GTP NASCAR Sprint Cup S4 Champs: Akmuq, Hendrick, Chevrolet

[MustangRyan]

http://www.youtube.com/v/LKpnZ7cwWuY&loop=1

Try that. I'm just following the instructions from the comments page.

EDIT - I can't see youtube at work, so I'm just guessing.

 

[MustangRyan]

Niop sent in the following results from race reviews:

Smuffy: 22
Furi: 25
RPH: 31
Carb: 15
Mule: 20

Updated tentative standings (penalties not yet applied). My goal is to finish this off tonight and determine how penalties will be applied, and post final standings and points tables.

I've had my run verified by Niop and Knelly. Both of them recorded two cuts. Knelly specificed that they were on 11-A3 and 19-C1. They both also confirmed that I was slow as hell.


Tentative order:

1. Spurgy - 32 cuts (verified by Drop)
2. Niop (+30.495 seconds) - 3 cuts (drop)
3. gokartman (+40.350) - 30 cuts (drop)
4. neljack (+48.115) -
5. Matty (+51.820) -
6. smuffy (+75.139) - 22 cuts (Niop)
7. Furi (+75.476) - 25 cuts (Niop)
8. Carb (+75.546) - 15 cuts (Niop)
9. RPH (+90.375) - 31 cuts (Niop)
10. TomMcD (+94.711) -
11. Knelly (+96.485) -
12. Mule (+148.000) - 20 cuts (Niop)
13. Drop (+168.000) - 2 cuts (Niop and Knelly)
14. ACDC (+193.000) -

 

[RedPartyhat]

Damn 31? >.>

 

[Spurgy 777]

It would appear almost everyone was doing it then.

 

[MustangRyan]

It would appear almost everyone was doing it then.

Unfortunately, that appears to be the case.

Damn 31? >.>

Drivers are free to appeal their penalties, if they wish. I would suggest looking at your own replay, and applying the following standards:

Just PM me the lap number and corner name if it's a clear cut. It helps to watch in Chase cam, and pause as the car hits the apex in both turns in the Chicane, and the apex in all three turns in Ascari. Use photomode to look around and determine if the car is in or out. If you feel the car is borderline (READ AS: Both tires on the white line, but neither tire inside the white line), ignore it.

I did not count any cuts on lap 2 when the big pack was still together, or when two cars were side-by-side in the chicane or Ascari. Leaving room for another driver takes precedence in these cases.

Correct, the outside two tires must remain on black pavement at all times when cornering. They must not cut inside the inner edge of any turn.

This is as close as illegal gets. If a car's outside tires are both closer to the black pavement than the rear tire pictured above, they are legal. Both tires need to be on the black though, not just one.


It is perfectly acceptable to run wide exiting a corner into a straightaway (see exit, Ascari)

 

[Knelly]

Can make places up here or not

 

[MustangRyan]

Can make places up here or not

I think what I'm going to do is take the lowest number of cuts (currently, that's 2 cuts), and subtract that number from everyone's total number of cuts. Then, I'll apply a penalty of something like 3 seconds per cut. A lot of positions are likely to change.

Niop has definitely won the race. Spurgy will be somewhere between 2nd and 4th, depending on how many cuts Neljeck and Matty had. Carb is going to pass Smuffy and Furi. Tom and Knelly have a chance to move up, if their number of cuts are low enough. I'll move ahead of Mule. ACDC could move ahead of Mule, if his number of cuts is less than 5.

 

[Niop]

Damn 31? >.>

I felt like I was pretty lenient for the people I viewed. But it wouldn't hurt to have others take a look.

 

[gokartman78]

looks like i'll be over 100 seconds down on Niop now

 

[MustangRyan]

looks like i'll be over 100 seconds down on Niop now

You will probably still get something between a top 3 and a top 5. Don't worry about it.

 

[gokartman78]

You will probably still get something between a top 3 and a top 5. Don't worry about it.

rules are rules, and that's fine by me. Just need to read up on them more next time. And practise using those rules, then I should be fine

 

[cgr-10]

GTP America Article

 

[paulmac2k9]

Can someone fix this for me?

Fixed for ya.

Er ok..

 

[RedPartyhat]

I did try my best to stay on track. Even though 100% of the race I was in a draft or low tires or both, I know that isn't an excuse. But I don't think that I cut the track once every lap.

 

[MustangRyan]

I did try my best to stay on track. Even though 100% of the race I was in a draft or low tires or both, I know that isn't an excuse. But I don't think that I cut the track once every lap.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7599628#post7599628

Seriously. Look at your own replay, being completely honest with yourself, and applying those standards. If the number you get is significantly different, I'll be glad to double-check it myself. If you look at it, and feel Niop's assessment is accurate, I'm not going to take more time to needlessly double-check it. I really want to get points tables done no later than tomorrow night so we can focus on the upcoming grand slam race at Motegi.

 

[Akmuq]

There is no way Niop was faster then Spurgy, even with the cutting, which doesn't quite make 3 seconds a cut.

 

[Knelly]

But around here you can be slightly faster than someone else, but they still have your draft enough through the lap to stay with you, unless you lose their draft in other ways (corner cutting for example).

 

[Carbonox]

There is no way Niop was faster then Spurgy, even with the cutting, which doesn't quite make 3 seconds a cut.

