GT7 has failed to be Gran Turismo

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Also, you, me, and a myriad of other people bought this game with the expectation that it would adhere to previous games.
This is the ultimately important point that should be highlighted: this game was advertised, almost wholly, as a return to the classic mold that the GT franchise has had well established. To the point that the multiplayer was more or less ignored as a marketing point for 99% of the game's hype build up and lead up to release, in order to push mainly the single player component.

Which, in turn, makes this...
The old CaRPG aspect of numbered GT’s had become stale. This was reflected in reviews and general player feedback.
absolutely hilarious because so much of that supposed 'CarPG aspects of numbered GT titles had become stale' line of thinking is directly because Polyphony, and specifically Kaz, has not at all bothered to actually fix the main problem aspects of the single player game since GT5 - which, it should be noted, is more then a decade old. The same old over-reliance on the chase the rabbit structure of events, and the same old reliance on a slow, moronic AI that has very little give or fight, and will screw the player over if they do decide to treat there is somewhat of a human opponent. So by that margin, of course things have gotten stale, but that's because Polyphony, and once again, specifically Kaz because he is the ultimate figurehead and point of approval for the series as a whole, has not at all bothered trying to fix it. There's a simple solution to so many of the problems that plague GT as it stands now, but both Kaz and Nathan here operate under the same general mindset: that none of the problems matter or need to be fixed because sales numbers trump all. Forgetting that bad games can be multi million sellers, and it ultimately doesn't matter because your audience will bounce off hard. Which is exactly what has happened with GT7.

It makes so much of this brow beating so frustrating and so infuriating to hear, because not only does it seem like shouting down people's worthwhile criticisms of the game with supposed facts and logic in hand, but it completely ignores the actual reality the GT franchise has found itself in over a decade's time since GT5's release, and really, in the nearly two decades since GT4's release, which is inarguably the last time GT had any sort of actually good, across the board release. Which, truth be told, seems to be the modus operandi for the hardcore set of fans on this forum, who believe that living in the past, and living high off the hog of past glories is preferable to fixing the problems that the series currently grapples with, and has had no desire to even approach to fix.
 
I already did, read above
It's a racing game, not an mmo with rpg elements with million different dialogues, weapons and hundreds of quest
You have to be very special to screw something as simple as this
Is it even a racing game? They only seem interested in “simulating” the worst parts of the sport.

Ooh! Pit strategy! Ooh! Lousy payouts that keep teams on shoestring budgets!

What happened to the sheer, unbridled joy of building 1000hp Mitsubishis and holding on for dear life around the High Speed Ring? Pushing cars to the radical limit without worrying about 5 second penalties for trying too hard? Blowing outrageous sums of money on crap cars, just knowing that you could always earn it back?

It’s been shifting in this direction for a while, but this is the first title that’s felt utterly joyless to me.
 
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Hate to break it to you guys. But GT7 is extremely popular, it has excellent word of mouth, continued great sales. And Sony are fully behind developing the franchise further.

If it’s not for you, that’s perfectly fine. I don’t spend my time on forums or social media railing against a game (and apparently the developers too). Seriously, some of this is bordering on hatred and completely irrational.

Just walk away.


Take a look outside the echo chamber of threads like this. GT7 looks increasingly likely to be the biggest selling instalment in the entire Gran Turismo franchise. With a decent chance of being the first GT to hit the 20m sales mark. Regardless of the final numbers. We’re looking at a return to form in terms of critical, mainstream player & commercial reception.
You say GT7 maybe extremely popular but only to new players, but they soon would get bored out of their brain with this game. I played GT6 every day from 2013 to 2017 because 6 had very good online events for enjoyment, like Seasonal, Drift and Tim Trials events. GT7 has not got these events that I just mentioned for online, so therefor GT7 is not a numbered game, and it is a continuation of a GT Sport type game.
GT6 did not have a good career mode back then but they did have a very good online events, to keep you playing the game for hours.

