GT7 has failed to be Gran Turismo

[danjama]

Anybody know if it's possible to claim a refund on digital download game?

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Anybody know if it's possible to claim a refund on digital download game?

It's rare, but it happens. It likely won't for this. Good luck.

 

[AlexWilmot]

Anybody know if it's possible to claim a refund on digital download game?

Sony will say only if you haven't installed it yet, otherwise it'll be a no

 

[EludeR]

I definitely do not feel like this is the worst GT7 (imo GT4 gets that title due to the ridiculous drifting physics alone). But I do however feel like there is room for improvement - the best thing about GT7 is the physics and the sport/multiplayer modes. Customization in Forza 7 was better imo - engine swaps ? You can just buy them - you can tune your car in a time trial session... e.t.c. Also i feel like the oversteer physics are a bit overstated with the front engine/rwd cars. Some cars just flat out have broken physics like the OG Shelby GT350. This game was the main reason why i bought a PS5 and its a great game don't get me wrong - but after so many years - i was expecting more of the traditional formula that made me miss GT since GT3 A-Spec.

 

[m76]

Right now, having fired up my PS5 at lunch to try and see what the update ahs brought and do my daily marathon, it's safe to say right now I'm not getting the game I paid for.

It's 1pm and the servers are still down for maintenance that was scheduled to finish at 9am.

At least I now know exactly what you can access.

World Series is the only open pavilion and that give you Single Race, Time Trial and Drift Trial, with only 13 cars on offer. You can get into photo-mode from the replay and save the pictures and also save the replay.

It's not the custom race screen either, options are limited to Number of laps, Start Type, Difficultly and Boost level (off, weak, strong), weather is limited to ones tied to Time of Day from Time Trial,

That's it, your internet drops or the servers are on-line and that's you £60/£70 game.

Just turned on to download the latest patch as 1.06 took an hour to install, but the game won't even start for me on PS4 Pro while the servers are down. It just goes into an infinite loop with the fans blasting at full blow.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Just turned on to download the latest patch as 1.06 took an hour to install, but the game won't even start for me on PS4 Pro while the servers are down. It just goes into an infinite loop with the fans blasting at full blow.

If your PS isn't set to offline mode, the game will keep trying to connect for like 5-10 minutes before putting itself in offline mode where you can do Music Rally.

There was a bug in the update. Now none of us can play until the next update. We don't know when that'll be.

 

[m76]

I definitely do not feel like this is the worst GT7 (imo GT4 gets that title due to the ridiculous drifting physics alone). But I do however feel like there is room for improvement - the best thing about GT7 is the physics and the sport/multiplayer modes. Customization in Forza 7 was better imo - engine swaps ? You can just buy them - you can tune your car in a time trial session... e.t.c. Also i feel like the oversteer physics are a bit overstated with the front engine/rwd cars. Some cars just flat out have broken physics like the OG Shelby GT350. This game was the main reason why i bought a PS5 and its a great game don't get me wrong - but after so many years - i was expecting more of the traditional formula that made me miss GT since GT3 A-Spec.

GT4 is one of, if not the best GT for the sheer amount of content and events, and you could easily ignore the drifting bit, as did I. I also ignored the dirt events in every GT outside of the license tests, because the dirt physics is (still) laughable.
In GT7 you are forced to do everything to progress whether you like it or not.

 

[m76]

If your PS isn't set to offline mode, the game will keep trying to connect for like 5-10 minutes before putting itself in offline mode where you can do Music Rally.

There was a bug in the update. Now none of us can play until the next update. We don't know when that'll be.

Not that I'd want to play musical rally.

At this point if someone doesn't want to understand why live service is bad for single player games, they are being deliberately obtuse.

 

[GTskilled90]

Thanks for all the poo emojis @GTskilled90, very constructive and mature 👍

No Problem, boy. It's all you understand, it's all the time your knowledge here is worth. If you don't see the huge issues with your character in here... I'm not a therapist. Keep ignoring facts, write nonsense, feel smart while doing so and if somebody calls you out you just tell him he has too much time. Annnnnnd go.

