GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Akers]

Nothing wrong with DR C!
Nice to have another here from my neck of the woods.

Cheers!
I wanted to move up through the categories (and still hope to do so), as I'd hoped the standards around driving etiquette would improve, but reading the posts I'm not sure it does. Compared to the real world circuit environment, where 'you bend it you mend it', the types of overtaking manoeuvre pulled (and I use the term loosely) in Sport races would earn you a black flag pretty quick.

Speaking of super sweaty races like Race B this week. This will probably sound stupid but I have to ask because I am curious.
Lets say you start top 5 and the guys in front of you have a bit of a fight right from the green light and get a bit out of shape around some corners and you have to brake a bit earlier etc. to no cause chaos. And because of that the guys behind you get super impatient. Do you force the issue and play super aggressive? I never know what to do in those situations. I normally cut the guys some slack but you just get eaten by the guys behind you because they only see the car in front of them (you) and not what is going on further up and why you are not 110% through every corner. Often times you lose 2, 3 or more places because of that.

This is happening over and over this week and I agree the race format is to blame. It's only 4 laps and people already have no patience to begin with.

Same. For every good race I have, where the racing is clean and I can move through the field, there will be another 2 where I get punted into the wall/gravel on the first lap or side swiped by some loon. Sadly it only takes a small element within a community to introduce such tactics, before others who would rather race clean adopt similar strategies, in a 'kill or be killed' mindset.
I'm slowly adapting to the more aggressive style, still trying to avoid contact with other cars myself, but becoming more savvy when it comes to awareness of other drivers intentions and keeping more of an eye on the mirrors.

 

[MetalApe]

Speaking of super sweaty races like Race B this week. This will probably sound stupid but I have to ask because I am curious.
Lets say you start top 5 and the guys in front of you have a bit of a fight right from the green light and get a bit out of shape around some corners and you have to brake a bit earlier etc. to no cause chaos. And because of that the guys behind you get super impatient. Do you force the issue and play super aggressive? I never know what to do in those situations. I normally cut the guys some slack but you just get eaten by the guys behind you because they only see the car in front of them (you) and not what is going on further up and why you are not 110% through every corner. Often times you lose 2, 3 or more places because of that.

This is happening over and over this week and I agree the race format is to blame. It's only 4 laps and people already have no patience to begin with.

That's a scenario I hate, there's no easy answer. I generally go for guarding my position, while looking to pick up the pieces and take advantage of any chances that come your way while the drivers in front are squabbling for position.

To any drivers at the front of the field with a clear track in front, who then choose to drive slow defensive lines. You folks are asking for trouble, you may be quite within your rights to make legitimate defensive moves. But you're creating a pack of impatient pissed off drivers behind you, so expect to feel the consequences.

My attitude when I've got a clear track in front is to just drive as fast as I can. If someone can pass me under those circumstances, then good for them, you've outpaced me and earned the spot. By driving as fast as I can, when I can, I should hopefully be pulling away from the rest of the pack, and certainly clear of any drivers further back slowing themselves down fighting for position.

 

[OJBrit]

the types of overtaking manoeuvre pulled (and I use the term loosely) in Sport races would earn you a black flag pretty quick.

Unless your surname is Verstappen.

 

[Fezzik]

Cheers!
I wanted to move up through the categories (and still hope to do so), as I'd hoped the standards around driving etiquette would improve, but reading the posts I'm not sure it does

I find it's not so much the DR level that affects the standards but the length of race. These short sprint race Bs are quite often horrible, filled with divebombers who have no concentration and can't stay on track for more than 5 laps. The longer race Cs and GTWS events are better simply because people can exercise even a tiny bit of patience. I mostly don't even bother with the dailies anymore unless it's something like this week's C at Deep Forest. Oh for a proper endurance race D - 1 slot per hour, some fuel or tyre strategy, a bit of variable weather.

 

[sturk0167]

Speaking of super sweaty races like Race B this week. This will probably sound stupid but I have to ask because I am curious.
Lets say you start top 5 and the guys in front of you have a bit of a fight right from the green light and get a bit out of shape around some corners and you have to brake a bit earlier etc. to no cause chaos. And because of that the guys behind you get super impatient. Do you force the issue and play super aggressive? I never know what to do in those situations. I normally cut the guys some slack but you just get eaten by the guys behind you because they only see the car in front of them (you) and not what is going on further up and why you are not 110% through every corner. Often times you lose 2, 3 or more places because of that.

