- 4,455
- Teesdale
- GTP_Vagabond
GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 1 : Old School Tsukuba - See Important Update to First Post
- Thread starter EDK
- 1,215 comments
- 127,872 views
- 2,376
- Stockholm, Swe
- GTP_Anghammarad
So I added a sports exhaust manifold, racing airfilter, sport exhaust manifold, and a sport catalytic converter. I then lowered the engine output to 294. It took me all of three laps to go below my earlier best time by quite some margin. Speed across start/finish is three or four kph higher as is speed at end of back straight. If you have the car it's easy to see that all is not correct from the performance points which go up from 433 to 442 but unfortunately PP are not shown at all in the replays, only engine power. The conclusion is that it will be impossible to check for any foul play.
- 4,455
- Teesdale
- GTP_Vagabond
That is not good news. So basically now we all either cheat or have faith that we're all better than that....
- 4,455
- Teesdale
- GTP_Vagabond
Since there is no way to verify what upgrades are being used, it looks like we have no choice. What's the general consensus at this point? We've all spent the last 5 days going as quick as we can with standard cars - if we now go for upgrades and lower HP, it makes a nonsense of the last week's running.
- 1,106
- NC/NoVA
- dudeondacouch
GT500 cars are showing up on the TT leaderboards. 
What Anghammarad found with the intake/exhaust mods is even worse with the SC installed.
Checked it to see: Using the PP restriction to drop power to 295, the Torque still stays at ~400.
What Anghammarad found with the intake/exhaust mods is even worse with the SC installed.
Checked it to see: Using the PP restriction to drop power to 295, the Torque still stays at ~400.
- 16,271
- Boise, ID
- GTP_EDK
We (The race admins) will need to discuss possible solutions to this issue. Please pay attention to the thread for updates.
- 64
- GTP_Torquemada
I really hope people don't cheat. I'd rather play it straight and not do so well than cheat to improve my times. The almost identical nature of the cars being run (differences in drivetrain and suspension tweaking) is the whole point isn't it? Surely stepping outside that, even if you can get away with it, defeats the whole purpose of participating
- 1,106
- NC/NoVA
- dudeondacouch
Good thing I put in a lap I'm happy with before the update and saved the replay.
Unless something changes, I'll probably just be submitting that time.
Unless something changes, I'll probably just be submitting that time.
- 166
- GTP_Corne
I really hope people don't cheat. I'd rather play it straight and not do so well than cheat to improve my times. The almost identical nature of the cars being run (differences in drivetrain and suspension tweaking) is the whole point isn't it? Surely stepping outside that, even if you can get away with it, defeats the whole purpose of participating
Well that was the whole attraction of the WRS for me, totally level playing field and peer assessed replays; I just hope the admins can come up with a solution.
- 4,455
- Teesdale
- GTP_Vagabond
Personally, I'd rather take it on good faith that people are not going to exploit the tuning and HP reduction, for this event anyway, and we maybe open it up for the next event...?
Has anyone tried a normal (un-tuned) run today and found any difference? I just had myself another run with exactly the same setup I've been using all week and absolutely hammered my best time. If I'm having a good day, well, awesome.. or has something else changed with the update?
New splits:
T1: 15.280
T2: 34.637
Like I said, hand on heart, I have done no tuning... I didn't even change any gear ratios.. I have in fact been using the 5-speed close ratio box for the last 4 days... but even I am suspicious of how much faster I just went than yesterday, when I was struggling to stay in the 34.7xx range.
- 833
- Burnley UK
- GTP_PendleDuke
The admin team have got some tough choices to make, and whatever they decide won't suit everyone.
They're gonna need some tolerance and understanding from all of us.
Edit:
I just subbed my pre-update lap.
They're gonna need some tolerance and understanding from all of us.
Edit:
I just subbed my pre-update lap.
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- 716
- Paris - France
- GTrs_Wayne
It was pretty sure this update will be a mess for this 1st week WRS. 👎
Too many things now become impossible to check, the only possible way to go, would be to end this week before the update appeared and only accept the time & replays dated before the update....
not fun for everyone though
Too many things now become impossible to check, the only possible way to go, would be to end this week before the update appeared and only accept the time & replays dated before the update....
not fun for everyone though
- 4,455
- Teesdale
- GTP_Vagabond
I'll happily go with whatever they decide... tolerance and understanding should be a given.
