GT7 has failed to be Gran Turismo

[danjama]

After seeing the patch notes I'm seriously done with pd and gt7. I'll check back in a year or so.

I don't remember buying a fantasy game.

 

[StIwY]

I was about to post it, just read the inconsistent changelog. There is no even the fix at the black screen at the multiplayer. Disgraceful..and i'd say unrespectful too to the community.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

After seeing the patch notes I'm seriously done with pd and gt7. I'll check back in a year or so.

I don't remember buying a fantasy game.

I'd join you but unfortunately I'm too stuck on hoping the game I paid $90 for will be good soon.

 

[StIwY]

No host migration, no possibility to change setting while the lobby is open, still filter reset every time you back out from a lobby, still nothing that tells you that a race is already started befone joining a lobby......what a pity.

But hey, we added three fancy car no one asked for......

 

[Manasseh257NSX]

PD has officially joined the category with EA.

Once the hero capable of producing fun, engaging games. Now has became a greedy, lazy, and unfocused brand.

It looks to me that PD has officially lost its way. They don't seem to have a focus... They are losing a massive amount of players and I'm truly afraid they've dug their own grave. Due to how bad they have burned their fans with their incompetence, I don't think they'll ever repeat the numbers they had in the golden days.

Sad. I really wanted this game to be the modernization of the classic GT we all once loved.

 

[Voodoovaj]

The game and it's called GT Sport them clowns at PD should have never released the game with bugs & glitches, and that tells me it was rushed out to early.

If games waited until all these issues were addressed, there would never be any video games.

Edge cases happen. Also, some bugs are not found because no one is testing for that case. For example, the Tommahwak exploit. Since they believe grinding is unnecessary, no one is testing to see if the limits can be cheated.

Out in the real world, where their economy is considered a turd, we try to exploit races to get payouts.

PD had their opportunity to fix these bugs & glitches way way before March 4th, and they did absolutely nothing to address these issues before release. GT Sport 2 is a very poorly designed game like GT Sport was, and they call it GT7 more like a GT Sport 2.

They could also call have called the last game GT7 and this one GT8. The name doesn't change anything.

This game we got now all it is a continuation of GT Sport, and it is not original numbered game.

GTS was the best selling game since GT5, so they did something right. Sport Mode brought in players. The have not continued it at all. Sport Mode races are the most difficult yet are encouraged the least. They did not even evolve the design. All they did was add brake balance to the BoP lockout.

PD should have made a lot better numbered game for there fan base, instead they cut a lot of corners.

We need to shut it down.. We need to stop participating. Keep the campaign of bad reviews and bad blood going. After 5 years of development, they didn't cut corners, they simply went off in a different direction and focused on gouging us for more money.

They should have called it GT Extorsion.

 

[GTalaune]

PD has officially joined the category with EA.

Once the hero capable of producing fun, engaging games. Now has became a greedy, lazy, and unfocused brand.

It looks to me that PD has officially lost its way. They don't seem to have a focus... They are losing a massive amount of players and I'm truly afraid they've dug their own grave. Due to how bad they have burned their fans with their incompetence, I don't think they'll ever repeat the numbers they had in the golden days.

Sad. I really wanted this game to be the modernization of the classic GT we all once loved.

They should have given GT to Evolution Studios, we would have the best racing game ever, no kidding.

 

[CTznOfTime]

There are more restrictions in this game than there is in buying a gun a Merica...

 

[Voodoovaj]

They should have given GT to Evolution Studios, we would have the best racing game ever, no kidding.

Except they were closed in 2016, severely hampering their ability to do anything.

But to your point, there's many that could.

I could do it. I have all the requisite experience. I could assemble the team. They could hire people away from Codemasters. They could hire people from Ghost (many former DICE folks)... There's a world of options... Literally.

But, they won't. Ever. Why? Because we all keep buying it, but this one is a step too far. I have spoken to a few former colleagues on this matter and they are universal in their condemnation of this iteration. We understand what they tried to do, but this is an epic failure.

