GTP Cool Wall: 1970 Monteverdi Hai 450 SS

[Joey D]

People don't like wire wheels? What is this place and why is it full of heathens?

 

[AnthonyD1993]

I love wire wheels. To me, they make most cars a whole lot cooler.

 

[JMoney]

Exactly, 1970. Manufacturers don't suddenly input brand new design schemes on the midnight of the new decade.

This isn't forming an opinion, this is called nitpicking.

If there isn't any wrong when it comes to beauty being in the eye of the beholder, you can't ask someone to give you 5 reasons why it's not ugly in contrast to yours because he won't be "wrong". Esp. not when one of your reasons are door handles.

What do all those cars have in common for tail lights? 4 skinny horizontal rectangles, or 4 plus of short, fat, vertical rectangles.

How am I supposed to form an opinion if I can't consider every aspect of the car? That interior looks idiotic, by the way.

All of the muscle cars you posted had taillights that all looks interesting and different from each other. The Monteverdi's look boring. They would have looked better if they had looked more like the Charger's.

Wire wheels.

Which ruins that car's appearance. The Miura is not a grand tourer.

 

[Tornado]

How am I supposed to form an opinion if I can't consider every aspect of the car?

You mean like what year it was built when talking about whether there were any contemporaries with similar design features?

 

[JMoney]

You mean like what year it was built when talking about whether there were any contemporaries with similar design features?

Wire wheels look equally bad on contemporary cars.

 

[Tornado]

Well, not only is that a completely different argument from the one you originally claimed, but let's examine that a bit:

What should that have instead?



I ordinarily wouldn't call this "contemporary" to a car built in 1970, but the only concession to what that means is "not made in the 1940s", so what about this:

What about this car made through the start of the 1970s:

Here's one a bit more directly related:

What exactly was the cutoff point where wire wheels became hideously anachronistic and slotted mags became the de facto requirement?

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

What exactly was the cutoff point where wire wheels became hideously anachronistic and slotted mags became the de facto requirement?

I'm going to place my bet on "1940".

 

[JMoney]

Some cars from the 60's can pull off wire wheels, like the DB5, but eventually the styling of the era didn't match. There is no "exact cutoff date", but I would say that the 40's were the last decade where the majority of cars looked good with them.

 

[Slash]

Wire wheels make anything look like a grandma's car.

 

[mustang fanatic]

Completely off topic, but I see a Boss 429 in the background.

 

[McLaren]

How am I supposed to form an opinion if I can't consider every aspect of the car? That interior looks idiotic, by the way.

To the point you take into account door handles?

That's like me saying the F-Type is ugly because I can't see the door handles to know how to get in it. That's not forming an opinion on the design, that's just nitpicking as mentioned before.

All of the muscle cars you posted had taillights that all looks interesting and different from each other. The Monteverdi's look boring. They would have looked better if they had looked more like the Charger's.

Not a bull's **** chance in hell they do. 2 of them are the exact same; 10 vertical rectangles in a bumper.

Looked like Charger's? There's no way those taillights would have fit anymore than what they threw on there begin with.

Which ruins that car's appearance. The Miura is not a grand tourer.

Wire wheels don't automatically equal grand tourer. What they do to the Miura is bring a little bit more elegance to the design; it looks like something that would sit perfect next an GTO or an E-Type.

Some cars from the 60's can pull off wire wheels, like the DB5, but eventually the styling of the era didn't match. There is no "exact cutoff date", but I would say that the 40's were the last decade where the majority of cars looked good with them.

If the 40's were the cutoff date, why did so many manufacturers continue with them? Or I guess you knew better than Bizzarrini, Scaglietti, Sayer, or Fioravanti when they were designing their cars & the wire wheels became synonymous with them. Even Cobras originally had wire wheels.

Wire wheels make anything look like a grandma's car.

You're an encyclopedia of ignorance to automotive world outside the US, aren't you?

 

[JMoney]

Here we go with the ignorance whining again...

Not a bull's **** chance in hell they do. 2 of them are the exact same; 10 vertical rectangles in a bumper.

Really? Care t specify which ones? I don't see it. 'Cause if we are only looking at the shapes and numbers, then that must mean the C4 Corvette, C5 Corvette, most Ferrari's from the 90's up to the F430, and the Diablo all have the exact same taillights.

