GTP Cool Wall: Lancia Delta S4. Voting Closed

[Joey D]

I think it's worth noting that, we all have a right to vote without explaining ourselves. Yes, we like to know why someones opinion differs, but they aren't obliged to give us a full explanation. It's interesting to see why some people do or don't like certain vehicles, but I think to many people are being called up just for having a different opinion. Sometimes we just have to accept there opinion differs for reasons we'll never understand or be told.

However I ask, Codename L, why are ALL rally cars not cool to you?

Right you can vote without explaining yourself, however you are probably going to get called out on it especially if you go against the grain. This is after all a debate type thread, so yes if someone does have a varying opinion I am going to question it.

 

[Omnis]

This car is awesome. Utterly terrifying, and it looks like a giant bicep.

 

[Dragonistic]

Right you can vote without explaining yourself, however you are probably going to get called out on it especially if you go against the grain. This is after all a debate type thread, so yes if someone does have a varying opinion I am going to question it.

I agree, that we should question them, but alot of conflicting opinions have been degrading into a pointless fight, the immovable wall against the unstoppable force, which has results in some people becoming insulted, and generally things which I wouldn't want to associate with GTPlanet. We're not always going to get the answer we want to hear, or one that justifies an opinion in our eyes, but chances are we won't be able to change the opinions no matter how much we disagree with someone. I think we just need to lay off those who we've asked for a reason, they've given one which isn't satisfactory to those of the other camp and accept an agree to disagree.

Debating is obviously why we're here, or many of us, and expressing our opinions is also of utmost importance, but as someone who's not been involved in them, it seems things are just going to far lately and everyone needs to calm down a bit.

 

[Lucas]

However I ask, Codename L, why are ALL rally cars not cool to you?

Honestly, I never developed a fondness for rallying, and thus I don't like rally cars.

 

[Prosthetic]

How come you guys aren't going after all the people who are just voting Sub Zero just to go with the grain. How come if someone votes the same way you guys do but don't post anything? Is their a problem with someone who doesn't agree with 90% of the other people? As much as I disagree with Paulies decisions, you can't change or force him not to vote because he has an opinion. Saying "It doesn't do anything for me" is perfectly reasonable and I agree with that statement with a lot of cars that have voted on.

 

[Joey D]

How come you guys aren't going after all the people who are just voting Sub Zero just to go with the grain. How come if someone votes the same way you guys do but don't post anything? Is their a problem with someone who doesn't agree with 90% of the other people? As much as I disagree with Paulies decisions, you can't change or force him not to vote because he has an opinion. Saying "It doesn't do anything for me" is perfectly reasonable and I agree with that statement with a lot of cars that have voted on.

Well for one thing if people are voting along the same lines as everyone else, they probably share the same reasons a lot of other people do. Yes I would prefer them to state their reasoning for sure, but in the end if it's already been said then what is the point of saying it again?

As I keep saying, I'm not out to change anyone's decision. All I want is people to think about their decision before they make and then give a reason why they think it. If you can reason that a car is uncool that everyone else thinks is cool, then have at it. But people should know if you go against the grain you should be prepared to have a reason...otherwise you just look disruptive.

 

[Lucas]

But people should know if you go against the grain you should be prepared to have a reason...otherwise you just look disruptive.

That's what people will think if they like the car and the disruptive member doesn't. However, if the disruptive member is someone that likes the car and the rest doesn't, then no one will think nothing about that member.

 

[Prosthetic]

Well for one thing if people are voting along the same lines as everyone else, they probably share the same reasons a lot of other people do. Yes I would prefer them to state their reasoning for sure, but in the end if it's already been said then what is the point of saying it again?

As I keep saying, I'm not out to change anyone's decision. All I want is people to think about their decision before they make and then give a reason why they think it. If you can reason that a car is uncool that everyone else thinks is cool, then have at it. But people should know if you go against the grain you should be prepared to have a reason...otherwise you just look disruptive.

I get what your saying and you don't need to explain it any further, but some people just hate a car and think its the most uncool thing ever. I am like that with quite a few cars so they will get an immediate Seriously Uncool. So what if he only likes American and Australian cars.. In my old days of GTP I was much the same with European and Japanese cars. Let me be him... Because what ever we say won't have an effect on him.

