GT7 has failed to be Gran Turismo

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Remote Play has been around for years. There is a PC sku of GT7 in development alongside other major titles. Returnal was listed in the SteamDB yesterday. That is another in a list of PlayStation exclusives. that where also leaked by Nvidia
Exclusives and First Party titles are not the same thing. Exusive titles are simply contractual deals with third parties.
That is not Sony. That is a third party title. Once their exclusivity expires, they can do as they wish.

PD is first party. They are Sony.
Golding Circuit Experience gives a payout of approximately 47m credits (some are easier than others). Bronze is around a third of that amount. Numerous Mission Events have multi-million payouts.
Oh, I see. My mistake.

I assumed that the game I have been playing online since 2008 would continue in its online focus. I see now that I have been in error and that I should be happy to go play by myself after 14 years of meeting real people and interacting.

I have made real friends through GT. Fine, they are at a a distance, but we follow each other's lives. "Mr. White", Patrick Sturdivant, was one. We spoke about personal things in lobbies all the time. I was genuinely hurt when he passed away. We were actually friends.

No AI or single player will ever provide that experience.

But, let's chat about the economy. First, they shut down the server to reduce payouts. Now they fix the Tommahwak exploit, to reduce payouts, and they simply reduced payouts of custom races. Lastly, the most popular game mode of the last five years has dismal payouts

So, I either play mind numbing, completely predictable single player, over and over and over, OR, I buy credits.
 
PD has officially joined the category with EA.

Once the hero capable of producing fun, engaging games. Now has became a greedy, lazy, and unfocused brand.

It looks to me that PD has officially lost its way. They don't seem to have a focus... They are losing a massive amount of players and I'm truly afraid they've dug their own grave. Due to how bad they have burned their fans with their incompetence, I don't think they'll ever repeat the numbers they had in the golden days.

Sad. I really wanted this game to be the modernization of the classic GT we all once loved.
Stop being nostalgic, in racing genre EA was the abomination that took Porsche away from every racing games but their made including GT. They've been greedy since forever, because it's done so they must buy EA games to drive a Porsche.

And PD never lost its way, they're always like this since the beginning part of the series, but of course the older games' issues and inept design choices are swept under the rug by players. They're just feeding further into PD's delusion, rubbing salt in the wound (not that PD is only made delusional due to players' reception). What's with giving free pass to GT3 removing menu and License shortcut, while crucify only GT7 for doing that? Though somehow people only got outraged about it now, how PD works is now exposed. GT was never that good and always got too much credit.
They should have given GT to Evolution Studios, we would have the best racing game ever, no kidding.
Just another nostalgic view 😴, ignoring Driveclub's thrashing at their launch. Though GT and PD were responsible of killing off Evolution Studios due to the racing exclusive NoT BeInG GT too.
 
Exclusives and First Party titles are not the same thing. Exusive titles are simply contractual deals with third parties.

That is not Sony. That is a third party title. Once their exclusivity expires, they can do as they wish.

PD is first party. They are Sony.
Housemarque are now Sony 1st Party.

In the last 12 months we’ve had PC releases from Guerrilla, Bend & SSM. Uncharted Collection from ND will be in the next month or so. Sony even purchased Nixxies to help with porting.


With such a ramp up in PC revenue it’s clear many more titles are coming.

 
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Housemarque are now Sony 1st Party.

In the last 12 months we’ve had PC releases from Guerrilla, Bend & SSM. Uncharted Collection from ND will be in the next month or so. Sony even purchased Nixxies to help with porting.


With such a ramp up in PC revenue it’s clear many more titles are coming.

And each one of those games has outlived its life on PlayStation.

This is different revenue stream. So, games that no longer make money on the PlayStation get ported to PC to try and gain some more money.

If GT7 is heading to PC now, that's a very bad thing, not a good thing. It reinforces my point, not yours.
 
Right. I've been noticing lots of comments and reactions lately and I thought I'd chime in.

First of all -- let me be clear -- I completely understand some of the criticism for GT7 lately; bugs, lobbies not working, the economy concerns, etc. Some are valid.

However, I have to say -- the amount of hyperbole is downright laughable. GT7, imo, has the potential to be the best Gran Turismo by a country mile. I think Nostalgia is working overtime here. GT7 drives better, sounds better, has a more coherent campaign and looks better than any other previous GT.

