GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 112 : Revving is Racing

[GTP_CargoRatt]

This TT is fun just to drive around without worrying about times! The WRS is going to be fun too!

Al

Lol, I've had moments like this. Not the fastest way around, but fun none the less.

 

[GTPskills]

Just some updated splits...

S1: 26.382
S2: 21.993

Nice pics Al;-)

 

[SirAlanClive]

Lol, I've had moments like this. Not the fastest way around, but fun none the less.

I thought it was the only way round T1 & 2!

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I thought it was the only way round T1 & 2!

If you are a drifter I guess. We all know drifters have no real sense of direction. I like to keep all planted and firmly march around with a purpose and sense of direction. Really helps me get to where I'm going in the fastest possible time.

 

[millross]

26.073
21.634

Can't get quicker than .100 in T1 more than once every 20 laps....can't ever get it right

 

[SirAlanClive]

OK, I admit I didn't quite have Al's angle but I put down some rubber!

 

[iainoflo85]

OK, I admit I didn't quite have Al's angle but I put down some rubber!

Is it easy to control a slide with that car? I wouldn't imagine I would be intending to do it, but if it happened because I was pushing too much, would it just spin me out, or will it be easy to counter?

 

[SirAlanClive]

Is it easy to control a slide with that car? I wouldn't imagine I would be intending to do it, but if it happened because I was pushing too much, would it just spin me out, or will it be easy to counter?

Trail braking with BB 5/7 and downshifting slowly from 6th to 3rd gave me a sort of controlled slide. It was the only way I could keep speed into T1 and get enough angle on T2 to stay in 3rd. Throttle works as counter.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Trail braking with BB 5/7 and downshifting slowly from 6th to 3rd gave me a sort of controlled slide. It was the only way I could keep speed into T1 and get enough angle on T2 to stay in 3rd. Throttle works as counter.

I'm running a brake balance of 0/8. May sound like I'm off my rocker, but I find that no front brakes on a FF car suits my style quite nicely.

That last hairpin going into the straight is killing me right now in this car. Several times I've been up on my ghost only to lose it coming out of there. Also, that hairpin coming out of the tunnel is another trouble spot for me. Any tips on that spot. These FF cars really cramp my style

 

[iainoflo85]

I'm running a brake balance of 0/8. May sound like I'm off my rocker, but I find that no front brakes on a FF car suits my style quite nicely.

I always use less brakes at the front on an FF car - this is something I picked up off of this site. I think it was on MCH's tuning thread. But I don't go as low as 0 at the front. Never tried it so can't say it would be crazy.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I always use less brakes at the front on an FF car - this is something I picked up off of this site. I think it was on MCH's tuning thread. But I don't go as low as 0 at the front. Never tried it so can't say it would be crazy.

Yea, I have quite a few tuning quirks that I use that goes against the norm. They all work for me tho. I've found that with that, you can't be afraid to think outside the box.

 

[iainoflo85]

Yea, I have quite a few tuning quirks that I use that goes against the norm. They all work for me tho. I've found that with that, you can't be afraid to think outside the box.

Tuning quirks break new ground, so they're always worth exploring.

 

[Vagabond]

I'm still using 5/5 Brake Balance - car feels more settled to me.

Here's my first sector vid anyway. 25.854

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[SirAlanClive]

...Also, that hairpin coming out of the tunnel is another trouble spot for me. Any tips on that spot. These FF cars really cramp my style

You're thinking of the S bend - the right / left - just after the tunnel. It's the most difficult part of the track imo. I'm wondering if I should try to slide a bit around the right hander to get my nose pointing the right way. If I can get the right start I can put the pedal to the metal through the next 2 turns and the rest of the track seems pretty straight forward. I'm thinking that the last sector isn't going to be the decider in this race.

Nice, composed, first sector there Chris. Made me feel quite hysterical

 

[DigitalBaka]

Yeah, that right hander right after the tunnel is my lap killer currently. If I ever get that right I'll take a chunk of time off the board. Pretty comfortable everywhere else. I may move my BB to the back and see if I can get some rotation to happen.

 

[Mamba]

Thought I'd give this one a go, using Chris setup (nice tune mate 👍) only thing I changed is brakes (2/6 is my BB) car surprises me sometimes with some unexpected grip midcorner then lets go then grips again the 2/6 sort of helps. Anyway still some time to find in sector 1.

26.350
21.657

 

[Spud_Skills]

New splits:

25.996
21.508

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

You're thinking of the S bend - the right / left - just after the tunnel. It's the most difficult part of the track imo. I'm wondering if I should try to slide a bit around the right hander to get my nose pointing the right way. If I can get the right start I can put the pedal to the metal through the next 2 turns and the rest of the track seems pretty straight forward. I'm thinking that the last sector isn't going to be the decider in this race.

Nice, composed, first sector there Chris. Made me feel quite hysterical

Yea, thats the spot. I thought about using the hand brake in the first turn but just not skilled enough at that procedure yet.

 

[SirAlanClive]

Yea, thats the spot. I thought about using the hand brake in the first turn but just not skilled enough at that procedure yet.

I found that going wide on the left before the right hander earned me 0.2s on the second sector. It allowed me to take left-hander wider and faster. From there on it's full throttle to the last hairpin so any gains at that left hander really add up.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I found that going wide on the left before the right hander earned me 0.2s on the second sector. It allowed me to take left-hander wider and faster. From there on it's full throttle to the last hairpin so any gains at that left hander really add up.