The only thing that matters is money. Stop giving them your money. Tell everyone you know to avoid it.

 

[CBH]

If games waited until all these issues were addressed, there would never be any video games.

Edge cases happen. Also, some bugs are not found because no one is testing for that case. For example, the Tommahwak exploit. Since they believe grinding is unnecessary, no one is testing to see if the limits can be cheated.

Out in the real world, where their economy is considered a turd, we try to exploit races to get payouts.

They could also call have called the last game GT7 and this one GT8. The name doesn't change anything.

GTS was the best selling game since GT5, so they did something right. Sport Mode brought in players. The have not continued it at all. Sport Mode races are the most difficult yet are encouraged the least. They did not even evolve the design. All they didnwas at brake balance to the BoP lockout.

We need to shut it down.. We need to stop participating. Keep the campaign of bad reviews and bad blood going. After 5 years of development, they didn't cut corners, they simply went off in a different direction and focused on gouging us for more money.

They should have called it GT Extorsion.

If they didn't cut corners and drifted away from a numbered game design, then we would have had a dam good one to enjoy, but for some reason PD went stupid going in the direction of GT Sport design type game. PD should have stuck to the original design of a numbered game, rather than making a GT Sport 2.
A numbered game should not be about collecting cars, menu book, music rally it should be all about racing.

 

[Nathan88]

Except they were closed in 2016, severely hampering their ability to do anything.

But to your point, there's many that could.

I could do it. I have all the requisite experience. I could assemble the team. They could hire people away from Codemasters. They could hire people from Ghost (many former DICE folks)... There's a world of options... Literally.

But, they won't. Ever. Why? Because we all keep buying it, but this one is a step too far. I have spoken to a few former colleagues on this matter and they are universal in their condemnation of this iteration. We understand what they tried to do, but this is an epic failure.

The only thing that matters is money. Stop giving them your money. Tell everyone you know to avoid it.

I can only assume some of you guys are on a wind-up. Or have dug yourself into such a ridiculous position, you can’t see the wood, for the trees.

I see the same names cropping up in evey thread. Liking each other’s post. With this utterly bizarre perception of GT7.

Hate to break it to you guys. But GT7 is extremely popular, it has excellent word of mouth, continued great sales. And Sony are fully behind developing the franchise further.

If it’s not for you, that’s perfectly fine. I don’t spend my time on forums or social media railing against a game (and apparently the developers too). Seriously, some of this is bordering on hatred and completely irrational.

Just walk away.

PD has officially joined the category with EA.

Once the hero capable of producing fun, engaging games. Now has became a greedy, lazy, and unfocused brand.

It looks to me that PD has officially lost its way. They don't seem to have a focus... They are losing a massive amount of players and I'm truly afraid they've dug their own grave. Due to how bad they have burned their fans with their incompetence, I don't think they'll ever repeat the numbers they had in the golden days.

Sad. I really wanted this game to be the modernization of the classic GT we all once loved.

Take a look outside the echo chamber of threads like this. GT7 looks increasingly likely to be the biggest selling instalment in the entire Gran Turismo franchise. With a decent chance of being the first GT to hit the 20m sales mark. Regardless of the final numbers. We’re looking at a return to form in terms of critical, mainstream player & commercial reception.

 

[TNumbers1946]

I can only assume some of you guys are on a wind-up. Or have dug yourself into such a ridiculous position, you can’t see the wood, for the trees.

I see the same names cropping up in evey thread. Liking each other’s post. With this utterly bizarre perception of GT7.

Hate to break it to you guys. But GT7 is extremely popular, it has excellent word of mouth, continued great sales. And Sony are fully behind developing the franchise further.

If it’s not for you, that’s perfectly fine. I don’t spend my time on forums or social media railing against a game (and apparently the developers too). Seriously, some of this is bordering on hatred and completely irrational.