Sports mode is still an absolute blast with niggles that will be ironed out.

GT7 in its current state is probably the 2nd best in the series after Sport. Iron out the online bugs and it easily takes the crown.
 
GT7, imo, has the potential to be the best Gran Turismo by a country mile.
potential being the keyword, and it sure hasn't shown any potential in the first three months of release, or even any time before launch either.

GT7 drives better
To the point where they made major changes to the physics system in order to not have cars like a Miata and a GT86 snap oversteer like a Shelby Cobra?

sounds better
I'll give you that for sure.

has a more coherent campaign
The same campaign that they lopped off the back half of in order to piecemeal it out in a 6 month span?

and looks better than any other previous GT.
Not hard to do when graphics are about the only thing that Polyphony bothers to work on game over game.
 
potential being the keyword, and it sure hasn't shown any potential in the first three months of release, or even any time before launch either.


To the point where they made major changes to the physics system in order to not have cars like a Miata and a GT86 snap oversteer like a Shelby Cobra?


I'll give you that for sure.


The same campaign that they lopped off the back half of in order to piecemeal it out in a 6 month span?


Not hard to do when graphics are about the only thing that Polyphony bothers to work on game over game.
The current state of the physics are the best they've ever been. I agree the issue with FR cars was annoying but it got remedied. I stand by the career structure. Payouts aside (amended also). the Menu book is a really clever way to slowly introduce content so the players experience as much of it as possible. the no holding hands, the player can do as he/she pleases.
 
To me, it’s always been and will always be Kaz’ Gran Turismo. To me, Gran Turismo was like Crash Bandicoot and Tomb Raider. Those solo player games I got to explore in my own world.
The game is still Gran Turismo. Kaz has provided the option now, to let other people share their individual worlds.

I have to bring up that World Tour Event, again. The one where he forgot players enjoyed and still played the past games so much. It’s his vision. I have no idea what he’s trying to add to the series, enhance in the series. What seeds he’s planted for this live service stuff. The GT community voiced the concerns and he Seems like he’s panicking.
Dunno, maybe if he stuck to his guns and kept the burn it to the ground mantra. The game might be more focused like Assetto Corsa and Project Cars. This Gran Turismo, is all over the place.
 
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And each one of those games has outlived its life on PlayStation.

This is different revenue stream. So, games that no longer make money on the PlayStation get ported to PC to try and gain some more money.

If GT7 is heading to PC now, that's a very bad thing, not a good thing. It reinforces my point, not yours.
The PC port was included in the Nvidia leak 6 months before GT7 launched. Alongside HFW, Demons Souls, Ratchet & Clank, Returnal and numerous other yet to be announced titles. That list has only been added to with various GAAS announcements which are expected to be day & date.

There’s plenty of data & evidence GT7 is performing extremely well on PSN and at retail. No need to jump to conclusions. It’s clear Sony have put a lot of investment into GT7’s marketing and are looking to expand the franchises reach. Not least with the movie/TV plans.

You would think GT7 will also be part of Sony’s PSVR2 plans. Perhaps we’ll get more details in the upcoming State of Play.
 
Right. I've been noticing lots of comments and reactions lately and I thought I'd chime in.

First of all -- let me be clear -- I completely understand some of the criticism for GT7 lately; bugs, lobbies not working, the economy concerns, etc. Some are valid.

However, I have to say -- the amount of hyperbole is downright laughable. GT7, imo, has the potential to be the best Gran Turismo by a country mile. I think Nostalgia is working overtime here. GT7 drives better, sounds better, has a more coherent campaign and looks better than any other previous GT.

Sports mode is still an absolute blast with niggles that will be ironed out.

GT7 in its current state is probably the 2nd best in the series after Sport. Iron out the online bugs and it easily takes the crown.
I have played all the other GT numbered games and GT7 is by far the worst game from the series, and there is a lot of content missing from this supposedly to be a numbered game. If PD kept along the lines of previous GT numbered games, then I would definitely still be playing this game into the future.

GT7 online Sport Mode is so dreadful as GT Sport was, and GT Sport was not numbered game. Fans want a true numbered game to have that enjoyment, but PD kept a long the lines of GT Sport which is definitely the wrong idea.

Why PD stayed with a GT Sport type game is beyond disbelief and they should have used their brains, to keep it on the path of a numbered game, instead they definitely went in the wrong direction with GT7.

