GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[RacingGrandpa]

I would just say racing incident. It looks like braking points were incompatible between cars. Technically, he misjudge but perhaps your 'vette needs to brake earlier than his car so it's just one of those things.

I suspect a bi-product of BB. He might have had forwarded the brake balance while I run 2 to the rear.
But I'll never know.
Well well, onwards and upwards perhaps

 

[MetalApe]

Last night on my races, daily C was a push to pass fest.
A real nightmare.
Im tired of a move wich is gaining more and more adepts.
Im talking when in straight line you close the inside to legally defend your position and someone decides that put two wheels on the grass to force an inside gap that dont exist is something possible.
Im not a vengeful person but sometimes on that situations my first reaction is "Ok smart boy, lets end the race for the both of us" and squeeze him into the wall

Be careful before becoming that vengeful driver. As @GrumpyOldMan has reminded us a few times, check your replay and you'll often find an incident looks very different from a different perspective. Maybe you'll realise you were too late closing the door, and you forced a driver onto the grass after he had legitemately commited to the move.

 

[ILLEAGLE_34]

Again, there's an article posted to the front page (and into this thread) of GTPlanet with all the details every Monday morning. And a video.

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Gran Turismo 7 Daily Races: Setting Sun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gHEycni6sA A brand-new week means a brand-new set of Gran Turismo 7 Daily Races is now available, with three fresh events running over the next seven days. This week's events feature three of the game's real-world circuits, in Japan and the eastern part of the

www.gtplanet.net

My bad, I will definitely check that out next time. I do find it sorta weird to be told to go read an article when we are on a forum to discuss things with people. I was just trying to keep the/a conversation going with someone I’ve raced with before.
Isn’t this called the GT7 Daily Race Discussion? I’m going to have to read the TOS terms again. Thanks for your reply and article

 

[Famine]

My bad, I will definitely check that out next time. I do find it sorta weird to be told to go read an article when we are on a forum to discuss things with people. I was just trying to keep the/a conversation going with someone I’ve raced with before.
Isn’t this called the GT7 Daily Race Discussion? I’m going to have to read the TOS terms again. Thanks for your reply and article

The article also gets posted in the thread...

GT7 Daily Race Discussion

My lap at Deep Forest. Weak ABS employed, 10-10 Feedback strength, TGT steering wheel using standard pedals. That was smoking! And here I was thinking my 1:25.9 I got last night was good.

www.gtplanet.net

 

[Cherryturbo]

Be careful before becoming that vengeful driver. As @GrumpyOldMan has reminded us a few times, check your replay and you'll often find an incident looks very different from a different perspective. Maybe you'll realise you were too late closing the door, and you forced a driver onto the grass after he had legitemately commited to the move.

Fair comment if viewed retrospectively and lodged in “mellow” mode.

That said, I do agree that it is now far too common for people to try to “manufacture” gaps that aren’t there. It’s annoying in the extreme to me and if anyone tries it on me they will get encouraged to visit the nearest wall…….

If there isn’t room, THERE ISN‘T ROOM!

Try passing with skill, not blunt force……

 

[newmedia_dev]

Fair comment if viewed retrospectively and lodged in “mellow” mode.

That said, I do agree that it is now far too common for people to try to “manufacture” gaps that aren’t there. It’s annoying in the extreme to me and if anyone tries it on me they will get encouraged to visit the nearest wall…….

If there isn’t room, THERE ISN‘T ROOM!

Try passing with skill, not blunt force……

If you want an easier less stressful life, if they really are forcing the gap, open it up and then wait the 6 corners later when they have binned it.

It's taken a few thousand races for me to adjust to the natural habitat of the GT driver biscus - it's a wild beast with only one thing on its mind...

In all seriousness being PIT manoeuvred as they squeeze through is worse than giving up the place. Honestly it is.

 

[Childe Roland]

Be careful before becoming that vengeful driver. As @GrumpyOldMan has reminded us a few times, check your replay and you'll often find an incident looks very different from a different perspective. Maybe you'll realise you were too late closing the door, and you forced a driver onto the grass after he had legitemately commited to the move.

I didnt retaliate but just because I care about SR.

