GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Slowdan]

Managed some good races last night. Started on C in 11th, after a busy first lap I was in 6th across the line. Then it was a case of keeping it together for the rest of the race. Had a few scruffy laps here and there, but wasn't far off my quali pace for a lot of them. That obviously paid off as starting the final lap, 5th came out of he pits just ahead of me. I caught him but not close enough to pass. Happy with the result and a CRB though!

So I went to Daytona for a bit of qualifying and improved my time by half a second. So I jump in a race to see if I can start higher up the grid. No! P12 which is two lower than the last race I entered here. 😁

Had a good race though, I managed to avoid most of the incidents, through a bit of luck and a bunch of caution, like this...

... and managed to pull in 6th again with another CRB.

Obviously I had to try one more time at Daytona (starting 10th) and this time I got wiped out. Did manage to recover back to my starting position though, so not too bad.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I am a little late on this but just wanted to pipe in on @GrumpyOldMan question to @TheNormsk
About why he isn't higher in DR than him.
I have never raced with any of you guys but just from your posts I can tell what it is.
It's attitude in racing. None of you are dirty but @GrumpyOldMan is clearly much more aggressive in his races. When I read your posts it's often "then some idiot ahead brakes too early" or "I passed him with a little contact but he initiated it".
While @TheNormsk is more "I couldn't make a safe pass as he was braking early ruining my exit"..
This translate firmly to finish position and that's the only thing affecting DR. Also, being willing to drop to SR A has the same effect.

Now I hope you understand I am not blaming any of you for anything here, just sharing my observations. I don't think any of you are doing anything wrong, it's just different from each other.
@GrumpyOldMan has the attitude of a high level pro racer while @TheNormsk has the attitude of a high level amateur racer.

I myself have the attitude of a lower level amateur racer

 

[Cherryturbo]

I am a little late on this but just wanted to pipe in on @GrumpyOldMan question to @TheNormsk
About why he isn't higher in DR than him.
I have never raced with any of you guys but just from your posts I can tell what it is.
It's attitude in racing. None of you are dirty but @GrumpyOldMan is clearly much more aggressive in his races. When I read your posts it's often "then some idiot ahead brakes too early" or "I passed him with a little contact but he initiated it".
While @TheNormsk is more "I couldn't make a safe pass as he was braking early ruining my exit"..
This translate firmly to finish position and that's the only thing affecting DR. Also, being willing to drop to SR A has the same effect.

Now I hope you understand I am not blaming any of you for anything here, just sharing my observations. I don't think any of you are doing anything wrong, it's just different from each other.
@GrumpyOldMan has the attitude of a high level pro racer while @TheNormsk has the attitude of a high level amateur racer.

I myself have the attitude of a lower level amateur racer

Interesting post.

Makes you think.

Personally, I have the attitude of a base level tractor driver ……

 

[Dairyworker]

Another great afternoon of racing at Daytona yesterday. Was mostly in the middle of the pack, but got some podiums and had a ton of great, enjoyable racing again. I see that this week has been awful there for some of you, and that sucks, believe me i have been there. Somehow i have been getting lucky and have had a great week so far...

 

[Kamikatze]

This week has been brilliant so far, the Radical/Atlanta combo is such a nice treat once you have learned how to tackle the first corners and survive the first lap without being squeezed out, it turns into a mini endurance race. The only question is whether to go into the super fun (and thankfully almost always clean) duels or pit early and switch to qualifying mode without traffic, which is a bit more boring but leads to better results.

Never ever will I try race B after all your reports on suffering when will SR coincide with real sportsmanship...

 

[OJBrit]

This may be the worst penalty Gran Turismo has ever issued!
This is so bad. The poor guy in front of me did absolutely nothing wrong, and got a 5 second penalty.
I would have been so upset if I were him.



Figure it out, PD.

That's what happens when you use the computer to calculate penalties and not the human eye. It sucks but would require a better code to fix.

I was tired of all the white cars, that look more grey than white in the cloudy conditions.

We're used to that here across the pond. Then they go brown in the winter with the road salt.