Tried that with no real success but will give it another try now. I tell yea, this combo is going to be a real heartbreak for me. I'm on the verge of busting it wide open (maybe top 5) if I can just get them spots nailed down with this car.

 

[iainoflo85]

Glad to see you're enjoying this one Mitch, because I'm not.

Best after about an hour:

26.539
22.234

I think that was a fluke as well. Not sure what I'm not doing right, but those first two turns, in fact the whole first sector is so hit and miss for me. I red lap or I'm just too darn slow - the second left hander is a killer at the start of the lap and I don't know the best of way of getting through it, yet. Will watch Chris's video see if I'm missing something that should be completely obvious - but then I've never been great with FF's there just so reversed.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Glad to see you're enjoying this one Mitch, because I'm not.

Best after about an hour:

26.539
22.234

I think that was a fluke as well. Not sure what I'm not doing right, but those first two turns, in fact the whole first sector is so hit and miss for me. I red lap or I'm just too darn slow - the second left hander is a killer at the start of the lap and I don't know the best of way of getting through it, yet. Will watch Chris's video see if I'm missing something that should be completely obvious - but then I've never been great with FF's there just so reversed.

I always enjoy doing these TT's. But, this one is at my home track, so to speak, where I do all my testing and whatnot so I know it very well, like I've said before. Just don't have alot of experience with FF cars, thats all. Now give me a FR car, and its on like Donkey Kong,

 

[Mamba]

I think trying to avoid under steer is the key, I'm trying to brake early and less so the car doesn't understeer given that its FF you can get on power much earlier and harder so its better to be slower on entry and explode on exit, some corners like corner 1 - 2 patience seems to work for me

 

[iainoflo85]

Well after watching Chris's sector 1 video I've learnt a lot. I see how he can go so smoothly through those corners without sliding and I've been practicing them the way he does them with his tune minus the gears - they don't match any way I've tried. But I'm making improvements now. I can see more and more how I can get round the corners smoother and faster, and it's plain as day, like I thought, just watching the video confirmed I was missing something fundamental.

First sector still has a lot of working to be done, but I'm happy with my sector 2. Last sector on this lap sucked last corner, so I know I can improve that as well.

Edit: Found a tenth, but not in the first sector

26.677
21.758

26.539 26.583
22.234 21.959

 

[GT5David17]

I'm still using 5/5 Brake Balance - car feels more settled to me.

Here's my first sector vid anyway. 25.854

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Looks like you only brake for a short while when you enter turn 1 and then hit the brakes again before going into turn 2. I also use break balance 5/5 and I have to break throughout the whole of the bend in order to even fit inside the track when going into turn 2 as I always go wide and hit the wall on the right.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Well after watching Chris's sector 1 video I've learnt a lot. I see how he can go so smoothly through those corners without sliding and I've been practicing them the way he does them with his tune minus the gears - they don't match any way I've tried. But I'm making improvements now. I can see more and more how I can get round the corners smoother and faster, and it's plain as day, like I thought, just watching the video confirmed I was missing something fundamental.

First sector still has a lot of working to be done, but I'm happy with my sector 2. Last sector on this lap sucked last corner, so I know I can improve that as well.

Edit: Found a tenth, but not in the first sector

26.677
21.758

26.539 26.583
22.234 21.959

Good to see you're improving, nice splits. I too have just improved. Lost a tad on the first sector, but finally gained in last two for a better overall time

 

[iainoflo85]

Good to see you're improving, nice splits. I too have just improved. Lost a tad on the first sector, but finally gained in last two for a better overall time

Not really where I want to be though - I still feel slow. But I did think right before that lap that if I can get a tenth faster then I can stop for the night. But I want to keep going, now I know I can get a tenth in the second sector, I just need to find a tenth in the first sector as well.

 

[Vagabond]

Nice, composed, first sector there Chris. Made me feel quite hysterical

Nothing wrong with a little hysteria Alan - just save it for the main straight.

Well after watching Chris's sector 1 video I've learnt a lot.

Glad it helped Iain 👍 Keep it smooth and relaxed and the speed will come.

Looks like you only brake for a short while when you enter turn 1 and then hit the brakes again before going into turn 2. I also use break balance 5/5 and I have to break throughout the whole of the bend in order to even fit inside the track when going into turn 2 as I always go wide and hit the wall on the right.

You really have to feel how much grip the front tyres have and feather the brakes and throttle to keep the front end in. An FF car with no downforce is a tricky balancing act of brake and throttle - more so than an MR or FR because the front tyres are expected to turn and put the power down while they're already crying for mercy. The difference between nailing the apex in turn 2 and just sliding wide is tiny in terms of speed and placement, its not as simple as just being on the brakes or not. Watch the video a few times and make note of my speeds and where I brake and how much ... same with the throttle inputs.

Nice going so far Mitch - pretty handy round this track eh. 👍

I found my tenth in sector 3 anyway:

25.808
21.544

Best 1st sector is now 25.761 so there's still about a tenth out there unless there are secret tenths as yet undiscovered. What a great little combo Kevin - genius tyre choice mate.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Thanks. I had my improvement for today so going to call it quits till tomorrow. Great runs today guys and enjoyed the company while running today. So, until tomorrow, when we ride again. Peace all.

 

[viper84]

25.945
21.784