GTP_Registry Discussion Thread (GT5)

[mardiearse]

Hi am new to this sit,i would like to take part in the AMG Mercedes event, but it does not say what the BHP should be so can someone help me please. Thanks

 

[Stevisiov]

I expect that you will find a few div1 racers get misplaced quite badly, and I expect this qualifier will get dropped pretty quickly if that happens.

I disagree on the ghost issue though. On a two minute lap a ghost/sector times is worth over a second, purely because you can use your time more effectively by abandoning many laps much earlier and by fine tuning the lap corner-by-corner instead of having to deal with it all in one go.

I guarantee you that a ghost is not worth a second with my time, let alone 'over a second'.

Also, if a ghost makes a laptime slower, then it will make everyones laptime slower so what's the problem.

 

[Synwraith]

This is a bit of a pain really. Not only is it two pretty long qualifiers where one sector would have been more than enough, but it's sectors where the number of completed laps per 100 is probably 10 or less because this track is so much trial and error (and a bit of luck how the car actually decides to land). Added to that is the annoyance that you can't load a ghost and you don't even get sector times displayed mid lap so you've no way of knowing if the lap you are on is any good. It's a good way of extracting very sub-optimal laps from everyone, but I don't think that's the point of the exercise.

Without other people's times to follow I always place a lot lower than I am capable of when splits are being provided (several divisions) and whilst I obviously don't expect splits here this is probably several weeks worth of effort for me to produce a division 4 laptime only to be producing division 2 laptimes in the WRC a week later.

I feel that your issues have already been addressed.

It's useful to use trackside markers to make your own splits. For example, when doing the sector 4 event in the 300SL, I would use the over track sign at the start of the main straight to determine my progress.
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There were a number of reasons why we decided to go with this event. If we could've gone for something that was suitable and available straight off the bat we would've done so. If only it was that easy.
It's about what works best for everyone, even for the poor souls who have have spent months organising things to get to this point.

Unfortunately the current limitations of the game forced the mods to work around those limitations with a more complicated qualifier. There is currently no way of verifying equal equipment by running an arcade or practice mode time trial; I thought the use of a special event was quite ingenious actually 👍

We welcome ideas, comments, and feedback on the format of the WRS. We strive to make the event a positive one for all participants, but recognize that it will never be all things to all people.

Almost all WRS events will involve a fair amount of repetition. There are a few exceptional talents that can achieve their limit within a half hour or so of hot lapping, but most of us mortals require more time than that. This is one of the reasons that the qualifier is running for such a long time: to allow each participant the time to find their own limit prior to submission.

Also, our selection of these specific events for the qualifier was done after much deliberation. I can't get into the details, but rest assured that the primary driving factor behind the selection was to ensure a level playing field for all participants, a key factor in keeping the experience a positive one.

We get that you would like to set the car up to suit you before attempting to be competitive on any given combo, and to be able to prove what you can actually do with a given car on a given racetrack. Surely you believe that every competitor here would like for every car to be more suited to their own driving preferences in order to do as well as possible every week. However, there are some things you must understand about the nature of the WRS:

• - The WRS qualifier is intended to place competitors in a division where they are surrounded by others of a similar ability who they can compete with, while at the same time comparing themselves to the very best who are competing alongside them on a weekly basis. By forcing people to run a qualifier to the same specifications as all other potential competitors, on a completely level playing field (apart from a very small minority who the AMG SLS may naturally suit in its current guise) at a technical racetrack, they are more likely to end up in a division where their weekly results will not result in them being out of their depth. It is no coincidence that those who end up at the top of the results sheet week in week out do so whether the combo is FWD, AWD, RWD, whether tuning is allowed or not.
  
  
• - There were reasons for picking this event as a qualifier, and it was discussed extensively between the Race Admin team. The nature of the WRS is that we run to what was previously called "Professional Physics", and in GT5 that equates to turning off Skid Recovery Force. This combo was selected as the qualifier because it guarantees that all drivers are running without SRF and therefore any artificially enhancing performance aid is automatically non-selectable. This helps us to place drivers in an appropriate WRS division, considering the fact that weekly events will also not allow the use of this aid. The fact that our criteria was met by a combo that happened to be one of the Special Events is coincidental and not representative of the WRS as a whole.