What are your new splits then Duke? And was it with your pre-update setup?
- 833
- Burnley UK
- GTP_PendleDuke
- 4,455
- Teesdale
- GTP_Vagabond
Ah right.. sorry, I misunderstood - I thought when you said subbed that you'd gone quicker today.
I'm interested to know if anyone has gone much quicker since the update without changing their setup or tuning at all....
- 436
- AU
- rayuki_84, GTP_Ragnar666
How bout in lew of the update just scrap this event and redo it? I know its a pain but its probally the best solution.
Can even perhaps keep the same car/event combo just edit/recreate a new set of rules based off the new update and reset the leaderboard and start the week over?
just a suggestion.
- 1,347
- The Netherlands
- GTP_Undutchable
Did PD turn on the SRF for the seasonal time trials? Can anybody give a decisive answer on this?
Also can someone please give feedback on how the sound of the car changes with additional performance parts? Not the ideal direction to go in, but it might be a possibility to detect other parts.
Vragnar666
That's an option. However we would like to be aware of all the effects of the latest update before we make a final decision.
- 570
- Melbourne
- DominusAnderson
My opinion would be to go with the pre-stamped replays, as it is the only way to verify that everyone was on the same playing field.
I joined WRS for fun, getting to know new friends & to improve in my abiltiy as a driver. A year ago, I started out in D4 Silver. Now I sit in D2 Silver, not because I cheated but because I followed the rules. .
I just want to say to EDK, Vaxen & all the other race admins. You are here to set the rules, & if you guys need to make tough desions to ensure that WRS continues to grow, then so be it. I
to you all
I joined WRS for fun, getting to know new friends & to improve in my abiltiy as a driver. A year ago, I started out in D4 Silver. Now I sit in D2 Silver, not because I cheated but because I followed the rules. .
I just want to say to EDK, Vaxen & all the other race admins. You are here to set the rules, & if you guys need to make tough desions to ensure that WRS continues to grow, then so be it. I
to you all
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- 1,106
- NC/NoVA
- dudeondacouch
SRF still not available for use on seasonal time trials.
- 4,455
- Teesdale
- GTP_Vagabond
SRF is showing as mandatory "Off" now but not sure what it was before. I only ever use ABS in the driver aids so that would not be an issue for me anyway.
Sounds only seem to change with exhaust and transmission - I can't hear any difference with air filter, or manifold changes.
It's a tricky one. That would probably upset folks who thought they had not yet done their best time or those who have not had a chance to do much running. Another option is just to accept that this is now "the rules of the game" and everyone has to try again under the new conditions, possibly extending the event to allow for the extra running time. Of course this would upset those who feel they have already given their best.
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- 4,455
- Teesdale
- GTP_Vagabond
Just out of curiosity, did you also try your untuned Z28 today to see if there were any differences from prior to the update?
- 3,603
- Halesowen, West Midlands
- dranddad
Don’t know if this is relevant or not, my setup is still the same.
Comfort soft / Max power 295bhp / weight 1173Kg.
LSD Default
Trans Max speed 137mph
Suspension as below.
Showing 433pp.
T1: 0'15.333
T2: 0'34.795
Phillip.
I personally don’t see any improvement so long as you don’t change things that you couldn’t change before.
Comfort soft / Max power 295bhp / weight 1173Kg.
LSD Default
Trans Max speed 137mph
Suspension as below.
Showing 433pp.
T1: 0'15.333
T2: 0'34.795
Phillip.
I personally don’t see any improvement so long as you don’t change things that you couldn’t change before.
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- 4,455
- Teesdale
- GTP_Vagabond
Might be relevant... you were slightly quicker on your splits than before. The biggest indicator would be how much quicker was your overall lap time than your previous best. I absolutely hammered my previous best third sector and my overall lap was way quicker with no setup changes from prior to the update.
As I said above, I found about a tenth in T1+T2 but alot more in Sector 3. Of course I'm hoping I'm just that good today
... but needed to see how everyone else is finding it.
- 570
- Melbourne
- DominusAnderson
Looks like the R/admin boys are in a no win situation then, unless..💡 they divide the participants into 2 groups.
Those that ran just the stock version,
Those that run the new modified version.
Its a lot of 🤬 around, I know, but its a thought. Whatever the verdict, I will abide by it by the terms & conditions of the AWP 👍