Looked like Charger's? There's no way those taillights would have fit anymore than what they threw on there begin with.

That doesn't make any sense...

To the point you take into account door handles?

That's like me saying the F-Type is ugly because I can't see the door handles to know how to get in it. That's not forming an opinion on the design, that's just nitpicking as mentioned before.

Lots of people I know don't like the Nissan 350Z's door handles. Why are people not allowed to look at door handles when viewing a car? That's like saying a house cannot be viewed negatively if it has a pink door.

 

[mustang fanatic]

You're an encyclopedia of ignorance to automotive world outside the US, aren't you?

How is an opinion ignorant?

 

[McLaren]

Really? Care t specify which ones? I don't see it. 'Cause if we are only looking at the shapes and numbers, then that must mean the C4 Corvette, C5 Corvette, most Ferrari's from the 90's up to the F430, and the Diablo all have the exact same taillights.

It's the 2 have that ten tail lamps thrown on the rear. Hell, one actually has twelve.

What other cars have is irrelevant. You said they look different & interesting from each other. Yes, 4 red rectangles lined up with a white one is completely different from the car that has 4 red rectangles with a white one. The only difference is placement & an extra white tail lamp. Yes, that's definitely more interesting than the other car.

That doesn't make any sense...

You think a Charger's tail lamps would have flowed better than the OEM ones. They wouldn't.

Lots of people I know don't like the Nissan 350Z's door handles. Why are people not allowed to look at door handles when viewing a car? That's like saying a house cannot be viewed negatively if it has a pink door.

Because that's the stupidest thing to judge a car's design by.

You can change a door on a house. You can't change the door handles on a car. Like your poor example, a car or a house's overall design is not judged on such miniscule things.

How is an opinion ignorant?

Race car.

Grandma's car.

You kids throw around the word opinion as if it gives you the right to say anything stupid & not be called out for it.


In my opinion, the Middle East should be nuked to kill the terrorists. You tell me that's not an ignorant opinion.

 

[Zenith]

How is an opinion ignorant?

If it's ignorant. Opinions can be ignorant.

 

[mustang fanatic]

If it's ignorant. Opinions can be ignorant.

And... If you think wire wheels look bad on cars, that would be ignorant?

Just like if I thought the Miura was the ugliest car in the world?

 

[JMoney]

You kids

You want to talk about the car, or talk down to us and call us ignorant kids?

And yes, the door handles on the 350Z are terrible, and I have every right to judge it's design and take into consideration those door handles. The 350Z's exterior design is so good it's nearly perfect, but it is ruined by the door handles. Just like there are many small reasons why the Monteverdi looks bad. You can't just ignore the reasons and say they aren't important enough. If they are a part of the car's design, they affect the car's design.

 

[McLaren]

You want to talk about the car, or talk down to us and call us ignorant kids?

I am talking about the car.

Kids or not, the 3 of you make incredibly ignorant statements that you hide behind the word "opinions" about cars you either don't like or don't know of as if it's a free pass.

And yes, the door handles on the 350Z are terrible, and I have every right to judge it's design and take into consideration those door handles. The 350Z's exterior design is so good it's nearly perfect, but it is ruined by the door handles. Just like there are many small reasons why the Monteverdi looks bad. You can't just ignore the reasons and say they aren't important enough. If they are a part of the car's design, they affect the car's design.

Using a 350Z's door handles as way to claim the design is ruined is nitpicking. End of story.

 

[Slash]

Small changes like door handles no matter how subtle can make or break a vehicle.

 

[Cano]

And wire wheels? It's 1970, not 1940. It's like putting a car phone in a new 2015 car.

Let's pull off a period study here. All of these are totally completely stock.