I never thought of doing this is selling my PS5 digital version so in anyone that lives in Adelaide that wants a PS5, just PM me.
 
potential being the keyword, and it sure hasn't shown any potential in the first three months of release, or even any time before launch either.
I think there is potential.
To the point where they made major changes to the physics system in order to not have cars like a Miata and a GT86 snap oversteer like a Shelby Cobra?
This has been fixed though. As it stands right now, GT7's physics are very good and provide a decent amount of realism. It's closer to a "real driving simulator" than ever before.
Not hard to do when graphics are about the only thing that Polyphony bothers to work on game over game.
So the work they've done on the engine sounds, the physics, the livery editor and the customisation doesn't count?
 
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the Menu book is a really clever way to slowly introduce content so the players experience as much of it as possible. the no holding hands, the player can do as he/she pleases.
The problem being that after the introduction there is...nothing. The single player game just ends after the cafe mode intro, they forgot to add the racing career alongside/after the car collecting.

Oh and no, the menu books skip over a huge amount of content, both cars and tracks.
 
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and looks better than any other previous GT.
Irrelevant praise. Pointing out "gOoD gRaPhIcS" in a terrible game would raise vitrol for a good reason. And GT7's raindrops in the windshield loses to an 8 year old game anyway. Pathetic as usual even in the field "tHeY bOtHeR tO wOrK".
To me, it’s always been and will always be Kaz’ Gran Turismo. To me, Gran Turismo was like Crash Bandicoot and Tomb Raider. Those solo player games I got to explore in my own world.
The game is still Gran Turismo. Kaz has provided the option now, to let other people share their individual worlds.

I have to bring up that World Tour Event, again. The one where he forgot players enjoyed and still played the past games so much. It’s his vision. I have no idea what he’s trying to add to the series, enhance in the series. What seeds he’s planted for this live service stuff. The GT community voiced the concerns and he Seems like he’s panicking.
Dunno, maybe if he stuck to his guns and kept the burn it to the ground mantra. The game might be more focused like Assetto Corsa and Project Cars. This Gran Turismo, is all over the place.
Don't use 'his vision' as an excuse. You think because he's the game producer he can never be at fault for his choices? Then any games should never be criticized because everything in it is the producer's personal choices? If he's panicking actually it's a little better (still terrible), rather than him living in his own bubbles and being caught in his delusion.

The World Tour Event is also useless because GT gets too much credit even in older games and Kaz would of course bring that up again, with only people here knowing that it'd be a terrible thing, because past GTs get too much free pass regarding PD's inept choices.
CBH
Why PD stayed with a GT Sport type game is beyond disbelief and they should have used their brains, to keep it on the path of a numbered game, instead they definitely went in the wrong direction with GT7.
PD living in their own bubbles and either focusing on irrelevant stuff or pulling something nobody wanted is not new, it has been done since forever, and of course that's swept under the rug if it's the past games. The past is no excuse to make terrible AI (that is covered by rubberbanding, while now it's by chase the rebbit), yet PD cranks up the tediousness in GT3 by spamming Test Course races instead, and in GT4 would rather focus on Photo Mode instead or adding unnecessary number of License tests.
 
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Irrelevant praise. Pointing out "gOoD gRaPhIcS" in a terrible game would raise vitrol for a good reason. And GT7's raindrops in the windshield loses to an 8 year old game anyway. Pathetic as usual even in the field "tHeY bOtHeR tO wOrK".

Don't use 'his vision' as an excuse. You think because he's the game producer he can never be at fault for his choices? Then any games should never be criticized because everything in it is the producer's personal choices? If he's panicking actually it's a little better (still terrible), rather than him living in his own bubbles and being caught in his delusion.

The World Tour Event is also useless because GT gets too much credit even in older games and Kaz would of course bring that up again, with only people here knowing that it'd be a terrible thing, because past GTs get too much free pass regarding PD's inept choices.

PD living in their own bubbles and either focusing on irrelevant stuff or pulling something nobody wanted is not new, it has been done since forever, and of course that's swept under the rug if it's the past games. The past is no excuse to make terrible AI (that is covered by rubberbanding, while now it's by chase the rebbit), yet PD cranks up the tediousness in GT3 by spamming Test Course races instead, and in GT4 would rather focus on Photo Mode instead or adding unnecessary number of License tests.
What are you talking about? He admitted he dropped the ball, with him forgetting the past games. The man said it. He royally stuffed up with this game and is paying the price.

