GT7 has failed to be Gran Turismo

[CarreraGT]

Not many Gr.3 events, they'll get old long before I can afford all of the cars.
Online doesn't pay much either, and I prefer a nice singleplayer career mode like the old GT games anyway. That's what I expected coming into a game that was meant to be returning to its roots.

Cheer up buddy, it's just a game. Go outside and enjoy the sunshine

 

[SuperSportX]

Fixing the event payouts and adding the same/exact events from GTS alone would fix the game quite alot I think.

Even though the second option is a lazy one GT Sport actually had quite a few varied and unique events that GT7 is lacking. We don't even have any Gr.1 or Gr.2 evens and the custom races payout so little they aren't even worth it unless you just want to race against the cars in your garage.

5 Laps at sarthe only pays around 5k when it really should pay atleast $50-70k.

These events alone would help GT7 quite alot:

And pretty much all of the Amateur-Extreme events from GT4.

We were given a 917 Living legend but have no events to use it in except the 800PP ones if you lower the power; it's almost like PD didn't have enough time to finish the game which I think is possible but they also just made plain dumb decisions without much afterthought.

 

[Gt79]

got recently gr2 nsx and nowhere to race it on
ohh wait i totally forgot about custom races, silly me, let me just make 10 laps of nurburgring and get paid same amount as i would have in 3 minutes in a beautiful, most graceful handling model ever invented, aka rally

#sarcasm

 

[McLaren]

Today, Forza has abandoned all that in favor of pink, glitter and cringy memes.

Your willful ignorance aside knowing that Motorsport & Horizon are not the same and the former has not been "abandoned", I guess it's hard for some to cope with the fact FH5 is a massive success for racing games on its own merits.

 

[gigio79]

This is a rant thread, but rather than an angry rant, it is a very sad rant.

Gran Turismo 7 has unfortunately managed what I thought unthinkable. It failed so miserably that I didn't even play it for 2 days now. I lost all excitement. I had more fun re-playing GT1 and GT2 leading up to the release. Much more fun in fact than GT7 was able to provide so far. I'd hazard that outside of the offshoot releases like the prolouges and sport, this is the worst GT game to date.

I can't point to a single thing that is wrong with GT7, it's a ton of small issues, that might be deemed inconsequential on their own. But put together, it is literally a death of a thousand cuts.

The things that contribute most to the failure are:

1. Lack of freedom to do as you will.
   With all content locked away, you can't do anything but follow the beaten path. Any individuality is sorely punished by the game. For example I purchased a car early on, but I couldn't really use it beyond a few races, because the game unlocks races that are only suitable for the cars that it gave as prizes for the previous ones.
   
   This makes GT mode, or career mode if you will a boring grind, and not an exciting wonderland of opportunities like in previous GT games.
   You do not chose the cars you race, and you do not choose the tracks you race on. There is no sense of achievement of making the right choice of cars.
   
   I was hoping desperately that the menu book nonsense is just part of the tutorial, and soon everything will unlock, but then it continued on and on, trickle feeding content. It's boring me out of my mind.
   
   
2. The bugs and issues surrounding progression and challenges
   Ultimately this was the last straw that broke the horse's back for me. I'm unwilling to waste my time trying to complete missions or challenges that might be bugged. And the casual way in which Polyphony just writes in the "fixed issues" of the release log, that if you previously didn't get a trophy you just need to do the challenges again, boils my blood.
   
   
3. Nerfed credit income
   I really don't understand why fans are taking this without saying a word. Are you confused into silence? The game is obviously designed to shepherd people towards microtransactions. I played the game for two weeks and all I have to show for it is two cars that I was able to purchase for 160k and 250k respectively, and some mild upgrades, and about 500k left in credits. It is pathetic, especially considering that the most desirable cars tend to cost a million credits or more.
   
   Why can't we sell cars, really? Can anyone give a reasonable explanation other than to nerf income? Especially considering that this seems to be a last minute addition since the PS store page of the game still mentions selling as part of the game.
   
   And then we didn't even mention invites to purchase cars yet. It's 100% a play trying to exploit FOMO. Yeah, buy credits now, otherwise we take away your opportunity to buy the Veyron, or whatever. But they can dangle anything in front of me, I spit on it rather than catch when it comes to microtransactions.
   