This is happening over and over this week and I agree the race format is to blame. It's only 4 laps and people already have no patience to begin with.

That's always a tough situation.
Whenever I decide to back off and cut the cars in front of me some slack, I get shoved out of the way by the cars behind me.
I think if the cars behind you are close, you have to push forward and be aggressive out of self-preservation.
If there's a decent gap behind you, then you can get away with being courteous to the car(s) in front of you.

Unfortunately, it's usually a nice guys finish last situation.

 

[Celico]

For those who didn't see this video (thanks, @newmedia_dev):

Funny thing happened. I watched that video, used that car for the first time and won my first race this week.

Unfortunately, it's usually a nice guys finish last situation.

So true.

 

[NvrTheSamecar]

Been having a blast in daily C this week. Something about GR2 really suits my driving style. Had an extremely fun race last night that ended with a very dramatic finish. But I squeezed past the leader after he made a small mistake near the tunnel, and from my vantage point was a very clean pass. They clearly didn't agree, as I was completely obliterated in the following 180.

This one was confusing to me, we had ran the entire race together and ran each other extremely close but overall very clean. Did I do anything wrong here?



Ended up loosing the lead as all the damage had to clear. But what followed was an insane last lap that highlights what keeps drawing me back into this game. Much respect to SHONO as he did everything right to guard against the crossover and could have easily shoved me in the grass and killed my momentum. But he didn't and we finished 1-2 with a .013 finish. Unreal fun.

 

[Fezzik]

What's that Audi doing in a Merc one-make?

 

[newmedia_dev]

What's that Audi doing in a Merc one-make?

Obviously it's the safety car

 

[brockie]

I had a bit more luck this lunch, tried the BM endurance (not sure the difference with the sprint?) took a tenth off my time, started P5, ended up P3 so pleased with that.

Couple of Porsches ahead of me so kept in touch with but the leader was just peeling away lap by lap and you need to make your moves by lap 2 or you’re probably sticking where you’re at.

Need to try that Mazda vision at some point but looking good for the weekend

 

[bone_tone]

I had a bit more luck this lunch, tried the BM endurance (not sure the difference with the sprint?) took a tenth off my time, started P5, ended up P3 so pleased with that.

Couple of Porsches ahead of me so kept in touch with but the leader was just peeling away lap by lap and you need to make your moves by lap 2 or you’re probably sticking where you’re at.

Need to try that Mazda vision at some point but looking good for the weekend

I can't get speed out of either of the BMWs, 1 second slower than my 911 time. The Mazda has come the closest to my 911 time, but it plays havoc with my hearing aids 😆

Yesterday, every race I ran was won by the AMG, so I tried that - first 3 places were filled by 911s......

Switched back to the 911, and got my own P3 in a Porsche 1 2 3 🙂 (all Brits too)

Every race I entered this afternoon was won by a 911 - having fallen down the DR ratings a bit, looks like other drivers are struggling with the Beemer too!

A lot of very suspect driving in Race B this week though - don't remember it being this bad at WG before.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Speaking of super sweaty races like Race B this week. This will probably sound stupid but I have to ask because I am curious.
Lets say you start top 5 and the guys in front of you have a bit of a fight right from the green light and get a bit out of shape around some corners and you have to brake a bit earlier etc. to no cause chaos. And because of that the guys behind you get super impatient. Do you force the issue and play super aggressive? I never know what to do in those situations. I normally cut the guys some slack but you just get eaten by the guys behind you because they only see the car in front of them (you) and not what is going on further up and why you are not 110% through every corner. Often times you lose 2, 3 or more places because of that.

This is happening over and over this week and I agree the race format is to blame. It's only 4 laps and people already have no patience to begin with.

I agree with the others on this - that I hate when this happens! It happened to me multiple times last week. I still don't know the answer - I just usually chalk it up to bad luck.

 

[mellofello9]

Been having a blast in daily C this week. Something about GR2 really suits my driving style. Had an extremely fun race last night that ended with a very dramatic finish. But I squeezed past the leader after he made a small mistake near the tunnel, and from my vantage point was a very clean pass. They clearly didn't agree, as I was completely obliterated in the following 180.

This one was confusing to me, we had ran the entire race together and ran each other extremely close but overall very clean. Did I do anything wrong here?



Ended up loosing the lead as all the damage had to clear. But what followed was an insane last lap that highlights what keeps drawing me back into this game. Much respect to SHONO as he did everything right to guard against the crossover and could have easily shoved me in the grass and killed my momentum. But he didn't and we finished 1-2 with a .013 finish. Unreal fun.