I just said, in my post you quoted, I have no idea what the heck he’s thinking.

How am I making an excuse for him? It’s HIS game. Not yours. Not mine. I paid my $154.

After all these years and posts I’ve made, you think I gave him a pass on this game? Where the hell am I saying he can’t be criticised?
 
Since the game was called GT7 I expected it to be a sequel to GT6.

I have played all the GT games except for GT Sport (.I played the beta but didn’t purchase the game because I wanted a single player game). I thought all the previous GT games were excellent but I regret my purchase of GT7.

It should have been called GT Sport 2 or GT 2022, anything except GT7 in which case I wouldn’t have pre-ordered the game.

With the exception of Trial Mountain and Deep Forest all the original tracks in GT6 are gone.


The number of events are drastically reduced.


The number of cars is reduced from over 1,200 to under 500 and some are only available on a rotational basis in a blatant attempt to push micro transactions.


In GT6 all the cars were available for purchase all of the time thus removing the need to chase credits.

The time trials in GT6 usually allowed tuning with an occasional trial using a stock car.

I am an average driver, using a controller and auto transmission but I enjoyed tuning and this allowed me to be reasonably competitive. BOP time trials do not interest me and there should be one tuned plus one BOP so players can have a choice.

There were weekly seasonal races with good repeatable payouts for cars below 600PP
This is an example from 2017
Expert Level Ferrari Challenge

  • Ascari Full Track
  • Normal cars, 550PP Max, Sports/Medium compounds or less
  • Gold: 684,000cr; Silver: 411,000cr, Bronze: 342,000cr
  • Gift: Gold: Ferrari 365 GTB4 ’71
  • Silver: Matte Orange paint chip
  • Bronze: GT PASTELTONE 009-W paint chip
My current method of grinding credits is the 30 mins Le Sarthe race which I do once or twice a day then turn the game off.

The UI for selecting events is awful. To do any event on multiple circuits you have to do a world tour and go hunting for it. Why not just have a list of events and tracks as they did in previous GT games. Of course this would also highlight how few events there actually are.

In GT 6 you could unlock the races in in Championships to be done as single races once the Championship had been completed. This feature has vanished. I would like to do the last races at Nordschleife from the WTC 700 and 800 championships but have no wish to do the preceding ones. Adding this feature would instantly increase the number of single races available.

In GT6 you could save and load your best laps for the track time trials, which was useful for tuning. Another feature that has vanished along with the Data Logger.

The AI seems to be no better and cars routinely crash into the back of me. No idea if this removes the clean race bonus since there is no indication plus they should just remove it from events and increase all payouts by 50%. I can see its use in online racing but not against AI cars.

As for custom races, apart from the terrible payouts you can not filter on Country, Manufacturer, Date of Build, PP, Tyres or anything useful except Gr1 etc.
If I want to do an American 70s muscle car race I have to select them from my garage. Far too time consuming to be worth the effort.

I prefer to upgrade and race road cars in the 400 - 600 PP range and this was fine in the previous GT games but GT7 seems to have a bigger emphasis on race cars which is presumably a carry over from GT Sport.

In conclusion this game should not have been called GT7 because it does not feel like a a sequel to GT6 unlike the previous games in the series that felt like a natural progression. It is also the last GT game I will purchase.
 
The number of cars is reduced from over 1,200 to under 500 and some are only available on a rotational basis in a blatant attempt to push micro transactions.
How tf is this something to be praised for GT6, and bash GT7 with? So you're actually supporting PD adding PS2 pixel cars? The 1200 number is done because majority of the cars are merely PS2 cars, there are only 447 Premium Cars, not much different from GT7 one starting with 424.
In GT6 all the cars were available for purchase all of the time thus removing the need to chase credits.
And that is accomplished by removing Used Cars (and even GT3 didn't have all cars available) of which people long for it returning, so GT has always made cars not available to purchase, and that those are titles usually more highly regarded than GT6, but of course you're willfully ignorant about it, except the GT7 one.
There were weekly seasonal races with good repeatable payouts for cars below 600PP
This is an example from 2017
Expert Level Ferrari Challenge