Just walk away.

Go back and play the older games and you would understand why everyone is upset. We were all baited into believing we would be getting a traditional gt experience and were given hardly anything resembling it. But even so I would be able to live with it if the game was functional in lobbies but they are a full jump backwards. Can’t adjust settings mid lobby, constant disconnects, and for some reason the stability is absolutely horrendous. I just wanted to have a fun time with some friends online but it’s hard to enjoy that when the game does everything in its power to prevent me from doing so. Ok rant over. I really hope pd can turn it around because as it stands I probably won’t be buying the next entry.

 

[Scaff]

If it’s not for you, that’s perfectly fine.

It is indeed.

I don’t spend my time on forums or social media railing against a game (and apparently the developers too).

And that's your choice, here at GT Planet we accept all views and conversations about subjects, be they positive or negative (the only requirement is that they follow the AUP), as such members sharing negative views are quite fine to do so. As such they have no need to 'just walk away', either from the title in question or posting about it.

 

[Niop]

I can forgive the lack of cars compared to GT5/6. I understand it takes more time to model the higher resolution.
But how do they justify the lack of features that they were able to provide more than a decade ago?
It's an absolute joke how unbaked this game is. Nobody that's played GT4-6 would defend it.
I definitely won't be buying the next iteration at launch.

 

[FoxMulder]

I’m still thoroughly disappointed in this game and have mostly moved on to other things, only checking in for dealership rotations every few days.

I saw they killed the tomahawk grind but still haven’t added tons of events you can make money with instead of grinding.

 

[GTalaune]

Except they were closed in 2016, severely hampering their ability to do anything.

But to your point, there's many that could.

I could do it. I have all the requisite experience. I could assemble the team. They could hire people away from Codemasters. They could hire people from Ghost (many former DICE folks)... There's a world of options... Literally.

But, they won't. Ever. Why? Because we all keep buying it, but this one is a step too far. I have spoken to a few former colleagues on this matter and they are universal in their condemnation of this iteration. We understand what they tried to do, but this is an epic failure.

The only thing that matters is money. Stop giving them your money. Tell everyone you know to avoid it.

I know they were closed and I just don't understand why. Sony ****ed them with the Drive Club release, they always produced great games when given the time.

Edit : One bad game and Evolution Studio was closed, meanwhile PD has been failing since 2009 with GT PSP (not bad but still half-baked game), I'm still pised at Sony for that, we will never get a modern Motorstorm now.

 

[FoxMulder]

I know they were closed and I just don't understand why. Sony ****ed them with the Drive Club release, they always produced great games when given the time

Sony should have just ripped off the Forza model with Evolution making an arcade racer with GT assets to save time and money.

Driveclub ended up great and got slammed for a rough release, something every AAA game has these days.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Gran Turismo is supposed yo be the ultimate CARPG

So, in that vein, it should be about the life in cars. I get that Kaz might be in his collector phase, but that's not a game. The menu book single player is not actually a game. There is no game play to it.

Maybe car shows... Maybe concours races (like Goodwood)... That's the game in car collection. This is a blatant attenot and grind money out of us.

Removing the ability to sell cars removes the gameplay of the economy. The economy should be about management of resources. Now, it's just about spending, so we are driven to grind or spend more real money.

Kaz and Sony have lost the plot. I get the need for more revenue streams, but this is horrendous choice.

Yet, Kaz will remain. The powers that be at Sony will remain. They will continue until they stop making money.

 

[mastretta_mx]

👍

 

[Silver Arrows]

With this utterly bizarre perception of GT7.

Almost like you gain a perception of a game through playing it. Shocking concept, I know.

it has excellent word of mouth

Got proof? Because aside from talking about the game's economy issues and extended server down time, and the micro-transactions deal (all of which are still not fixed) I've seen very little chatter about the game in general. So yeah, excellent word of mouth is a big stretch.

