GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[icycls]

So how many people here still use track assists?

I still have the brake zone highlighted (the red area, forget what it is called). Like you said, it is not always where I actually brake. On some car/track combos, it is ridiculously long and you can go deeper into it, on others, I brake a little earlier. Mostly I use boards, fixed references, etc, adjusting for the car/track.

So why use the brake zone? I don't know... but when I have turned it off, I get disoriented! I think it helps me in flat-space (not vr) to have a little depth perception approaching the corner. I suspect if I turned it off and left it off for a couple weeks, I would adjust just fine.

Daytona this week, besides the difference in braking lengths (which experienced drivers absolutley should be aware of and taking into consideration), there is real dirty air. You've been high speed drafting though the start/finish and then, wham!, turn 1! Wake up time!

 

[TheNormsk]

I don't usually use any of the visual assists in the game but do obviously use ABS and occasionally TC1 in a race if I'm dialling my foot in or just sloppy with a particular car.

It's a personal thing but I found both the apex markers and the braking zone indicated misleading and also don't adapt to the relative speed and angle of the car.

Also I can't do with all the visual clutter when there are on track or trackside details I can use my periphery vision on.

I'm beginning to reach that transition point, like I did when I shifted from automatic to manual shifting, that I should now be driving with no visual aids. I feel, at least with certain tracks, that I am now better without visual aids than with. For instance Spa and Lacuna Seca for me are now purely no aid. I find that doing time trials is where I tend transition as I do a track over and over and learn the nuances of it.

For a track I am not comfortable with I still use aids. That'll reduce over time as I drive more tracks, more frequently.

 

[Mercia]

Aids or not it's more about having the ability to adjust your braking points when in traffic, it's pointless hitting your brake marker dead on when arriving behind a bunch of cars with some definitely having braked early. Especially on Lap 1 / turn 1 where the braking point is later into the turn anyway.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Aids or not it's more about having the ability to adjust your braking points when in traffic, it's pointless hitting your brake marker dead on when arriving behind a bunch of cars with some definitely having braked early. Especially on Lap 1 / turn 1 where the braking point is later into the turn anyway.

And the tires are colder.

Edit:

@TheNormsk have you done or redone all the circuit experiences with no markers on?

That helps just as much if not more than pounding TT laps?

 

[TechnoIsLove]

NOT PROUD BUT SATISFIED...

Got tired of constantly getting hit and punted every time I'm using my 2nd account at Daytona. For 3 straight races, found myself facing the wrong way after getting hit.

I improved my time to try and start further up and did just that, started race 4 in P2. What good that did lol... Counted at least 12 hits in the first 3 laps, almost all blatant. Was down to P6 and then I decided to fight back and get the elbows out, no punting.

Final lap I catch up to main offender when I was in P4 and gently moved him out of the way (haha) at T1. Went on to salvage a podium and set fastest lap in the end.

Not happy it's come to this!



** UPDATE **

Improved my time again on 2nd account and pole position did the trick in race 5 🤣😎

 

[Chris30]

I hope Race A has DR/SR changes next week. They all look fun!

I agree, I am having a good old time at Grand Valley South. It's nice that they give you a small selection of Group 4 cars to choose from. Everyone has their opinion on which car is their favorite. Mine is the Veyron b/c it brakes and handles corners smoothly and swift. And that's how I like it in GT. No sliding and losing time.

 

[Famine]

Aids or not it's more about having the ability to adjust your braking points when in traffic, it's pointless hitting your brake marker dead on when arriving behind a bunch of cars with some definitely having braked early.

Or any other cars at all; if you're closer than ~0.15s to a car in front and you both brake bang on the correct spot for a 60mph corner, you will crash into the back of it unless you take a different line.

 

[Chris30]

NOT PROUD BUT SATISFIED...

Got tired of constantly getting hit and punted every time I'm using my 2nd account at Daytona. For 3 straight races, found myself facing the wrong way after getting hit.

I improved my time to try and start further up and did just that, started race 4 in P2. What good that did lol... Counted at least 12 hits in the first 3 laps, almost all blatant. Was down to P6 and then I decided to fight back and get the elbows out, no punting.

Final lap I catch up to main offender when I was in P4 and gently moved him out of the way (haha) at T1. Went on to salvage a podium and set fastest lap in the end.

Not happy it's come to this!

Yeah fighting is the only thing you can do when you're in a dire situation like that, been there many times in my life.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I need a 1:46.6 or better QT to get into top 4 starting positions in my class.

