GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 1 : Old School Tsukuba - See Important Update to First Post

[Shigegaki]

Bummer, I was hoping that this weeks times would count so I could get promoted hopefully into the correct division . Oh well, should have new splits tonight. Best to luck to everyone this week.

 

[ClassicMini]

U4IK ST8,
I cannot really disagree with you, although if they wanted stock cars they could mention it in the rules, but I disagree with you about brake balance controller and ABS. since PD put a brake balance controller in every car we should be free to make use of it. If you remember it was an extra accessory since original Gran Turismo costing about 10.000 cr. And about ABS, please try to pull a decent lap time in a dualshock 3... it's very hard. i would like to race without aids but its freaking difficult to brake so good. Even in real life the ABS interupts my braking a lot of times. Also don't think that with ABS someone is faster...

 

[Rudi Raser]

I know people use max front/min rear on the seasonal time trials,

Yes thats a bug, or not, or whatever. Minimum front, max rear helped me to turn in a bit, i was using also a lot of time the handbrake.
And forget about realistic in the GT series, there was never any realistic settings since i´m started Gran Turismo, 10-11 years ago.

If the Admins decide that my setup is a bug set, so i will not run anymore garage cars here, only stock arcade. Because my sets are always a bit different.

 

[GTmaniac]

Yes thats a bug, or not, or whatever. Minimum front, max rear helped me to turn in a bit, i was using also a lot of time the handbrake.
And forget about realistic in the GT series, there was never any realistic settings since i´m started Gran Turismo, 10-11 years ago.

If the Admins decide that my setup is a bug set, so i will not run anymore garage cars here, only stock arcade. Because my sets are always a bit different.

Agreed,untill arcade time trails are posiblle in this game I'm out of the game!!And you can't define where's the limit for ride height bug or can somebody here determine what exact ride height did somebody used from watching the replay?!!!

Either way I joined wrs for arcade tts not for this.I hope they will make this ASAP!

See you!

 

[U4IK ST8]

U4IK ST8,
I cannot really disagree with you, although if they wanted stock cars they could mention it in the rules, but I disagree with you about brake balance controller and ABS. since PD put a brake balance controller in every car we should be free to make use of it. If you remember it was an extra accessory since original Gran Turismo costing about 10.000 cr. And about ABS, please try to pull a decent lap time in a dualshock 3... it's very hard. i would like to race without aids but its freaking difficult to brake so good. Even in real life the ABS interupts my braking a lot of times. Also don't think that with ABS someone is faster...

Yes it is difficult with ABS off, I was setting times when I first attempted this but I soon set it to 1 because I had no chance of getting close to my division times because everyone was using ABS.

Yes thats a bug, or not, or whatever. Minimum front, max rear helped me to turn in a bit, i was using also a lot of time the handbrake.
And forget about realistic in the GT series, there was never any realistic settings since i´m started Gran Turismo, 10-11 years ago.

If the Admins decide that my setup is a bug set, so i will not run anymore garage cars here, only stock arcade. Because my sets are always a bit different.

Ok so there's never been realistic setups in GT, so why make a point about some settings giving an unfair advantage? All setups should be allowed because no realistic setup can be achieved, or no one wants to use realistic setups because whatever, they can't turn in or they can't control the car on exit.

And I'm sure everyones setup is a bit different, but I doubt most people use max/min on anything! Maxing any settings is for noobs, IMO (just move the slider all the way and hope for the best), why even try a wierd setup like that just to get a fast time? Use it by all means, I don't care really, but when an admin says setups which give an unfair advantages are not allowed and I notice something strange, then I'll say something.

 

[Rudi Raser]

... then I'll say something.

No problem for me.

I said everything. Many people knows me now a couple of years, and also many knows how i setup my cars. I must feel well with them, i look for fast setups if not i will not race, so simple.

If the Admins says in the rule before the event starts, don´t use front high, rear minimum, or don´t use toe -50 / +50, no problem here.
But its like Zoky said, where its starts and where it will be end?


