GTP_Registry Discussion Thread (GT5)

[markyboy92]

Better remove those times quick smart boy.

lol its ended

 

[mcsimfan]

Those replays won't be available, as it would give an advantage to those who run the qualifier when the registry window re-opens.

I don't understand how watching a replay (or knowing a time) is an advantage for those that come later. I can watch all the videos or replays that I want and it isn't going to improve my actual driving. It might give me some ideas on how to approach certain parts of a track, but I still have to physically perform the drive. I can learn the same thing by watching fast drivers in a race. So I just don't see what the big deal is with the secrecy on replays or times.

 

[EDK]

Wow i'm very sad i missed this...

No more registrations?

The registry will open again within 1 month or so.

I'll have to ask Webber if he's going to use the DS3 in the WRS, because if he doesn't then he's pretty much got D1 Bronze covered.

During the weekly races, he'll be competing against ALL of D1 anyhow. The classes are used as a smaller step up for promotions, and also have given us something to use to pair up racers for online race events. For the weekly races, you run against your entire division.

So if I understand it right, is it going to be like gold, where say you submit 1'10.000 and you've got a 1.500 handicap it means your time would be adjusted to 1'08.500?

Sorry if its the "obvious" question or if I've missed something somewhere

We won't be adjusting any times. The handicap is used as a reflection of your relative performance. So, for example, if you are in division 3 Gold, and your qualifier handicap is 3.110, but you are averaging 2.850 during the weekly races, you would be under review for a promotion to D2 Bronze.

From what I understand No,

(Vaxen feel free to correct me) If you have a handicap of 1.7 (D1Bronze) and yet you finish amongst guys with 1.2 (D1 Gold) your handicap for next week may be reduced to 1.55. Keep up the strong results finishing amongst guys with 1.2 and finally your handicap will drop to 1.2/3. Once your handicap is consistently at that level you will be promoted into the appropriate division that corresponds, which in this example is D1 Gold.

Again, your handicap will not be adjusted from week to week. Your handicap for an individual event will be posted each time you participate. That is a reflection of your relative performance, and the only meaningful things you can compare it to are your qualifier handicap, and the qualifier handicaps of racers in other divisions.

I don't understand how watching a replay (or knowing a time) is an advantage for those that come later. I can watch all the videos or replays that I want and it isn't going to improve my actual driving. It might give me some ideas on how to approach certain parts of a track, but I still have to physically perform the drive. I can learn the same thing by watching fast drivers in a race. So I just don't see what the big deal is with the secrecy on replays or times.

For the purpose of the qualifier, keeping the times secret and not allowing people to have an advantage through being able to view faster replays gives us a better reflection of everyone's true pace.

During the weekly races, we share split times, which help people to understand their pace, and we also allow people to have private conversations about total times. If someone knows the time that is achievable, it's feasible that they would put in considerably more time than they are able to for each weekly race, and over-qualify. Keeping the times and replays secret prevents that.

 

[Denur]

Will there be a sort option in the Leader Boards with the results calculated based on the handicaps?

 

[Anghammarad]

Will there be a sort option in the Leader Boards with the results calculated based on the handicaps?

Or even performance relative to your current handicap.

 

[mcsimfan]

If someone knows the time that is achievable, it's feasible that they would put in considerably more time than they are able to for each weekly race, and over-qualify. Keeping the times and replays secret prevents that.

I disagree with that statement simply because if someone puts in the time to achieve a fast time they should not get labeled as over-qualifying. If they put in that time, they are learning the track and learning to be a better racer.

I can buy the argument that they may only be good on that one track or section, but from my experience putting in the time to get better on one track also helps you get better on others. I realize that it isn't possible to re qualify everyone for each race and that there has to be some system, but I just don't believe that keeping the replays and times a secret is the best way to accomplish the goal.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree about these points.

 

[Duke of Pendle]

There's a lot of information available from watching replays.
Lines, gear selection, shift-up points, braking points, to name but a few.

You would be surprised what works and what gains time.

The fast guys have the ability to find these optimums quickly, and to make that information available would give those yet to run the qualifier an unfair advantage

 

[Vaxen]

The handicap system is a new tool for us, and we're not sure exactly how it will work out, so bear with us as we figure it out.

I suppose I should ask the organisers a question now. In previous versions of WRS you could only be demoted if you asked to be and provided reasonable evidence you didn't belong in that division. With the handicap system now doesn't that mean if you're not performing you'll instantly be demoted once your handicap reaches the next level below? If that is the case, will it be like a golf handicap, where it's easier to improve it than it is to drop it?

As with earlier versions of the WRS, you won't be dropped a division unless you request it.

