GTP NASCAR Sprint Cup S4 Champs: Akmuq, Hendrick, Chevrolet

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I'll give Ryan the same advice as to Mule, the points table should be moved to the front page, that seems to have been overlooked recently :nervous:

It normally is. I just forgot to put them there the last two weeks. The tables will be on the first page once the new standings are made after Monza results are finalized.
 
There is no way this is true. If you think cutting a chicane is worth a maximum of a third-of-a-second, you're crazy.

Depends on severity.

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Worth a tenth of a second at most.

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Worth 3 tenths.
 
I disagree. When cutting like shown in those pics, the culprit is able to enter faster, maintain higher speed, and exit faster through each corner. String a couple in a row, and hell yea your gonna be the fastest car around. Your taking major seconds off each lap by doing it that way.
 
Mudd
I disagree. When cutting like shown in those pics, the culprit is able to enter faster, maintain higher speed, and exit faster through each corner. String a couple in a row, and hell yea your gonna be the fastest car around. Your taking major seconds off each lap by doing it that way.

I agree, with you.

3 tenths true the corner itself perhaps, more speed through 2 and 3 of that chicane and less angle to turn so better tyres for longer.
 
Also, a lower turning angle means less tire-wear.

EDIT - Matty beat me to the post, but I'm pretty sure he cut something to do it first. :lol:
 
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MustangRyan
Also, a lower turning angle means less tire-wear.

EDIT - Matty beat me to the post, but I'm pretty sure he cut something to do it first. :lol:

I don't get it but it must be something to do with me cutting... :nervous:
 
I did a test where I took my car ad drive on the track with OLR rules. I was on average about a second a lap faster.
 
With that said I would say add 3 seconds a lap where there was a corner cut, but since some cuts are on the same lap I would just say 2 seconds a cut or keep it the same.
 
Akmuq
For Niop to win, he would have had to drive in Spurgy's draft the entire race, pit on the exact same lap, make no mistakes, and overtake him in the final turn.

And it is possible to break draft here, I've done it before.
At this track had I drove the line that Spurgy did, I'm certain he would have not broke my draft and we would have battled for the win. There's no way to know who would have won. I think Drop's penalties are fair.
 
In my tests, when cuts like those happened, it gained at most 3 tenths of a second for major ones. More minor barely illegal ones gained a tenth if that. A 90 second penalty for what would have been at most 5/6 seconds gain does seem a bit too much. If you watch the replay, most of my time was gained through the Lesmos. That is where I managed to find the time to break the draft.
Granted I don't think I shouldn't get any penalty, but seeing as a cut gives you such a 3 second penalty, and that most people had a lot of cuts, the results now depend on who managed to get round the race with the fewest number of mistakes which seems a bit stupid. And to be fair, I'm not here to spend almost an hour going around the track driving safe to get a moral victory. I'm a racing driver, I'm mean't to attack the track, not tip-toe around it. As for the people saying it gives better tyre wear, it doesn't because although the "angle might be less" which it barely is, if you take more speed, you will use the tyres more. So slight cuts like that one make tyre wear worse.
I know I said I didn't mind a penalty, but 90 seconds is going too far IMO.
 
In my tests, when cuts like those happened, it gained at most 3 tenths of a second for major ones. More minor barely illegal ones gained a tenth if that. A 90 second penalty for what would have been at most 5/6 seconds gain does seem a bit too much. If you watch the replay, most of my time was gained through the Lesmos. That is where I managed to find the time to break the draft.
Granted I don't think I shouldn't get any penalty, but seeing as a cut gives you such a 3 second penalty, and that most people had a lot of cuts, the results now depend on who managed to get round the race with the fewest number of mistakes which seems a bit stupid. And to be fair, I'm not here to spend almost an hour going around the track driving safe to get a moral victory. I'm a racing driver, I'm mean't to attack the track, not tip-toe around it. As for the people saying it gives better tyre wear, it doesn't because although the "angle might be less" which it barely is, if you take more speed, you will use the tyres more. So slight cuts like that one make tyre wear worse.
I know I said I didn't mind a penalty, but 90 seconds is going too far IMO.