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Selfish bugger, aren't you...what'd you think was gonna happen on a clean pass????😁

LOLOL...can't see where you did ANYTHING wrong. Kinda feels like one of those drivers that simply cannot tolerate anyone driving around them. You were, obviously, to slow down to bask in their greatness instead of 'rearviewmirroring' them. Could be wrong, maybe another angle will show something egregious, but I doubt it.

Car didn't shudder as if there was impact, nor was there the accompanying sound...u good.👍

 

[MetalApe]

Been having a blast in daily C this week. Something about GR2 really suits my driving style. Had an extremely fun race last night that ended with a very dramatic finish. But I squeezed past the leader after he made a small mistake near the tunnel, and from my vantage point was a very clean pass. They clearly didn't agree, as I was completely obliterated in the following 180.

This one was confusing to me, we had ran the entire race together and ran each other extremely close but overall very clean. Did I do anything wrong here?



Ended up loosing the lead as all the damage had to clear. But what followed was an insane last lap that highlights what keeps drawing me back into this game. Much respect to SHONO as he did everything right to guard against the crossover and could have easily shoved me in the grass and killed my momentum. But he didn't and we finished 1-2 with a .013 finish. Unreal fun.



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If you watch the track map, it looks you were an innocent victim of a fight for 2nd place that went wrong. I don't think he was targetting you.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I agree with the others on this - that I hate when this happens! It happened to me multiple times last week. I still don't know the answer - I just usually chalk it up to bad luck.

Agreed, there isn't much you can do. A lot of people have their fixed braking markers so struggle to react or anticipate and it creates this accordion effect. Much like a pile up on a motorway/highway.

Some people back off, others just have tunnel vision for an opportunity.

What they don't realise is they are trying to race full on in to some sort of drama/accident/incident...

 

[NvrTheSamecar]

If you watch the track map, it looks you were an innocent victim of a fight for 2nd place that went wrong. I don't think he was targetting you.

I wondered the same thing, but watch it from their viewpoint - never lifted.

 

[brockie]

I can't get speed out of either of the BMWs, 1 second slower than my 911 time. The Mazda has come the closest to my 911 time, but it plays havoc with my hearing aids 😆

Yesterday, every race I ran was won by the AMG, so I tried that - first 3 places were filled by 911s......

Switched back to the 911, and got my own P3 in a Porsche 1 2 3 🙂 (all Brits too)

Every race I entered this afternoon was won by a 911 - having fallen down the DR ratings a bit, looks like other drivers are struggling with the Beemer too!

A lot of very suspect driving in Race B this week though - don't remember it being this bad at WG before.

Yeah I think secretly it just conspires against us! 😝 but I watched this vid which Glen put up about the Mazda and it made sense. I couldn’t keep up with the BM and Mazda in the Porsche and feel I can more out of the BM

I just need to get into the 1.45s and I reckon the weekend will be top 6 poss at BB - which is my main goal, hopefully with some early morning wins 👍🏻

Happy hunting out there

Speaking of super sweaty races like Race B this week. This will probably sound stupid but I have to ask because I am curious.
Lets say you start top 5 and the guys in front of you have a bit of a fight right from the green light and get a bit out of shape around some corners and you have to brake a bit earlier etc. to no cause chaos. And because of that the guys behind you get super impatient. Do you force the issue and play super aggressive? I never know what to do in those situations. I normally cut the guys some slack but you just get eaten by the guys behind you because they only see the car in front of them (you) and not what is going on further up and why you are not 110% through every corner. Often times you lose 2, 3 or more places because of that.

This is happening over and over this week and I agree the race format is to blame. It's only 4 laps and people already have no patience to begin with.

I think every situation is different and I don’t mind falling back a few places if they can be gained back, but I’m not diving in either and making enemies for no reason 😝

But it is race B and there isn’t the time to think too much, fortune favours the opportunist? Or something 😉

 

[newmedia_dev]

I thoroughly regret qualifying for B this week.

My consistency is a little off because I'm pushing too hard first lap, and quite frankly if I'm last of the late breakers to hit a low 45 or 44 time I'm very very very shocked to see the guy who started in 8th steaming up the inside of me.

I just don't get the mentality sometimes of some drivers. I raced with a well known guy who was absolutely clean as a whistle and showed great race pace and craft.

It's everyone else that was absolutely bloody awful. Admittedly my mood changed after binning it 2 times from pole at the bustop exit.