Now let's talk about GT7 there is really not to much to talk about for enjoyment for online events, and also the career mode is kind of pathetic. Which tells me they have lost the plot when it comes to developing a supposedly a numbered game. Yes people will buy it but soon lose interest, because of the lack of content online to keep them playing for hours, and the same goes for the career mode.
 
It won't even come close.

IIt has sold so far on pre-release promise. Promise that has been proven to be empty. Maybe 5 million. It will be bargain bim material by Christmas.
That's why it's always a top seller whenever there's PS5s available?

Also, mainstream media rarely covers racing games.
 
With all of its flaws, GT is a hell of a game. It has something intangible that can't be put into words. What I see is a lot of people complaining about it but still continuing to play it regardless.
Kazunori must be doing something right.
 
Sony makes GT for PlayStation. It helps to sell PlayStations.

Done

This game will never be on a PC

Funny thing about metrics, they take time. If this continues to sell, then I suppose, people don't mind being double charged, and the folks who feel scammed will just have to move on.
GT7 is in development for PC at this very moment. Every major Sony franchise will get a PC release. It looks like new GAAS titles will be day & date PS5/PC based on revenue projections.

PS, I’m not sure what all this ‘double charged’ is about. GT7 is a substantial game with monthly free content. There’s no need to spend a penny more once purchased.

The only time I've seen GT7 being featured in general media after launch was during the 30 hour maint.

There's barely anybody talking about this game on Youtube or streaming it on Twitch outside of the incredibly small racing game circle.

It's kinda sad compared to something like Forza Horizon.
GT7 had a bigger launch in the UK than FH5. Which is Forza’s biggest European market (I accept it’s also on Gamepass). 3 months on GT7 continues to place in the top 10 (multi-platform) charts. For individual PS5 sku’s it’s a mainstay in the top 5 alongside HFW.

As I mentioned up above. GT7 hasn’t yet had any discounting or bundles. HFW has just started getting them. Other recent releases like Ghostwire Tokyo (which had Sony marketing) already has a 35% discount on PSN and at retail. Last time I looked it wasn’t in the top 20.
 
We’re some 3 months from launch and GT7 remains in the top 3 PS5 rankings at many major retailers across the UK & EU. We have yet to see any discounting or official bundles. GT7 is tracking on par, if not ahead of HFW. The sequel to a title that sold over 20m. There’s also the rumoured PC GT7 release. Which could add multiple millions if (older) Sony releases are anything to go by.

You’re projecting your own (perfectly valid) views rather than acknowledging the mainstream perception of GT7. It is a highly regarded title, with strong word of mouth. The very things some in this thread criticise, IE the Cafe mode, are the aspects that are attracting a broader gaming audience.

GT Sport had strong fundamentals but was a complete turn-off for many players. Hence it was half price within a month. Which then became the official price point.

The old CaRPG aspect of numbered GT’s had become stale. This was reflected in reviews and general player feedback. You could well argue GT7 would now benefit from some substantial Championships/Events for those who have reached ‘End Game’ status. Or even just up rewards for Custom races.

But that is something very different to arguing PD have lost touch and launched a dud. When all the metrics point to the exact opposite.


Game has been reduced at Smiths and Amazon in the UK.
 
GT7 is in development for PC at this very moment.
You have no proof of this other then what you feel is obviously happening. Which it isn't.
GT7 is a substantial game with monthly free content
Once again, the game launched with more or less the same car list that GT Sport ended up with, and more or less the same track list too, barring a few nostalgia hits for both categories, and had it's endgame significantly cut back in order to piecemeal it out for supposed good will, when it absolutely could have used it in order to bolster the endgame of the campaign right from the start. How, if this is the the case, is this game 'substantial' when people are able to breeze through it, and have little reason to stick around to see that monthly content actually make an appreciable difference six months down the line?
GT7 had a bigger launch in the UK than FH5.
And how much more legs does FH5 have considering the problems it itself has? How much more confidence do you have in Playground actually being able to deliver on its promises it sets out on then Polyphony, who are keen to run their mouths, pull it back when it's obvious they have no real ability to get said feature or promise out in a reasonable time frame, and then subsequently either bring it out long after people stopped caring, in a heavily neutered capacity, or straight up bin it because it isn't worth it? This has been an issue going back to GT5's development!