   
4. The rest of the minor issues
   Like the weird physics, the cluttered hud with tons of useless stuff, the lack of customization of the view position, the talking heads they didn't even bother to voice all take away from the experience.

The worst part is that game failed by design. As in it's not that they failed to do what they set out to do, but the egregious parts are deliberate design decisions.

I think it is a mistake to compare GT7 to the old gran turismo. Having said that, I too was disappointed with the game. It is very confusing, it limits the player a lot, but above all it earns few credits making it difficult to buy new cars. If the purpose is to convince players to buy credits online they have made a mistake, few will do so. I have my personal opinion, PD would have needed more time but Sony denied it by releasing a game full of bugs. Who knows that in the next few months something will change as happened in the GT sport career.

 

[ch2423]

With the current state of the game economy, the next rational step is to offer car loans and leases. I can't walk into the dealership and drop $12 million on the table, but I can do $20,000 a week with 2.79 APR. Check my race history, I'm good for it.

 

[beaker2188]

Now go out there and collect 200 hs of online competition. Or were you the only person in the forum not complaining about the IA?

Completionist is just a label and the game has just started. GT4 was meant to be done as it was to last forever. I really can't understand this attitude in 2022, barely 2 weeks from release and knowing Polyphony will release content every month for free. It's just childish.

I appreciate your recommendation, but I'll pass for now. Online lobbies sound like a hot mess as well. Maybe I'll take you up on it when I download the game again 2 years from now. No one is stopping you from enjoying the game as it is right now.

 

[grainqey_5yj]

If the OP doesn't like the game I don't have a problem with that, I'm simply pointing out that a lack of things to do really isn't a fair criticism.


No, you didn't "have to", and you don't "have to" now. You can now if you want more events and you were not always able to do so in previous GT games. It takes some mental gymnastics to turn an often requested benefit expanded upon in GT7 from GT Sport, and not present in earlier titles into a bad thing.


If players can,


if players can.


Which no doubt is why they've laid the foundation and structure to add more "events with a pretty title screen so people that literally paid PD to make race events for them" get to race after 3 clicks, instead of about 10.

Seriously, PD give the player the tools to make thousands upon thousands of races and some people are like... "No! You must serve up these events for me, for I must not have to select the options for myself!". Crazy.

I don't mind making up races if they actually paid anything like a correct amount

 

[GTskilled90]

After completing the menu book there ARE PLENTY of events across the continents to sink your teeth into giving you a wide selection of cars to race with. Personally, I am loving it. The only thing letting this game down is the awful music selection.

As I said, 15 Races for not even a weekend.

In general I think this discussion is useless because too many people don't know **** about gran turismo or / and feel insulted. I'm not interested in a discussion with those kids and everyone who thinks the same about those objective problems and fails should just do the same. It's time wasting. Too many online warriors with zero knowledge but a biiiiig mouth

 

[NotThePrez]

Sooo, we've now reached a point where the folks who bring up GT7s very valid shortcomings, as well as the notion that games are supposed to be fun and enjoyable, are basically being told to touch grass in response. Yeahhh, not a good look for either the game or the community.

Some of y'all are acting like criticizing the game is on the same level of violently slapping a family member in the face. A lot of the folks who are bringing up these issues are not only very long-time GT players, but do so in hopes of the game and the series being better, especially since we know that PD knows about the website and pays attention to what people say in some capacity.

Again, it's no issue if you enjoy the game, but that doesn't mean that its immune to criticism, and there's no denying that GT7 falls short in a lot of places. And if you truly can't handle a person levying criticisms towards GT7, then that's what the ignore button is for. Otherwise, if you think someone is wrong, perhaps come up with better arguments than for people to go outside?

 

[danjama]

Fixing the event payouts and adding the same/exact events from GTS alone would fix the game quite alot I think.

Even though the second option is a lazy one GT Sport actually had quite a few varied and unique events that GT7 is lacking. We don't even have any Gr.1 or Gr.2 evens and the custom races payout so little they aren't even worth it unless you just want to race against the cars in your garage.