I'm no expert but I will try to help

Brake just around the "apex" of that curvy bit before the karusell (Look on your right and you see the curb curve). As your braking and approaching the corner place the car on the right of the track, then turn and "drop" into the karusell aiming to go "under" it (all done on the brakes still). When done right your speed will carry you up the banking but fall just short of getting flung out. This allows you to brake quite late and keep the apex speed high, the trick is managing to slow the car down enough without continuing over the top.

I found that is a better entry than simply "following the banking smoothly" as It seems to allow faster entry as well as load the tyres for a higher apex speed. I suggest trying that F40 License test and experimenting with a few techniques to improve, as that license test is solely the karusell.

Once in the karusell, transition from brakes to around 50 - 60% throttle in 2nd gear. Keep the car on the banking without dropping to low (means your going to slow) or falling out (obviously too fast). Keep your speed as high as possible, avoid wild pumping at the gas as this will cause your speed too vary to much which will lose time compared to a nice consistent input.

When the exit is sighted floor it and change to 3rd as you pop out. The exit should be relatively smooth and not feel like you were "flung out" over the edge. If you come out too soon you will understeer pretty badly and even find yourself running over the grass on the right. You want to avoid any sense of understeer on exit as that kills your speed and run for the next straight.

Anyway Hopefully that helps .

If anybody actually found that helpful I would be willing to offer my 2 cents on other sections as well 👍

The idea is that competitors and participants will put in as much time and effort into the qualifier as they would on a given week for WRS and push themselves based on where they can see improvements in their own driving. The end result will place you in a division appropriate to your input in terms of time and persistance as well as ability.

Knowing the cutoffs for a certain division or the times of fellow competitors can result in members either trying desperately hard for 4 weeks to get into say Division 1 and then find themselves soundly beaten on a weekly basis, or conversely aiming low and not putting in as much effort as we would appreciate, therefore soundly beating their peers weekly because they didn't push themselves enough in the quali.

During the WRS proper, on most weeks competitors never post their final times either. We just share split times and the results are only published at the end of a week's running. This keeps things interesting and helps keep participants motivated. The qualifier follows this format to some degree.

Its funny how most of us are trying so hard for this qualifier when the times will never be posted . Will the list be published in "fastest to slowest"? or you just get put in a division and the list be in alphabetical order?

I must say though, I think its a good combo choice from the admin, Its technical but not frustrating and the car handles quite well. Really am quite happy with it 👍.

@ LinPark
Learning to experiment and judge for yourself the best way around a set of corners without the help of your ghost is a skill that will help you a lot in real time racing and make you much faster earlier. It also guarantees more time towards running the combo a "better" way rather than spending hours doing it "wrong". I find it is easy to get stuck in a rut, but its important to try something new. You never can never know the right way until you have found the wrong way . I always like this little phrase.. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and wishing for a different result".

The key issue is that in the Arcade and GT Mode Free Run events, it's not possible for us to verify everything that we would need to on a replay. The particularly applies to the qualifier, which is meant to gauge the speed of each participant. I'm not going to go into specifics here, just trust me that we did have significant deliberation on the subject, and the only choices were an event like this, or no WRS until PD provided updates that would allow us to properly verify the areas we needed to.

I believe everyone can always improve, that is my mantra at least! You will find there are times when you hit a brick wall or genuinely can't go any quicker. Not so in the qualifier but when we run the actual WRS events, you will be able to view the replays of other competitors, this is usually where you find you have taken a slightly slower line or could carry a couple more mph around certain corners and next time you do the track, you will be better at it.

The members in here are extremely helpful and will often give you lots of advice to help as well if you ask. I notice small_fryz has already posted some helpful tips earlier which are definitely worth a read.

My advice for now is give it your best shot, if you have hit your wall, great, save it and submit when you've nailed sector 3 as well (although from experience, you can sometimes go back to a challenge after a day or two and nail an extra tenth for no apparent reason!). This will place you in a division reflecting your current ability. Then enjoy participating in the variety of events that will be put on and make sure you watch how the top drivers manage their times each week by viewing their replays and learn from this experience. Hopefully then you will see yourself improve and begin to rise through the rankings.

