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[Downhill Dino]

^ It's all about exiting the corner.

@CAM: 90% of your effort.

 

[CAM]

Okay. Same car/track? Last chance to change your mind gatrs .

 

[gogatrs]

im not sure about golf gti at monza.
the golf gti is not a high speed car imo. something like suzuka or cote or something like that where the car is in its element would be better.

its like running a caterham at the circuit de la sarthe.......(why would anyone wann do that) its just straights

Hmmm, good point.
Tsukuba?

 

[JLawrence]

My vote is still on Trial Mt for the Cobra. The old Shelby's are my favorite cars aside from the Spitfire, and Trial Mt is more or less my "home track." I know exactly what they're capable of there and what a reasonable time is.

But regardless of that, you give me the combinations and I will tomorrow evening set about to finding good times for them. I think Deep Forest with a relatively powerful front wheel drive car would be a good one for the Advanced just by merit of the fact that it is a popular track, and because of the camber in the corners, none too kind to understeering cars. Maybe for variety we could throw in a four wheel drive for the Amateur test and more or less cover all of the styles of cars? Maybe a Subaru Impreza on Suzuka?


And, let me be Wardez here and say that we need to slow down. Maybe we can decide on the car and track combinations, but the actual times should come from the average of a couple of us in any given setting. Like I said, tomorrow night I will be on to do some test runs, and we can get together and discuss how to go about it. In the mean time, how about you guys shoot me a friend request (GTP_SpitRacer) and we will worry about finalizing all of this on the track hmm?

 

[CAM]

I'd rather not do Tsukuba, what about Suzuka East Course?

The Cobra is the Advanced test, and it'd be a good idea for me to handle the Amateur one since I'm a fairly mediocre driver.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Cape Ring South?

 

[CAM]

I don't care, just pick something .

 

[Wardez]

Ok quickly before I post the rest:

@JL
Here's the compromise with the title thing.
It's fine to have them later on once everyone's settled in to a row. But right now we have no idea who's exactly right for each one. I don't want to make this sound like a military or something, but it's just common sense.
It's bad to have titles right now because we already have people confused on what they can and can not do. Every one needs to know they can volunteer to do anything they feel they can contribute.

Let's not try to come up with license tests on paper. Those are cool ideas for different license tests but I was thinking it'd be a lot better to get a few of us together in a race lobby and we will all just shoot for the fastest time possible.

So first we'll all try a bunch of car and track combinations and we pick a few we really like.
After that, it's pretty easy to set a minimum time you need to get for the license.
The time trials for the licenses are going to be done with tire wear off, so we will simply all try and set a fast total time (over 5 laps) with tire wear on. The fastest time should work as a benchmark. For the beginner license tests we'll have to really work harder for to get a good benchmark time than the more advanced tests.
But that's just what I'm saying on paper, so we need to really try this first before we know it works.


RT and I will handle that since we're pretty familiar with good time trialing structure since we've run a lot of events like that before and were both really involved with GT Academy, he was a finalist that went to England (Keep it tuned to Speed channel in the fall :tup
and I finished in round three.

Also, there's going to be separate track and car combos for each license level so there's no need for an "Amateur" time.

Okay. Is the Golf a recommended car? I'll do that one right now. Online or offline setting?

I'd say Sport Softs for all 3.

Oh-my-god

 

[CAM]

But the titles we have now are what people want to do. Everyone knows they can help in other areas, I already have with my eons-long driver list. I don't see a problem with keeping the titles as they are, I think the provide some structure. Am I running laps or not? Haha.

 

[gogatrs]

Sounds good Wardez, but when do you guys plan on doing that?

 

[JLawrence]

Like I said in my previous post, we need to take averages from a few of us then use those times to set the license times. I really want to get R1600 in on the initial phase here because he will effectively represent the absolute fastest we will encounter.

I want to get together with you guys in a private lounge and work on testing track/car/restriction combos. Tonight I think all we need to do is narrow it down to a pool of different models and tracks for each level license, then get to the dirty work of it when we can all see the results and not be basing this on conjecture.

Tomorrow night I will be on around 11pm EST, so I will be glad to host a practice/test session.

Now what about possible cars?