I always check the replays when Im involved in incidents and sometimes I found myself changing my mind about whose fault was.
Believe me that was not the case yesterday. Happened 3 times in 2 races and I decided it was enough "racing" for the day.

 

[mellofello9]

I would like someone to take a look at this 1 minute clip.
For me this is a clear cut racing incident. Maybe he thought so too but he quit immediately so I don't know.
I don't think he did anything wrong and I don't think I did anything wrong. We just misjudged each other
What do you think?

Another armchair opinion/confirmation...racing incident.

It looks like they expected you to swing a bit wider so when they tried to shoot alongside, they ended up grabbing the corner of your bumper. TBH, that whole thing played out exceptionally well. Everyone stopped, sorted, moved on. Not sure why they quit... 💩 happens.

As to the suspension tuning in B, I've not taken the time to see what impact the settings have. On paper, and given Suzuka is pretty smooth, there could by some speed to be found in stiffening things up a bit. Kerbs might get a bit more challenging but will report what I find, if anything.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I didnt retaliate but just because I care about SR.

For some perspective read what you wrote again.

The only reason you didn't retaliate was because of some games score. Yet you imply that if the score wasn't there you would have done something?

That is not how cars and real humans work on race tracks dude. "Retaliation" even the thought of it when you could maim or kill someone is not the right attitude to have. Game or no game. It's a game.

Yes it's frustrating, rage inducing in the moment but perspective has helped me move away from that and back to how I used to race in real life.

 

[TheNormsk]

As to the suspension tuning in B, I've not taken the time to see what impact the settings have. On paper, and given Suzuka is pretty smooth, there could by some speed to be found in stiffening things up a bit. Kerbs might get a bit more challenging but will report what I find, if anything.

I watched a couple of tuning guides for dampers. Based on those I tried a few laps with front and rear expansion maxed at 50 and rear compression at 30 and front compression at 35 (I wasn't keen on compression at 40 for front). I would not say I am faster but I was able to lap consistently within .2s of my QT time and I found the cornering to be more firm/controllable with less role/brake dive and if I did slide (this can produce a more slidy car which is not much of an issue with the 911) I found it to be more controllable with less chance to spin out.

I need to play with it more. I'd be interested on what others are doing with dampers.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Ran my second Race B today (we'll pretend yesterday's race didn't happen).

1) Started P4 in a DR B lobby. I'm driving the 911.

2) On the first lap, I punted someone on the hairpin. I don't think I braked too late, but I certainly did not leave enough room. My bad. He instantly quit, and is probably bad-mouthing me right now, which I deserve. Speaking of getting what I deserve, I got a 5 second penalty. No argument from me.

3) After serving the 5 second penalty, I was P9, which could have been worse.

4) Lap 2, first turn, 4 guys in front of me either took each other out, or they all followed each other off the track (been there done that).

5) P5 the rest of the race, and that's where I finished.

Not sure how I feel about the track this week. At least it's 5 laps not 4.

so I can jump into race B and leave everything at default and the car should still be competitive? DR B, short before A for the first time ever, don't wanna screw it up now :-)

Yes. Leaving everything default won't hurt you. Also, from experience, I can tell you that it you're concerned about losing DR because you're almost at A, you'll probably race like crap. At least, that's my excuse!

I would like someone to take a look at this 1 minute clip.
For me this is a clear cut racing incident. Maybe he thought so too but he quit immediately so I don't know.
I don't think he did anything wrong and I don't think I did anything wrong. We just misjudged each other
What do you think?

You didn't do anything wrong, so don't even sweat it. Even if your braking point was different than his, he's the one who hit you. Honestly, it's the beginning of the week, and it's hard to know how to react to every new thing thrown at us on this track. He made a mistake, and hopefully he learned from it.

 

[TheNormsk]

2) On the first lap, I punted someone on the hairpin. I don't think I braked too late, but I certainly did not leave enough room. My bad. He instantly quit, and is probably bad-mouthing me right now, which I deserve. Speaking of getting what I deserve, I got a 5 second penalty. No argument from me.

After my first race yesterday I had to readjust my braking expectations when following others. I found that I was either getting a lot of tow leading to a faster closing speed in the higher speed sections, or I was getting a loss of grip in the esses when in close formation.

