GTP NASCAR Sprint Cup S4 Champs: Akmuq, Hendrick, Chevrolet

[neljack]

If it's clearly stated in the rules, Yes, I would expect the drivers to follow those rules. It's not like you couldn't touch the curbs at all; you just couldn't do it with your outside tires. You make it sound like all 4 tires had to be on pavement at all times, which would be very hard to do at a track like Monza.

If there was such concern about it, why wasn't it addressed before the race?

Im not gonna answer that before I say something stupid and may later regret........

 

[gokartman78]

If it's clearly stated in the rules, Yes, I would expect the drivers to follow those rules. It's not like you couldn't touch the curbs at all; you just couldn't do it with your outside tires. You make it sound like all 4 tires had to be on pavement at all times, which would be very hard to do at a track like Monza.

If there was such concern about it, why wasn't it addressed before the race?

I played it safer in this than I did in NW. However i got more cuts in this (i got to 13 with 7 in that, makes for about 15 cuts in total ) Also I had no idea i was cutting that badly until now....

 

[MustangRyan]

Im not gonna answer that before I say something stupid and may later regret........

Please, speak freely. I really do want to know why these two races were marred with penalties. I'm not going to get angry or hold grudges. If you would feel more comfortable sending it via PM, please do so.

 

[MustangRyan]

I played it safer in this than I did in NW. However i got more cuts in this (i got to 13 with 7 in that, makes for about 15 cuts in total ) Also I had no idea i was cutting that badly until now....

Have you went back and watched your own replay to see what we're talking about? I think everyone here should go back and watch their own replay, and compare it to Niop's. Use the Chase cam so you can see your entire car, and pause at the 5 apexes (2 in chicane, and 3 in Ascari).

If you need to see what your line should look like with a different camera angle, follow RFLX around on your preferred camera angle to see the difference.

 

[neljack]

Please, speak freely. I really do want to know why these two races were marred with penalties. I'm not going to get angry or hold grudges. If you would feel more comfortable sending it via PM, please do so.

Nah its nothing particular just more frustration than any thing else, havent even seen my cuts yet , I just want lessons to be learned from this, and preferbly/reaaally want Monza to be dropped from NASCAR calendars

EDIT: Why is pretty simple, the rules are far stricter here (which i am 100% behind) than other series that I guess most of us guys race in, but in my honest opinion at a track like Monza they just dont meet up. Of course you could avoid the curbs but where the hell is the fun in that when its Monza, they're your best friend

Of course places like Ascari and T2 (?) common sense should be used and penalties should be applied if needs be for 4 wheels off the track.

 

[Knelly]

I believe the rules of the track were made (and have been in previous seasons) very clear. Whether I agree with them or not is beside the point. The rules were the rules (as you have clearly stated at Daytona for example).

The racing in this series is very hardcore, to the point that every driver will try to gain every tenth they can. Although I don't believe anybody would purposely do it illegally lap after lap they (including me) will cut it as close as possible to gain that time. With that, will come errors and in this case, corner cutting.

I would suggest that if you don't already know the size of your car here, then that's your own fault?

If it turns out I have cuts etc, I can honestly say its from either trying to push the lines too hard and getting it wrong, or through errors. But, will accept that as the rules were clear to me.

Bottom line, know the rules, know the track, know your car, know your role!

 

[gokartman78]

Have you went back and watched your own replay to see what we're talking about? I think everyone here should go back and watch their own replay, and compare it to Niop's. Use the Chase cam so you can see your entire car, and pause at the 5 apexes (2 in chicane, and 3 in Ascari).

If you need to see what your line should look like with a different camera angle, follow RFLX around on your preferred camera angle to see the difference.

i will do it now, although i have a feeling my PS3 will be having it's funeral soon. just took 7 minutes to go from the intro to the very first menu. When i was following Niop i didn't think i was cutting at all, but as you say i shall take a look. Just gonna flick back a few pages to find the exact rule, just to refresh my memory

 

[neljack]

Just to add, despite my ranting I did honestly enjoy sundays race and if anyone wants a replacement id be more than happy to help out : - )

 

[gokartman78]

Just to add, despite my ranting I did honestly enjoy sundays race and if anyone wants a replacement id be more than happy to help out : - )

you could fill in for someone if they are looking to cut back on some racing time. See what i did there? with Cut? ish?

i'll see myself out

 

[Furinkazen]

^ I agree with Knelly 100%. We are all trying our best and sometimes we will unwittingly in that race for the top overstep the line. I can say 100% I did not intentionally cheat at all. I'm sure same can be said for everyone in this series.

 

[Knelly]

Also (and please don't see this as a dig Furi, it really isn't) we have a lot if current and past TOCA drivers, and drivers from other such series where whether they would have the same rules or not, they probably aren't penalised as harshly and focus more on driver v driver incidents.