Additionally, racing others online can also help as they can often give you pointers and tips, I certainly learned a lot this way. There is a group of us who regularly meet in the chatroom to discuss the weekly task and organise ad hoc races online. Feel free to join us, we're a friendly bunch really! PM me if you need anymore details on this.

If the information there (taken from this very thread) cannot help you, I am concerned that nothing can.

All the best
Maz

 

[tyl0r_r]

Good for you. It's too bad both your detailed assessment of my personality along with your "one-size fits all" approach to remedying it is neither correct or applicable.

My main gripe as I've stated is not being able to load any sort of reference data such as one of my ghosts, or even having mid lap splits which would provide some sort of feedback on a lap that is entirely hit and miss. If you enjoy racing that way then this will be right up your alley, but to me this is like wearing a blindfold and seeing what laps you end up with which are both legal and fast. The answer will be not many due to the lack of info mid-lap and the nature of the track, where going easy means the lap is worthless in the first place but feeling compelled to complete it because you don't know how it matches up your best so far, and going fast which results in a low number of laps ever making it past the halfway point.

That just doesn't seem the best choice for a qualifier. People from various divisions scattered all over the place because some got a few decent laps in, and some weren't able to put in a lap that was representative. Of course you can adjust the divisions once the WRC starts, but that's really no different to just chucking everyone together in the first place and letting the divisions become apparent from the standings as the weeks pass.

You know we`re in the same division and I haven`t had very much of this `10 in 100` keeping the car on the track business.

God forbid we sit there for 2:45 seconds or however long the sector is to find out if our lap is good enough. That`s an eternity, isn`t it? There's weeks of time available for people to run this qualifier and if they can't even turn in a clean lap that is representative of their speed then that is nobody's problem but theirs. I've already got times that I think will probably keep me in my current div or close to it and I've hardly been hardcore about playing the qualifier.

Everybody has the same 'disadvantages' that you cite. If you really need little clocks on the screen and ghosts running to turn in a good lap then... I don't have a good ending to that line. Just deal.

 

[Anghammarad]

Hello, first post here. Been reading GTP News for a few years but never really joined in the community. But i love challenges and i cannot stay away any more ;-)

Followed the steps to create a GTP_ account and been doing some sector 2 driving tonight. Great fun!

But can someone explain or link me somewhere so i can see what those divisions stand for? etc people writing they got div. 3 bronze. And will i only race those people in my div later on? Thanks!

There are five divisions and three classes in each division, gold, silver and bronze. As a reference I was Div 2 Gold, which means that you most likely would have been Div 1 Silver at least in GT5 Prolouge and probably the same in GT5.

Välkommen!

 

[dranddad]

Followed the steps to create a GTP_ account and been doing some sector 2 driving tonight. Great fun!

But can someone explain or link me somewhere so i can see what those divisions stand for? etc people writing they got div. 3 bronze. And will i only race those people in my div later on? Thanks!

http://wrs.gtplanet.net/divisions/#div_1

Here is one you may like to look at, I'll try and find the offical GTP one unless Admin beat me to it.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=115424

An explanation on who you will be racing with is best done by admin, not only in WRS but also events and online races throughout the year that are organised by the race admin


Phillip.

 

[seoulteamwork]

LMAO started a new GTP account...went from level 0 > 17 from the C4 seasonal event XD

 

[Ubiquitous]

Really not seeing the problem in the lack of a ghost or sectors, it's just a qualifier and quite a good one at that.

 

[dranddad]

Hi am new to this sit,i would like to take part in the AMG Mercedes event, but it does not say what the BHP should be so can someone help me please. Thanks

Welcome to GTP Mardiearse, ha looks good with GTP in front of it lol.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=153734

If you read this through it should tell you all you need to know, there is only three posts so make sure you read it all from top to bottom. 👍

Phillip.

 

[GTP_jlud007]

Hello all!

I just registered new PSN tag and registered here, so just posting my first post. I have been lurking around this site since GT3 and participated some in OLR series for GT3 and GT4. Look forward to working on the qualifier and some good fun with my fellow GT'ers.