 

[CAM]

Do you need me to run any times? And I was kind of hoping to keep everything in the social group as is.

 

[Downhill Dino]

All of us run times and take some averages?

 

[CAM]

Can I turn my PS3 off?

 

[JLawrence]

Yes you can turn it off.

Thus far I have heard for suggestions:
Mercedes SLS on Nurburgring GP/F
Nissan GTR on Suzuka Circuit
Cobra on Trial Mt/Laguna/Cote d'Azure
Suzuki Swift on Tsukuba
Golf GTI on Monza

 

[gogatrs]

Can I turn my PS3 off?

No!

No ones stopping you... Lol

 

[CAM]

I'm just trying to be helpful. So I haven't heard final word on the social group, are we keeping it?

 

[Downhill Dino]

Up to you.

IMPUL CALSONIC GTR or CASTROL Supra at Fuji?

 

[gogatrs]

Thus far I have heard for suggestions:
Mercedes SLS on Nurburgring GP/F
Nissan GTR on Suzuka Circuit
Cobra on Trial Mt/Laguna/Cote d'Azure
Suzuki Swift on Tsukuba
Golf GTI on Monza/Suzuka East/Autumn Ring/Autumn Ring Mini

Added Suzuka east and Autumn Ring to the Golf GTI

 

[Wardez]

Where's Wardez? And who wants to review my series? I'm asking for Wardez becuase he made the Tier badges. I wonder what It'll be...

T4 Because of your use of a pace car, which is always ill-advised, tracks which are too long. It looks like you want to be able to run in the rain so I'd suggest you should add Suzuka instead of Circuit De La Sarthe and possibly Eiger Nordwand instead of Monza.
Getting rid of the pace car idea alone will get you a T3 rating.

Ok. As legit as that is..I can live with it being a Tier 2.

FMSC season 2 was T1. It'll be T2 now that it's using a club format.

Now. The I have created a club page to make it easier to get organized and discuss the goings on with this until we (hopefully) get a sticky/subforum. I feel that we should move the conversation there then use this to post things that have been made official so we aren't blowing up the racing forum.

And for those of you like Chaos, the page is open to view, so you can see the goings on, but it is closed for comment. If you have questions complaints etc please voice them here.

Ok, I think it'll be better for us to move this discussion there. Because I'm becoming way too used to clicking "quote quote quote" in this thread.

Come to think of it. It may be wise to open up the group page entirely. I am typing up a post for license testing, and I would like for people to be able to sign up there. And it could help keep the whole thing more organized.

But no, we should not have any user have to go to the group page to sign up. Sign ups will be done through a custom Google Doc Form.

Now, I am listing sign up for a Tier 3 or 4 series as grounds for a Amateur license, then making testing necessary for a Tier 2 and 1. Is this correct?

Tier ratings are completely separate from Licenses. I'm posting up all the graphics for allthe license emblems soon.

I don't think that licenses and tier should rely on each other.
Just IMO though.

I think that works best 👍

Amateur is granted with registration, and allows entry to a Tier 3 or 4 event. Intermediate is required for a Tier 2 (Though those already registered for an event that we rate as Tier 2 are not removed from the series, though they are asked to take the test anyways) and Tier 1 requires an Advanced license plus a designated number of series wins.

A Class licenses are to be more for the sake of prestige than anything as far as I can tell.

Or we can just do the whole thing as organizers having the option.

Yes.
But I like your idea about people that register being automatically given Amateur level licenses. Great thinking, should save some headaches.
But after that, who races where is all up to the organizers.

Sounds like a plan. Should I keep a thread with all drivers and their license status?

Nope, too much hassle. The Spreadsheet will be done tonight.

I think a separate racing code should be drafted along with a penalty system. I can volunteer to author. I've written a good starting base from WSGTC, although its mainly for mixed class racing discipline.

Thanks for wanting to help out with that. We should collab! I'll send you some stuff I have written up tomorrow. It's really GT5 specific, not Prologue like some parts of the OLR.

 

[JLawrence]

I want to keep it just on merit of its organizational purposes

 

[gogatrs]

I want to keep it just on merit of its organizational purposes

+1
good place to store information without cluttering the threads.

