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[CodeRedR51]

I based that system on the challenge/speed of the series itself, not entirely based on driver skill alone.

Edit: Based on what you are saying, I think FMSC would be a Tier 2 series as well. But I moved it down to Tier 3 because of the speed of the cars and they are fairly easy to drive.

 

[JLawrence]

Have you driven a GT350 or a Stratos? Lol

But, yeah I get where you're coming from. That's a logical way of doing it, but still some adjustments may need to be done based on driver skill. Maybe not immediately, but after a little time when we can see how things pan out?

 

[Zuel]

I've started a Ferrari F10 Formula 2 series using only medium to hard tires only with full damage on. Not to many have joined due the the wheel shack that you get if the F10 suspension is not properly tuned. I know it doesn't fall under full Formula 1 in Tier 1. Plus don't you have to be asked to add your race series?

 

[Downhill Dino]

I based that system on the challenge/speed of the series itself, not entirely based on driver skill alone.

Edit: Based on what you are saying, I think FMSC would be a Tier 2 series as well. But I moved it down to Tier 3 because of the speed of the cars and they are fairly easy to drive.

Aren't Minis just as fast as Miatas? Or is it because they're FF?

 

[Zuel]

Seriously, I think that is the way it should be done. If you come in under the ORB banner with a beginner license, you should start out in a Tier 4 series until you get a championship or enough wins to qualify to move up to Tier 3, etc. This really is a better way to do it, but I know my idea will get shot down. (or ignored like it has been)

It is a good idea.

 

[Wardez]

So you're pretty much putting series into tiers based off the difficulty of the cars instead of the difficulty of the racers.

It is a better system in the sense that it throws out subjectivity which always helps but I can't help to think that people are still going to be making "F1 WORLD ULTIMATE SPEED GLOBE SPEED XXXXXXXXXXXX" series so we would really have to be critical of who's allowed in to make higher tiered series.

And if someone wanted to come in and start an F1 series with ORB right away but didn't know what they were doing, would we just not let them start it?
Or would you force them to start a different league? That's a drawback to your system.

In my system we would just make his F1 series T4 so we need some sort of brilliant compromise to bring the two strengths together...

 

[MitchZ06]

Start all new series as T4 with an application for higher tier status to be granted only after each season?

 

[CodeRedR51]

But, yeah I get where you're coming from. That's a logical way of doing it, but still some adjustments may need to be done based on driver skill.

Maybe a dual Tier'd system?

Plus don't you have to be asked to add your race series?

You may have to get it approved. Not sure how they want to do that.

Aren't Minis just as fast as Miatas? Or is it because they're FF?

I didn't really look over your thread, I just assumed really. Like I said, they could be bumped up to Tier 2.

In my system we would just make his F1 series T4 so we need some sort of brilliant compromise to bring the two strengths together...

There's a lot of us here. I think with some help, we could make their series what it needs to be. Or create an application process that needs an approval before they can start the series.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Sounds good to me. Best to view results and such before deciding.

 

[Wardez]

Seriously, I think that is the way it should be done. If you come in under the ORB banner with a beginner license, you should start out in a Tier 4 series until you get a championship or enough wins to qualify to move up to Tier 3, etc. This really is a better way to do it, but I know my idea will get shot down. (or ignored like it has been)

Edit: Thanks Ruta. I'll mark it as Taken. I would be glad to help. 👍

Hmm, this has potential but early on I can only see it working if we had specific ORB made series... which is another idea. They'd be simple and really easy to participate in... hmm...

 

[CodeRedR51]

Hmm, this has potential but early on I can only see it working if we had specific ORB made series... which is another idea. They'd be simple and really easy to participate in... hmm...

That's how I plan on doing the Hard Dog Challenge. It's going to be really relaxed and not as serious as FMSC.

 

[W3H5]

You guys don't mind if I use your title (ORB) to claim endorsement for my competition do you? I only want to use the name so that it adds to the effect of my page and gives you some free publicity.

 

[JLawrence]

Doesn't bother me a bit.

 

[gogatrs]

You guys don't mind if I use your title (ORB) to claim endorsement for my competition do you? I only want to use the name so that it adds to the effect of my page and gives you some free publicity.

That's fine, with Wardez's permission you can use the logos too if you would like.
But please link to the OP. 👍

As for RT's idea.
We could have two different tier sets...
Or a tier and a star rating or something like that.

 

[CAM]

I've been busy lately, but has anyone presented the idea of having us actually start some of the more popular ideas for series (i.e. Super GT, NASCAR, DTM, etc.) to make things more competitive? Like only for S Licensees?

 

[Downhill Dino]

I don't see a Nascar series so I guess that's free to be made. Maybe DTM as there's only one of those currently running. (On their 3rd season!)

@ gogatrs
I thought we took up the tier system rather then stars? I don't like stars. Seems... a little "flashy" to me.
How would two different tier systems work anyways?