  • Ascari Full Track
  • Normal cars, 550PP Max, Sports/Medium compounds or less
  • Gold: 684,000cr; Silver: 411,000cr, Bronze: 342,000cr
  • Gift: Gold: Ferrari 365 GTB4 ’71
  • Silver: Matte Orange paint chip
  • Bronze: GT PASTELTONE 009-W paint chip
My current method of grinding credits is the 30 mins Le Sarthe race which I do once or twice a day then turn the game off.
If GT7 is rightfully bashed for its launch state then GT6, or any other games should also be bashed for its launch state too. Those seasonal updates were later update, and that game overall had many promises that were neglected and never actually fulfilled due to PD's incompetence, don't give them the pass with GT7 as exception. Updates don't matter because nobody seems to learn from the launch state to repeat it in the next launch, so better evaluate only the launch.
The UI for selecting events is awful. To do any event on multiple circuits you have to do a world tour and go hunting for it. Why not just have a list of events and tracks as they did in previous GT games. Of course this would also highlight how few events there actually are.
And for the UI outside events, those older GTs pulled something like GT4, where you have to go back and hunt different country to get into specific car brands? That is acceptable while GT7 is not? 💩
In conclusion this game should not have been called GT7 because it does not feel like a a sequel to GT6 unlike the previous games in the series that felt like a natural progression. It is also the last GT game I will purchase.
In conclusion you're biased regarding older games to ignore any issues and design choices there that those are also never as good as they're seen, GT7 is worse, but the choices in older games are just exposed in GT7, because the older games are given free pass.
 
The 1200 number is done because majority of the cars are merely PS2 cars, there are only 447 Premium Cars, not much different from GT7 one starting with 424.
I absolutely believe 1,200 is just too much to ask, but weren't those premium cars supposed to be future-proof? Surely by now we should have most of those, and many more on top of it? Comparing only with premium cars, we still have less than GT6.
 
And each one of those games has outlived its life on PlayStation.

This is different revenue stream. So, games that no longer make money on the PlayStation get ported to PC to try and gain some more money.

If GT7 is heading to PC now, that's a very bad thing, not a good thing. It reinforces my point, not yours.
Yeah, and if that's the case then people would have to buy a PC, but I don't think anything will happen. The hard thing is we have to accept what PD provided for us in gt7 in which some of the features are not that great.
 
Since the game was called GT7 I expected it to be a sequel to GT6.

I have played all the GT games except for GT Sport (.I played the beta but didn’t purchase the game because I wanted a single player game). I thought all the previous GT games were excellent but I regret my purchase of GT7.

It should have been called GT Sport 2 or GT 2022, anything except GT7 in which case I wouldn’t have pre-ordered the game.

With the exception of Trial Mountain and Deep Forest all the original tracks in GT6 are gone.


The number of events are drastically reduced.


The number of cars is reduced from over 1,200 to under 500 and some are only available on a rotational basis in a blatant attempt to push micro transactions.


In GT6 all the cars were available for purchase all of the time thus removing the need to chase credits.

The time trials in GT6 usually allowed tuning with an occasional trial using a stock car.

I am an average driver, using a controller and auto transmission but I enjoyed tuning and this allowed me to be reasonably competitive. BOP time trials do not interest me and there should be one tuned plus one BOP so players can have a choice.

There were weekly seasonal races with good repeatable payouts for cars below 600PP
This is an example from 2017
Expert Level Ferrari Challenge

  • Ascari Full Track
  • Normal cars, 550PP Max, Sports/Medium compounds or less
  • Gold: 684,000cr; Silver: 411,000cr, Bronze: 342,000cr
  • Gift: Gold: Ferrari 365 GTB4 ’71
  • Silver: Matte Orange paint chip
  • Bronze: GT PASTELTONE 009-W paint chip
My current method of grinding credits is the 30 mins Le Sarthe race which I do once or twice a day then turn the game off.

The UI for selecting events is awful. To do any event on multiple circuits you have to do a world tour and go hunting for it. Why not just have a list of events and tracks as they did in previous GT games. Of course this would also highlight how few events there actually are.

In GT 6 you could unlock the races in in Championships to be done as single races once the Championship had been completed. This feature has vanished. I would like to do the last races at Nordschleife from the WTC 700 and 800 championships but have no wish to do the preceding ones. Adding this feature would instantly increase the number of single races available.

In GT6 you could save and load your best laps for the track time trials, which was useful for tuning. Another feature that has vanished along with the Data Logger.