 

[MrHatss]

And so....this happens when you've got dirty drivers in the lobby, first race you gain 5p helped by the fact that the group in the lead is destroyed by a couple of crazy users.....but in the race after you're dumped and finish 12th from 6th Q...sport mode right now is like this, you've got to be lucky

 

[Kriptical]

I kinda wish DR was a lot harder to gain/lose, and SR was much easier.

DR is simply a match making device based on who winning/loosing lately. Not a ranking system. Unless im viewing it wrong. Anyway, it seems as if many perceive it as more of a rank and subsequently are willing to get dirty to preserve their precious ego’s. I also suspect that race A having gr. 3-4 etc races is a training ground for these jokers to perfect eluding the penalty system with their cheap shots…and im not sure how this gets fixed until sophy arrives. I kinda think it will be getting worse for another month or two with the movie. Sooo many jokers with ‘main-character syndrome.’ 🤦‍♂️

Ok, enough tears..just a little frustration stemming from getting cheap shotted every time i hit the B’s. I swear B is dirtier than C lately..

 

[astiik]

hello guys im new in GT, can someone explain what it means blinking headlights. playing on the nerves and provoking a mistake? or what? Sorry for my bad English

 

[NAXEHT]

hello guys im new in GT, can someone explain what it means blinking headlights. playing on the nerves and provoking a mistake? or what? Sorry for my bad English

In the races here someone flashing their lights usually means they’re unhappy with a poor or dirty overtake and want the position back. Some people on controller hold their controller in a really weird way too and accidentally flash their lights in corners, that tends to happen sometimes too.

 

[astiik]

he races here someone flashing their lights usually means they’re unhappy with a poor or dirty overtake and want the position back. Some people on controller hold their controller in a really weird way too and accidentally flash their lights in corners, that tends to happen sometimes too.

Got it, thanks for the answer. Usually I try to be as clean as possible, but sometimes I make a mistake and if the overtaking turned out to be not at all clean, I give up the position, because it's fair. Often this distracts, after which I start to make more mistakes.

 

[mellofello9]

In the races here someone flashing their lights usually means they’re unhappy with a poor or dirty overtake and want the position back. Some people on controller hold their controller in a really weird way too and accidentally flash their lights in corners, that tends to happen sometimes too.

I often wonder how many folks are completely unaware that the headlight flash is mapped to L3 by default on a controller? TBH, I didn't. It wasn't until I watched a replay that I noticed...and it was a LOOOOOOONG time until I had a replay worth watching. You get all amped-up and the grip get's tighter and tighter, it just kinda happens.😁

To that point, though, it can be irritating and you have to keep in mind that some people do it just to get you off your game. It's just one of the many 'psychological warfare' angles that racing brings to the table. Kinda like peeking down the inside into a turn to see how your competitor will react. If something has happened to justify getting 'flashed', certainly make a note to do better. Otherwise, they can ****-off.

 

[TheNormsk]

I am a little late on this but just wanted to pipe in on @GrumpyOldMan question to @TheNormsk
About why he isn't higher in DR than him.
I have never raced with any of you guys but just from your posts I can tell what it is.
It's attitude in racing. None of you are dirty but @GrumpyOldMan is clearly much more aggressive in his races. When I read your posts it's often "then some idiot ahead brakes too early" or "I passed him with a little contact but he initiated it".
While @TheNormsk is more "I couldn't make a safe pass as he was braking early ruining my exit"..
This translate firmly to finish position and that's the only thing affecting DR. Also, being willing to drop to SR A has the same effect.

Now I hope you understand I am not blaming any of you for anything here, just sharing my observations. I don't think any of you are doing anything wrong, it's just different from each other.
@GrumpyOldMan has the attitude of a high level pro racer while @TheNormsk has the attitude of a high level amateur racer.

I myself have the attitude of a lower level amateur racer

Astute observation. So I am a more cautious, defensive driver and @GrumpyOldMan is more of a "here kids, hold my beer" kind of driver?

I think you must be a psychologist by trade. Do you provide therapy session? I think I need some as my wife tells me I'm addicted and that it is kind of concerning!