The thing I often wonder about, is the reason I'm on pole in these races is because I know the line. Where they are 1s back clearly they don't, and if they do aren't bothered about driving it and putting in a better time.

So that leads me to wonder. What is the absolute point of TT qualifying? It favours those who (and I include myself, will grind out laps) vs those who do a few laps and will "make up places" in a race.

I don't know which approach is right or wrong but it's definitely a split camp on it.

 

[tankuroded]

Looks like GT's social media crew are aware of Race B's meta:


(and of course the replies be "m4 gt3 wen?")

 

[newmedia_dev]

Looks like GT's social media crew are aware of Race B's meta:


(and of course the replies be "m4 gt3 wen?")

This is starting to do me now.

Its one thing to feature product placement, I get the commercial reasons and that's fine but do it as a campaign, do it as a weekly TT but to throw it in our faces that we must drive the meta's which we made if you want to be at the sharp end is quite galling.

Grrrrrrrrr calm Glen, calm. It's just a game. Just a game.

 

[TheNormsk]

Hi All, mind if I join the party?
Used to spend way too much time on GT (v1-4)a long time ago, then being adult got in the way for a while. Fast forward 16 years and we got our kids a PS5 a while back. I resisted for a while, until the boy wanted a driving sim. Next thing I know I've dug my old sim-rig out, bought a wheel and am spending way too much time racing online (wasn't a thing on the early versions).
Hope to see some of you in the lobbies, though I'm currently struggling to get out of Driving Cat C!

Welcome to the party. I grew up with GT1 through 3, then getting married and babies got in the way (that boring adult stuff) but found time for GT5. Then stopped for a decade... Just last year I got back into it with GT7 after one of my kids got a PS5 (which I now pretty much use 97% of the time .

I was in your shoes to begin with in DR D and DR C for a bit. I felt tremendously accomplished when I moved to DR B. Now I'm DR A but bouncing around is not uncommon.

What I've found is that it does not matter what DR you have or even where you are on the grid. What matters is the racing between you and the car in front and the car behind. Some of my best races were not in top spots but down the grid with drivers of similar performance who also put care of driving above out and out winning. Those are the best times.

Cheers!
I wanted to move up through the categories (and still hope to do so), as I'd hoped the standards around driving etiquette would improve, but reading the posts I'm not sure it does.

I find time of day and week affects race quality much more than DR category. DR D and DR C less so as there is more inexperience so the quality is less but DR B, A and A+ all have quality drivers that know what they're doing and dirty/aggressive drivers that want to "win" at all costs. Some sessions you're be lucky with the lobby pick and others not so much. Typically, middle of the work day, early in the week is cleanest, and end of the week and especially Friday and Saturday nights are the worse.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I may not do not drive Watkins Glen very well, but as I said before I love the track. And one of the things I love about it is there's plenty of room to go side-by-side in a LOT of places, and do it cleanly (if everyone cooperates). The fact that some people don't cooperate doesn't detract from the track itself being a really good track.

I just wish I had the skills to navigate the bus stop better. And the rest of the course, too, for that matter.

A lot of people have their fixed braking markers

This is one of the reasons I like using the braking areas assist - they adjust for your speed. I don't expect the start of the braking area to be correct, but I know that I need to start a few bars in, or whatever, so it really helps during unexpected situations, as well as when I find myself starting at pole when all the other times I started in the back of the pack.

I don't expect many people to suddenly turn on braking areas just because I mention this, by the way. Just making conversation.

 

[MrJones 78]

Seems I’m the only one driving the Aston Martin but we’ll, brought me to DR B this week in daily race B 🥴

 

[TheNormsk]

I just wish I had the skills to navigate the bus stop better. And the rest of the course, too, for that matter.

I've not had any time to race this week but the little time I had on Monday, the Mercedes-AMG goes through the bus stop really well. Not sure how it would hold its own in a race mind you...

 

[OJBrit]

I wondered the same thing, but watch it from their viewpoint - never lifted.

What a baby. They have no place on a racetrack.

 

[Akers]

Welcome to the party. I grew up with GT1 through 3, then getting married and babies got in the way (that boring adult stuff) but found time for GT5. Then stopped for a decade... Just last year I got back into it with GT7 after one of my kids got a PS5 (which I now pretty much use 97% of the time .

I was in your shoes to begin with in DR D and DR C for a bit. I felt tremendously accomplished when I moved to DR B. Now I'm DR A but bouncing around is not uncommon.