Which makes all your bleating on about sales numbers and trying to go all facts and logic on us so infuriating because it is so goddamn divorced from the actual realities of the player base, and is wholly divorced from the very patterns Polyphony has followed since GT5's tortured development. And you completely ignore that every time it has been brought up.
 
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GT7 is in development for PC at this very moment.
No, it is not... You are confused or your sources are bad. Here is the most concise explanation I have found...

"However, you can download Playstation games and play through your PC. The way to do it is via remote play. What you have to do is set up remote play in your settings. When you have done this you’ll be able to play your PlayStation titles on your PC."

So you can remote play it... That's like saying they have a mobile version through remote play
PS, I’m not sure what all this ‘double charged’ is about. GT7 is a substantial game with monthly free content. There’s no need to spend a penny more once purchased.
I will help you... When the in game credits are insufficient to purchase the ingame content, you are strongly encouraged to purchase more credits. We don't all have the freedom to play tge day away.

I am currently sitting on about 3mil credits. Entering the VGT event will cost me 30% of my total. Entering the GR1 event, will be at least 50% of the remaining balance.

At every turn, they are grinding you. If you are ok with that, then the future is dim.
GT7 had a bigger launch in the UK than FH5. Which is Forza’s biggest European market (I accept it’s also on Gamepass). 3 months on GT7 continues to place in the top 10 (multi-platform) charts. For individual PS5 sku’s it’s a mainstay in the top 5 alongside HFW.
Again, a launch where no one was informed of this microtransaction direction.
As I mentioned up above. GT7 hasn’t yet had any discounting or bundles. HFW has just started getting them. Other recent releases like Ghostwire Tokyo (which had Sony marketing) already has a 35% discount on PSN and at retail. Last time I looked it wasn’t in the top 20.
Time will tell. The vital signs are weak.

I for one did not buy this game to play the same mindless SP events over and over. My PSN friends have abandoned it and Sport Mode needs a rethink, and more payout.

But you go ahead and keep enjoying it.
 
With all of its flaws, GT is a hell of a game. It has something intangible that can't be put into words. What I see is a lot of people complaining about it but still continuing to play it regardless.
Kazunori must be doing something right.
When you say with all of its flaws GT is a hell of a game, which GT game you are talking about ?. If you are talking about other GT games, well they have had it flaws over the years and have been very good for enjoyment to play. Except for a game called GT7 its a absolutely a shocker of a game.
You say people complaining about it but still continuing to play it regardless, yes they perhaps play it but not as much as they use to. I have played GT7 in the last 2 weeks but only for about 1 hour in them 14 days, compare to the GT6 days every day for hours in them 4 years.
With GT7 you get bored really quick unlike previous numbered games, and that means there is something terrible wrong with this a current game, and a poorly designed game indeed.
 
What I see is a lot of people complaining about it but still continuing to play it regardless.
I play about once per month, to see how disappointing each update is.

I'm planning on selling my copy soon. There is no hope left for this game. Maybe I'll even sell my PS5 once I'm done with the other exclusives.
 
GT7 is in development for PC at this very moment.
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That's it, I'm muting this account. You have absolutely no proof of this, just like you have no proof of your claims about the 3-4 tracks coming to GT7.

 
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That's it, I'm muting this account. You have absolutely no proof of this, just like you have no proof of your claims about the 3-4 tracks coming to GT7.

I just reported him, the staff don't like people making wild factual claims without evidence.
 
No, it is not... You are confused or your sources are bad. Here is the most concise explanation I have found...

"However, you can download Playstation games and play through your PC. The way to do it is via remote play. What you have to do is set up remote play in your settings. When you have done this you’ll be able to play your PlayStation titles on your PC."

So you can remote play it... That's like saying they have a mobile version through remote play

I will help you... When the in game credits are insufficient to purchase the ingame content, you are strongly encouraged to purchase more credits. We don't all have the freedom to play tge day away.