Even when I thought I braked earlier than needed, sometimes I was taken by surprise - like into the hairpin. One time I narrowly missed the guy in front by going wide and then doing a V turn, only to be back along side. A deeper V turn (with a slower but tighter turn and then more acceleration out) actually does not lose you much time, if any, over the more traditional U turn.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I watched a couple of tuning guides for dampers. Based on those I tried a few laps with front and rear expansion maxed at 50 and rear compression at 30 and front compression at 35 (I wasn't keen on compression at 40 for front). I would not say I am faster but I was able to lap consistently within .2s of my QT time and I found the cornering to be more firm/controllable with less role/brake dive and if I did slide (this can produce a more slidy car which is not much of an issue with the 911) I found it to be more controllable with less chance to spin out.

I need to play with it more. I'd be interested on what others are doing with dampers.

All of the streamers I've watched with 1:59 or low 2:00 times didn't change anything.

So it appears for fast A+ and top A drivers it doesn't matter or is a placebo.

And when you think about it, most of our brake and throttle skills probably are the weak point not having a slightly harder or softer car when we are seconds off the top splits.

 

[TheNormsk]

All of the streamers I've watched with 1:59 or low 2:00 times didn't change anything.

So it appears for fast A+ and top A drivers it doesn't matter or is a placebo.

And when you think about it, most of our brake and throttle skills probably are the weak point not having a slightly harder or softer car when we are seconds off the top splits.

Figured as much. As I found I could not find anything that went faster, but changes did affect feel to a degree. If you are happy with stock then keep with it. I do think that some stiffening of rebound (perhaps not as much as 50) and a tightening of front compression may help with the left/right transition in the esses for stability but again it's not a speed thing, just feel.

I haven't gone softer yet but it is possible the reducing compression on front could help with grip and make hitting the curbs easier. Again, doubt it impacts speed to any degree that we would be good enough to notice.

 

[Childe Roland]

For some perspective read what you wrote again.

The only reason you didn't retaliate was because of some games score. Yet you imply that if the score wasn't there you would have done something?

That is not how cars and real humans work on race tracks dude. "Retaliation" even the thought of it when you could maim or kill someone is not the right attitude to have. Game or no game. It's a game.

Yes it's frustrating, rage inducing in the moment but perspective has helped me move away from that and back to how I used to race in real life.

I cant believe what Im reading.
So you really think that because I could have retaliated in a game Im some kind of psycho capable of doing that on real life?


Its a game and if someone isnt capable of respecting others just for the joy of ruining others experience, I can understand someone who takes action against it.
I really cant see correlation retaliating on a sim with someone doing the atrocities that you are mentioning on real life.

Its a game mate.
And yes, probably if there was no SR involved I could have retaliated because that was the first thought that crossed my mind.

Proud of it? not at all, but its just a game.

 

[mellofello9]

After my first race yesterday I had to readjust my braking expectations when following others. I found that I was either getting a lot of tow leading to a faster closing speed in the higher speed sections, or I was getting a loss of grip in the esses when in close formation.

Even when I thought I braked earlier than needed, sometimes I was taken by surprise - like into the hairpin. One time I narrowly missed the guy in front by going wide and then doing a V turn, only to be back along side. A deeper V turn (with a slower but tighter turn and then more acceleration out) actually does not lose you much time, if any, over the more traditional U turn.

One thing I really kinda liked about DT last week was how much I got to improve close-quarters driving. I used to be HORRIBLE at it, now I'm just horrible, lol. I saved a race where I finished P5 just because we got through the esses side-by-side and made it (almost) the whole way through the three brothers three wide...in the same race! Awesome stuff indeed.

So, poked at the dampers a bit and, like @newmedia_dev alluded to, the skillset to extract the extra performance it has on offer just isn't there, leaving me a bit slower than stock. I will say, though, shootin' out of the hairpin is a lot more controllable with the dampers cranked up. Keeps the car nice and flat and really does make for some awesome Hollywood-style exit shots...but it's not faster, just fun-er.

In the end, @TheNormsk, I'm just echoing a similar experience to what you had. I'm going back to stock because, it seems, the squish is helping to smooth-over some of my inadequacies and getting me around there just a bit quicker. This makes perfect sense given the bit of delay/compression/squish the softer settings offer chills-out choppy inputs just a tad. That's what I worked out in my brain, anyway.😁

 

[MrHatss]

or they all followed each other off the track (been there done that).