Does it matter who was the fastest, if one cut so many times and another barely at all?

 

[Akmuq]

But around here you can be slightly faster than someone else, but they still have your draft enough through the lap to stay with you, unless you lose their draft in other ways (corner cutting for example).

For Niop to win, he would have had to drive in Spurgy's draft the entire race, pit on the exact same lap, make no mistakes, and overtake him in the final turn.

And it is possible to break draft here, I've done it before.

 

[Matty]

I had a quick look at mine to put my mind at rest and I counted 8 by lap 17 including some very borderline moments.

So I feel like a undeserved podium may be on for me here

EDIT: Breaking draft is possible, I did it too ACDC and PartyHat (twice) in the race.

But I agree with the penalty system in any case, you cut a corner, or 30 expect some sort of penalty.

 

[Furinkazen]

25? I will be looking at my replay.

 

[Mudd]

There is no way Niop was faster then Spurgy, even with the cutting, which doesn't quite make 3 seconds a cut.

Seems kind of a bold statement considering that's a 3-time champ. Not to take anything from Spurgy, I know he's good, but this is Niop's 'home game' so to speak.

 

[cgr-10]

There is no way Niop was faster then Spurgy, even with the cutting, which doesn't quite make 3 seconds a cut.

Irrelevant really, you break the rules (even if it was accidental), you get penalised. You don't just 'award' the race to the fastest person on the track, it defeats the point.

 

[Akmuq]

Seems kind of a bold statement considering that's a 3-time champ. Not to take anything from Spurgy, I know he's good, but this is Niop's 'home game' so to speak.

No, Niop's fast, Spurgy is something else.

For 32 cuts to make up the 30 second gap, that's almost a second for each cut, you do not get that from chipping the chicanes. No where near.

Doesn't matter, it's just if I were the boss Spurgy would keep the win but get a points penalty(for the All-Star race and WildCard) which would be more severe than RFLX's, allow everyone about 5 cuts for mistakes or something as everyone will cut and it's also hard to judge so you can't just purposely take your 5 cuts when you need them, and just give Spurgy and anyone else who cut as much as him like a 5 or 6 point penalty and only 1 or two points for people who cut 15 times or less.

It's also inconsistant considering someone can wreck half the fields race on one of the crap-shoot tracks without penalty yet someone can get 1 minutes worth of penalties for getting about 6 or 7 seconds advantage.

Irrelevant really, you break the rules (even if it was accidental), you get penalised. You don't just 'award' the race to the fastest person on the track, it defeats the point.

I don't know weather or not you decided to randomly predict results and use them, pretty unlikely, if that was the case ignore the rest of this, but considering that probably didn't actually happen since it's a racing series, read on.

Spurgy won the race, by 30 seconds, at most he got 10 seconds advantage from cutting chicanes, it's not awarding, it's being fair. Spurgy is the only driver who deserves this race, I don't care what anyone else responds with arguing this point, as no-body else was on Spurgy's speed, penalties or not.

 

[Müle]

Spurgy is fast. Aderrrm is something else.

 

[Carbonox]

I'm a penguin, everyone else is something completely different.

 

[cgr-10]

I don't think you understand quite what I'm trying to say mate. A penalty is a penalty, I don't care who would have won the race (probably Spurgy), if you break the rules stated by Drop, you get a penalty. Whether you would have won the race or not because of the fact you cheated is not relevant in the slightest.

I'm running 1st by a minute and take out places 7,8,9 when I come to lap them all in an incident that was my fault. Should I not get a penalty for that even though I've got the race in the bag?

 

[Akmuq]

Spurgy is fast. Aderrrm is something else.

Aderrrm is something else. DOUQA is Gods gift to cars.

 

[MustangRyan]

There is no way Niop was faster then Spurgy, even with the cutting, which doesn't quite make 3 seconds a cut.

Everyone knows Spurgy was the fastest car on the track Saturday. No one is disputing that. No one can dispute that. However, he failed to follow the race rules by repeatedly cutting corners. I have no doubt that it was unintentional, but that's not the point. He's going to be penalized. If I didn't penalize him, the entire race would be a farce. Imagine if Spurgy made the wild card with that one win, but less points than the 8th place driver. You think the 8th place driver might be a little upset? A fair penalty has to be implemented here, to uphold the integrity of the race, and the integrity of the regular season standings and the implications on the wild card scenarios.

A penalty is supposed to cost more time than you could gain by breaking the rule. The heavy cost vs low reward is what should deter drivers from breaking the rule. Considering the rule stated that up to 30 seconds per cut could be penalized, only tacking on 10% of that 30 seconds seems pretty lenient here.

I definitely wasn't the fastest guy on the track Saturday, but I made every effort to ensure that I was within the track boundaries for the entirety of the race. Others didn't do that well enough, and these kinds of penalties will hopefully encourage them to make sure that they do so next time.

Spurgy won the race, by 30 seconds, at most he got 10 seconds advantage from cutting chicanes.

There is no way this is true. If you think cutting a chicane is worth a maximum of a third-of-a-second, you're crazy.

 

[Carbonox]

I'll give Ryan the same advice as to Mule, the points table should be moved to the front page, that seems to have been overlooked recently