 

[markyboy92]

Definatly up for this, does anybody know how the placings are calculated exactly?
Is it just on time alone or are other factors taking into consideration?, at the moment im using a sixasis so i cant see me being that competitive.

 

[Vaxen]

Definatly up for this, does anybody know how the placings are calculated exactly?
Is it just on time alone or are other factors taking into consideration?, at the moment im using a sixasis so i cant see me being that competitive.

Time alone is used to calculate the handicap (using a fairly complicated formula that may be revealed in the future). Handicap determines division placement.

 

[markyboy92]

Thanks for quick reply.

 

[dudeondacouch]

Time alone is used to calculate the handicap (using a fairly complicated formula that may be revealed in the future). Handicap determines division placement.

I hope you aren't dividing by zero.

 

[Glutinous]

Made a new account and have been trying for 4 hours now.. I love this so much, thanks for running these series guys!

 

[ragnar666]

Good for you. It's too bad both your detailed assessment of my personality along with your "one-size fits all" approach to remedying it is neither correct or applicable.

My main gripe as I've stated is not being able to load any sort of reference data such as one of my ghosts, or even having mid lap splits which would provide some sort of feedback on a lap that is entirely hit and miss. If you enjoy racing that way then this will be right up your alley, but to me this is like wearing a blindfold and seeing what laps you end up with which are both legal and fast. The answer will be not many due to the lack of info mid-lap and the nature of the track, where going easy means the lap is worthless in the first place but feeling compelled to complete it because you don't know how it matches up your best so far, and going fast which results in a low number of laps ever making it past the halfway point.

That just doesn't seem the best choice for a qualifier. People from various divisions scattered all over the place because some got a few decent laps in, and some weren't able to put in a lap that was representative. Of course you can adjust the divisions once the WRC starts, but that's really no different to just chucking everyone together in the first place and letting the divisions become apparent from the standings as the weeks pass.

I really dont see how you can think that. If you have done racing before at a competition level like it seems since you have done WRS before I fail to see how you can't use reference points on the track to judge your lap times.

Hell it's so ingrained into me now where the actual split times are for Nordschleife I'm drawn to checking what my times are at those split times around the track as I go along.

Just with this robotic motion i can quite easily tell if im on a good lap or not and routinely restart laps based on these times.

If your really struggling, Go and do a 4hr Endurance in the same car they are using for this event. After 4hrs of lapping Nordschleife you should have every split location ingrained into your brain.

From then on you will be able to robotically check your split times just from location on the track.

Maybe it's just me but Nordschleife being my all time favourite track I feel I know every part of the track intimately so I dont find it that big of a deal to be able to remember split locations.

 

[MrKipling43]

It's not ideal, because it's harder to pound in the laps because you have to restart everytime you finish.

BUT for crying out loud, I'm not going to complain! None of these guys get paid for doing this massive job, and I think we should all be glad that there's people who are willing to do this kind of thing for a community of like-minded gamers.



Thanks for doing this chaps and, for the people whining about it, if you don't like it, don't bother doing it. Or maybe go and set up your own GT website... see how that works out for you.

/rant

 

[jwb351]

Made a new account and have been trying for 4 hours now.. I love this so much, thanks for running these series guys!

BUT for crying out loud, I'm not going to complain! None of these guys get paid for doing this massive job, and I think we should all be glad that there's people who are willing to do this kind of thing for a community of like-minded gamers.



Thanks for doing this chaps and, for the people whining about it, if you don't like it, don't bother doing it. Or maybe go and set up your own GT website... see how that works out for you.

/rant

DITTO! 👍

 

[chromatic9]

chromatic9
How are the replays going to be verified, car weight, power etc? .

sjaak
Max the power and weight loss for free run races.
Still we can not verify all replays so also a matter of trust is asked.
Also a reason for using the GTP_tag.
Those who take the trouble to go through making a second account,running an qualifier will not cheat.
Exceptions of cheaters are from all times but they will kicked out real hard

The other thread got locked and wanted to reply.

So I assume each week that you'll have to allow maximum power, full tuning for suspension, differential etc? You obviously wouldn't know if someone had race suspension on and just altered the toe angle a little. Conversely someone who takes a corner perfectly might be accused of cheating if race suspension wasn't permitted. Or will you most weeks try to run stock and just rely on honesty?