The AI seems to be no better and cars routinely crash into the back of me. No idea if this removes the clean race bonus since there is no indication plus they should just remove it from events and increase all payouts by 50%. I can see its use in online racing but not against AI cars.

As for custom races, apart from the terrible payouts you can not filter on Country, Manufacturer, Date of Build, PP, Tyres or anything useful except Gr1 etc.
If I want to do an American 70s muscle car race I have to select them from my garage. Far too time consuming to be worth the effort.

I prefer to upgrade and race road cars in the 400 - 600 PP range and this was fine in the previous GT games but GT7 seems to have a bigger emphasis on race cars which is presumably a carry over from GT Sport.

In conclusion this game should not have been called GT7 because it does not feel like a a sequel to GT6 unlike the previous games in the series that felt like a natural progression. It is also the last GT game I will purchase.

I'm with you. There's a very clear lack of effort put in to this GT. I only wish I purchased the physical copy so I could have got a refund. I absolutely wanted to within hours of installing it.
 
I don’t think this gt is failure, it lacks content yes, but i would not say gt6 was better, yes it had more cars, but when so many of them souded terrible, and customization aspect is very much improved in gt7, now you can use the racing exhaust without your cars sounding absolute trash like it did in previous games,
This game however has some way to go before it is where it needs yo be, career events is proably the most dissapointing aspect of the game in my my opinion, it still has pontential to be the best gran turismo game yet, but as for now they are some way to get there, but in a year or 2 it will proably feel like its getting there, might be good idea to drop it for a few months to 6 months, so they are something Nice to come back to
 
I absolutely believe 1,200 is just too much to ask, but weren't those premium cars supposed to be future-proof? Surely by now we should have most of those, and many more on top of it? Comparing only with premium cars, we still have less than GT6.
They aren't actually future proof, because PD is inherently inept from the get go.

They never know that there's no realistic way anyone can build an optimised model of anything that won't be outdated in dozens of years ahead, when it's impossible to know what additional features will be required then. 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ "Future proof" is a myth.

They also were the developers that didn't know something called OUTSOURCING, trying to do anything in-house.

And they can't be swayed anyway for FuTuRe PrOoF, ignoring other methods like middle ground between quality and quantity, or other stuff like pushing 1080p instead of the sensible 720p, etc..

Other developers actually release great games within PS3 architecture. PD as a first party Sony studio should has enormous budget, but they're bumbling dumbasses. PD should be scrapped long time ago, or everyone not giving free pass on PD in their older games too (GT7 is worse but some of that is also rooted on the older game's choices that is swept under the rug, GT was never that good) so they're rightfully shot down since long ago.
 
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And that is accomplished by removing Used Cars (and even GT3 didn't have all cars available) of which people long for it returning, so GT has always made cars not available to purchase, and that those are titles usually more highly regarded than GT6, but of course you're willfully ignorant about it, except the GT7 one.
Previous games didn't have microtransactions. They were introduced in GT6 but there was no need to purchase any since credits were freely available. The legendary car dealership could have all the cars available all the time but this would reduce the purchase of microtransactions. The used car dealership is not a problem because of the lower prices.
In conclusion you're biased regarding older games to ignore any issues and design choices there that those are also never as good as they're seen, GT7 is worse, but the choices in older games are just exposed in GT7, because the older games are given free pass.
I never said GT6 was perfect, but it at least it was complete and had many more events than GT7. The seasonal events were not available at launch but they came out within a few weeks. I played GT6 every day until they shut down the online seasonal events, I doubt if I will do the same with GT7
And for the UI outside events, those older GTs pulled something like GT4, where you have to go back and hunt different country to get into specific car brands? That is acceptable while GT7 is not? 💩
I was comparing GT7 to GT6 not GT4. If I buy a car I dont expect to spend ages looking for events. A simple event / track list is far easier to use. All they need to do is add another icon to the world map for events. It would also help us count them. At the moment I have no idea how many distinct events there are but its a lot less than GT6.

The original question was "is GT7 Gran Turismo". Regardless of how good or bad the game is I think GT Sport 2 or GT ? is a more apt title than GT7.
 
They should have waited till the end of 2022, and tried to make the online mode more fun and not so brutal and at least tried to make the custom race section have more credits earned based on the number of laps and difficulty. Sony probably rushed PD on getting the game out to us. So technically Sony is to blame for some of this.