Personally, I'll take "high level amateur racer" as a compliment. Now if I want to move to A, I need to learn to shake that away and become an a-hole and just become more aggressive...

 

[Mercia]

Got it, thanks for the answer. Usually I try to be as clean as possible, but sometimes I make a mistake and if the overtaking turned out to be not at all clean, I give up the position, because it's fair. Often this distracts, after which I start to make more mistakes.

Simple really, don't look back.

 

[TheNormsk]

Simple really, don't look back.

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This ^

Really, I never look at what is going on behind me. I drive in hood/roof view that has no rear view mirror. I rely on the radar and that is only of concern when a blip is close behind me or to the side in turns. Otherwise I don't want to know what is going on as it is distracting. You need only be focusing on your next target: car to overtake, apex to hit, etc.

 

[astiik]

Simple really, don't look back.

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I try, but sometimes still look to know what is happening behind. Gotta learn not to look back

 

[moby323]

I try, but sometimes still look to know what is happening behind. Gotta learn not to look back

Yeah I don’t even know what that means. What happens directly behind you is almost as important as what happens directly in front of you. How else do you defend, or avoid being punted?

Anyway my racing style is conservative because to me the worst outcome of a race is when I know I made a mistake and ruined someone else’s race, especially if they had a chance at a really good finish. This attitude will limit me, I know, because at some point you need to start taking places away from people rather than just capitalizing on their mistakes, but I get a lot of enjoyment out of finishing 3rd or 4th in a good race and rarely will try to take 1st or 2nd if there is a considerable risk of disaster for me or someone else. That’s just my nature.

 

[TheNormsk]

Yeah I don’t even know what that means. What happens directly behind you is almost as important as what happens directly in front of you. How else do you defend, or avoid being punted?

Oh that doesn't mean I'm not situationally aware of what is going on around me. I agree that is important, but there are other ways to do that.

1) I use the radar so that you know what is behind and to which side.
2) I keep an eye on the leader board and notice the time intervals between me and the car behind.
3) I occasionally use the look back if I'm approaching a prime punt spot and I need to know how to handle the next corner (if it does not distract me from setting myself up for that corner).

 

[NAXEHT]

I often wonder how many folks are completely unaware that the headlight flash is mapped to L3 by default on a controller? TBH, I didn't. It wasn't until I watched a replay that I noticed...and it was a LOOOOOOONG time until I had a replay worth watching. You get all amped-up and the grip get's tighter and tighter, it just kinda happens.😁

To that point, though, it can be irritating and you have to keep in mind that some people do it just to get you off your game. It's just one of the many 'psychological warfare' angles that racing brings to the table. Kinda like peeking down the inside into a turn to see how your competitor will react. If something has happened to justify getting 'flashed', certainly make a note to do better. Otherwise, they can ****-off.

I do find it really weird though — I’ve been on the controller all the time, kept headlight flashing to L3 at all the times, yet I don’t do this accidental flashing. I watch enough replays of myself to know this and therefore I wonder how on earth some are holding their controller when they keep flashing every other corner.

 

[xTWiZTED]

I do sympathise with people getting irritated by early-brakers and punters but sooner or later you realize you have adopt a safe driving style in these daily races. I started out by being overly aggressive and usually ended up screwing my race three turns in (because "one idiot applied the brakes too early") but I've recently approached these race with a "safety first" mentality and I always end up climbing a few positions during the race.

 

[Mercia]

I do sympathise with people getting irritated by early-brakers and punters but sooner or later you realize you have adopt a safe driving style in these daily races. I started out by being overly aggressive and usually ended up screwing my race three turns in (because "one idiot applied the brakes too early") but I've recently approached these race with a "safety first" mentality and I always end up climbing a few positions during the race.

The naivety is heartwarming.

Many here have been playing for years and there are many times we think we have the right attitude and way to play figured out to avoid getting angry, and then someone will come along and make you rage quit the console into the street from the highest window.

They will always, always come along, my friend, so I'm pleased to hear you have it figured out.. good luck.