 

[EludeR]

GT4 is one of, if not the best GT for the sheer amount of content and events, and you could easily ignore the drifting bit, as did I. I also ignored the dirt events in every GT outside of the license tests, because the dirt physics is (still) laughable.
In GT7 you are forced to do everything to progress whether you like it or not.

I was really big into drifting when GT4 came out - look at my past posts i played the heck out of GT3 a-spec. So the GT4 drifting/oversteer physics were just lame - you would initiate a slide full throttle with your rear tires spinning and then all the sudden your rear tires find grip from nowhere and spin you violently the other way (while your rear tires are still spinning !) - it was absolutely inexcusable. I never went back to it for that reason.

 

[danjama]

Sony will say only if you haven't installed it yet, otherwise it'll be a no

Right. Will only buy physical in future then.

 

[Dreadmed]

Given the last title in the series to feature full endurance races for single player was GT6, I would say it's open for question, so yes, for many doubt does exist.

Wouldn't that have been GT5? I can recall the pain of running those B-Spec Enduro's quite vividly! If I recall correctly, GT6 only had enduro-lite events e.g. 24 minutes of Le Mans. At the time I was disappointed that there wasn't anything longer in the career mode...

 

[danjama]

I definitely do not feel like this is the worst GT7 (imo GT4 gets that title due to the ridiculous drifting physics alone). But I do however feel like there is room for improvement - the best thing about GT7 is the physics and the sport/multiplayer modes. Customization in Forza 7 was better imo - engine swaps ? You can just buy them - you can tune your car in a time trial session... e.t.c. Also i feel like the oversteer physics are a bit overstated with the front engine/rwd cars. Some cars just flat out have broken physics like the OG Shelby GT350. This game was the main reason why i bought a PS5 and its a great game don't get me wrong - but after so many years - i was expecting more of the traditional formula that made me miss GT since GT3 A-Spec.

I have no issue with the physics or core of the game. I object entirely to the lack of transparency regards to microtransactions and also actual game content. The whole thing stinks and it pisses me off that they have my money. Lesson learned for next time. Take note pd, I was one of your loyal customers.

 

[m76]

I have no issue with the physics or core of the game. I object entirely to the lack of transparency regards to microtransactions and also actual game content. The whole thing stinks and it pisses me off that they have my money. Lesson learned for next time. Take note pd, I was one of your loyal customers.

Same here, -1 customer. And that's -1 customer for Sony as well, since I've only really purchased PS consoles for Gran Turismo, and while I had it I'd buy a few other exclusives too. Well, that ended here and now. I have zero faith that they'll turn around GT7 to the point where I don't feel utterly betrayed as a fan of the series since 1998. Especially since they still seem to be doubling down on the nerfed credits path.

 

[GTskilled90]

I have no issue with the physics or core of the game. I object entirely to the lack of transparency regards to microtransactions and also actual game content. The whole thing stinks and it pisses me off that they have my money. Lesson learned for next time. Take note pd, I was one of your loyal customers.

Let's be fair though. In times where micro transactions weren't a thing in GT, it hat the same unbalanced progression system. So....PD is not evil, they are just stupid. I'm totally convinced that Gt7 would exactly be the same without the possibility of buying credits. It's just there because there are enough of those smart buyers.

Also there's no point in buying 2 Mio credits for 20 bucks. I can grind them in 1 hour.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Also there's no point in buying 2 Mio credits for 20 bucks. I can grind them in 1 hour.

No, you really can't. Max rate is now around 800k/hr.

 

[GTskilled90]

No, you really can't. Max rate is now around 800k/hr.

Don't know what 1.07 changed, but if you say so it's good to know. Still, it's not to make money in my opinion. It's a failure of game design. Like all flaws Gt7 has. Kaz is not that interested in the game part of a GT anymore. At least that's what I think after the last 15 years.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Don't know what 1.07 changed,

 

[The Cake]

The irony is that I get out exactly because GT7 failed to keep me inside

I don't know, but I think Sony is pulling GT in that direction. You know, slaptrain is loving this game. And I can understand why they are trying to have a real career mode, casual players like it. Personally, both career and hardcore only driving. I think they have failed to the last part. It's a joke in terms of the grinding you have to do. So many cars you want to driver, and if you love normal life, you have other things to do than rallying at fisherman's. And if you want to pay, it's so freaking expensive.