5 Laps at sarthe only pays around 5k when it really should pay atleast $50-70k.

These events alone would help GT7 quite alot:

And pretty much all of the Amateur-Extreme events from GT4.

We were given a 917 Living legend but have no events to use it in except the 800PP ones if you lower the power; it's almost like PD didn't have enough time to finish the game which I think is possible but they also just made plain dumb decisions without much afterthought.

First they'll have to admit it's broken.

 

[Lain]

Sooo, we've now reached a point where the folks who bring up GT7s very valid shortcomings, as well as the notion that games are supposed to be fun and enjoyable, are basically being told to touch grass in response. Yeahhh, not a good look for either the game or the community.

Some of y'all are acting like criticizing the game is on the same level of violently slapping a family member in the face. A lot of the folks who are bringing up these issues are not only very long-time GT players, but do so in hopes of the game and the series being better, especially since we know that PD knows about the website and pays attention to what people say in some capacity.

Again, it's no issue if you enjoy the game, but that doesn't mean that its immune to criticism, and there's no denying that GT7 falls short in a lot of places. And if you truly can't handle a person levying criticisms towards GT7, then that's what the ignore button is for. Otherwise, if you think someone is wrong, perhaps come up with better arguments than for people to go outside?

To be fair there can often be a large gulf between the degree of the problem and how severe the complaints make the problem out to be, even if the criticism is valid.

 

[OldSilentHill]

Games are not supposed to be fun?

Well then. Not really sure there is anywhere left to go for those defending the game.

You may affect some GT7 sales with this fachade, nice try btw, one has to admire the commitment.

A lot of people is having tons of fun with the game. You know it and you think its outrageous, lol.

 

[GTskilled90]

You may affect some GT7 sales with this fachade, nice try btw, one has to admire the commitment.

A lot of people is having tons of fun with the game. You know it and you think its outrageous, lol.

So when a lot of Casuals have fun with Fortnite or Candy Crush, THIS is what you measure quality with? What the dumb mass likes? Oh God...

I would more argue what qualifies a casual to discuss a game in a game specific forum.

 

[NotThePrez]

To be fair there can often be a large gulf between the degree of the problem and how severe the complaints make the problem out to be, even if the criticism is valid.

Oh, absolutely, and that should be called out when it happens and gets too crazy. IIRC there were at one point 2 users in the FH5 subforum trying to make a mountain out of a molehill using rather minor issues as the building material, and they were always called on it.

The thing is that the consistent complaints with GT7 are ones that (if I may activate the Armchair Dev 9000Tm) revolve around the fundamental design choices of the game. Those kinds complaints (especially the ones in regards to the games economy and MTX system) are ones that I feel can and should be mentioned as often as possible, because they are issues that majorly effect the general enjoyment of the product, as well as the long-term health of the game.

Those are also the same kind of issues where it would be in PD's best interest to say something about them, because that would mean they at least acknowledge the communities feedback. The whole "stay silent and work in the background" approach to community interaction doesn't really work anymore, given how much more connected we are as a society to one another. Given past history, I'm sadly not hopeful there.

 

[OldSilentHill]

So when a lot of Casuals have fun with Fortnite or Candy Crush, THIS is what you measure quality with? What the dumb mass likes? Oh God...

I would more argue what qualifies a casual to discuss a game in a game specific forum.

So, all the people enjoying the game is dumb? Wow.

And wait a minute, I thought you were complaining more about the quantity than the quality.

 

[GTskilled90]

So, all the people enjoying the game is dumb? Wow.

And wait a minute, I thought you were complaining more about the quantity than the quality.

Now you can't even read and understand? Then stop it. Need an IQ with 3 numbers.

 

[Race_Fit]

In GT7 you can create your own race.

Any arguments about not enough events are invalid.

While this argument isn't great, I'd be extremely happy with being able to set up championships.
If I could set the rules and pick 3/5/7/9/12 tracks for the game to give me my own custom championships, I'd be super jacked about that.
They could calculate a final win bonus the same way they do the single race.

