GTP WRS-Online : Special VII - Le Mans Dream Car Enduro - Sept 9

[WRP001]

Ok, can public lobbies be password enabled? Just thinking of randoms that might jump in.

Randoms are the bad part, they are not protected and I have to kick them. Hopefully we get to 16 and lock them out. We'll see how this goes, the next test is to use my private lounge (or another private lounge) and see if 16 can run that way... but that's for another day.

Many series us public lobbies with great success so I'm sure we can too for special occasions where the track is large and we really want to have 16 drivers on track. For events on smaller track we'll split up anyway into two private lounges.

 

[mcfizzle]

Can't make it. Good luck and have fun guys.

 

[WRP001]

There are 3 spots open. We are starting the first race in 3 minutes.

 

[millross]

Thanks to whomever posted the ford setup....works nice on the jag, without the transmission of course!

Just did a first test of a full stint. 3'54s x2 then 3'56 3'58 3'57 4'00.1 4'03 and lap 8 including the pit in was a 4'15

Lap 8 is tricky....arnage and indianapolis are tough and the braking distances are noticeably wobbly.

3'52.9 or low 3'53 should be an approx best in the Jag.

Can post full setup if anyone is interested
Matt

 

[WRP001]

First race is done. If anyone wants to join we'll start in 12 minutes. 2 spots open as of now.

Millross, come join us!!!

1472-6118-3830-2748-1243

 

[Hydro]

Give me a second, just signing in

 

[WRP001]

OK, we'll wait a minute

 

[pilmat]

Damn traffic, I missed race 2!

 

[millross]

Too late.....hope you guys had fun

 

[Hydro]

Sorry you had to wait for me guys. In the end I'm just not that into this event yet.

 

[GTPorsche]

I think my preference will be Jag or Ferrari. I just don't like the Ford only having 4 gears. Otherwise it handles nicely until the tires wear out. The last lap and a half in the second race I was doing my best to hang on to the car and 5th place.

The Jag on the other hand, I've got no issues with it except it seems to lose grip on the tires sooner than the Ford does.

I'll have to try the Ferrari at some point on a long run to see how uneven the wear is that's been reported.

 

[MilleRSVR]

Hey guys, I had to exit out unexpectedly. I didn't get DC.

Good test, I need lots more practice.

 

[WRP001]

Good racing guys. The night definitely makes it a heck of a challenge and now I know I can't go 8 laps on tires... that's for sure. In the Jag I barely made 7 laps. With a long race fuel will help even it out some as more stops means less waiting for fuel.

At least with the public lobby experiment we proved 16 people can join a lobby. We can fall back on that if we ever have exactly 16 and want to run one grid. But we still have to try using my lounge at some point and see if it will let 16 including the lounge owner.

So we'll be looking for any feedback on the cars. IMO, at this point, we aren't making any major changes. Everyone has had a chance to try a few models in a race situation and we aren't mandating any fixed number of driver per car so we'll just let it play out... We are open to minor changes if there is overwhelming feedback all in the same direction.

Qualifying will open next week.

 

[millross]

Just breaking in the ford in bspec and will then see how that goes on a full stint. I don't have the prancing horse and probably won't have time to try it out anyway so am concentrating on the ford and jaguar.

 

[GTPorsche]

I think the performance between the 3 cars are fine as they are now. It's just being consistent on tire stints that changes everything.

I've run 3'53/3'54 in each car.

 

[snowgt]

I can't comment on the Ford, because I haven't driven it, but here's my verdict:

- Ferrari (jtv setup): quick, especially on acceleration. Tires wore out faster in the rear, so it was increasingly difficult to hold it on the track. 7 laps are possible, but 6&7 are not pretty.

- Jag (Praiano setup): You think you are mighty quick, because you can push it a lot harder than the Ferrari, but it's slower on acceleration and top speed, so overall times are not as quick after all. Higher speeds in corners, and very forgiving. I managed to do 8 laps pretty well, but also had to take it slow on the last one. Might even be capable of doing 9.

Summary: It's a 33 lap distance, so that means 8 lap stints will not give you any advantage, unless you can also do 9 at least once. So that means you either do a) 6*3+5*3, b) 7*3+6*2 or c) 9*1+8*3.

I would say Ford and Ferrari will be either on a) or b), while Jag will either be on b) or c).

The Jag might be slightly slower on sheer speed, but you might make up more than that by making less mistakes over the duration of the race (and maybe one less pitstop). It's also more than possible to follow in the slipstream of a Ford or Ferrari.

So, since I won't be able to race, I can give away what my choice would be: the Jag and strategy b).

 

[mohitraina91]

In da lounge

 

[WRP001]

Practice leaderboard is heating up a little.

I finally got under 3'50 after messing with the tranny a bit. I was in an awkward spot during the races today in the chicanes where the car was right between 1st and 2nd and neither felt right. Now feels better and gobs of time gained just there.

Still not happy with my lines in a few spots with the Ford tank. And my tire wear is terrible. But at least I'm in a better spot to quali now and worry about tires later.