What I've found is that it does not matter what DR you have or even where you are on the grid. What matters is the racing between you and the car in front and the car behind. Some of my best races were not in top spots but down the grid with drivers of similar performance who also put care of driving above out and out winning. Those are the best times.



I find time of day and week affects race quality much more than DR category. DR D and DR C less so as there is more inexperience so the quality is less but DR B, A and A+ all have quality drivers that know what they're doing and dirty/aggressive drivers that want to "win" at all costs. Some sessions you're be lucky with the lobby pick and others not so much. Typically, middle of the work day, early in the week is cleanest, and end of the week and especially Friday and Saturday nights are the worse.

Thanks for the welcome. Sounds like it might be a common story!
I totally agree regarding the racing, if you find yourself in a tight battle with a couple of other drivers who are happy to fight hard but keep it clean, it doesn’t matter where you are in the pack, it’s just great fun.

I’ve found time for 3 races today, I’ve managed to avoid getting speared, so maybe I’m starting to get a feel for hanging in a pack.

What I’m struggling with is finding true speed. I’m improving steadily, smooth and controlled, but I can’t get near that edge of the envelope, where you are right at the limits of the track, and adhesion of the tyres, that gets lap times down. Also my throttle and brake inputs are still quite digital, either on off, particularly braking.
I need to find more time to practice!

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Seems I’m the only one driving the Aston Martin but we’ll, brought me to DR B this week in daily race B 🥴

I've always loved the V12, but it just doesn't seem fast enough on the straights. Maybe I'm wrong.

the Mercedes-AMG goes through the bus stop really well

Yes it does, but not with me driving it.

EDIT: Improved my time to 1:45.389. Only to have some mofo divebomb me at the bus stop. It's remotely possible he didn't realize we all needed to slow down for the people in front, but only if he was looking at his phone while driving. Way to ruin someone's race, and take the joy out of the moment.

 

[Stilva]

No improvement to my time for Watkins Glen. I came close, but pesky off track penalties were the bane of my existence.

My first race had me in P2 to start. And that's where I finished as P1 was quick and P3 was never a threat at any point. A fantastic confidence boost after that one.

Race 2 put me on pole! I do not understand why drivers insist on going 2 wide in the bus stop. It happened twice in my battle with P2. Fortunately we both survived and carried on. Our battle had us exchanging spots and I came out victorious in the end! They said I did something cheap to win. I didn't see anything outside of normal corner defending in the replay. So, no idea what that was about.

My final race has me in P9 in a big boy mostly A rank lobby. I almost as well as a few others almost lost it in the bus stop on turn 1, but we all make it and continue on. I'm gifted a few spots as some front runners get tangled and spin. Lap 2, I'm in an awkward spot as I had to take the final turn way on the inside and that cost me 2 spots to P7 where I finish. I was just out of reach of contending for P5 and P6, but we all had a nice little train going.

I FINALLY got my 10th win in GT7. It might not be a lot for others, but I'm just glad to get that off of my back so to say. A much better night of racing obviously for me. I had a blast a racing on my "home" track and can't wait to get back at it again. I do need to find a Rexy racing suit and helmet to match the car

 

[sturk0167]

No improvement to my time for Watkins Glen. I came close, but pesky off track penalties were the bane of my existence.

My first race had me in P2 to start. And that's where I finished as P1 was quick and P3 was never a threat at any point. A fantastic confidence boost after that one.

Race 2 put me on pole! I do not understand why drivers insist on going 2 wide in the bus stop. It happened twice in my battle with P2. Fortunately we both survived and carried on. Our battle had us exchanging spots and I came out victorious in the end! They said I did something cheap to win. I didn't see anything outside of normal corner defending in the replay. So, no idea what that was about.

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My final race has me in P9 in a big boy mostly A rank lobby. I almost as well as a few others almost lost it in the bus stop on turn 1, but we all make it and continue on. I'm gifted a few spots as some front runners get tangled and spin. Lap 2, I'm in an awkward spot as I had to take the final turn way on the inside and that cost me 2 spots to P7 where I finish. I was just out of reach of contending for P5 and P6, but we all had a nice little train going.

I FINALLY got my 10th win in GT7. It might not be a lot for others, but I'm just glad to get that off of my back so to say. A much better night of racing obviously for me. I had a blast a racing on my "home" track and can't wait to get back at it again. I do need to find a Rexy racing suit and helmet to match the car

 

[Stilva]