I don’t spend my time on forums or social media railing against a game (and apparently the developers too). Seriously, some of this is bordering on hatred and completely irrational.

Considering what Kaz promised with this game (and with the previous games going back to GT5's development, of which you can read here and see a very clear pattern) and how nearly every portion of the game is either incredibly underbaked, deliberately cut back in order to add it back in for supposed goodwill, and shows no real signs of ever improving the problems present within the game, both in micro sense with this game in particular, and the macro in the series in generality, why wouldn't people be pissed off?

You also forget that for some, the last numbered GT title was close to a decade ago. And what do we have to show for that? The same problems that have plagued the series for just as long, if not longer, alongside many new ones, and a game that basically has no real direction except the whimsical and detached from reality one provided by the series' figurehead? Boy, nice toknow that's what my 90 dollars (or 100 if I bought the game on PS5!) is going to.

GT7 looks increasingly likely to be the biggest selling instalment in the entire Gran Turismo franchise. With a decent chance of being the first GT to hit the 20m sales mark. Regardless of the final numbers. We’re looking at a return to form in terms of critical, mainstream player & commercial reception.

Who cares about sales numbers when the community is pissed off, and rightfully so? All of those numbers mean absolutely jack **** when your community is pissed off and your game is rife with problems, problems that could be fixed but aren't being so, and it actively detracts from your game having any sort of appreciable legs. And considering Kaz fancies GT7 to be a live service title, that's not exactly a good thing, is it?

The amount of condescension in your posts about peoples (legitimate) complaints about this game, and the series at large, and trying to use numbers when that means absolutely squat to what GT7 is going through in general would be hilarious if it wasn't plainly obvious you're using it to more or less shut down criticism of the game that you believe is unwarranted. Considering the long dark the series has been in since GT5, a long dark that Kaz has shown no desire to fix and instead drive the series further into it, why the hell wouldn't people be overly critical when they've been taken for suckers one too many times?

 

[The OG]

I was willing to ignore all the negative stuff about gt7 and enjoy the game for what it is... I just wanted to collect all the cars while using the tomahawk... but they had to remove that as well and not give other races that pay close to as much... absolutely no reason for me now to play the game... good job on the update PD

 

[Silver Arrows]

Also, it'll be funny to see people who were trumpeting that the economy was 'fixed' because they added big cash prizes to the Circuit Experience (relative to the skill level of the player, so mileage varies significantly) realize that with the Tomahawk loophole now closed, we'll be more or less back to square one where people were grinding races for peanuts because Polyphony couldn't bother offering decent cash prizes.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Decent chance of being the first GT to hit the 20m sales mark. Regardless of the final numbers. We’re looking at a return to form in terms of critical, mainstream player & commercial reception.

It won't even come close.

IIt has sold so far on pre-release promise. Promise that has been proven to be empty. Maybe 5 million. It will be bargain bim material by Christmas.

 

[Roman_GT23]

Also, it'll be funny to see people who were trumpeting that the economy was 'fixed' because they added big cash prizes to the Circuit Experience (relative to the skill level of the player, so mileage varies significantly) realize that with the Tomahawk loophole now closed, we'll be more or less back to square one where people were grinding races for peanuts because Polyphony couldn't bother offering decent cash prizes.

ehhhh I slightly disagree. I find enjoyment in the always random conditions of WTC 800 Spa 24, WTC 700 Le Mans, and WTC 800 at Sardegna on hard difficulty. It gives me a chance to test out a new car and learn it's characteristics. Tomahawk was a good money grind but I would get bored after 2 runs. These other ones I mentioned are much more immersive.

 

[alex511]

As Long as Jim Ryan is PS CEO, nothing will change with PD. Kaz can nearly everything do what he want and gets what he want, and there is no one, who gives him contra in the company, as it seems.
They see him all as an legend.
Hermes, too.

 

[Nathan88]

It won't even come close.