 

[GTskilled90]

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OK, so now there's no race anymore to really grind for. I mean, it was a bit much before for some races (in comparison to others) but actually I don't understand why they didn't push the other events instead of... This.

Also... They fix this but still think it's okay to get like 5k credits for circuit experience in gold? I might change my mind 😂

 

[hardvibes]

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Someone at PD forgot a little number in front of each new payout.
But worry not, I fixed it for them.

 

[Brego]

My main issue (besides updates that take the game offline for ... TBA), is the handholding. The OP mentioned handholding and to a certain extent on the specifics I agree, however the handholding goes much farther and is much more annoying than what was said.

I like the little compass that gives me an unobtrusive hint on following the progression, but I don't necessarily like the degree of constriction. A few days into the game I have more open, but it is like walking through a maze with corriders 1 metre wide.

By far, the more annoying issue is on license exams, every few fails its "HI LOOKS LIKE YOU NEED SOME HELP" and some smiling condescending elitist basically implying that I don't know what I'm doing, just because I am going for the gold. Some of these golds are easy... several I got within a few tries, but others take many many attempts, and that means many many times I get reminded that I am a failure and need to go back to the rookie league. Nevermind that my current record is 0.011 away from Gold, IT LOOKS LIKE I NEED SOME HELP Because condescension is so helpful.

The other issue is with the cafe, which is where the extremely narrow path is dictated from. I understand they want to make it accessible for younger gamers, but I'm pretty sure a 12 year old gamer does not need this kind of water-wings in the wading pool with a leash and lifeguard. I feel like they want Gran Turismo to be accesible to 5-year-olds who have never seen a console before.

Theres a lot to like about GT7 but the condescension and gaming-for-toddlers level of handholding ruins a lot of it.

 

[Brego]

I think I've discovered another MIA -- save replay. Is it hidden somewhere behind a submenu?

 

[Brego]

I don't know, but I think Sony is pulling GT in that direction. You know, slaptrain is loving this game. And I can understand why they are trying to have a real career mode, casual players like it. Personally, both career and hardcore only driving. I think they have failed to the last part. It's a joke in terms of the grinding you have to do. So many cars you want to driver, and if you love normal life, you have other things to do than rallying at fisherman's. And if you want to pay, it's so freaking expensive.

Thats exactly the point. Also, that is why online mode is required for offline play. They are interested in making every cent from every person they possibly can. I realize they need to make money, but today it feels like the entire point is take more money, never mind that you already paid $70 for the game and pay for online too, but now thats still not enough.

I think Kaz is out of the loop. He needs PD to be profitable, but he also loves driving and GT. The earlier the version, the more important the game was. GT7 seems like money is 90% or more of the equation now.

 

[The Cake]

Thats exactly the point. Also, that is why online mode is required for offline play. They are interested in making every cent from every person they possibly can. I realize they need to make money, but today it feels like the entire point is take more money, never mind that you already paid $70 for the game and pay for online too, but now thats still not enough.

I think Kaz is out of the loop. He needs PD to be profitable, but he also loves driving and GT. The earlier the version, the more important the game was. GT7 seems like money is 90% or more of the equation now.

Even noe, adtr the update the online isn't working. I can understand if they have problems. GT sport was doable for the grinding. They changed totally over so little time, it's like day and night over only one game. Its actually sad.

 

[jergto]

As much as I love the Gran Turismo series above any other, I have to agree completely.
Every generation of the game seems completely at the mercy of whatever is holding Kaz's interest at the time its being developed. I'm grateful to him and all he's done, but letting a single individual have so much executive control over such a popular title without anyone to truly naysay him, means we are subject to his whims... though he has occasionally seemed to listen to some of the regular final contenders.

If we want change, our best bet is to get them to agree and collectively bring it to him. They are some of the few he seems to listen to... at least sometimes.

LOL, dang nothing has changed huh? Sony needs revamp the series and just put Kaz as a consultant. They need to look at the previous games and see what brought that magic.

 

[MrPiggy]

The things we're "winging" about are highly objective too. You're whining that we want the game to be better and won't accept whatever's given to us as a perfect game.