 

[CAM]

Nope, too much hassle. The Spreadsheet will be done tonight.

I already did it... Can't you check for stuff we've already done before ruling it out? That took some effort..

 

[gogatrs]

Speaking of GoogleDocs forms, can someone slap one of those together for applying for a position?
I'll see if I can do that on my iPod, but I doubt it...

 

[JLawrence]

Which GTR anyways? There are like a bajillion of them. The Spec-V perhaps? I already have one of those with out any permanent upgrades (engine upgrade/weight)

 

[CAM]

So should I delete the list I made? It seemed pretty comprehensive to me.

JL, the GT-R '07 is a recommended car, so that'd work best.

 

[gogatrs]

Which GTR anyways? There are like a bajillion of them. The Spec-V perhaps? I already have one of those with out any permanent upgrades (engine upgrade/weight)

The cars should all be in the recommended garage.

 

[Downhill Dino]

T4 Because of your use of a pace car, which is always ill-advised, tracks which are too long. It looks like you want to be able to run in the rain so I'd suggest you should add Suzuka instead of Circuit De La Sarthe and possibly Eiger Nordwand instead of Monza.
Getting rid of the pace car idea alone will get you a T3 rating.

R1600 mentioned the long tracks problem to if you saw. I think I now realize it should be changed.

Pace cars are ill-advised? Never knew. Wait, I see. Means 1 driver can't race right? When there could possibly be 16... I'll change I think about it.

Not sure what tracks to pick. And maybe I'll do the longer tracks as specials.

Thanks for your review. 👍

 

[Wardez]

You think there could be different license requirements for multi-class racing?

Nope

I want my Tier badge from Wardez.

Tonight 👍

Common cars on real tracks. Here's two ideas.

Mercedes SLS on Nurburgring GP/F
Nissan GTR on Suzuka Circuit
etc.

I like the SLS on Nurb GP. Suzuka's too easy for the GT-R. I'd rather put it somewhere where the AWD really gets kicked in. Trial mountain perhaps on Sport hards. That'll be for a medium level license probably.

I was thinking go up in difficulty with the car/track combo.
My thoughts:
Golf GTI at Monza
I like the SLS at Nurb GP/F
And then the Cobra at either Laguna or Cote d'Azure

Gold at Monza, nah. We need to pick a track that'll test FF prowess. Deep Forest comes to mind, Autumn Ring. Cobra @ Laguna would be sick.

Online, grip reduction real.

And as for tires, do whatever those particular cars come stock with out of the dealer.

Also to add: tire wear off for consistency so we don't have to worry about different driving styles.

My vote is still on Trial Mt for the Cobra. The old Shelby's are my favorite cars aside from the Spitfire, and Trial Mt is more or less my "home track." I know exactly what they're capable of there and what a reasonable time is.

But regardless of that, you give me the combinations and I will tomorrow evening set about to finding good times for them. I think Deep Forest with a relatively powerful front wheel drive car would be a good one for the Advanced just by merit of the fact that it is a popular track, and because of the camber in the corners, none too kind to understeering cars. Maybe for variety we could throw in a four wheel drive for the Amateur test and more or less cover all of the styles of cars? Maybe a Subaru Impreza on Suzuka?


And, let me be Wardez here and say that we need to slow down. Maybe we can decide on the car and track combinations, but the actual times should come from the average of a couple of us in any given setting. Like I said, tomorrow night I will be on to do some test runs, and we can get together and discuss how to go about it. In the mean time, how about you guys shoot me a friend request (GTP_SpitRacer) and we will worry about finalizing all of this on the track hmm?

No need to get technical trying to figure out an average of a couple random people's times. We need to be more methodical with it and test out a couple different ways of fishing for a benchmark time. 'cause remember we're only going to need one time for each test. As we go up the "ladder" of license levels the minimum time a driver needs to meet will get closer and closer to that "record time" I mentioned in an earlier post.

 

[gogatrs]

So should I delete the list I made? It seemed pretty comprehensive to me.

JL, the GT-R '07 is a recommended car, so that'd work best.

Don't delete it yet, we'll probably end up copy and pasting that into a spreadsheet.