 

[gogatrs]

I don't see a Nascar series so I guess that's free to be made. Maybe DTM as there's only one of those currently running. (On their 3rd season!)

@ gogatrs
I thought we took up the tier system rather then stars? I don't like stars. Seems... a little "flashy" to me.
How would two different tier systems work anyways?

One tier system for competitiveness/organization, and one for actual speed like RT suggested.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I still don't like the speed of cars idea. One is rating is enough. And would it be possibly confusing to viewers and participants?

 

[leowan731]

I would like a job too. As for tiers and series, I think a four tier system would be perfect. You can have stock cars(literally) racing with no problems at the bottom. When someone has eclipsed 100 points or something, they move up to the next tier. The second tier would be the 550pp series or other pp set series. And the third would be minor racecars like rm elises and rm cappuccinos. Karts, if wanted would be the first or second tiers with NASCAR, SuperGT, WRC, and formula cars at the top tier.

 

[gogatrs]

I still don't like the speed of cars idea. One is rating is enough. And would it be possibly confusing to viewers and participants?

Yeah, I was just thinking out loud.
Just a compromise I thought up.

 

[CAM]

I feel like I'm not being very helpful lately.. Anything I can do to help?

 

[leowan731]

Go play MW2.

 

[JLawrence]

Go play MW2.

Not following...

Anyways. I think the tier rating should be a combined speed and skill rating. No need for two different tiers, as that'll not only be too much effort (yes I'm lazy) but unnecessary.

 

[CAM]

We're both frequent posters in the Modern Warfare 2 thread. Did I cause any problems?

 

[leowan731]

Noo. Not yet. Anyone have any input on my idea?

 

[Zuel]

I just over read the begining of the thread. I must say this was really though out and well planed. Is there any more info on the OBR besides what has been posted in the thread?

 

[CAM]

We have a social group, but there isn't much in it. I'm not sure how far along our Google Docs are.

 

[JLawrence]

I would like a job too. As for tiers and series, I think a four tier system would be perfect. You can have stock cars(literally) racing with no problems at the bottom. When someone has eclipsed 100 points or something, they move up to the next tier. The second tier would be the 550pp series or other pp set series. And the third would be minor racecars like rm elises and rm cappuccinos. Karts, if wanted would be the first or second tiers with NASCAR, SuperGT, WRC, and formula cars at the top tier.

It wouldn't work.
Mainly because most of the people that play this game are like me, and don't have any desire to work their way up the ranks to play with the cars they want to. Remember, just because a group is full of race cars doesn't mean it will be the most competitive. From what I gather R1600's Flyin Miata series is one of the more competitive and full of the most skilled drivers around, but they're still in Miatas. The Tiers need to focus more on the participants rather than the cars they're in.

 

[CAM]

It wouldn't work.
Mainly because most of the people that play this game are like me, and don't have any desire to work their way up the ranks to play with the cars they want to. Remember, just because a group is full of race cars doesn't mean it will be the most competitive. From what I gather R1600's Flyin Miata series is one of the more competitive and full of the most skilled drivers around, but they're still in Miatas. The Tiers need to focus more on the participants rather than the cars they're in.

👍 Have I missed much JL?

 

[Wardez]

How about this for the tests:
Only one car on one track for the first group of licenses, then one challenge in order to become eligilble for A class licenses? So it would be one car and one track then three times, an Amateur (Bronze) time, Intermediate (Silver) and Advanced (Gold). Then after that you have to get yourself a base A-class Amateur license in order to be certified to go on to earn higher A-class licenses by getting race wins. (Also, should only race wins won AFTER you have an A-class Amateur license count toward higher A-class licenses? Or should we count any race wins and or championships they've gotten from before they were A-class?)


As far as the tier system goes I imagined it being thought out somewhat like how fighting game players rate different characters. There's really well balanced and adaptable "T1" characters that everyone uses for serious competition and then other characters fall in at lower tiers.

I used that logic in picking tier levels for series. As in are these rules, cars, and race format good for fair, balanced and fun racing?

Questions I'd ask: If it's a multi-car series are the cars that are said to be balanced at the certain described PP or power and weight levels proven to be so? If not then it needs to be. (cite GT4 and WSGTC for a good example of good proven homogolation)

Do the regulations or rules allow people to be compensated for bad actions put against them during a race?

If it's a championship, does the points system make sense in a GT5 online environment?

Are the tracks suitable for the type of racing the series is aiming for?

Are the performance specifics of the race vehicles reasonable and balanced (for instance, there's a lot of cars in GT5 that just should not be fully tuned)? In that it doesn't make the cars too hard or too easy to drive?


Things that are not considered, age/demographic of the group, graphical presentation (could be all text for all I care), location, times, length of series (spot races are welcome), etc.

There would be no easy way of gauging the competition of the drivers until we get every one licensed.

Right now the tier system is rating the platform on which the racers are going to be. This still needs to be really thought out. brb going to work.