 

[cottag3ch33s3]

imo sony / pd have dropped the ball quite substantially. gt being one of sony's s-tier franchises i did not see them going down this road several developers have before without learning from them.

make game with decent foundation (gameplay, graphics and presentation),
give out review copies with mtx disabled,
release (unfinished) game,
enable mtx after release (not even couple months in, but right away),
massively overcharge these mtx (many cars valued above 20€),
restrict ability to earn currency in their (fullprice!) game and
finally promise the consumer that everything will be patched and updated over the coming months.

speculatively (also been done before by others): after mtx outcry reduce prices to a still bothersome level but present yourself as having listened to the fans and having acted accordingly.

i'm just very tired by this tactic (even more so since their sloppy execution).
if you come up with a creative way to make customers part with their money, i would not applaud it, but at least i'd tip my hat to you for your ingenuity.

what did make me raise an eyebrow though, is this being sony. looking at the rest of their s-tier franchises and studios i did not experience this degree of mtx schemes in any other of their first-party titles so far.

 

[Joseph13]

I'm grateful for this post as we the consumer should know of the lack of career mode content and the megatransactions, it saved me on buying a console just for this game and I may of even purchased a ps5 further up the line too, and we should know what this game really is, so Thank you.

It's the minority that I think this game is aimed at, I knew people who paid in an online game 20 grand just on his army in an android game and they pay 20 grand to get the tier 4 troops, and when they get the troops killed they pay another 20 grand to get them back, so yes they probably pay 100s of thousands each just on an android game, its those types of people who ruin it and it's unfortunate for them as its an addiction.
This online pay to win transactions targets the weak addicted souls and I just wish it would stop.
I'd never play a game that's pay to win especially when it's online, so how come you beat me in that race, oh I payed to win instead of playing to win lol.

Also I think the reason GT sport has sold so many copies of it is because not long after launch it was massively reduced in price, I know a few people who's got it and they only paid £5 for it.

 

[Frisk_]

I'm agree with many people here

GT7 as it is right now is not a finished product

Seriously, where is the career mode ?
How Café could be considered as a career ? I like the concept and it was quite fun but IMO it's definitely not as a career

PD should react because GT7 has everything in it to be a great Gran Turismo (cars, physics, graphics) except career...

 

[well2thebone]

GT7 is a 9/10 workhorse, 7/10 consumer friendly video game. It has a very different sweet sport than previous entries. I am 100% content with this moving forward as there will be continued support. I took notice of project cars 2 around GT Sport's launch. It seems like PD did as well.

 

[m76]

I think it is a mistake to compare GT7 to the old gran turismo. Having said that, I too was disappointed with the game. It is very confusing, it limits the player a lot, but above all it earns few credits making it difficult to buy new cars. If the purpose is to convince players to buy credits online they have made a mistake, few will do so. I have my personal opinion, PD would have needed more time but Sony denied it by releasing a game full of bugs. Who knows that in the next few months something will change as happened in the GT sport career.

1. It is supposed to be a sequel to Gran Turismo 6, so the the only way you do not compare it to previous heights of the series is if you are being willfully ignorant.
2. They did not fail because few people will buy credits, you are missing the point. Even if this was the most successful money printing machine since GTA Online, I'd still hate their guts and think that this is a poor excuse for a Gran Turismo game.
   Imagine GTA6 coming out and it being a sequel to GTA Online with barely any single player content.
3. This has little to do with time. You don't need time to have a healthy in game economy, you don't need time to enable car sales.
   If they'd just enable selling of cars with a flick of a switch that already would make the game immensely more enjoyable.
4. Maybe it will change, maybe not, I'm judging the game based on its current state, not what it might be 6 months or a year from now.

 

[m76]

One plausible explanation is to prevent new players from immediately selling off cars that they might need for future events. The game tends to give you the cars you’ll need for subsequent menu books, so it’s understandable that they might want to prevent new players from shooting themselves in the foot by selling off everything to buy some other car that might not help them progress.

That said, there’s no reason why Polyphony couldn’t make the ability to sell cars an unlockable feature.

That's a problem of their own creation. If all races were open you could always find a race to enter even if you immediately sell all prize cars. Besides you always get three cars for completing a menu book, you only need one car to enter a race. So even if you sold off all three surely you can afford to buy one back. Since I've noticed that the cars you require for the next menu book always show up in the used cars dealer at the same time. Curious, like they thought of this exact same problem before disabling selling.