I understand your frustration at not being able to improve your QT, but you're at least a half-second faster than I am, and I'm consistently in P4-6, at least during the day. Not sure why you're not higher up. Oh wait, never mind - you must be an A. I'm just a lowly B (that's right, I kept my "A" for exactly one race).

 

[newmedia_dev]

I understand your frustration at not being able to improve your QT, but you're at least a half-second faster than I am, and I'm consistently in P4-6, at least during the day. Not sure why you're not higher up. Oh wait, never mind - you must be an A. I'm just a lowly B (that's right, I kept my "A" for exactly one race).

Arguably A is a measure of pace and consistency the tolerance is smaller the further up you go.

It's no different to being the fast B drivers compared to C etc just the pace quickens so the margins get tighter?

 

[Chris30]

I understand your frustration at not being able to improve your QT, but you're at least a half-second faster than I am, and I'm consistently in P4-6, at least during the day. Not sure why you're not higher up. Oh wait, never mind - you must be an A. I'm just a lowly B (that's right, I kept my "A" for exactly one race).

I feel this way all the time. can never get below #4000 in the rankings of anywhere or any race.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I feel this way all the time. can never get below #4000 in the rankings of anywhere or any race.

This is sad to read.

I was exactly the same when I started GT7 online. I have the 25 year history with the game and a huge number of games (pc) in between.

So I started out exactly like that although I wasn't braking the top 10k.

How do you improve?

Well and this is me personally I went back and got gold on all the licences. Easy enough after the play time I had.

Raced a bit and focused on A (when it was ranked) and didn't care about position just overtaking cleanly and staying on the track around other cars.

Then I went and doubled down on circuit experiences. Almost all of them are GR3 cars with a few exceptions. Grind and grind the tokyo ones as they were hard for me.

Obviously raced in between but again low expectations and low effort qualifying.

Just a note here, is when you see people going from the back in a lobby that is fast and C/B don't expect them to catch the leader as that might be someone whos dropped down from a level above yours. Going from the back is cute and cool at the top level. In lower levels it incentivises the the wrong attitudes.

Then you get to really racing and improving your ratings.

It's simple to do.

Qualify well, finish higher and don't get contact penalties.

That's it.

But the reality is, that you have to understand how you are driving vs the top times. You really have to put the effort in to focus on trail braking or coasting. Really have to have fixed braking markers. Really really really have to know how to get cleanly on the the throttle.

You need to focus on learning what fast means in this game. And it's a little nuanced. Part sim part arcade but if you can cleanly (no jitter or TC intervention) accurate from a corner you have just moved up 1000 places.

If you can brake early but progressively so the maximum braking is at the point you want to switch to full throttle, there is another 1000 places.

Watching the ghosts doesn't tell the whole story. The top guys are picking lines, specific markers to brake, ease off, accelerate but these are after hundreds of laps.

I can post my stats going from 0 to almost A consistently. But it's mostly driving, just driving and for most guys in the slightly less quick lobbies it's a lot to do with misinterpreting contact. There is also bad driving but read the above paragraphs on that.

Top 4K is awesome but if you want to move further up you need to start understanding where you are losing time.

 

[TheNormsk]

@TheNormsk have you done or redone all the circuit experiences with no markers on?

Actually I just started doing the CE again to redo or even complete for the first time and yes, I am trying without markers. First one the other day was Lacuna Seca. Currently gold on everything except final hot lap which I am some thousandths off on. Need to go back to that one...

I understand your frustration at not being able to improve your QT, but you're at least a half-second faster than I am, and I'm consistently in P4-6, at least during the day. Not sure why you're not higher up. Oh wait, never mind - you must be an A. I'm just a lowly B (that's right, I kept my "A" for exactly one race).

"A" I wish, or perhaps I don't. I'm in the bottom half of B. Well just, currently at 46% ranking. My races were late evening, typically after 11pm. The field is smaller then hence the As in my lobby.

Arguably A is a measure of pace and consistency the tolerance is smaller the further up you go.

It's no different to being the fast B drivers compared to C etc just the pace quickens so the margins get tighter?

I agree, that as I progress, while my QT might improve the gap around me reduces massively to the point that we are talking hundredths of a second.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

you're at least a half-second faster than I am, and I'm consistently in P4-6

When am I going to learn to keep my mouth shut? Started the next 2 races P9 and P11. And I sucked. Not a good combination, but one with which I am intimately familiar.

 

[xTWiZTED]

After a week of learning the very basics of the game, I picked up my first win! Started 5th, overtook one guy in T1 and just chased the two guys infront for the rest of the race. Made a move on the entrance to the tunnel and crossed the finish line in first place!

