GT7 has failed to be Gran Turismo

[Com Fox]

It's almost like there was a reason the early games had Arcade Mode and GT Mode.

Remember when GT3 Arcade Mode was almost a separate game from GT Mode. Just a simple linear progression anyone can understand.

As a little kid who didn't understand much about economics so I got stuck in GT Mode. Arcade Mode kept me playing GT3 and what still got me to the series.

Shame that if that was PD goal of an easy experience for new players, that they already got it at a right balance before

 

[Samus]

After completing the menu book there ARE PLENTY of events across the continents to sink your teeth into giving you a wide selection of cars to race with. Personally, I am loving it. The only thing letting this game down is the awful music selection.

Plenty? Hardly, unless you have access to some not in the linked thread. There are less events than GTS, never mind the older games.

 

[OldSilentHill]

I love it when people quote percentages of things (and one to 2 decimal places!!!) they couldn't possible know, or back up with actual evidence.

FWIW, GT4 had ten times the single player content, as shown by the completionist stat from how long to beat, 30 hrs vs 300 hrs, so no, it's a LOOONNNGGG way from GT4.

Completionist is just a label and the game has just started. GT4 was meant to be done as it was to last forever. I really can't understand this attitude in 2022, barely 2 weeks from release and knowing Polyphony will release content every month for free. It's just childish.

 

[OldSilentHill]

A game so huge I beat it in a day lol

Now go out there and collect 200 hs of online competition. Or were you the only person in the forum not complaining about the IA?

Completionist is just a label and the game has just started. GT4 was meant to be done as it was to last forever. I really can't understand this attitude in 2022, barely 2 weeks from release and knowing Polyphony will release content every month for free. It's just childish.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Completionist is just a label and the game has just started. GT4 was meant to be done as it was to last forever. I really can't understand this attitude in 2022, barely 2 weeks from release and knowing Polyphony will release content every month for free. It's just childish.

It's content that should've been there on release. The game is empty as it is now. There's no reason we should be happy that they sold us a 20% complete game, just because they promised to add more later.

 

[OldSilentHill]

So, how is online racing supposed to make up for lack of offline single player content? Or are they just interchangeable now? I'd love to see what you do when MCD gets your order totally wrong.

Even one bug preventing the completion of a challenge is one too much. It gets frustrating. There are bugs, and there are BUGS that prevent progression. As far as I'm concerned GT7 is worse than Cyberpunk 2077 was, as I was able to complete the latter without getting bogged down by challenges where an RND might prevent you from competing them.

Oh, yes blame the players. While completely ignoring the fact that the game is deliberately made less enjoyable to 99.95% of players (yeah I can pull numbers from my anus too).

No, they cut off all paths, besides the one boring beaten path of following the menu books like a poodle. The point of GT was always the path, not the goal. That's what gave it tremendous replayability. What relpayability GT7 has? Zero, you are not even allowed to start a new game.

Yeah, get one complaint out of context and act as if the entire disappointment hinges on that. If these were the only issues I'd be happily playing the game. As it stands I already packed up my racing rig. I jus have to wait for them to fix it. Or if they don't, this was my last Gran Turismo game, and the last $ they ever saw from me.

Oh and calling everything BS does not make your points seem more valid, au contraire.

Completionist is just a label and the game has just started. GT4 was meant to be done as it was to last forever. I really can't understand this attitude in 2022, barely 2 weeks from release and knowing Polyphony will release content every month for free. It's just childish.

 

[OldSilentHill]

It's content that should've been there on release. The game is empty as it is now. There's no reason we should be happy that they sold us a 20% complete game, just because they promised to add more later.

Right GT7 is an empty racing game, sure 🤣

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Right GT7 is an empty racing game, sure 🤣

Yes.

 

[OldSilentHill]

Yes.

So what's a complete game nowdays then?

 

[AutumnalGlow]

So what's a complete game nowdays then?

One that maybe ships with as much content as its version from nearly 20 years ago, for starters.

 

[KevinHeryanto]

I liked GT7 linear progression (cafe). Sure it may not be as open as the previous games but its something different than the other ones. the only problem i have is that theres need to be more cafe menus.

I still dont know why they cut the menus from 59 to 39. Seems like the classic PD move to make the game shorter

 

[OldSilentHill]

One that maybe ships with as much content as its version from nearly 20 years ago, for starters.

So, are you telling me you've got the 424 cars already?

 

[Samus]

Completionist is just a label and the game has just started. GT4 was meant to be done as it was to last forever. I really can't understand this attitude in 2022, barely 2 weeks from release and knowing Polyphony will release content every month for free. It's just childish.

When did they announce that then? They vaguely said there will be more content, they didn't say when or how often.

Why isn't GT7 meant to last forever from day 1, by the way? Why do we have to wait for updates? They've had just as long to create events as they did GT4, longer in fact.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

So, are you telling me you've got the 424 cars already?