You're still going to come away with 2nd or 3rd place, and every bonus point from the weekend. If you get 2nd place, which is likely, you'll end up with 21 points (18 for 2nd place, plus all 3 bonus points), where Niop will have 20 (1st place, no laps led). You won't be credited with a race win, but you will get the most points from the weekend. That seems like a pretty decent deal.
 
Drop is not in any way trying to subtract the amount of cutting time from anyone's times. He is pointing out infractions and penalizing them. Simple.
 
And I thought it's impossible to win without leading any laps... :embarrassed:

I think I actually pointed out sometime that in reality, a win would always be worth 21 points because you'd at least be leading the last lap if anything on the way to victory lane... Pfft, now I learned something new for a change. :dunce:
 
And I thought it's impossible to win without leading any laps... :embarrassed:

I think I actually pointed out sometime that in reality, a win would always be worth 21 points because you'd at least be leading the last lap if anything on the way to victory lane... Pfft, now I learned something new for a change. :dunce:

hhhmmm, sense you speak
 
I suppose that's fair enough if I come 2nd, still seems like a lottery with the lower down positions though.
 
Looking over some of the infraction lists, I'm hoping to gain a couple spots due to my absence. :sly:
 
neljack
Moral of the story is, dont use Monza with the rules you have, its a frickin' joke :lol:

Niop did manage to finish second with only three cuts in thirty laps.

In the future, we will try to race only at road courses where cutting won't be an issue.
 
Niop did manage to finish second with only three cuts in thirty laps.

In the future, we will try to race only at road courses where cutting won't be an issue.

Come on this happened in NW too, you'd be saving yoursef time as well :lol:
 
neljack
Come on this happened in NW too, you'd be saving yoursef time as well :lol:

That just means that NW drivers didn't follow the rules either.
 
I am going to give a prize to the person with the least cut's. It will be a big happy post on their wall!

Congratulations joe, you win....
 
I'm being serious, and I want a serious answer from anyone that is willing to give one.

Was there anything unclear about the corner-cutting rule before the race started? Was this just a case where drivers thought they were outside the white line, but really weren't? Was this an issue with camera angles used during the race? Did anyone truthfully not know the rule was different from other series before the race started? What caused this? There is no reason that we should have 200+ penalties to assess for a 30 lap race with 14 drivers. Any good answer will be much appreciated.
 
Yes I know rules are rules but you you honestly expect what, 20+ drivers in NW and Sprint combined to not put 2 wheels on the curb at Monza, A track in real life renown for drivers of any motor racing level to attack the curbs (to a agree) with high speed corners?

Well, thats my 2 cent's, take it or leave it.......
 
I expected to only have one or 2 cuts in the whole race that would be classified as penalizable. That was largely due to camera angle - I always race in the default cam (don't know what it's called) which means I can't see the car, or the tires. Because of that, I generally drive so that the curb in those chicanes would hit the middle of the screen and no further when I pass over it, as I expected that by doing that, two tires would always be on the track.
 
I was just to focused on keeping a champ behind (for a while :P) and keep that other champ in my sights. I was taking a line which was later turn in than most other series and still managed to cut.
 
Yes I know rules are rules but you you honestly expect what, 20+ drivers in NW and Sprint combined to not put 2 wheels on the curb at Monza, A track in real life renown for drivers of any motor racing level to attack the curbs (to a agree) with high speed corners?

Well, thats my 2 cent's, take it or leave it.......

If it's clearly stated in the rules, Yes, I would expect the drivers to follow those rules. It's not like you couldn't touch the curbs at all; you just couldn't do it with your outside tires. You make it sound like all 4 tires had to be on pavement at all times, which would be very hard to do at a track like Monza.

If there was such concern about it, why wasn't it addressed before the race?
 
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