 

[TheNormsk]

I feel this way all the time. can never get below #4000 in the rankings of anywhere or any race.

I only picked up GT7 last winter and before then the last GT I played was 5, about a decade ago. At first I felt terrible and then as I started to get into DR C I started to enjoy the races more but also would get frustrated at the terrible driving in DR D/DR C - my driving among them.

What helped a lot was when @GrumpyOldMan posted how to share replays and how to look up others so that you can learn from them and follow ghosts. That was transformative for me. Slowly, that improved my driving and allowed me to get faster. I never really won much, in fact in some 327 races I have only won 6 times. For me getting a top 5 is more the goal.

While I would like more podiums/top 5s my ultimate goal is really to finish top 8. If I can stay top 8, then my DR maintains or improves. Then as my lobbies get harder it shows I am improving still, even though I may not be on the podium.

The other thing I would recommend is to take part in the time trials and also friend some folks here to compare your times against theirs (though there are quick people here so don't get discouraged). I don't mind pounding the same track round and round to try to eke out those hundredths of a second to get gold. Sometimes I succeed, sometimes I don't. Post your replays and ask for help. The community on the TT thread is very willing to provide feedback to help you succeed.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I know this type of thing happens to everyone, but it still sucks. I dropped my QT at Daytona from 1:47.277 down to 1.46.973, which is awesome. Started P3. Got tapped at the wrong time on T3 Lap 1, sent into the grass. Same thing on Lap 2, then got annihilated on T4/5 because I had to brake hard for some idiot, and the guy behind me wasn't paying attention to me - he was battling someone else, and he ate my ass. And my ass was in the grass.

I finished P7 after being down to P14, so I guess that's something.

One thing I had reinforced for me: Don't give people a chance to go inside on a turn, or they will, no matter what that will do to you. So when you've got people behind you, forget about the fastest line. Hug the corners, and hope they don't just plow into you anyway.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I know this type of thing happens to everyone, but it still sucks. I dropped my QT at Daytona from 1:47.277 down to 1.46.973, which is awesome. Started P3. Got tapped at the wrong time on T3 Lap 1, sent into the grass. Same thing on Lap 2, then got annihilated on T4/5 because I had to brake hard for some idiot, and the guy behind me wasn't paying attention to me - he was battling someone else, and he ate my ass. And my ass was in the grass.

I finished P7 after being down to P14, so I guess that's something.

One thing I had reinforced for me: Don't give people a chance to go inside on a turn, or they will, no matter what that will do to you. So when you've got people behind you, forget about the fastest line. Hug the corners, and hope they don't just plow into you anyway.

I know this type of thing happens to everyone, but it still sucks. I dropped my QT at Daytona from 1:47.277 down to 1.46.973, which is awesome. Started P3. Got tapped at the wrong time on T3 Lap 1, sent into the grass. Same thing on Lap 2, then got annihilated on T4/5 because I had to brake hard for some idiot, and the guy behind me wasn't paying attention to me - he was battling someone else, and he ate my ass. And my ass was in the grass.

I finished P7 after being down to P14, so I guess that's something.

One thing I had reinforced for me: Don't give people a chance to go inside on a turn, or they will, no matter what that will do to you. So when you've got people behind you, forget about the fastest line. Hug the corners, and hope they don't just plow into you anyway.

I know this type of thing happens to everyone, but it still sucks. I dropped my QT at Daytona from 1:47.277 down to 1.46.973, which is awesome. Started P3. Got tapped at the wrong time on T3 Lap 1, sent into the grass. Same thing on Lap 2, then got annihilated on T4/5 because I had to brake hard for some idiot, and the guy behind me wasn't paying attention to me - he was battling someone else, and he ate my ass. And my ass was in the grass.

I finished P7 after being down to P14, so I guess that's something.

One thing I had reinforced for me: Don't give people a chance to go inside on a turn, or they will, no matter what that will do to you. So when you've got people behind you, forget about the fastest line. Hug the corners, and hope they don't just plow into you anyway.

That's not the optimum strategy.

It guards you for a few corners, but your exits are so compromised you either invite over optimistic overtakes that end in tears or they will just line you up for the straights.

What is the problem with letting a more faster or aggressive driver through?

Worst case scenario is you lose a place but your race pace keeps you closer to the front?

Best case scenario is you back the people up behind your off racing slower lines?

We just have very different reasons we race and what for I guess. Horses for courses.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

The new pedals have not made me faster, not noticeably anyway. I could drive as fast with the last set but the feel and consistency is better. It feels more like a proper car with the right degree of squish in the application of force.