Noone said it's a perfect game. It is a game with issues at the moment, but it is still enjoyable.
The main issue with the game is the people who playing it. It could even be the game of the year and still many people would cry about something.
What I noticed is that people love to whine/cry. Not just in gaming, but in general.
And they're the cause of their own issues.
You cry about the game isn't perfect/good enough because you compare and/or been hyped about it before release. You expected way too much and since it doesn't meet your expectations, you cry.
And yes, it is partly because of the media/streamers/advertisings fault, but it's your own fault only that you believe anything they say/show/promise.
You made the decision to get the game around release, can't blame anyone else for it.
You could've waited a bit/or longer, for reviews about the game, find out how it really is (especially if you find the game expensive), so you could've made a better decision about buying it or not. But you didn't

 

[The Cake]

Noone said it's a perfect game. It is a game with issues at the moment, but it is still enjoyable.
The main issue with the game is the people who playing it. It could even be the game of the year and still many people would cry about something.
What I noticed is that people love to whine/cry. Not just in gaming, but in general.
And they're the cause of their own issues.
You cry about the game isn't perfect/good enough because you compare and/or been hyped about it before release. You expected way too much and since it doesn't meet your expectations, you cry.
And yes, it is partly because of the media/streamers/advertisings fault, but it's your own fault only that you believe anything they say/show/promise.
You made the decision to get the game around release, can't blame anyone else for it.
You could've waited a bit/or longer, for reviews about the game, find out how it really is (especially if you find the game expensive), so you could've made a better decision about buying it or not. But you didn't

The change from one game to another is huge man! This is not the GT spirit! At least for my opinion 😜

 

[m76]

Noone said it's a perfect game. It is a game with issues at the moment, but it is still enjoyable.

It is enjoyable to a degree. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that the game is complete trash.
The problem is that it is much less enjoyable than it could be with a few minor changes.

For example I just got to the part where I need to race against European FR cars, and the game gave me an E46 M3, which is fine, but I don't like that car and would much rather use something else. In all previous GT games I could sell a few cars and buy any car I wanted outside of the 10 million credit unicorns. Here I'm forced to race a car I don't like and don't enjoy driving, and I even have to spend money to tune it to make it competitive enough to win the races.

The main issue with the game is the people who playing it. It could even be the game of the year and still many people would cry about something.

LOL, At first I thought you were arguing in good faith, but it seems nothing could be further from the truth. You can't please everyone, but when the majority are unhappy you (as in Sony / Polyphony) really should start looking at yourself as the problem.

What I noticed is that people love to whine/cry. Not just in gaming, but in general.

What I'd love is a GT game. Whining = Expressing dissatisfaction with the state of something.

And they're the cause of their own issues.

I'm not sure how I caused GT7 to remove the option of selling cars, remove offline play, and to only have a fraction of the events compared to previous titles.

You cry about the game isn't perfect/good enough because you compare and/or been hyped about it before release. You expected way too much and since it doesn't meet your expectations, you cry.

I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation for a sequel to be similar in spirit to it's predecessors and have comparable amount of value/content.

And yes, it is partly because of the media/streamers/advertisings fault, but it's your own fault only that you believe anything they say/show/promise.

WTF do they have to do with any of this?

You made the decision to get the game around release, can't blame anyone else for it.

Oh yes, good old victim blaming. It's your own damn fault you got raped. You were asking for it!

You could've waited a bit/or longer, for reviews about the game, find out how it really is (especially if you find the game expensive), so you could've made a better decision about buying it or not. But you didn't

You just said don't trust the media/stremaers/advertising, so why would you trust the reviews by the media/streamers/influencers?

 

[Maksym]

I think Gran Turismo 7 is a advance in racing sims. I’ve been playing the Gran Turismo series and Forza Motorsport series for a long time, so I know GT will never be nothing like Forza. Because u have endurance races where can change the fuel from more power or lean. Plus, you get to change the brakes and adjust them from Front to Rear.
So in general what I’m saying is Gran Turismo is more realistic and simulated and Forza Motorsport may have better graphics but it’s only arcade driving.