1940 Ford:

1940 Mercedes Benz:

1940 Chevrolet:

1940 BMW:

1940 Renault:

1940 Fiat:

1940 chrysler:

on to 1941. Ford:

1941 Mercedes Benz:

1941 Chevrolet:

1941 BMW:

1941 Chrysler:

1941 Renault: unable to find a pic of one because WWII came about.

1941 Fiat, a lowly Topolino limo :

We can say that from 1942 or so onwards, the wheels of most vehicles produced around the world looked like this:

Shall I go on? I mean, 1948, for example:

Ford:

1948 Mercedes Benz:

1948 Chevrolet:

1948 BMW... ok, a Bristol. Still a BMW:

1948 Renault:

1948 Fiat:

1948 Chrysler:

And I can assure you that, by 1950, they all looked pretty damn much the same.

Did y'all see ALL THOSE WIRE WHEELS, MY GOD.

So, to whoever asked, this is how you form an ignorant opinion: by opining about something you don't know nothing about, like our friend Jmoney whatever.

 

[Turtle]

Door handles and other such small details can detract from the looks of a car overall, sure. But saying that they can ruin the design completely is silly.

And claiming that what you're saying can't be wrong because it's an opinion is ridiculous.

 

[Slash]

That still doesn't change the fact that wire wheels are god awful.

Door handles and other such small details can detract from the looks of a car overall, sure. But saying that they can ruin the design completely is silly.

And claiming that what you're saying can't be wrong because it's an opinion is ridiculous.

I disagree on the door handles thing once again. If someone swapped the chrome handles off my dads pickup for flat ones with the scoops that mold into the body lines that vehicle is ruined.

 

[Jahgee]

Can you put that post in a spoiler @Cano, it makes this page hard to read on mobile, because of all the scrolling necessary.

 

[McLaren]

That still doesn't change the fact that wire wheels are god awful.

*Citation needed.

 

[CarBastard]

How is an opinion ignorant?

Oh, the things one has to read these days!

That still doesn't change the fact that wire wheels are god awful.

Well, that's one opinion. Not a fact. It's an opinion that sucks by the way, but well, as long as you understand it's nothing more than an opinion, I'm fine with that ;tup:

 

[JMoney]

Let's pull off a period study here. All of these are totally completely stock.

1940 Ford:

1940 Mercedes Benz:

1940 Chevrolet:

1940 BMW:

1940 Renault:

1940 Fiat:

1940 chrysler:

on to 1941. Ford:

1941 Mercedes Benz:

1941 Chevrolet:

1941 BMW:

1941 Chrysler:

1941 Renault: unable to find a pic of one because WWII came about.

1941 Fiat, a lowly Topolino limo :

We can say that from 1942 or so onwards, the wheels of most vehicles produced around the world looked like this:

Shall I go on? I mean, 1948, for example:

Ford:

1948 Mercedes Benz:

1948 Chevrolet:

1948 BMW... ok, a Bristol. Still a BMW:

1948 Renault:

1948 Fiat:

1948 Chrysler:

And I can assure you that, by 1950, they all looked pretty damn much the same.

Did y'all see ALL THOSE WIRE WHEELS, MY GOD.

So, to whoever asked, this is how you form an ignorant opinion: by opining about something you don't know nothing about, like our friend Jmoney whatever.

*insert strawman; I'm not on my computer and don't have the picture*

I never said most cars from the 40's had wire wheels, I said the 40's was the last decade they looked good.

Door handles and other such small details can detract from the looks of a car overall, sure. But saying that they can ruin the design completely is silly.

And claiming that what you're saying can't be wrong because it's an opinion is ridiculous.

We aren't debating facts. We aren't debating rights and wrongs, we are offering our views on the appearance of cars; nobody is right or wrong.

It's not a fact that wire wheels look bad on the monteverdi, that's my opinion. Your opinion, I assume, is the opposite. Nobody is right or wrong.

 

[Slash]

And your opinion sucks because I said so!

 

[McLaren]

I believe Cano's point was to demonstrate that wire wheels were not actually used all that much in the 40's to begin with.

 

[Slash]

I believe Cano's point was to demonstrate that wire wheels were not actually used all that much in the 40's to begin with.

I'd say the 20s would be more accurate.

 

[McLaren]

I'd say the 20s would be more accurate.

Yes, and even before then.

When everyone moved on to the wheels Cano posted, wire wheels became unique mainly to sports cars through Borrani because they were being used on the racing cars, hence why buyers wanted them on their production cars. That little tidbit makes the "grandma" comment seem even more inappropriate.