Kriptical is right in that you still have to develop the technique to maximize your braking and while easier now, I still don't always get it right. At the end of the day, I'm a hack and if spending the $$ on nicer pedals make it easier for me to drive then I am okay with that. I know that there are much more highly skilled drivers out there that would crush me on a controller (couldn't use that to save my life) or ragged old standard G29s...

Monday was nice. I had two really clean races and wish I had time to carry on. I think you are right, as the week progresses, more drive so there is more chance to get the idiots.

There's some build in advantages to a wheel over a controller, such as tire wear. Controller drivers have to turn in much sooner and have a harder time being precise so wear the tyres more. They also have a slower acceleration than wheel.
But it's just the nature of things

 

[MrHatss]

Race B has reached the point where I need a better QT but as is apt for me I set my best QT at the start of the week and then ingrain bad driving habits after that and can't progress. I need a 1:46.6 or better QT to get into top 4 starting positions in my class.

Real story, this is how my week always goes....I work on my QT for the first couple of days and then that timings keeps returning every time being incorporated in my driving style.
This time I decided to "refresh" the habit watching a couple of replay and making extensive use of a very quick ghost...and tonight I shaved a little bit closing at 1:47:12x from 1:47:333, better than nothing.
I still feel that I can push under 1:47, but the ceiling is quite unbreakable for me
At least I have to say that this week I'm having fun trying to improve my QT, last week with dragon tail I was already bored with the chicane of death and so on...I quite like Daytona road version.

So, not a bad day for me, did 5 races always started 5-6-7 and finished in almost the same position, better result 4th from 7th with clean race and a very remarkable fight with respectful users, while the first of the evening was really bad being dumped at the first turn

ps. I always start the week using track assist to learn the track and the reference point where to brake and so on, in a couple of days I turn off everything cause I think they quite make some "noise" in the visual when there are lots of cars in the way

 

[mellofello9]

There's some build in advantages to a wheel over a controller, such as tire wear. Controller drivers have to turn in much sooner and have a harder time being precise so wear the tyres more. They also have a slower acceleration than wheel.
But it's just the nature of things

One of my biggest challenges with the controller is the steering limit based on gear. The Maggi' TT is a great case-in-point. The tight-n-slow right-hander onto the straight would be much safer to punch out of in 2nd. Problem is, even in second I couldn't get full twist on the 'wheel' and have to hit first just to make the turn.

While that kinda sucks, the controller reigns supreme for catching snap-oversteer, so there's that.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

To say this week has been a *-show would be an understatement. This last race had two people out to kill each other right from the start (bad blood from prior races apparently), and unfortunately they didn't care how many other people they took out in the process. Including me. Twice. Then one of them got upset with me in the post-race chat because I defended coming into the finish flag. Well, * him, ...and the horse he rode in on (link has bad language and gestures).

 

[Kriptical]

while this should be on the bottom of everyones list..

However!
I accidentally managed raise the bird in pavlov, and could only think about how great it would be if we could..gesture..

i dunno. Something, something, mid-week in the radical spinning into oblivion 😆

 

[icycls]

well, I've been in rare form this last two or three weeks. Another good qualy in race B and good pace with top-half grid finishes. I'm building on that shiny new A rating and might have a buffer to keep it for more than a week.

I find this hysterically funny, because I think if Dante designed a region of hell specifically for me, it would include the Daytona infield. I feel like it is 80 corners meant to torture, torment and humiliate me. On top of that, I have never felt like I could tame the ford, and yet, here I am.

I am liking race C as well, but I'm totally mediocre there, yesterday I had a bland P11 finish, but I ran nice clean, tortoise laps and finished with a CRB! A CRB after thirteen laps at RA in any car, never mind this slippy thing, put a smile on my face.

I'll give Race A a try this weekend when I'm burned out on B and C.

Next week or two, I'm sure to be humbled again. It never fails to come back around.

 

[Chris30]

To say this week has been a *-show would be an understatement. This last race had two people out to kill each other right from the start (bad blood from prior races apparently), and unfortunately they didn't care how many other people they took out in the process. Including me. Twice. Then one of them got upset with me in the post-race chat because I defended coming into the finish flag. Well, * him, ...and the horse he rode in on (link has bad language and gestures).

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How do extensively search for the ghosts you want, like I'm trying to find one next to my time in the Maggoire TT, around 0'52.925. Can someone help me here? And for the daily races as well. I'm not gonna bother with the Atlanta one, 13 laps there would not be fun for me and I'm not really skilled there either, so i'll pass.