And some of the cars are way too expensive, I mean a single player would have to do hundreds or thousanda of races b/c of the limited rewards/money.
 
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Right. I've been noticing lots of comments and reactions lately and I thought I'd chime in.

First of all -- let me be clear -- I completely understand some of the criticism for GT7 lately; bugs, lobbies not working, the economy concerns, etc. Some are valid.

However, I have to say -- the amount of hyperbole is downright laughable. GT7, imo, has the potential to be the best Gran Turismo by a country mile. I think Nostalgia is working overtime here. GT7 drives better, sounds better, has a more coherent campaign and looks better than any other previous GT.

Sports mode is still an absolute blast with niggles that will be ironed out.

GT7 in its current state is probably the 2nd best in the series after Sport. Iron out the online bugs and it easily takes the crown.
There are legitimate complaints and perfectly valid discussions to be had.

But we’ve hit a point where labelling devs incompetent & lazy has been normalised. Demanding hard working people lose their jobs and studios shut down is another low point. Labelling reviewers paid shills, calling people fools for purchasing a title, all now part of the general discourse on this thread.

All this in a period when the games industry is suffering huge delays & challenges. While PD delivered their best received title in a decade. A title that’s proving to be one of the biggest sales successes of the year.

Each to their own I guess. But I do expect better from a site with the reputation & influence of GT Planet.
 
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I don't understand.

Since Prologue, Gran Turismo is as much an online game as it is offline. Offline is merely the means to gain cars for online.

The original 4 GTs were just about getting the cars from the races. Completing hour long races, or 24 hour races, allowed you to gain cars that were unavailable otherwise.

This isn't the real world. Car rarity in the game has to come some other way. Yes, ok, fine, the GT5 hacking issue changed many things. But now that the game is online, and hacking it is a thing of the past, why not go back to cars being rare through achievements?

But what about online? What about this community that grew strong through online interactions? Why has that been thrown under the bus? I truly expected something exciting in the online portion of the game. Instead, we've got an MTX fiasco, broken and feature sparse lobbies, and an "as you were" Sport Mode.

No, this isn't Gran Turismo at all. Gran Turismo has been an innovative title with every iteration. GT7 does some things well, but those are repaired features or long missing features at best. They have not innovated at all.
 
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Theis Gran Turismo doesn’t do everything well. We have the tools. More tools than ever, but the execution is not maximised.

We have infinite possibilities to customise a race, but can’t save and tweak certain detailed settings.

We have livery editor, but some of the functions are limited for the experts.

We have events, but as complaints show, many have no theme to utilise the full car list.

It’s very much a Gran Turismo game. Some players use their imagination to replicate some awesome liveries, races/events, with what’s provided. Some players miss the progression of the past games and some are looking for PD to move forward with the franchise.

Some don’t see this as a good game and others see the game’s potential.

The crux of a Gran Turismo game, allows players to buy a real world car. Race, tune and collect. That’s what GT7 allows players to do. It IS a Gran Turismo game. No matter the flaws.
 
I don't understand.

Since Prologue, Gran Turismo is as much an online game as it is offline. Offline is merely the means to gain cars for online.

The original 4 GTs were just about getting the cars from the races. Completing hour long races, or 24 hour races, allowed you to gain cars that were unavailable otherwise.

This isn't the real world. Car rarity in the game has to come some other way. Yes, ok, fine, the GT5 hacking issue changed many things. But now that the game is online, and hacking it is a thing of the past, why not go back to cars being rare through achievements?

But what about online? What about this community that grew strong through online interactions? Why has that been thrown under the bus? I truly expected something exciting in the online portion of the game. Instead, we've got an MTX fiasco, broken and feature sparse lobbies, and an "as you were" Sport Mode.

No, this isn't Gran Turismo at all. Gran Turismo has been an innovative title with every iteration. GT7 does some things well, but those are repaired features or long missing features at best. They have not innovated at all.
Disagree on innovation. The weather simulation is even superior to F1 series and that's a very focused game with the full feature set of the F1 racing series.

On the other hand, I can see your point. Personally I think the VGTs should have been among the rare prize cars. A Tomahawk X doesn't make sense as a 1 million purchase. The car is, for the lack of a better word, crazy. It defeats everything in the game. Thus, it needs to be difficult to get.

The rest needs to be worked out with PD and they will experience the consequences of their reactions to the requests.
 
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