GTP WRS-Online : Event 30 : Why has it Denso Long? - Apr 4

[Hydro]

Hydro, if you want, you can PM me how the car feels and if you have tyre wear issues etc, and I'll try to give you some tweaks to the tune over PM if you'd like. 👍

Hydro, if you want, you can PM me how the car feels and if you have tyre wear issues etc, and I'll try to give you some tweaks to the tune over PM if you'd like. 👍

Thanks Dennis, but it seems like the problem is solved.
I'm convinced the Petronas is slower at this track.

I ran 2 days of testing in the Petronas and my PB was 48.1.
Today I ran about 15 laps in the Petronas and I hit .47 twice - (.7xx and .999)
So I switched to the Denso I broke in last night and my first lap was 47.3.
I then ran 2 sets of 1 out lap and 3 hot laps.
Denso:
47.2 | 47.4 | 47.8
47.3 | 47.6 | 47.9

Petronas:
48.2 | 47.9 | 48.3
47.8 | 47.7 | 48.1

All testing was done with Dion's (Small fryz) tune on both cars.
I know the cars are supposedly identical, but I'm not finding that to be the case. I just changed my registration to the Denso.

 

[WRP001]

Hydro's evidence is real and I'm not questioning it, but to give all sides of the story nobody else who has driven both cars has noticed much of any difference (to my knowledge). I'm personally running the exact same times with both cars.

I'm still planning to drive one model for EU and a different model for NA.

 

[Denilson]

As I said earlier, the 2 cars do have diferent caracteristics.. very small differences, but still. And sometimes the difference between good and bad times are surprisingly small.

 

[Hydro]

Hydro's evidence is real and I'm not questioning it, but to give all sides of the story nobody else who has driven both cars has noticed much of any difference (to my knowledge). I'm personally running the exact same times with both cars.

I'm still planning to drive one model for EU and a different model for NA.

As I said earlier, the 2 cars do have diferent caracteristics.. very small differences, but still. And sometimes the difference between good and bad times are surprisingly small.

It's very possible that the differences are slight enough that other drivers don't notice yet still different enough that it affects My driving style more than others.
Otherwise, I have no way of explaining it either

I wouldn't say everyone needs to jump ship from the Petronas, but if you have both cars broken in, it might be a good idea to try both with identical setups just to see if it makes a difference 👍
I really wanted to be in the Petronas

 

[Denilson]

It's very possible that the differences are slight enough that other drivers don't notice yet still different enough that it affects My driving style more than others.
Otherwise, I have no way of explaining it either

I wouldn't say everyone needs to jump ship from the Petronas, but if you have both cars broken in, it might be a good idea to try both with identical setups just to see if it makes a difference 👍
I really wanted to be in the Petronas

Imo, you can't use the exact same tune for both of them. As I said, they're slightly different in caracteristics. The PETRONAS feels more understeery initially, and requires a different type of tune compared to the DENSO. But from my experiance, they're spot on equal in terms of pace with a good setup.

I know many use the same tune for both, but for me, I needed to make the PETRONAS rotate more compared to the DENSO iirc (It was some time ago I tryed them both out.. Like 5 mounths ago).

 

[WRP001]

Could be at least a partial explanation as Dion developed his tune for the Denso and it would make sense to be optimal with that car. I haven't run Dion's time but CSL's stable tune works pretty much the same for me with both cars. But then again, due to my paddles being busted, I'm stuck with AT transmission so maybe I'm not a good measure of the car's capability.

 

[Small_Fryz]

I tried the Petronas for 5 laps and I was .5 off my Denso time (46.7 vs 46.2) however i agree with Dennis, I noticed it was more understeery. Might be worth lowering the rear ride height a few clicks on my tune and trying again. I was able to match the Denso in T1 but lost time in the middle sector, if we assume I can tune the Petronas more aggressively then I also assume I could make the time up and come out about even.

Also, Wes is too fast on a DS3

 

[Gravitron]

Yeah, Wes should be forced to race one hand tied behind his back.