I do this a lot of time

in the last couple of days I've been trying the A race, Watkins - Jaguar mix...a strange one, but I have to tell you, I really like Watkins - not so much in this version but much more in the longer one that goes uphill...however I just needed to do some races without the DR-SR pain to relax and I'm having a lot of fun, only bad thing is that at the time when I play in the EU server there are only A-B drivers and for me is a tough call to survive...have to say that I expected a lot more bad fighting but it's in the average of the B-C-D lobby even without the SR

 

[Stilva]

An overall sloppy night of racing in my 3 entries tonight. Nothing dirty, it was just chaos out there. i didn't bother to try and improve my time as I jumped into the races.

Race 1 has me in P10 to start. I spin on the opening lap and that was it for that race. No one to blame but myself. Someone did a blatant dive bomb on the last lap in turn 1 as they hit me and shoved me off track. No need for that so far down the field. I finish P11 in this one.

Race 2 has me in P7 to start and while I didn't take myself out, I seemed to be behind some slower cars with no way to pass. Some nice racing actually once I got clear of them. I bump the rear of P7 twice on the final lap but slowed down to not take a spot. The last time was in the Casio Triangle and another car got mixed up in my mistake. But, they let me get P8 at the line for some reason. They had every right to pass me, no idea why that happened.

Race 3 had me in P10 to start and I had a great run up the field to P2. A car lost it in the Triangle and I had no idea how I didn't make any contact. I was in disbelief. Anyway, things were going great until P3 got on my inside going into Degner 1, they hit the curb and pushed me wide, which was unfortunate. They got by me clean so I can't be mad at a great move. So, instead of a top 3, I finish P5 which was much needed.

I do need to improve my qualifying time to get out of the middle pack mess in the beginning. This is still a good combo I think even though it's been done a bunch in the past. I just hope it's bit less chaotic in the upcoming days.

 

[TheNormsk]

Who’s suffering instability problems of Gran Turismo? I’ve just done two fantastic race Bs where the first race I came in second in a split A/B lobby, but mostly B. And the second race was was 50/50 A/B and I came in seventh after some fantastic battles with A rated drivers. I was up to fifth at one point and the driving was very clean.

But at the end of that as we are about to enter the finish lobby, Gran Turismo, it’s self crashes out. I’ve never experienced issues with lobbies ending or Gran Turismo crashing before this last update, which was supposedly to fix instability, and for me, it’s just got worse.

EDIT.

I was lucky. The game did record my finishing position and gave me a 3% boost even though I was 7th as I was racing against much higher rated A drivers. It never gave me the end screen showing the final result but the race had finished so it must recorded the results it as soon as the last car passed the line.

Curiously, racing against the A drivers was much more satisfying than the prior race that was mostly B. I was able to pass a couple of As (those that finished P4 and P6) in really clean overtakes which I was very proud of. But, then they managed to get the position back a lap or so later (some times with a bit of side bumping but nothing dirty - still what I would consider clean). It was fun! But also made my heart pound.

Then again, the prior race also gave me this:

Do that's also good.

 

[Dep Fishtail]

Who’s suffering instability problems of Gran Turismo? I’ve just done two fantastic race Bs where the first race I came in second in a split A/B lobby, but mostly B. And the second race was was 50/50 A/B and I came in seventh after some fantastic battles with A rated drivers. I was up to fifth at one point and the driving was very clean.

But at the end of that as we are about to enter the finish lobby, Gran Turismo, it’s self crashes out. I’ve never experienced issues with lobbies ending or Gran Turismo crashing before this last update, which was supposedly to fix instability, and for me, it’s just got worse.

Only time I’ve had anything weird lately was yesterday after a B race finish. In the after race lobby just before I hit exit, it popped the unexpected error message. No complete crash or anything like that.

 

[TheNormsk]

Only time I’ve had anything weird lately was yesterday after a B race finish. In the after race lobby just before I hit exit, it popped the unexpected error message. No complete crash or anything like that.

This last one was an error message saying "Something with Gran Turismo has gone wrong" or words to that effect. Then there was an option to upload a 1.1MB log to Sony which I clicked yes to. Immediately it shut down the game and I was in the PS menu.