 

[KAlex122]

Question:
If i would quit a race, i would loose DR + SR, right? But what happens if i am so slow (for example staying in the pit to not bother anyone around) that i can't finish the race due to the one something minutes passing after the winner hits the finish line? Will i still loose SR?

 

[TheNormsk]

I decided to race B on my GB account tonight (early morning there) for fun. I was competitive but ultimate committed suicide and dropped my DR back to a C with a 2200 drop!

Yeah, these results are depressing!

Race 1

Q5 start but some kerfuffle in t3 dropped me to 7th but the cars ahead were fighting into turn 5 going wide and slower. I dove on my regular QT line, which was on the inside and one car turns in an hits me. He then gets hit by two others and goes off track along with some others. Meanwhile other cars are going off track in front of me. It's chaos. I emerge in 3rd, but then I am given a 5 second penalty for car hit. In addition I was the only person penalized. I think that was unfair. Perhaps tomorrow I'll post the video. That dropped me to 9th but I made it back to finish in 6th. I felt that could have been a podium...

Race 2

Q5 start and had a great turn 1 and was up to 4th by turn 5 and as I approach turn 6 I realize I have no gear shift. Then I realize I have no wheel controls at all but I do have pedals and steering. I drive on auto for a bit trying to fix it but get disqualified for too long on auto. Turns out the axle had drifted on my GT DD Pro (apparently this is common as Fanatec has video on how to reseat these). Great but that is bloody inconvenient mid race.

Race 3

I reset the wheel and got my controls working again so I thought one more, to see if I could recover as I was liking the lobbies I was in otherwise (a mix of A to C). I was having a really clean race and was up to 5th from a Q6 start when I followed P4 too close at turn 3. They drift off, and so do did I but in a way to cause me to spin out . By the time I'm back on track the renegades have caught up and because of the speed difference they hit me back off track again (don't think any of them got a penalty) so I drop down to 14th which is where I ended.

So that one massacred my DR and I got a 2200 or 35% DR drop to 65% C. Yeah!

Silver lining. Now I am back in C, with a mid B capability, perhaps I can improve my win to race ratio

Question:
If i would quit a race, i would loose DR + SR, right? But what happens if i am so slow (for example staying in the pit to not bother anyone around) that i can't finish the race due to the one something minutes passing after the winner hits the finish line? Will i still loose SR?

If you are able to stay in the pit lane (I am not sure it will allow you) you SR should not drop if you make it to the end of the race. You'll be recorded as a DNF which would impact your DR but I believe your SR will be unaffected. Unfortunately you also can't leave the car in auto as that has a time limit (something like 30 seconds) before you get disqualified. I found that out tonight ^^^

 

[Slowdan]

I am loving driving race C, despite apparently not being that quick! 😁 I seem to be mostly starting around 10th, but it's just good fun tight racing.

Had a go last night and made the mistake of losing too much time staying in a fun battle too long, and then actually changing tyres in the pit stop (D'oh!) But I did gain a few places on the last lap thanks to some incodents. The car in front of me got a wheel snagged in the inside of the final turn and spun across the line, leading to the first photo finish I've seen where one of the cars is facing almost 90 degrees to the other! 😆

I've been mixing it up with some B too and having fun making up some places. Daytona seems to be one of those places that squeezes everyone close together at the worst time, making clean races pretty rare.

 

[Mercia]

I am loving driving race C, despite apparently not being that quick! 😁 I seem to be mostly starting around 10th, but it's just good fun tight racing.

It is a blast and will be much missed. Hopefully they'll bring the Radical's round again sooner next time, Watkins Glen could be a good playground for them.

 

[Dairyworker]

No work yesterday so i did a good number of races throughout the day. Results were varied with a few wins sprinkled in but mostly was top 5/podiums, starting anywhere from pole to P9. I managed to drag my DR from mid B to what i think is only a few points away from A. Which is nice as i was a low-mid A on gtsport and for the first many months on gt7, but i then did some races i shouldn't have lol


Yesterday was one of my best experiences with gt7. In all of the racing i did yesterday i only saw a couple blatant dirty moves, but i did see a absolute ton of close hard and competitive racing. Hopefully i can get on this evening for more. Still feel like i can improve on my qt also, currently a 46.3xx

Oh and here is the replay from earlier in the week. It really is nothing special. After watching i wasn't even gonna bother sharing it tbh. But you never know, someone might actually watch it and either have good advice for me or will see something that helps them. Anyway, tv replay if first, my perspective starts at about 820




Have a great day gtplanet 🍻