That, or drive the horribly ugly road version! 👎👎

 

[Ealirendur]

Remembering that I'm not actually running in a feature race, I have the Denso from the original offline trial (didn't run it, but prepped it) run in with Rigidity Improvement, and the Petronas run in so far without. So far, I've tried Dom's loose tune for the Denso (I bought and ran in the Petronas afterward), and that seemed pleasant enough (except at the hairpin, as Tim mentioned). Mind you, I've only had 5-10 laps or so, and I noticed I was losing a full second to Tim in T2 (.5 of which was probably vanishing at the hairpin), but only a tenth or two in the others, which is normal for me. (Time was a 1'48.3, IIRC).

So, to the point - Rigidity Improvement on these cars? Bad idea unless one makes the setup more crazy?

I'll have a chance to do some testing tonight in session the lounge, if anyone wants something specific tried. I'd prefer to avoid doing the Rigidity Improvement on the Petronas, but I can always try and reload, I guess.

I'm happy to send one of the run-in cars to any one needy supplicant, if someone needs to jump ship, but the Denso has Rigidity, as stated. I can run in another to send, but I wouldn't have it ready for the EU slot unless you beg a lot (NA OK).

 

[Hydro]

Remembering that I'm not actually running in a feature race, I have the Denso from the original offline trial (didn't run it, but prepped it) run in with Rigidity Improvement, and the Petronas run in so far without. So far, I've tried Dom's loose tune for the Denso (I bought and ran in the Petronas afterward), and that seemed pleasant enough (except at the hairpin, as Tim mentioned). Mind you, I've only had 5-10 laps or so, and I noticed I was losing a full second to Tim in T2 (.5 of which was probably vanishing at the hairpin), but only a tenth or two in the others, which is normal for me. (Time was a 1'48.3, IIRC).

So, to the point - Rigidity Improvement on these cars? Bad idea unless one makes the setup more crazy?

I'll have a chance to do some testing tonight in session the lounge, if anyone wants something specific tried. I'd prefer to avoid doing the Rigidity Improvement on the Petronas, but I can always try and reload, I guess.

I'm happy to send one of the run-in cars to any one needy supplicant, if someone needs to jump ship, but the Denso has Rigidity, as stated. I can run in another to send, but I wouldn't have it ready for the EU slot unless you beg a lot (NA OK).

My original Denso had Chassis reinforcement installed (I used to install it on practically everything ) but I bought another one and found the car is much better on it's own.

IMO Ren, some cars it helps, others it hurts, and sometimes with a slightly different tune it's basically the same.
How's that for helpful
The 🤬 Alfa from last week's race was literally undrivable with chassis reinforcement on.

 

[Denilson]

There's one more thing I need to get right before I commit to this one..

In the OP, the countdown timer is set to Tuesday, 19.00 PM (GMT) for the EU race. Is this the quali deadline, or the actual "greeen flag" time?
I suppose it's the "green flag" time, but if so, I can't see a quali deadline.

 

[Ealirendur]

My original Denso had Chassis reinforcement installed (I used to install it on practically everything ) but I bought another one and found the car is much better on it's own.

IMO Ren, some cars it helps, others it hurts, and sometimes with a slightly different tune it's basically the same.
How's that for helpful

About what I thought. I remember someone (Dom?) saying that it can occasionally be used to fix terminal understeer by allowing more extreme setups to work, but the effectiveness certainly varies by car. Anyways, I'll be able to test the Petronas without, and I was also trying to give context about what I could test or send.

The 🤬 Alfa from last week's race was literally undrivable with chassis reinforcement on.

I KNOW, RIGHT? And that was offline, in my case. I assumed that it would help fix that car, but oh lord no. I think the madness of testing it briefly with it installed helped my one session run without it, but still...

The MR2 was also awful with it, so it certainly doesn't always give more understeer. I think the added rigidity increases throttle-off oversteer through the drivetrain shock, just like the race flywheel/twin clutch do in light cars. Add that to Skinny Tire Syndrome and Comforts....

EDIT: Dennis, quali starts at the slot time (counter end time), rather than the race beginning.

 

[Denilson]

Ok, thanks Ealirendur.

Guess I'm out then..

 

[Ealirendur]

Ok, thanks Ealirendur.

Guess I'm out then..