Sorry Kev and Vaxen, not easy start this year for you all.




I forgot, and yes, i like to be a n00b.

 

[U4IK ST8]

Ok so describe your understanding of this:

"Any tuning gimmicks that offer an unfair advantage (i.e. the ride height bug) are not allowed."

And do you think you gained an advantage over your own time by maxing the ride height settings?

 

[Rudi Raser]

I will not start a discussion with you about that. Don´t forget, i´m a n00b.

 

[Vagabond]

And do you think you gained an advantage over your own time by maxing the ride height settings?

Of course he did.. that's not the question. The question is "Is it counter intuitive and make use of a physics loophole to achieve an advantage?" The answer is "No" - Jacking the back of a car up and lowering the front is common practice when trying to counter understeer. The weight balance is shifted forward reducing traction at the rear - the car then pivots more easily around the front - ie turning in is easier. Its also easier to lose the rear when accelerating or to lock up the rear under braking in these conditions, probably the reason for the very high ABS setting.

And... I've just thrown a 34.604 T2 out the window missing my braking point into the last bend...

 

[dudeondacouch]

So I just looked through Rudi's set and noticed he's using max ride height on the rear and minimun on the front(maybe he's not the only one but it's the first time I've noticed this in a setup posted here), is this not classed as a "ride height bug" as stated in first post?What do you think?

I don't personally see that as unfair, because I've seen a whole lot of muscle cars (Camaros included) in real life sporting jacked up rears and low fronts.

 

[EDK]

The ride height "bug" is min rear/max front. It makes the car go faster in a straight line.

What Rudi has done is something that's probably been used on every iteration of GT, certainly going back to GT3. It makes the car handle better, but it's not a bug that inexplicably makes the car go faster in a straight line.

No issue.

 

[chukabilly]

Well, I work on "real" race cars with a father and son team who drive every week-end at a local track. The two set-ups are as different as night and day, to the point where one driver can barely drive the other ones set-up. After 25 years of being around cars and their drivers, I've learned that most aspects of a tune are due to driver preference. You DO need to maximize the physics of the machine you are driving, but there is a lot of room for adjustment, more than what most people experience without getting on a track. Even then, skill seems to play as important a part in race results as anything else, providing that the equipment is somewhat comparable. I don't think any tune in the world will make me a division 1 driver, but the proper tune will help me maximize what limited skill I have. But my tune will probably not be your tune, and vice-versa.
Also, the physics engine of this game seems to change so dramatically between the ABS being set to 1 versus off that nearly every replay I've watched has it on. I think they could set it to an "on" or "off" setting, and it wouldn't make much of a difference. I do agree that it's somewhat of a bug, as we all know there was no ABS on a 60's Camaro, but I can't drive without it, no matter what the car is.

 

[Vagabond]

Well, after 906.7 miles round Tsukuba in the Z28, I think I'm calling it a day... I've thrown away a second faster T2 (34.599) today by stuffing it on the last bend and I'm getting a bit agitated.

Time submitted and (probably) that will be me done with this one I think. Shame about the update buggering things up for now but good luck to everyone and see you for tomorrow's event

Many thanks for this event Kev, it's been a blast, quite literally. 👍

 

[Worst_Driver]

I. Don't cheat.
II. Don't try to cheat.
III. Be willing to show you did not cheat.

These are the Rules.
I. Buy this car.
II. Do this only to that car.
III. Drive that car on this track.

Why.
I. WRS is a privilege, not a Right.
II. We [the WRS community] want this to be accurate.
III. If you can't agree, go away.

RACE ON!!!

WRS rules and guidelines...for dummies.

 

[Duke of Pendle]

Forget about "realistic".
In real life this car has a beam axle and cart springs.
Therefore anyone with rear camber and toe settings other than zero is obviously cheating.

 

[Rudi Raser]

Thanks Kev.

 

[Captain Roh]

We've set up the database to track how people are performing over time. The first way we'll "deal with" those who overperform relative to their qualifier time is to require replays from all of them. Not just the top 3 in each division, but anyone who overperforms relative to their qualifier pace, or ongoing pace at a later point.