Ever watch BTCC or V8's for example? They are ruthless in their corner cutting etc.

 

[Furinkazen]

Also (and please don't see this as a dig Furi, it really isn't) we have a lot if current and past TOCA drivers, and drivers from other such series where whether they would have the same rules or not, they probably aren't penalised as harshly and focus more on driver v driver incidents.

Ever watch BTCC or V8's for example? They are ruthless in their corner cutting etc.

No offence taken. Also this series is slightly different to the OLR and a little stricter. Its caught some of us out.

 

[gokartman78]

No offence taken. Also this series is slightly different to the OLR and a little stricter. Its caught some of us out.

I have only ever raced by the OLR. Since I started racing on GTP a year ago that's all i have done. It's a poor excuse but it's so hard to change ways once you get into a rythym week in-week out

 

[Spurgy 777]

I'm in V8's Knelly... And we've already done the Monza race, no complaints.
Anyway, to answer your question Drop, I probably had so many cuts because I was attacking the kerbs like I do in other series, which I wouldn't have done if I known you were so strict, and from my camera view, it looked like I was getting it right most laps, but I couldn't see past the roof and obviously the tyres were further in.

 

[gokartman78]

I'm in V8's Knelly... And we've already done the Monza race, no complaints.
Anyway, to answer your question Drop, I probably had so many cuts because I was attacking the kerbs like I do in other series, which I wouldn't have done if I known you were so strict, and from my camera view, it looked like I was getting it right most laps, but I couldn't see past the roof and obviously the tyres were further in.

I think he meant the aussie supercars

 

[Spurgy 777]

Oh, he should be more specific then

 

[paulmac2k9]

Yeah Aussie V8s cut like hell . (Should watch how they use Abu Dhabis track)

 

[gokartman78]

Yeah Aussie V8s cut like hell .

I reckon the cut the total race length down by a mile at the end of each race. The have cars that eat kerbs for beakfast, lunch and dinner. And bedtime snack

 

[cgr-10]

The alternative that nobody has considered yet is allowing all cutting and continuing to race at Monza. It may sound silly but have you seen NASCAR at the Glen? Those guys think 'kerb' and 'tarmac' mean the same thing.

 

[Furinkazen]

The alternative that nobody has considered yet is allowing all cutting and continuing to race at Monza. It may sound silly but have you seen NASCAR at the Glen? Those guys think 'kerb' and 'tarmac' mean the same thing.

With "oil" in final laps this year though..

 

[cgr-10]

With "oil" in final laps this year though..

True but it's still a valid point; pretty much the only motorsport where cutting is non existent nowadays is F1, everybody is relatively lax and inconsistent for some reason.

 

[Furinkazen]

Although it is tricky for corner cutting managing, Spa would make a great Road America-style Road course.

 

[Knelly]

The alternative that nobody has considered yet is allowing all cutting and continuing to race at Monza. It may sound silly but have you seen NASCAR at the Glen? Those guys think 'kerb' and 'tarmac' mean the same thing.

I was thinking this myself.

However I was just watching my replay back and it became clearer to me what should be deemed as legal and illegal.

There are bold unbroken white lines all around the circuit (other than where chicane 1 is missing). If one of your outside tyres goes so deep into a corner, that you can clearly see all of the white line, then that's illegal.

If you can see only part or none, then that's legal.

Not sure if this is Drops current view but I would like this as a clear rule moving forward.

I would like to stay at Monza. We have 4 seasons of history here now!

 

[The Bman]

I know that you guys can avoid skipping the curbs, it's all a matter of braking early.

Remember, the car is heavy.

 

[RedPartyhat]

All Monza has done was make almost 10 pages of controversy, it is time to move on. But please not Spa, that is the farthest thing from any NASCAR road course. Grand Valley East, TRM Road and west course are better options.

 

[Knelly]

I know that you guys can avoid skipping the curbs, it's all a matter of braking early.

Remember, the car is heavy.

It's actually a matter of braking a little later. Braking early gives more opportunity of cutting them, turning in earlier.

EDIT : Sorry for the duncity of this. I can't figure out what TRM is, other than potentially Trial Mountain.

 

[Matty]

That's what I thought at first Knelly, but then after about 20s more I copped on to Twin Ring Motegi.

 

[Knelly]

That's what I thought at first Knelly, but then after about 20s more I copped on to Twin Ring Motegi.

 

[paulmac2k9]

Yeah Twin Ring Motegi is a great track for Nascar has nice long straights with wide open bends and a tight bit in S2. Also it's near on impossble to cut without it spitting you off .

 

[Müle]

Niop did manage to finish second with only three cuts in thirty laps.

In the future, we will try to race only at road courses where cutting won't be an issue.

There were no issues last season. :/