejoin safely but it's also your responsibility not to hit people if you can avoid it.

Likely you didn't have enough time or room to slow down enough once you realized he was off circuit and nobody is going to expect you to slow down further entering that corner just so that an overaggressive driver (overaggressive in respect to approach to the corner, not wheel to wheel competition) can safely fix their mistake.

So basically yes you could have avoided by either being superhuman on the brakes and steering once you realized he was coming back on OR by being superhuman and predicting the future.
 
As you can see, I think about waiting for him but as soon as the 3 second penalty pops up, I reckon given the circumstances I can just race on.
He lost it, his fault trying a boneheaded move. I wouldn't have waited at all.
Gave the Lancer another go. I'm really having a hard time controlling that car. Honestly, I think it is worse than the Lambo. It's like trying to tame a wild cat that's been scolded by a hot poker while trying to put it into a bath tub! Or driving around Texas after an ice storm; skate rink alley.... Okay, enough metaphors; you get the drift..

Currently I'm testing with TCS off, ASM off but CS at weak. Any TCS just kills the speed, I also think I then lose speed potentially as I have to be really subtle on the throttle or you'l oversteer off track (hence the CS to offset this). I got the Lancer into the 1:20.x after many attempts with most runs in the 1:21 to 1:22 whereas if I use the Lambo or even the Ford GT'18 I'll be in the 1:20.x first lap..

I know this car is top in the world but I just don't know how they do it..
Eh? Are we driving the same car? I am using the most ham-fisted controls possible and I find it the easiest RWD car outside of the Supra to keep control of. I can drive it so hard, and you need to because it is slow in a straight line.
 
Eh? Are we driving the same car? I am using the most ham-fisted controls possible and I find it the easiest RWD car outside of the Supra to keep control of. I can drive it so hard, and you need to because it is slow in a straight line.
Lancer Evolution Final Gr.3 right? Remember you have to make allowances for me being an idiot driver at times... :bowdown:

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Due to my low A rating, I race in a lot of A+ heavy lobbies and I've don't think I've ever had blatant dirty driving from them. They are just alien fast, so you are likely catching them way off guard with an early brake point, especially if it's early in the race and they haven't had a chance to notice you are braking early.

This is almost all Race C experience for me, and I do think the Race B format brings out the worst in drivers, so I could be wrong.
you would really think A+ drivers know better and can handle things better. A lot, do actually - I've had many A+ behind me that I know are just being patient with me. I don't usually defend too hard and let them pass early in the race when they are clearly faster. Last lap, maybe defend harder. But I know exactly what you're describing, I've also seen many who behave like they are entitled. When that happens , I log off, go out for some fresh air.
The weird thing about all this is that I’m qualifying faster than some of these folks, so I have a pretty good idea where I should be braking. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t have a better quali time. So it shouldn’t be the brake markers that are getting me in trouble.

I wholeheartedly admit, though, that my race pace isn’t as good. I’m still using the same markers, so it shouldn’t affect them, but I really need to get more experience racing in crowds without killing everyone. Which leads me to . . .
But yeah, people could stand to learn some racecraft.
Me too! I’m wishing there was a way for this to happen in GT7. I wish penalties helped teach the right behavior, and I wish there was a more advanced “racing school” type of approach for at least some of the online races.
I haven't experienced this at all, knock on wood. Maybe they just don't want to tick off the grumpy old man?
Good luck. I honestly don’t know how they’re braking so late into T1! I mean, it can be done if you’re prepared to come to a near standstill before turning, but that’s horrible race strategy. I honestly think they’re counting on no penalties and just driving too aggressively.
 
Maybe a wheel vs controller thing, I do find all the cars a bit looser on the wheel. In saying that, it should still be one of the more easier RWD cars to handle.
yeah, I was wondering the same thing, apples and oranges. I'm on controller and find the lancer evo fun to drive and can match my 911 times easily. I do trail brake like mad and ease into throttle or it will lose the back. TC0.

At the 321 countdown, almost everyone catches me at t1, usually a 911. I brace for impact but if I get through I can usually hold my own through the rest of the race; same thing happend at interlagos last week. It feels really solid in the downhill hairpin, brake straight and turn in.
 
I think a big part of the advantage the Porsche has is that its engine is hovering over the rear wheels which gives it an incredible amount of traction and therefore the ability to accelerate earlier than other cars in the class. I'm not sure how you manage that other than by reducing the overall amount of power the car can make and thus transfer to the wheels but yeah, it's the go to car for most places now just because of how easy it is to drive it quickly.

The weight has a lot to do with it, but I think it's more down to gearing. To get things like the GTR fast you double short shift at the apex. Where as in the porsche you can actually use 1st and second to build speed.

No turbo, long ratios and mid corner poise help the porsche a lot.

I've done one A and one B this week. But did maybe 200 laps in other cars and on a TT I just can't match the porkers pace in any one of them.

That said I'm the opposite of committed this week so probably not try Harding as much as I normally would.
 
Eh? Are we driving the same car? I am using the most ham-fisted controls possible and I find it the easiest RWD car outside of the Supra to keep control of. I can drive it so hard, and you need to because it is slow in a straight line.
Same here. I gave it a dozen laps and found it a fun ride, easy to drive, and slow as ****.😆

But the latter part is probably on me.
 
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