I am currently sitting on about 3mil credits. Entering the VGT event will cost me 30% of my total. Entering the GR1 event, will be at least 50% of the remaining balance.

At every turn, they are grinding you. If you are ok with that, then the future is dim.

Again, a launch where no one was informed of this microtransaction direction.

Time will tell. The vital signs are weak.

I for one did not buy this game to play the same mindless SP events over and over. My PSN friends have abandoned it and Sport Mode needs a rethink, and more payout.

But you go ahead and keep enjoying it.
Remote Play has been around for years. There is a PC sku of GT7 in development alongside other major titles. Returnal was listed in the SteamDB yesterday. That is another in a list of PlayStation exclusives. that where also leaked by Nvidia.


Golding Circuit Experience gives a payout of approximately 47m credits (some are easier than others). Bronze is around a third of that amount. Numerous Mission Events have multi-million payouts.
 
There is a PC sku of GT7 in development alongside other major titles.
Post proof, or get off the pot. And if you can't, well...

Golding Circuit Experience gives a payout of approximately 47m credits (some are easier than others).
One time payout. And is heavily dependent on your skill level and how much time you're willing to spend eeking out a few milliseconds to get that gold.
 
All I want is for Forza 8 and Assetto Corsa 2 to be released soon. The tons of tracks and modern cars that will be presented will serve as a parameter for the dubious and fruitless working philosophy of the PD. I think the comparative critics, especially the mass of Xbox fanboys, will do a noisy job against the current state of affairs for the Sony franchise. Nothing better than market competition to wake up to reality.
 
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I just reported him, the staff don't like people making wild factual claims without evidence.
It’s entirely upto you what you do. This is a GT enthusiasts forum. As such some are interested in future developments that others may have heard about. You can bookmark my posts and get back to me when the official announcements are made.
 
As such some are interested in future developments that others may have heard about. You can bookmark my posts and get back to me when the official announcements are made.
You have posted not a single iota of proof to back up your claims that this is all happening like you say it is. Why should we believe you when Polyphony can barely keep to a time table themselves?
 
What I see is a lot of people complaining about it but still continuing to play it regardless.
You are wrong. I am complaining and I haven't done anything for the past 3 days except one grinding race at Sardegna.
I haven't done any of the new cafe races and I don't intend to. I find them boring.

PD still hasn't fixed multiplayer and Sport mode in particular.

I agree with Gallo when he says that GT7 is-not-fun.
 
You have posted not a single iota of proof to back up your claims that this is all happening like you say it is. Why should we believe you when Polyphony can barely keep to a time table themselves?
PD delivered on their revised March 4th release date and monthly schedule. Despite many false alarms over delays and lack of news. This during a period when pretty much all AAA titles have suffered substantial delays.

So, to put it on the record.

You don’t think a new track is coming next month.

You don’t think another 3-4 tracks (including some real world ones) are in the latter stages of development.

You don’t think a couple of additional pieces of DLC are coming beyond the regular monthly updates.

You don’t think a GT7 PC sku is in development.

And on the sales front…

The general consensus is GT7 is performing poorly. Not actually on course to be one of, if not the best selling, GT instalment.

You don’t think a GT7 bundle is coming for the holiday season.

And you don’t think GT7 has been well received. Which is driving strong sales legs. Admittedly this one one is harder to quantify.

We can ✔️ those off (or not) in the coming months and see where we are.

One time payout. And is heavily dependent on your skill level and how much time you're willing to spend eeking out a few milliseconds to get that gold.
Skill level and time invested is an integral part of gaming. Some would have been caught up in the hype over Elden Ring and can’t get past the first boss.

The point is the Cafe mode offers enough to progress through that game mode. Mission’s also give healthy, one-off, payouts and are pretty interesting to play through. Circuit Experience offers substantial payouts to pick up many of the most desired cars (and tune them).
 
PD delivered on their revised March 4th release date and monthly schedule. Despite many false alarms over delays and lack of news. This during a period when pretty much all AAA titles have suffered substantial delays.

So, to put it on the record.

You don’t think a new track is coming next month.

You don’t think another 3-4 tracks (including some real world ones) are in the latter stages of development.