Note: my practice times are all on the non time/weather track as that's wherever will run quali. I'm quite a bit slower in the dark. My favorite light is sunset, but it goes from day to night so fast.

Note: the time progression today was set to 24 which cycles a full day in an hour, but we will set to 10 for the enduro which should cycle on day in 2.4 hours. Any feedback as to whether we should run the support races at 24 also?

 

[millross]

Did a 15 lap race earlier with 1 pit stop and a total time of 59:50 in the Ford.

Had a couple of 3:51s but they were in the second stint after the pitstop on lower fuel and were also dirty by WRS standards in terms of running slightly wide.

I pitted at the end of lap 8 and even with the pit-in the clock stopped at 4:03, so doing 8 laps all under 4 minutes is definitely doable in the Ford, whereas I'm not sure it is in the Jag on the final lap of a stint. Not in my hands anyway, but I'll give it another run and see.

Having tested both I think the Ford is a tiny bit better on tyres, perhaps half a lap less wear - but not too much.

I still think I will be using the Jaguar. I feel like I have more oversteer moments and "potential mistakes" in the Ford, which are likely when it's night time, or, when I get tired or lose concentration in traffic or over the long race.

Since hardly anyone is using the Ferrari now, is it worth testing out the Ford with a single performance point less? The Ferrari needs to be the quicker car on a single lap given it seems you need to pit it more frequently?

Not saying it's "the answer", but just a shame that the Ferrari appears a little bit hindered and 3 or 4 have jumped to the Ford (...and understandably so)

 

[Racingworld68]

I am comfy in the Ferrari and I will probably race in the Ferrari. Yesterday I was able to run both races on 1 set of tyres. Have done a practise race on my own and was able to do a 9 lapper on several occasions. Will try a full enduro probably next weekend....

 

[Michouw]

Hi , the time progression 10 👍 24=2day for 2.4H

 

[jtv90069]

Currently in the lounge trying to make the Ferrari a bit more friendly .
Feel free to join in, and I'll post my changes/findings later.

 

[Litchi]

Well, I haven't read what are the track boundaries rules yet. So I just want to remind what are the PURE boundaries. We ran these boundaries few times and i'm familiar with. I'll read the old pages in this thread to see if there's some changes from those one

The most comprehensive PURE Circuit De La Sarthe track boundary layout ever attempted.

It doesn't get much more clear than this. Some people sculpt, other people make cute little custom steampunk pocket watches (ever seen those? Some of them have working pressure gauges - so awesome), I make interactive clickable track boundary maps complete with animated gif demonstrations.

(NOTE: These examples are most definitely not the fastest way around the track, in most circumstances below I've gone out of my way or driven erratically in order to more clearly illustrate what is and what is not acceptable)

Regular hyperlinks for the interactively challenged -​

Clean run through CALM Circuit De La Sarthe:
Dunlop Curve - T1

Dunlop Chicane 1 - T2

Dunlop Chicane 2 - T2

Dunlop Chicane 3 - T3

Dunlop Chicane 4 - T3 Exit

Esses (Cones) - T4

Esses (Bollards) - T5

Tertre Rouge 1 - T6

Tertre Rouge 2 - T6

(General) Red track, clean.

Playstation Chicane 1 - T7

Playstation Chicane 2 - T7

Michelin Chicane 1 - T8

Michelin Chicane 2 - T8

Mulsanne Corner 1 - T9

Mulsanne Corner 2 - T9

Indianapolis - T10/11

Arnage - T12

Porsche Curves 1 - T15

Porsche Curves 2 - T17

Porsche Curves 3 - T17 Exit

Ford Chicanes 1 - T18/19

Ford Chicanes 2 - T20/21



_______________________________________



Dirty run through CALM Circuit De La Sarthe:
Dunlop Curve - T1

Dunlop Chicane 1 - T2

Dunlop Chicane 2 - T3

Dunlop Chicane 3 - T3 Exit

Esses (Cones) - T4

Esses (Bollards) - T5

Tertre Rouge 1 - T6

Tertre Rouge 2 - T6

Playstation Chicane 1 - T7

Playstation Chicane 2 - T7

Michelin Chicane 1 - T8

Michelin Chicane 2 - T8

Mulsanne Corner 1 - T9

Mulsanne Corner 2 - T9

Indianapolis - T10/11

Arnage - T12

Porsche Curves 1 - T15

Porsche Curves 2 - T17

Porsche Curves 3 - T17 Exit

Ford Chicanes 1 - T18/19

Ford Chicanes 2 - T20/21

And yea, i think time progression 10 is the good way to go since we used 8 for the 3 hours of Le Mans in CALM

 

[jtv90069]

In the test races I used the Ferrari and the Ford. The Ford was much much better under brakes and generally alot more stable. The Ferrari was very difficult to control when braking a bit late and tends to tear up the rear tyres from sliding and heavy acceleration, while the front tyres barely get any wear.