Forgive me because I havnt been apart of WRS for a while, but normally the top 3 or so is required from each Division and others are randomly requested.

But I would say you could ask any racer for their replay and they will provide it 👍

We'll also be requesting replays from anyone who beats their handicap by a healthy margin. Also, we'll be requiring that all participants submit at least one replay sometime in their first few events.

Again, your handicap will not be adjusted from week to week. Your handicap for an individual event will be posted each time you participate. That is a reflection of your relative performance, and the only meaningful things you can compare it to are your qualifier handicap, and the qualifier handicaps of racers in other divisions.

Your handicap will adjust over time, but whether it moves when you are promoted, at each promotion interval (roughly every 3 months), or every week is yet to be determined.

Will there be a sort option in the Leader Boards with the results calculated based on the handicaps?

Or even performance relative to your current handicap.

For Prologue, we had one list for division results, and another for overall results. For GT5, we'll be adding a third which takes handicap into account somehow. I'm still working out the details. Whether this appears in the Leader Boards is yet to be determined.

 

[Denur]

For Prologue, we had one list for division results, and another for overall results. For GT5, we'll be adding a third which takes handicap into account somehow. I'm still working out the details. Whether this appears in the Leader Boards is yet to be determined.

👍

 

[MrJim]

Division 5 Gold..... Well I have to start somewhere I suppose.....

I have been a big fan of the game since GT1 though more of a casual driver then anything else, this is my first attempt at any sort of competitive racing so I am happy enough with that.

Same here, cept I'm in Div 5 Silver. I just figured I'd give it a try. The statement "competition between drivers of all abilities and backgrounds" in Jordan's news post is what caught my attention.

 

[MrJim]

Also, we'll be requiring that all participants submit at least one replay sometime in their first few events.

Will we be PM'd with instructions on how to do so when the time comes?

 

[Duke of Pendle]

Assuming we still follow the Prologue WRS pattern, then top 3 finishers in each division would routinely post their replay.
I guess the random replays required would receive a pm.

Edit:
I read the question more closely now

......there were always instructions in the opening WRS post each week. Detailed instructions. 👍

 

[Fastas]

I just had another look on the list and somehow I think I've over-achieved despite only putting in a WRS' worth of effort in. Guys like PASM, EL_ZISSOU and Fastas I've never been as fast as (no pun intended), and I've raced PASM online since GT5 came out and although it's still pretty close, I'd say he was just that little bit faster. I suppose it doesn't matter, I'd be D1 anyway against the same guys regardless, just thought I'd throw that out there- I'm probably not as good as my rank here suggests.

//sarcasm

Fixed that for you Paulie, I actually thought I was quicker than you for a moment.

The handicap system is a new tool for us, and we're not sure exactly how it will work out, so bear with us as we figure it out.

You sell it Dan it was sounding really good until I read that. Seriously though, I'm sure it will work out, however.

 

[LinPark]

Wow, lots to take in here since I last posted - congrats to everyone on their placements and now the real fun begins.

Only questions I have is this: given that all of this is very well planted in statistical analysis, I'm worried that some of the very, very fast guys didn't bother to submit for this qualifier. I haven't gone back and looked at pure numbers but I see people like Timo, Maz, Carl, Timeattack, etc that didn't participate. Forgive me because my background isn't in statistics, but wouldn't their lack of particpation skew the "theoretical" fastest time as well as the overall standard deviation to the point where a good number of us ended up in divisions above where we should be?

In all honesty, I sincerely felt the times I submitted would have put me somewhere in Div 2 - I felt I left at least a total of a half second out there for the overall event and had I found that I would have cemented a Div 1 position. As new people enter the registry, will that effect the overall handicaps at all? Seems like this would be a massive "work in progress" effort as new people get added.

Looking forward to first even when my handicap will surely get larger.

 

[Anghammarad]

Hey Phil (DoP)

Please change your avatar. It is extremely difficult to read any of your posts what with my eyes always being drawn left.

 

[spyrrari]

Hey Phil (DoP)

Please change your avatar. It is extremely difficult to read any of your posts what with my eyes always being drawn left.

Yeah,you also like Ducati much??...




spy.

 

[dudeondacouch]

given that all of this is very well planted in statistical analysis, I'm worried that some of the very, very fast guys didn't bother to submit for this qualifier. I haven't gone back and looked at pure numbers but I see people like Timo, Maz, Carl, Timeattack, etc that didn't participate. Forgive me because my background isn't in statistics, but wouldn't their lack of particpation skew the "theoretical" fastest time as well as the overall standard deviation to the point where a good number of us ended up in divisions above where we should be?