 

[Joey D]

That's what people will think if they like the car and the disruptive member doesn't. However, if the disruptive member is someone that likes the car and the rest doesn't, then no one will think nothing about that member.

Errrr no. I don't care how it is, if 98% of the people vote one way and 2% do it the other way with giving any reason why, they are going to look disruptive. However if they give a reason for do so, then they just look like that have odd taste...which is perfectly fine.

 

[Lucas]

Errrr no. I don't care how it is, if 98% of the people vote one way and 2% do it the other way with giving any reason why, they are going to look disruptive. However if they give a reason for do so, then they just look like that have odd taste...which is perfectly fine.

You say disruptive like if it is a bad thing. Everyone has his/her own opinion. And they have the right to state it or not. Would you like these "disruptive members" to go with the rest and vote whatever the majority of the votes is? Hell, I would start doing that myself. I can't stand when people are calling other members out for not liking a car. I have yet to see a poll where members call out other members for liking a car instead of not liking one. I don't like a car, is that simple. If you ask me to state why I don't like a car, I am likely to say things to justify my vote, when the truth is I don't need to, since I don't like it and that's just that: I don't like it, I can't express why I don't.

 

[Joey D]

You say disruptive like it was a bad thing. Everyone has his/her own opinion. And they have the right to state it or not. Would you like these "disruptive members" to go with the rest and vote whatever the majority of the votes is?

No, I would like them to give a reason for voting against the grain.

Yes they have a right to not state their opinion, just as I have the right to criticise them for not giving any reason at all. Go into the opinion forum and try saying something without any reason at all, you'll get thrown to the wolves. Just because this is a different section doesn't mean you shouldn't at least attempt to give some sort of explanation for your opinion.

 

[buickgnx88]

Can we please stop with all this, please? Who cares who votes what way? If you want to get a reason, PM the person! I know I'm not the only one who's tired of all this arguing.

 

[Prosthetic]

No, I would like them to give a reason for voting against the grain.

Yes they have a right to not state their opinion, just as I have the right to criticise them for not giving any reason at all. Go into the opinion forum and try saying something without any reason at all, you'll get thrown to the wolves. Just because this is a different section doesn't mean you shouldn't at least attempt to give some sort of explanation for your opinion.

I'm sorry Joey... But is this the opinions forum? No it isn't so don't talk like it is. Voting against the grain is no different then people that vote with it... So why not call out those who vote with it and don't say anything?

 

[neszmerya]

Sub-Zero, I love any rally car.

 

[Joey D]

I'm sorry Joey... But is this the opinions forum? No it isn't so don't talk like it is. Voting against the grain is no different then people that vote with it... So why not call out those who vote with it and don't say anything?

Just because this is not the opinion forum does not mean we should just go off willy nilly on things. Honestly the standards in the opinion forum should hold to the entire site because they aren't that strict. Basically if you have an opinion you state it and give a reason why. That's not difficult.

And as I've said if 40 people vote cool whatever 41st person's reasoning is has probably already been stated. This is why people are less likely to get called out for when voting with the masses. Granted as I've already said, numerous times, I would prefer that everyone gives a reason.

 

[Lucas]

No, I would like them to give a reason for voting against the grain.

And what if some of them don't have a reason, they just don't like the car? Not everyone here voted Sub-Zero for the same reasons, mind you. Some may have voted Sub-Zero because they thought it was a cool car for X reasons they can't describe. Some people voted Uncool for X reasons they can't describe, as myself.

There you have your reason.

Encyclopedia voted Sub-Zero. "I won't even explain myself."
You didn't say nothing about that. Because he voted the same as you and others did, and knowing your reasons to vote the car the way you voted it and other people's reasons, you let that go away.

You then said that those who voted uncool and seriously uncool should explain themselves. Adamgp voted uncool, and said "I just don't find it cool." You replied "Wow, that's insightful", and then you complain about people who don't post their opinions?

Did the thought that they didn't posted because they just can't express why they don't like the car crossed your mind? If they answer things like that because you asked, then don't complain.

Go into the opinion forum and try saying something without any reason at all, you'll get thrown to the wolves. Just because this is a different section doesn't mean you shouldn't at least attempt to give some sort of explanation for your opinion.

And we don't get thrown to the wolves here, right?