The changes to my setup greatly increases stability while braking, and has introduced a little more slip understeer from the front tyres. Not enough to even out tyre wear but maybe a little better(only done 4 lap runs so far).

Ferrari 330P4

RH -5/-6
SR 11.8/10.4
Ext 6/6
Com 5/5
ARB 2/2
CA 2.0/1.6
TA 0.00/0.10

LSD 8/12/60

BB 3/0

^^Changes in Red^^

P.S. PB now at 50.8

EDIT: Transmission setting

Default
FG = 5.500
Max Speed(bottom) = 220
1st = 2.600
2nd = 1.803
3rd = 1.428
4th = 1.187
5th = 1.001
FG = 3.136
Max Speed in top right = 360kph

 

[millross]

Great effort with the 50.8 Jon 👍

 

[WRP001]

Litchi, we share most boundaries with PURE, but not all if them.

Example: The red on the sides of the mulsane straights are off track in the WRS. For the right turn at the end of the mulsane straight there are differences on entry. The line in the middle of the road has been ruled by us not to be the track boundary so you can take a wider entry here versus PURE.

Basically reference the "flyin down mulsanne WRS TT event" as we are following that. However that was without chicanes. The PURE boundaries in the chicane match what we use.

I'm not 100% sure those are the only exceptions so if anyone sees others please ask.

Basically, just keep the car on the track... You will be slapped with a 2 sec penalty if you wonder out of bounds (every time you do so) so play it safe wrt boundaries. You've got one lap with no redo, this isn't the TT where you can rerun so play with fire at your own risk.

Qualifying with a 4 minute lap with no retry is going to be frightening, but pretty cool too.

PS> We are pretty much set on 10 for the time progression for the enduro as that makes total sense. 👍 But my question was really what drivers want to see for the ~55 minute support races. Do they want a full 24 hour cycle in one hour (setting 24), or would they rather have a slower progression and start in the afternoon and end in the evening. The time change gets kind of "hokey" if it is set too fast... day to night in one sector is silly. We had it set to 24 for the test races (30 minute races = 12 hour time progression) and that didn't seem too bad and will allow us one 24 hour cycle in one hour.

 

[millross]

Qualifying with a 4 minute lap with no retry is going to be frightening, but pretty cool too.

+1 - Will be awesome. I hope I'm not one of the few who will bin it

 

[Racingworld68]

+1 - Will be awesome. I hope I'm not one of the few who will bin it

Feeling the tension here already

 

[jtv90069]

Great effort with the 50.8 Jon 👍

Thanks Millross

PS> We are pretty much set on 10 for the time progression for the enduro as that makes total sense. 👍 But my question was really what drivers want to see for the ~55 minute support races. Do they want a full 24 hour cycle in one hour (setting 24), or would they rather have a slower progression and start in the afternoon and end in the evening. The time change gets kind of "hokey" if it is set too fast... day to night in one sector is silly. We had it set to 24 for the test races (30 minute races = 12 hour time progression) and that didn't seem too bad and will allow us one 24 hour cycle in one hour.

I think I would prefer 12 and finish at night. Keep the sunrise for the main event

 

[WRP001]

+1 - Will be awesome. I hope I'm not one of the few who will bin it

I think it's going to take a change of mindset. In fact not just the qualification, but this entire event. In this case I think 85% > 99% given the risk.

I learned in the test races yesterday that driving 3'52 instead of 3'54 is actually not faster over even a short stint. These cars are so tricky to handle that the risk at 3'52 is exponentially higher and then when tires drop the risk goes up exponentially. Tire saving will be much more important here than any of the past events as will risk management.

I have the same feeling about the quali now. I think shooting for a 3'48-3'49, which is within my reach for a practice lap, is going to be just too crazy risky. Go for that and I could end up with 4'02+ and not make room A. In the previous enduros I ran within 0.3 to 0.6 of my personal best almost every time. And people actually hit PRs during quali. I don't see that happening here with one shot and such a long lap with cars that do not exhibit dream handling characteristics I'm thinking the gap will more likely be 3 seconds from PR to actual quali lap. We'll see though. With more practice maybe a controlled 3'50 will be possible and the gap with only be a couple seconds.

It will be fun to see the great variation in the quali results, between crashing, people taking risks that pay off and people managing risk to bank a decent lap. 👍

I think I would prefer 12 and finish at night. Keep the sunrise for the main event

Agree, that was the formula for the test races and I think finishing at night is just fine, but it's a requirement to start during the day. It's tricky with the room setup, as the time just keeps going so when the room is open you have to calculate the exact start time and figure on the race start time. I guess if I open the room an hour early I'll have to start the room at midnight with 12 progression which means it'll be noon when the actual race gets going... I'll probably set start time to be more like 10:00 PM because by the time everyone is ready and reg checks are done it's at least 10 past the hour. Issue with that is all pre-race practice is basically in the dark. I'd really like to avoid room resets if at all possible. The advantage of setting 24 progression is that it makes it easy because the pre-race hour is a full 24 hour cycle and then the race hour is a full cycle.