 

[Kriptical]

I would like someone to take a look at this 1 minute clip.
For me this is a clear cut racing incident. Maybe he thought so too but he quit immediately so I don't know.
I don't think he did anything wrong and I don't think I did anything wrong. We just misjudged each other
What do you think?

to me that looks intentional, as in you were their push to pass, bumper object. He braked into the corner, aimed the car at you, then accelerated, only braking at the end. Turning back into you twice kinda cemented intention. I'd wager he quit because that red car blasted him to the moon, in what might be considered, a case of just deserts.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I cant believe what Im reading.
So you really think that because I could have retaliated in a game Im some kind of psycho capable of doing that on real life?


Its a game and if someone isnt capable of respecting others just for the joy of ruining others experience, I can understand someone who takes action against it.
I really cant see correlation retaliating on a sim with someone doing the atrocities that you are mentioning on real life.

Its a game mate.
And yes, probably if there was no SR involved I could have retaliated because that was the first thought that crossed my mind.

Proud of it? not at all, but its just a game.

No not at all, I didn't mean it to read as harsh as it did.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

to me that looks intentional, as in you were their push to pass, bumper object. He braked into the corner, aimed the car at you, then accelerated, only braking at the end. Turning back into you twice kinda cemented intention. I'd wager he quit because that red car blasted him to the moon, in what might be considered, a case of just deserts.

I was somewhat perplexed at that acceleration but I took it as if he thought I ran wide and he could pass on the inside then brakes as he realised I was just talking the double apex

 

[newmedia_dev]

This last one was an error message saying "Something with Gran Turismo has gone wrong" or words to that effect. Then there was an option to upload a 1.1MB log to Sony which I clicked yes to. Immediately it shut down the game and I was in the PS menu.

You might want to reinstall the game.

I had a similar issue a few months back and just reinstalled and by chance or because of the reinstall it resolved the issue

 

[Kriptical]

I was somewhat perplexed at that acceleration but I took it as if he thought I ran wide and he could pass on the inside then brakes as he realised I was just talking the double apex

Could their judgement really be that bad? I see someone trying to use their car as a cue ball foiled by the weight of the Vette.

 

[Mert160]

The damper tuning option for race B has made for a very interesting race this week, hopefully we see more races like it in the future.

 

[TheNormsk]

You might want to reinstall the game.

I had a similar issue a few months back and just reinstalled and by chance or because of the reinstall it resolved the issue

May be a good idea as I tried to do two more races. One completed but the second one said it was matching, while I was in QT which continued, then after some time, my QT froze and GT become unresponsive (but with corrupted sound) and only when I pressed the PS button did it exit back to the Sport selection screen. I'm hoping that didn't register me as a DNF...

Of the one race I did do, I now improved my QT into the 2:01.989 and I placed third as the fastest B in a split lobby.

On lap one I had a decent turn one but I was under pressure from P4 who bumped me a couple times as I was a little slower than P2 as I played a more cautious approach. That pressure I think ruffled me as I got got massive understeer on turn 7 which put my wheels on the grass setting me up for my final wipe out. An embarrassing one as well as I managed to get on track and then fumble myself back into the grass and the barrier like an idiot. Last place. I managed to end in P13 which gave me a -3% DR drop wiping out my prior race but I am still up for the day.

I like my new QT. I think that will set me up decently well for the rest of the week, especially if I am to be in more of these split lobbies. I did end up doing brake bias and damper tuning. I tested back to back against stock and various tunes and my final tuning I am faster by about .5s. That might remain a secret though.

As to my embarrassment, well you can see it in all its glory in three views..

 

[s0cks]

Gosh, I've just come back to GT7 after almost a year. Rank C, I used to be Rank B and would sometimes get to A only to go down again. Looks like I'm 2 secs off the pace if I want to be back in rank B for Suzuka. Yikes. Forget how unforgiving this game is lol. Well, at least I've won both Race B and Race C in my Rank C lobbies this week so far. As usual, starting near or at the front is a hella lot easier.

 

[Jowsif]

Can anyone help me with what the top GR.3 race cars for Suzuka are? My qualy time is with the BRZ, but I’m getting eaten up on the straights atm.