Anyways, this is pointless. I gave my reason, and if you don't like it, then I can't help it. I will continue voting the way I do. If someone is pissed, then I'm sorry, it's your fault you are, not mine. It's not like you are losing something valuable if I vote Sub-Zero or Seriously Uncool. If you are pissed, however, it shows that you like the car or don't like the car, and thus, you would like to see it in the respective category.

 

[Prosthetic]

Just because this is not the opinion forum does not mean we should just go off willy nilly on things. Honestly the standards in the opinion forum should hold to the entire site because they aren't that strict. Basically if you have an opinion you state it and give a reason why. That's not difficult.

And as I've said if 40 people vote cool whatever 41st person's reasoning is has probably already been stated. This is why people are less likely to get called out for when voting with the masses. Granted as I've already said, numerous times, I would prefer that everyone gives a reason.

I know what the rules of the opinion forum are.. Its not a foreign place for me. But when you talk about wither you think something is cool or not... Its less of a factual opinion and more of a just because opinion. I'll put it this way... 90% of teens these days think rap is the coolest music ever... While me thinking its the most distasteful thing to embrace this planet. Its just a straight down honest opinion. You don't always need to back up.. (In this case I could) but if you for just what ever reason you don't think its a cool car then so be it. You may not have a reason for it.. and sometimes you don't need one.

 

[NISM0_SKYLINE]

Sub-Zero . For the short time it raced it dominated. Plus it was built for speed and handling and thats it. It will be remembered as the fastest rally cars of all time.

 

[Eric Demory]

Sub-Zero, 81%

 

[Joel]

Sub zero. No questions asked.

 

[Worst_Driver]

I accidently voted uncool, I didn't notice the specs, Holy 🤬 0-100 in 2.3 seconds for a 4 cyl definately raises it to cool.

 

[Setante]

Sub Zero, Definitely

 

[Prosthetic]

Sub-Zero, I love any rally car.

Sub-Zero, 81%

Sub zero. No questions asked.

I accidently voted uncool, I didn't notice the specs, Holy 🤬 0-100 in 2.3 seconds for a 4 cyl definately raises it to cool.

Sub Zero, Definitely

According to Joey, all of these are not good enough reasons.

 

[Cano]

this thing has all, and I mean all the ingredients to maybe be the most subzero car to grace a wall. Super and Turbo charged... reliability? who cares!!! it goes like stink, one of the coolest rally cars ever. Damn Group B cars are all sub-zero.

 

[Prosthetic]

this thing has all, and I mean all the ingredients to maybe be the most subzero car to grace a wall. Super and Turbo charged... reliability? who cares!!! it goes like stink, one of the coolest rally cars ever. Damn Group B cars are all sub-zero.

And who cares if someone doesn't like it? My point exactly.

 

[Joey D]

According to Joey, all of these are not good enough reasons.

Perhaps you didn't read any words I wrote. I said that when people vote similarly to what the majority is there reason has probably already been covered. However, yes I would like people to give me insight then just Sub-Zero.

Typically if you disagree with the majority you should give a reason why, however if you agree with majority your point has probably already been addressed.

 

[Prosthetic]

Perhaps you didn't read any words I wrote. I said that when people vote similarly to what the majority is there reason has probably already been covered. However, yes I would like people to give me insight then just Sub-Zero.

Typically if you disagree with the majority you should give a reason why, however if you agree with majority your point has probably already been addressed.

Your putting words in their mouth.. Your assuming that their opinion has been mentioned already. I'm sure in cases that that is the case, but they didn't say that so you can't assume. If your not going to enforce on both sides, don't enforce at all.

 

[Joey D]

Your putting words in their mouth.. Your assuming that their opinion has been mentioned already. I'm sure in cases that that is the case, but they didn't say that so you can't assume. If your not going to enforce on both sides, don't enforce at all.

No, I'm actually not putting words into people's mouth. That's why I used words like probably, which does not mean defiantly. It's merely making an educated guess based on past observations, it's not presenting anything as fact.

 

[Prosthetic]

No, I'm actually not putting words into people's mouth. That's why I used words like probably, which does not mean defiantly. It's merely making an educated guess based on past observations, it's not presenting anything as fact.

I know what it means... But the thought of forcing one side but not the other is pretty lame.

 

[red70mach1]

Insane , Fast, 550BHP. I like it