You don’t think a couple of additional pieces of DLC are coming beyond the regular monthly updates.

You don’t think a GT7 PC sku is in development.

And on the sales front…

The general consensus is GT7 is performing poorly. Not actually on course to be one of, if not the best selling, GT instalment.

You don’t think a GT7 bundle is coming for the holiday season.

And you don’t think GT7 has been well received. Which is driving strong sales legs. Admittedly this one one is harder to quantify.

We can ✔️ those off (or not) in the coming months and see where we are.
Anyone can make those predictions, they're not especially wild. You on the other hand keep claiming them to be factually true without providing any evidence beyond "I know someone doing localisation".

Of course if some of them don't come true you'll just go for the easy escape of "they got delayed/cancelled". If they do come true, you'll claim it as evidence you were right. It's the MO of so many online "leakers" these days. Throw enough poop, some is bound to stick.

Provide evidence, or stop making factual claims.
 
You don’t think a new track is coming next month.
I never said this.

You don’t think another 3-4 tracks (including some real world ones) are in the latter stages of development.
You said this. Not me. I don't have to prove anything in this regard, you do.

You don’t think a couple of additional pieces of DLC are coming beyond the regular monthly updates.
You have insinuated this, not me. And you have shown no proof that this is the case.

You don’t think a GT7 PC sku is in development.
You have said this. You are trying to infer via the Nvidia leaks, but you have shown no proof otherwise. This is what I am asking you to show proof for, specifically, but you decided to take this to mean everything you said.

You don’t think a GT7 bundle is coming for the holiday season.
I never said this or even thought about it.

And you don’t think GT7 has been well received. Which is driving strong sales legs. Admittedly this one one is harder to quantify.
I have said this, but the fact of the matter is we won't know any hard numbers unless Sony reveals it themselves. And besides, as I have pointed out to you, time and time again, sales numbers mean nothing in 2022, what matters more is play time and how many players the game has daily. That says a lot more about the health of a game then sales numbers.

The point is the Cafe mode offers enough to progress through that game mode.
You're insinuating a game mode which is more or less a glorified tutorial is enough, and a game mode that literally got the last third of events cut in order to piecemeal it back out is 'enough to progress', get out of here.
 
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You are wrong. I am complaining and I haven't done anything for the past 3 days except one grinding race at Sardegna.
I haven't done any of the new cafe races and I don't intend to. I find them boring.

PD still hasn't fixed multiplayer and Sport mode in particular.

I agree with Gallo when he says that GT7 is-not-fun.
See, you proved my point? Haven't touched it for 3 days (except one naughty race in Sardegna hehe 🤭)
 
What happened to the sheer, unbridled joy of building 1000hp Mitsubishis and holding on for dear life around the High Speed Ring? Pushing cars to the radical limit without worrying about 5 second penalties for trying too hard? Blowing outrageous sums of money on crap cars, just knowing that you could always earn it back?
And ignoring PD's incompetence in older GTs that all got swept in the rug? Because NoStAlGiA? Only at GT7 people seem to realize for some reason, other than GT7's existing crappy issues.
It’s been shifting in this direction for a while, but this is the first title that’s felt utterly joyless to me.
GT has been really sterile for very long time. So freaking bland compared to other titles.
I play about once per month, to see how disappointing each update is.

I'm planning on selling my copy soon. There is no hope left for this game. Maybe I'll even sell my PS5 once I'm done with the other exclusives.
PD should leave entirely for good, and stop giving racing, realism, automotive interest, art, etc, bad names. And including those overrated older games too, due to how often they're used as representative of console racing games, all with the inept design choices attached.
All I want is for Forza 8 and Assetto Corsa 2 to be released soon. The tons of tracks and modern cars that will be presented will serve as a parameter for the dubious and fruitless working philosophy of the PD. I think the comparative critics, especially the mass of Xbox fanboys, will do a noisy job against the current state of affairs for the Sony franchise. Nothing better than market competition to wake up to reality.
PD was lucky that those proper developers didn't start their move at PS1 era.
 
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