 

[mellofello9]

I do find it really weird though — I’ve been on the controller all the time, kept headlight flashing to L3 at all the times, yet I don’t do this accidental flashing. I watch enough replays of myself to know this and therefore I wonder how on earth some are holding their controller when they keep flashing every other corner.

I think it comes down to variances in how we process situational stressors that cultivates differences in the manifestation of said stressors. Possibly the "some people clench their teeth, some people clench their hands" sort of thing that varies greatly from personality to personality. I was a bartender, though, not a psychologist.

EDIT: @astiik Welcome aboard, BTW!!! 👍

 

[xTWiZTED]

The naivety is heartwarming.

Many here have been playing for years and there are many times we think we have the right attitude and way to play figured out to avoid getting angry, and then someone will come along and make you rage quit the console into the street from the highest window.

They will always, always come along, my friend, so I'm pleased to hear you have it figured out.. good luck.

Yes, they will always come along, but as not as often. I'd rather be filled with rage in 1 race out of every 10 than 8 out of every 10.

 

[appu]

After last week's Race C at Le Mans, which catapulted me from perpetual mid-B to a personal best 88% DR-B, I was apprehensive about this week's Race C at Road Atlanta in the Radical.
I have had real-life commitments every time Road Atlanta came up in a World Series event, which means I have no Sport experience on this track (I almost never do Race B due to its short length). Moreover, I am not good with the Radical, as evidenced by a recent time trial. On top of it all, I don't use manual transmission.
To my surprise, I'm doing rather well this week. It's only the second time I'm using manual in a Sport event (the first time was during a fuel saver at Bathurst in Gr4). Initially, I made it easy for myself by sticking to just two gears almost all the time (4th and 6th), not counting the start. As I got more comfortable, I started using more gears. For the first time, I am considering buying Dualsense Edge as the normal Dualsense controller is a bit uncomfortable when using manual.
And I am liking this week's Race C. There are several reasons:

1. Grid start with false check!
2. The Radical is a hoot to drive! This is probably the closest to go-karting in a Sport event that PD has given us.
3. The manual transmission adds one more dimension of fun to the race. However, I'm unlikely to use manual again, as it often distracts me.
4. Road Atlanta actually turned out to be nice. I keep noticing that I don't like American tracks at first, but when I participate in Race C/World Series events on them, I end up liking them.
5. The Radical at Road Atlanta feels like the closest to real-life racing for me personally. I can't imagine myself driving a Group C or even a Gr3 car in real life. However, I can kinda imagine driving a Radical or something similar in real life. Additionally, the Radical at Road Atlanta totally feels like an easy-to-enter real-life event, similar to Miata cup events (no, I have not yet done a real-life racing event).

PD has been doing a good job lately in Race C after the bad week of all-fictional Daily Races (even though they halved last week's length). Keep it up, PD!

 

[astiik]

Yeah I don’t even know what that means. What happens directly behind you is almost as important as what happens directly in front of you. How else do you defend, or avoid being punted?

Anyway my racing style is conservative because to me the worst outcome of a race is when I know I made a mistake and ruined someone else’s race, especially if they had a chance at a really good finish. This attitude will limit me, I know, because at some point you need to start taking places away from people rather than just capitalizing on their mistakes, but I get a lot of enjoyment out of finishing 3rd or 4th in a good race and rarely will try to take 1st or 2nd if there is a considerable risk of disaster for me or someone else. That’s just my nature.

same thing, for me more important is a clean race and try to not ruin race for others.

I think it comes down to variances in how we process situational stressors that cultivates differences in the manifestation of said stressors. Possibly the "some people clench their teeth, some people clench their hands" sort of thing that varies greatly from personality to personality. I was a bartender, though, not a psychologist.

EDIT: @astiik Welcome aboard, BTW!!! 👍

thank you, glad to know that GT community more friendly than I think earlier 🎉

 

[Mercia]

same thing, for me more important is a clean race and try to not ruin race for others.

thank you, glad to know that GT community more friendly than I think earlier 🎉

Until you step out of line

 

[peniu]

I kinda wish DR was a lot harder to gain/lose, and SR was much easier.