Beyond that, there ARE a lot of variables. The amount of time they had to commit to qualifier, the technical nature of the track, have they changed equipment since the qualifier (wheel vs. controller, etc.). All of that makes it so the best way to deal with "sandbaggers" is to move them into the division they are performing in.

That won't happen off of this week's results, but it will happen, eventually.

All that taken into account I would of thought this first week was a golden opportunity to place people in their correct divisions. What with it being left off record so to speak.

I just read the qualifier again too and while you said its expected that people spend the same time as they would a normal WRS week, it also says sandbagging is only highly frowned upon. Dont know why I was expecting people to receive infractions

I understand what you're saying about difference in technicality too, after all the qualifier as opposed to week one are night and day. However, fast guys are fast, even at nurburg. And slower guys, dont jump half way up the leaderboard in week one.

I wasnt accusing anybody, I was just looking for clarification of what would happen to people who 'sandbagged', and you gave it 👍

 

[Mr_ANDERSON]

These maybe my final splits before submission. I believe I may have reached my limit, but will give it 1 more session

Anyway, new splits are:

T1: 15.322
T2: 34.835

 

[Vagabond]

However, fast guys are fast, even at nurburg. And slower guys, dont jump half way up the leaderboard in week one.

Apparently that isn't true is it? It may be your opinion but it doesn't make it true. Speaking for myself again, I had 2 days to run the qualifier since I hadn't visited GTPlanet for some time prior to that... if I'd had to submit my time for this event after 2 days, I would've been nearly a second slower. I'm not particularly good at the 'ring as I already said in the post you apparently ignored, and I find it harder to judge improvements without a ghost for comparison (which the qualifying event does not have).

Now in this event, some people apparently don't like the car, don't like the tyres, can't do setup changes etc... Its a world of variables that your
sweeping generalisation does not account for.

I wasnt accusing anybody, I was just looking for clarification of what would happen to people who 'sandbagged', and you gave it 👍

No, you're not accusing anybody.. except those you consider were sandbagging in the qualifier, who you are accusing of sandbagging. Its insulting and quite irritating.

These maybe my final splits before submission. I believe I may have reached my limit, but will give it 1 more session

Anyway, new splits are:

Nice splits mate... 👍 Man, it gets hard to shave those last hundredths off eh?

 

[pyxen]

New splits..and I think this is it for me.

T1: 15.504
T2: 35.416

 

[Apollo33]

Some people get so emotional! But I don't want to name any names (^^)...

Capt. Roh: If you just drive faster, you won't have to deal with the sandbaggers.

Vagabond: How could you possibly drive 900 miles?! I felt like I drove a lot and it was only 54 miles!

 

[pyxen]

I guess some people have a lot of time...

 

[Vagabond]

Vagabond: How could you possibly drive 900 miles?! I felt like I drove a lot and it was only 54 miles!

To be honest, I have no idea how it added up to that much... but I have found this car kind of addictive. I almost hope I hate the next challenge; going to bed at 4 am after 2 hours a night at Tsukuba has taken its toll. Makes one kind of emotional

 

[dudeondacouch]

Bit by bit.


T1: 15.585
T2: 35.253

 

[GTP_RaceRyder]

A little bit more. How do I get the USA flag to display on the leaderboard?

T1: 15.703
T2: 35.461

 

[dudeondacouch]

A little bit more. How do I get the USA flag to display on the leaderboard?

I thought it was pulled from your IP. Maybe not?

 

[corne]

How do I get the USA flag to display on the leaderboard?

It's taken from your submission for the qualifier, try posting here tough and see if they can update it.

 

[Sureboss]

Makes one kind of emotional

You're manstruating?

 

[NINE_HUNDRED]

My submitted times keep getting rejected. I followed the format in the first post, but it keeps saying I have an "invalid body"

Can somebody just post an example, so I can just copy and edit my time into it?

Thanks.

 

[dudeondacouch]

Your message body should look just like the following:



Time: 1'11.111