IIt has sold so far on pre-release promise. Promise that has been proven to be empty. Maybe 5 million. It will be bargain bim material by Christmas.

We’re some 3 months from launch and GT7 remains in the top 3 PS5 rankings at many major retailers across the UK & EU. We have yet to see any discounting or official bundles. GT7 is tracking on par, if not ahead of HFW. The sequel to a title that sold over 20m. There’s also the rumoured PC GT7 release. Which could add multiple millions if (older) Sony releases are anything to go by.

You’re projecting your own (perfectly valid) views rather than acknowledging the mainstream perception of GT7. It is a highly regarded title, with strong word of mouth. The very things some in this thread criticise, IE the Cafe mode, are the aspects that are attracting a broader gaming audience.

GT Sport had strong fundamentals but was a complete turn-off for many players. Hence it was half price within a month. Which then became the official price point.

The old CaRPG aspect of numbered GT’s had become stale. This was reflected in reviews and general player feedback. You could well argue GT7 would now benefit from some substantial Championships/Events for those who have reached ‘End Game’ status. Or even just up rewards for Custom races.

But that is something very different to arguing PD have lost touch and launched a dud. When all the metrics point to the exact opposite.

 

[Voodoovaj]

We’re some 3 months from launch and GT7 remains in the top 3 PS5 rankings at many major retailers across the UK & EU. We have yet to see any discounting or official bundles. GT7 is tracking on par, if not ahead of HFW. The sequel to a title that sold over 20m.

Show me this data. I have only seen 10mil for GTS.

Also, you, me, and a myriad of other people bought this game with the expectation that it would adhere to previous games. Not that it would charge me for the privilege of owning it, and then try to charge me again to access the content.

There’s also the rumoured PC GT7 release. Which could add multiple millions if (older) Sony releases are anything to go by.

Sony makes GT for PlayStation. It helps to sell PlayStations.

Done

This game will never be on a PC

You’re projecting your own (perfectly valid) views rather than acknowledging the mainstream perception of GT7. It is a highly regarded title, with strong word of mouth. The very things some in this thread criticise, IE the Cafe mode, are the aspects that are attracting a broader gaming audience.

GT Sport had strong fundamentals but was a complete turn-off for many players. Hence it was half price within a month. Which then became the official price point.

The old CaRPG aspect of numbered GT’s had become stale. This was reflected in reviews and general player feedback. You could well argue GT7 would now benefit from some substantial Championships/Events for those who have reached ‘End Game’ status. Or even just up rewards for Custom races.

But that is something very different to arguing PD have lost touch and launched a dud. When all the metrics point to the exact opposite.

Funny thing about metrics, they take time. If this continues to sell, then I suppose, people don't mind being double charged, and the folks who feel scammed will just have to move on.

Here are aome important metrics: Lobbies are a ghost town and Sport Mode is having issues with match making. That's less participation. That drop off will have lasting effects. If Gran Turismo becomes synonymous with MTX, it will lose the faithful.

 

[Samus]

The very things some in this thread criticise, IE the Cafe mode, are the aspects that are attracting a broader gaming audience.

How on earth could you know specifically what parts of the game are attracting buyers? Honestly, all the things you claim to know is getting rather silly.

 

[Techlet]

You’re projecting your own (perfectly valid) views rather than acknowledging the mainstream perception of GT7. It is a highly regarded title, with strong word of mouth. The very things some in this thread criticise, IE the Cafe mode, are the aspects that are attracting a broader gaming audience.

The only time I've seen GT7 being featured in general media after launch was during the 30 hour maint.

There's barely anybody talking about this game on Youtube or streaming it on Twitch outside of the incredibly small racing game circle.

It's kinda sad compared to something like Forza Horizon.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

How on earth could you know specifically what parts of the game are attracting buyers? Honestly, all the things you claim to know is getting rather silly.

Maybe Nathan88 is secretly Kaz?