No, and at the rate this game pays outside of Fishermans Ranch, I never will.

I won't be grinding for all of the cars because they've made it so incredibly boring with so little to do that can pay for it.

 

[OldSilentHill]

When did they announce that then? They vaguely said there will be more content, they didn't say when or how often.

Why isn't GT7 meant to last forever from day 1, by the way? Why do we have to wait for updates? They've had just as long to create events as they did GT4, longer in fact.

Because that's how the industry works now, accept it, embrace it and enjoy it. GT4 is my favourite GT as well, online aspect aside, but that's another era.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

accept it, embrace it and enjoy it.

No.

 

[OldSilentHill]

No, and at the rate this game pays outside of Fishermans Ranch, I never will.

I won't be grinding for all of the cars because they've made it so incredibly boring with so little to do that can pay for it.

You have Gr3 events paying some good amount with nice difficulty. Can't get how is the game boring with the online races (dailys and lobbies).

 

[AutumnalGlow]

You have Gr3 events paying some good amount with nice difficulty. Can't get how is the game boring with the online games (dailys and lobbies).

Not many Gr.3 events, they'll get old long before I can afford all of the cars.
Online doesn't pay much either, and I prefer a nice singleplayer career mode like the old GT games anyway. That's what I expected coming into a game that was meant to be returning to its roots.

 

[Ryan81]

You have Gr3 events paying some good amount with nice difficulty. Can't get how is the game boring with the online races (dailys and lobbies).

Not to mention the fact that you can create a pretty much infinite number of custom races.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Not to mention the fact that you can create a pretty much infinite number of custom races.

Which pays even less than anything else in the career mode, and feels meaningless. There's nothing to show for it after beyond the tiny amount of credits you get.

 

[OldSilentHill]

Not many Gr.3 events, they'll get old long before I can afford all of the cars.
Online doesn't pay much either, and I prefer a nice singleplayer career mode like the old GT games anyway. That's what I expected coming into a game that was meant to be returning to its roots.

Cars cost time, effort and money. And sometimes that process is not fun.

Therefore welcome also to the Real Paying Simulator.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Cars cost time, effort and money. And sometimes that process is not fun.

Therefore welcome also to the Real Paying Simulator.

Okay, but this is a video game, not a job. It should be fun. Like the old ones.

 

[Tomek90]

When i started at launch i expected i'd have to grind CR to buy cafe menu cars because i saw them in used cars section, did 3 races and got all 3 of em for free -_- it just speeded up the progression

 

[Cayit]

Soon we will be getting for sure B-Spec, Seasonal Events etc...

 

[Cayit]

Single player is too short, incomplete and repetitive, i fired up gt3 today and was overwhelmed by how many races was there and how it was neatly organized in each menu and not all over the place
Also

Good for you...Go on and play GT3 !!! Don't bother with GT7!

 

[pgzzz]

I really like this new game, it's called Fisherman's Ranch 7.

I've been playing Special Stage Route X 7 as well.

 

[Samus]

Cars cost time, effort and money. And sometimes that process is not fun.

Therefore welcome also to the Real Paying Simulator.

Games are not supposed to be fun?

Well then. Not really sure there is anywhere left to go for those defending the game.

 

[CarreraGT]

By virtue of being a Sony first party title. Yet would you consider GT5 and 6 to be fantastic titles? GT Sport?

I sure wouldn't, for all three. Nor GT7.



I wonder why then a good chunk of the player base of GT jumped ship to Forza during the 7th generation. Surely because Polyphony were busy making their own unique games that ran like garbage, rehashed mostly uprezzed PS2 models in order to pad out the car list, and promptly stopped bothering with making AI actually good during racing in order to present the most realistic, life like car models that had to be scrapped anyway one generation later because they weren't good enough.

That definitely worked out well for them, instead of leading them here directly and indirectly.



Not everything is about graphical prowess and know how.

GT6 and GT Sport were great. GT5 not so much

 

[CarreraGT]

We're not even talking about what I think. We're taking about you thinking your opinions are fact and anyone who doesn't share your views is just whining.

It's perfectly valid for someone to be of the opinion that 424 isn't a solid number for Gran Turismo, they would presumably hold the same opinion about GT3 and GTS. Other games aren't relevant to what someone thinks a GT game should be.

What you think is even less relevant 😂 Get over yourself. Or make your own video game and show PD how it's done

 

[RikkiGT-R]

Not to mention the fact that you can create a pretty much infinite number of custom races.

Which pays even less than anything else in the career mode, and feels meaningless. There's nothing to show for it after beyond the tiny amount of credits you get.

Here’s a custom race I set up last night on GT Sport…

5 laps around Le Mans netting me 72k.
Now go set up a 5-lap custom race in GT7, you wouldn’t even get 1/4 that payout.

PD have given us custom races, then slapped us in the face at the same time.