 

[well2thebone]

The game is almost set up like a gaming as a service concept. The currency system is completely adequate for acquiring bulk numbers of gr4 and gr3 cars, which are the only cars needed in this game at the moment. They give out plenty of road cars. Certainly not the mentality of previous gram turismo, but it is what it is. Do I think GT7 is going to be a cult classic amongst current high school students? Maybe not.

 

[ianF-69]

You know, I agree. So many button presses to get around the menu, too linear etc, i played it one and a half days came across the bugged tests and missions, I've deleted it from the drive for now, i found it intensely irritating and boring.

A real waste of money, I may come back to it in about a year, hopefully they may have improved it by then.

Biggest prob for me is in the online lobby....game says "success" on joining room...then "Unknown error" kicks you out...it even happens between practice and race start....I have 5G network pushing 700mg and a router capable of same ...never had issues like this on GT Sport or any other online game......spoils any hope of enjoying the online lobby's

 

[HGHTCH]

Biggest prob for me is in the online lobby....game says "success" on joining room...then "Unknown error" kicks you out...it even happens between practice and race start....I have 5G network pushing 700mg and a router capable of same ...never had issues like this on GT Sport or any other online game......spoils any hope of enjoying the online lobby's

Yeah, I get that one out of every 5 or so races

 

[ChiefBossMane]

Im not a fan of the new driving system, but maybe this is because i dont have a wheel (yet)?

The offline portion of the game is shallow and repetitive.

The used car lot is stale and boring..

The Online Lobby is SHOCKING!
You cannot save room setups.
You cannot kick players.
There is no quick message function.

GT7 feels like it should have been a DLC add-on to GTSport.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

One plausible explanation is to prevent new players from immediately selling off cars that they might need for future events. The game tends to give you the cars you’ll need for subsequent menu books, so it’s understandable that they might want to prevent new players from shooting themselves in the foot by selling off everything to buy some other car that might not help them progress.

That said, there’s no reason why Polyphony couldn’t make the ability to sell cars an unlockable feature.

Sorry, but that's not really an excuse. At all.

You can't sell cars, but you have the option to Discard them? Which makes it even worse because discarding the cars give you 0 credits while selling them gives you credits which can allow you to buy a car at least.

You can buy cars in this game. It's only logical that you should be able to sell them (at "reasonable" prices, like in GT4 where your car would sell for 1/5th of the dealership price tag).

Or instead of "blocking" the feature itself, it could just restrict you from selling cars if you only have 1 car available or less than XXX credits (100.000 for example). I can understand this. Not what they did and likely will let it be until the game's lifetime.

GT6 and GT Sport were great. GT5 not so much

This is probably for another thread, but GT6 was literally a watered down GT5 that only had "numbers" over GT5 due to the fact that all of Gran Turismo 5 cars and tracks were ported to GT6.
GT6 was literally a GT5 spec II.
Gran Turismo 5 on it's own in terms of content/gameplay was one of the best in the series only behind GT4 and GT2. The thing that irked most people was just the PS2 model cars that should've never been in the game and they were really low-quality in almost all areas. But then again, GT6 was the exact same since GT5's PS2 modeled cars were ported to GT6.

GT Sport is arguably the worst in the franchise, but then again, it's not a NUMBERED GT title and the devs explicity stated that it was to focus on e-sports and online racing.
And in those two aspects, GT Sport was in fact a great racing game. But for single player? Not even close to pretty much any numbered title... aside from GT7 ironically.

 

[Samus]

You may affect some GT7 sales with this fachade, nice try btw, one has to admire the commitment.

A lot of people is having tons of fun with the game. You know it and you think its outrageous, lol.

Yes, that's it. I hate anyone having fun and I'm on a one man crusade to try and stop people buying this game. You got me.

No, I just don't understand why some people attempt to stop all criticism being posted on here, and keep moaning about it. By all means if you like something, and see someone critique something you don't agree with, then reply to that person and explain why you think they're wrong. That's discussion.

But this blanket "People need to stop complaining about this game, I like it, and lots of other people do" is bizarre. If you enjoy it and have no issues at all, great. Enjoy it. If other people enjoy it but have issues, let them discuss those issues. It literally does not affect your enjoyment of the game at all.