I would think this won't really be an issue, as there will also be people joining the registry who are slower. The division ratios *should* remain similar to where they are now.

 

[sems4arsenal]

When and where do I submit my replays as I have no idea for how long the Government will let us keep connected to the internet.

 

[Duke of Pendle]

Yeah,you also like Ducati much??...




spy.

Am I SO transparent?

 

[spyrrari]

Am I SO transparent?

Yes,you obviously like very small red motorcycles with straps on the side... 👍





spy.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Pity the fairing covers the engine ...

 

[Duke of Pendle]

Pity the fairing covers the engine ...

True, but imagination is a wonderful thing 👍

 

[Vaxen]

Only questions I have is this: given that all of this is very well planted in statistical analysis, I'm worried that some of the very, very fast guys didn't bother to submit for this qualifier. I haven't gone back and looked at pure numbers but I see people like Timo, Maz, Carl, Timeattack, etc that didn't participate. Forgive me because my background isn't in statistics, but wouldn't their lack of particpation skew the "theoretical" fastest time as well as the overall standard deviation to the point where a good number of us ended up in divisions above where we should be?

In all honesty, I sincerely felt the times I submitted would have put me somewhere in Div 2 - I felt I left at least a total of a half second out there for the overall event and had I found that I would have cemented a Div 1 position. As new people enter the registry, will that effect the overall handicaps at all? Seems like this would be a massive "work in progress" effort as new people get added.

For every Timo, there are 20 that aren't as fast as Timo. I monitored the submissions as they came in, and once we had around 100 submissions, the boundaries didn't move that much (and this was before Hugo, Nicko, and eclipsee, among others, submitted).

As new people are added to the registry, the overall handicap will be adjusted as well, but those that are published will remain where they are.

 

[DrTrouserPlank]

i may be wrong, but i assume it would 'generally' be difficult or unlikely that the top times can be run consistently, lap after lap - that seems to be the case from my experiences in online races with players that are good at qualifying.

Does anyone know of a driver who can put in mind blowing times, lap after lap?

I personally found that I was able to lap my sector 3 time pretty consistently. In fact being able to do that convinced me that it couldn't be that fast if I was able to consistently achieve it.

I found it harder to be consistent in sector 2 partly because of the nature of some of the corners where it's all-or-nothing, but also because I set a good time, went off to do sector 3 and when I came back a few days later I had gone "cold" on sector 2 and couldn't improve.

I think the more you understand why you are going faster, the more your're able you are to repeat those times consistently. I also found the physics of GT5 much more agreeable than prologue where I couldn't get a decent sense for tire grip and weight transfer at all.

 

[mafia_boy]

Hey Phil (DoP)

Please change your avatar. It is extremely difficult to read any of your posts what with my eyes always being drawn left.

Yeah,you also like Ducati much??...

spy.

Am I SO transparent?

Yes,you obviously like very small red motorcycles with straps on the side... 👍



spy.

Pity the fairing covers the engine ...

True, but imagination is a wonderful thing 👍

No wonder Valentino Rossi wanted to ride one.

 

[monoha]

I just came home from a short trip to Germany... and what to come home too.... I can't believe it...

I was in Division 3 Bronze in Prologue, racing with a DS3. Got myself a G27 1½ month before GT5 came out and obviously been making improvements and starting to really feel natural with the wheel and pedals. I spend about 5 hours total on this qualifier... and never ever expected to leave D3... and as a surprising news....

Division 2...and even Gold? wow 👍! I'm going to be so scared to compete against you D2 drivers.. and somehow hope this is a mistake!

 

[Denur]

I just came home from a short trip to Germany... and what to come home too.... I can't believe it...

I was in Division 3 Bronze in Prologue, racing with a DS3. Got myself a G27 1½ month before GT5 came out and obviously been making improvements and starting to really feel natural with the wheel and pedals. I spend about 5 hours total on this qualifier... and never ever expected to leave D3... and as a surprising news....

Division 2...and even Gold? wow 👍! I'm going to be so scared to compete against you D2 drivers.. and somehow hope this is a mistake!

Me too, looks you're a natural with the wheel.

 

[Shigegaki]

We're hoping that the handicapping system takes some of the guesswork out of it. We may do some early shuffling after the first couple races if someone is obviously misplaced. Otherwise, look for a batch of promotions to come approximately every three months.

I am glad to hear about the early shuffling Vaxen, now to give WRS 100 percent attention since I don't think I can make top 16 on West for Round 2 of GTA. Thanks 👍

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Do the higher division drivers use mostly bumper cam to get those quick times?

Obviously practice (seat time) is important too?

Just wondering eh

 

[Duke of Pendle]

They mostly all use bumpercam, and witch-craft