Check with the guys with your actual time frame. FWIW, I recall usually being finished by Slot+1.5 hrs, and the event settings look like the actual race will clock in just under an hour, with quali probably being 10-15 minutes for the split rooms. Ask!

 

[mcfizzle]

Hi guys,

I thought I was going to be free in the afternoon to run the EU race but it turns out I will be out of the house all day. Sorry, have fun tomorrow.👍

 

[Hydro]

Check with the guys with your actual time frame. FWIW, I recall usually being finished by Slot+1.5 hrs, and the event settings look like the actual race will clock in just under an hour, with quali probably being 10-15 minutes for the split rooms. Ask!

That's pretty much spot on Ren 👍
If we are runing more than 10 drivers for the EU race (16 currently) we will split the drivers into 2 groups for Quali (out lap, 2 hot laps) which will probably mean the race starts closer to 20 minutes past the hour.
Add ~55 minutes to an hour for the race itself and realistically it's a 90 minute event this week. - for the most part, all of our weekly events run about 90 minutes.

 

[Denilson]

I thought the quali deadline was at 19.00 PM (GMT) tomorrow, and that the actual race was this weekend.

But that's not the way it is unfortunatly. So I'll defenetly can't participate.

But good luck to all of you who'll race! 👍

 

[WRP001]

I thought the quali deadline was at 19.00 PM (GMT) tomorrow, and that the actual race was this weekend.

But that's not the way it is unfortunatly. So I'll defenetly can't participate.

But good luck to all of you who'll race! 👍

Dennis we do our weekly WRS-based races Wednesday every week. We only run on weekends for special events which are appx once a month We almost always do live qualifying for them right before the race although at times we just use WRS submission times.

 

[Ealirendur]

In lounge now.

EDIT: Done. Thanks, Jon!

 

[Allibubba99]

I am going to 3D3 lounge for some more practice.

Al

 

[rezaalli]

Hey, i registered yesterday.. but my name hasnt show up

 

[WRP001]

Hey, i registered yesterday.. but my name hasnt show up

Are you on the Official GTP Registry? From the OP:

:: Only Open to Qualified GTP_Registered Members ::​

If you are not on the registry follow the directions in GTP WRS-Online : Comprehensive Guide and you can participate in one of these races after your qualifier submission is processed.

 

[NINE_HUNDRED]

I predict this race will be the 2nd time I'll be lapped. During the the first mini race we did last night, I was in 3rd and by the 2nd lap Wes and Dion were already 4 seconds ahead of me That coupled with me pitting every 5 laps, it doesn't look promising.

 

[Hydro]

***Practice, and Quali info for today's EU race:

For todays EU race we have 16 drivers registered 👍 so mics will be disabled for the Quali session(s) and the race.
In order to accoplish this, we will be using two different rooms:

For pre-race practice the main lobby - 3D3Racing - will be open with Mics enabled.
As we get closer to the start of the Quali session a steward will leave the lobby and setup "3D3_A" for the quali and race sessions.
All drivers can then exit the 3D3 Racing lobby and enter the 3D3_A lobby once directed to do so by a second steward.
Please do not enter the 3D3_A lobby if there are no other drivers in the room yet.

 

[AspecBob]

I'm switching cars for the two races. I just got the Denso, so it won't be broken in in time for the EU race.

 

[w-g-e]

I'm switching cars for the two races. I just got the Denso, so it won't be broken in in time for the EU race.

'Route X'.

 

[AspecBob]

Yeah, but then I have to do all the dirty work myself I just sent my Bob (G.Oh -- first name Gung?) on the 300km GV enduro, but I'll have to stop him before pre-race practice.

 

[Hydro]

Yeah, but then I have to do all the dirty work myself I just sent my Bob (G.Oh -- first name Gung?) on the 300km GV enduro, but I'll have to stop him before pre-race practice.

Pull him out of that race and put him in the Indy 500. The cars maintains a higher speed there so it breaks in in under an hour.

 

[AspecBob]

Yeah, I kinda realized that as I was writing the previous post... besides, I wouldn't have had to buy sport tires...

 

[Hydro]

3D3 Racing lobby is open for Pre-race practice.