Perhaps it might be silly but could gtplanet point out to PD/Sony that GT4/GT5P where great for these kind of comps across the interwebs and GT5 needs some structure and info or sections in the game where you can verify.

Using the SLS event is great by the way.

 

[EDK]

The other thread got locked and to reply.

So I assume each week that you can you'll have to allow maximum power, full tuning for suspension, differential etc You obviously wouldn't know if someone had race suspension on and just altered the toe angle a little. Conversely someone who takes a corner perfectly might be accused of cheating if race suspension wasn't permitted. Or will you most weeks try to run stock and just really on honesty?

Perhaps it might be silly but could gtplanet point out to PD/Sony that GT4/GT5P where great for these kind of comps across the interwebs and GT5 needs some structure and info or sections in the game where you can verify.

Using the SLS event is great by the way.

We will remain creative.

You are right, but our voice is really no larger than one individual member.

We already have some ideas for how to manage the first few races.

And thanks for the compliment, several long time OLR participants weighed into the solution. 👍

 

[chromatic9]

We will remain creative.

You are right, but our voice is really no larger than one individual member.

We already have some ideas for how to manage the first few races.

And thanks for the compliment, several long time OLR participants weighed into the solution. 👍

Thanks.

PS I edited my post to make it more readable.

 

[billyjoebobx]

Howdy y'all! I want to shower the mods with praise for working this out. I'm so glad that we're at Der Ring, this will be fun. It's just too bad we can't run this one in the rain! I look forward to some fun weeks ahead. 👍

 

[ragnar666]

We will remain creative.

You are right, but our voice is really no larger than one individual member.

We already have some ideas for how to manage the first few races.

And thanks for the compliment, several long time OLR participants weighed into the solution. 👍

Good to hear i hope there as good as this qualifier, I really love the idea of doing it thru one of these special events as it gives everyone an even playing field and theres pretty much no real way to cheat by tuning etc if its not allowed.

 

[DrTrouserPlank]

The only way I can see us being able to run cars stock without having to worry about people altering settings that they aren't supposed to, is if we get standardised time-trials like we did in prologue.

The only other possibility is if the replay data listed all parts that the car had been fitted with in it's description. But I can't really see that happening anymore than I can see the dedicated time trials showing up eventually.

 

[millross]

This has probably been said before, but I ran Bonus Races 2 and 3 with my new GTP_Etc account and I got to level 23 with all golds, in about an hour and a bit.

Way more than enough to unlock the Intermediate AMG stuff and more than enough to earn some serious CR to buy cars (if necessary) for future events, or for whatever you want

 

[GTP_Wwrruumm]

yes even when you are level 2 or so. When you did the bonus race 3 rome with the citroen c4 wrc '08 then you raise to level 17 after one race.

 

[dranddad]

The only way I can see us being able to run cars stock without having to worry about people altering settings that they aren't supposed to, is if we get standardised time-trials like we did in prologue.

The only other possibility is if the replay data listed all parts that the car had been fitted with in it's description. But I can't really see that happening anymore than I can see the dedicated time trials showing up eventually.

This has been addressed already by admin, it’s all about fair play if one has gone to the trouble of setting up an account, ran the qualifier for 2 or 3 weeks and wants to join in a great community like WRS.

One is expected to set the car up according to the rules for the particular combo for that week, plus guys who qualify in division 4 and are then setting lap times in division 1 on a combo, I think even someone as dumb as me will know that something is up.

Over the years OLR team have done a great job and I’m sure they will continue to do so.

Phillip.

 

[Aldo]

What do you mean? Why are you disqualifying me?!

I didn't realise anti-roll bars were 2 dimensional...

"Argh! Help! We've been mown down..."

The best way to take the last corner in Sector 3

 

[ragnar666]

LOL epic photos.

 

[Dyogenez]

I'm sorry guys but I have only one question: do you have to compete each new WRS? I'm a dad of 2 kids. That means that I cannot always compete with you. But I like the idea of comparing times. I've searched this area of forum but couldn't find it.