DR is simply a match making device based on who winning/loosing lately. Not a ranking system. Unless im viewing it wrong. Anyway, it seems as if many perceive it as more of a rank and subsequently are willing to get dirty to preserve their precious ego’s. I also suspect that race A having gr. 3-4 etc races is a training ground for these jokers to perfect eluding the penalty system with their cheap shots…and im not sure how this gets fixed until sophy arrives. I kinda think it will be getting worse for another month or two with the movie. Sooo many jokers with ‘main-character syndrome.’ 🤦‍♂️

Ok, enough tears..just a little frustration stemming from getting cheap shotted every time i hit the B’s. I swear B is dirtier than C lately..

I tend to disagree with DR adjustment being slower. In fact I believe your very next sentence opposes that - daily races are different every week, so it needs to adjust for your performance in the specific race. I do not want to spend several races being a lot faster or slower than my rivals - I would rather see my DR rise/drop to get me closer to the pace I present on certain race. New accounts/players getting up to their true rank faster is another argument.

While I agree that DR serves mainly as the match making system in GT7 and PD decision to hide the points from us supports this take, it can also be viewed as sort of ranking. Similarly to how there is an ELO rating ranking on FIDE (chess federation) website. It is commonly used as ranking in this thread as well, to indicate progress and level of rivals. It also gives a sense of accomplishment to get a higher DR letter in GT7.

While on the DR topic, do we have a DR player distribution chart available for GT7? Would be interesting to see what the letters truly mean in terms of player base percentile. Example below for League of Legends.

 

[icycls]

@appu - I use the dualsense edge for manual driving. It's overpriced and you shoudl never spend money you need for other things, but it is nice for that purpose.I don't use it for many other games but I'm sure it useful in those as well.

I am typically an AT driver, but usually all road cars, occasional Gr.4 cars and fuel savers (ugh), I tend to MT. I woudl never have done that on the traditional button configuration.

 

[Mert160]

So what cars are you guys using in Grand Valley-South?

The WRX, seems to do the job, its a really dirty race though. Can't tell if its effective or not.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I am a little late on this but just wanted to pipe in on @GrumpyOldMan question to @TheNormsk
About why he isn't higher in DR than him.
I have never raced with any of you guys but just from your posts I can tell what it is.
It's attitude in racing. None of you are dirty but @GrumpyOldMan is clearly much more aggressive in his races. When I read your posts it's often "then some idiot ahead brakes too early" or "I passed him with a little contact but he initiated it".
While @TheNormsk is more "I couldn't make a safe pass as he was braking early ruining my exit"..
This translate firmly to finish position and that's the only thing affecting DR. Also, being willing to drop to SR A has the same effect.

Now I hope you understand I am not blaming any of you for anything here, just sharing my observations. I don't think any of you are doing anything wrong, it's just different from each other.
@GrumpyOldMan has the attitude of a high level pro racer while @TheNormsk has the attitude of a high level amateur racer.

I myself have the attitude of a lower level amateur racer

No offense taken, and it's a great theory, but it's wrong (about me, anyway). I am NOT usually aggressive when I drive. I'm constantly kicking myself for not being more so, because I can't get around people in front of me who are driving slower, for whatever reason.

Yes, I do post some posts that indicate I did some aggressive driving, but honestly, it's pretty rare - it only looks more frequent because I post about it.

The main indicator that I don't drive aggressively is the fact that the vast majority of times, the only way I finish in a better position than I started is when there's attrition. I almost never pass someone who hasn't crashed or otherwise slowed down due to a mishap.

Back to my posts: There's a reason my name is Grumpy Old Man. I spout off at the mouth a lot. But look at my avatar picture - that's the way I look most of the time. I'm passionate, but ultimately I'm a wimp with a wry smile.

With all that said, this is just my opinion of my driving. We're rarely good judges of ourselves, so I could be wrong.

We're used to that here across the pond. Then they go brown in the winter with the road salt.

LOL. I used to live in central state New York, where the winters were just like that. So I know what you mean.