GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 15 : Running Full Stop in Reverse - FIRST POST UPDATED

[chukabilly]

O.K. I looked at it closely and where the rumble strip starts on the left, just before t1, the white line is on the inside of the rumble. I'm almost always straddling the white line there, but this time I went from the white line to the rumble strip, not realizing that the cobblestones were laid right up the end of the rumble, instead of tarmac. For one split second, my right side tires cross over a cobblestone that I thought was tarmac. I never looked at it before, because I'm not usually over there.

edit: You are probably right, there may an advantage. I've never tried it, so I don't know for sure. This set-up feels good to me, so hopefully it helps!!

 

[EDK]

So, I'm holding to my original rule. If it's not tarmac or rumble, it's out of bounds. That includes the cobbles on the left side of the first tunnel.

 

[CSLACR]

Split 1: 22.625
Split 2: 28.771
Still waiting to be put in to a division though, sent off my qualifier times (Pad user also).

With a DS3? Welcome, try not to embarrass the rest of us.

I think you can carry more exit speed thorugh that fast right turn if you go over those cobblestone's. IMO it should be ilegal and I'm using white line( later red rumble) as track limit there!👍

I have to agree with Chuk, but then again, you're an alien so maybe you know how to manipulate the extra room and we don't....

Thanks for the tip!

Just be careful not to lose settings changes, it's gotten me before, takes some getting used to.

I'm not saying it should be legal, but I don't think it gives you more speed. My fastest time (the 22.659) is within the white lines, which is where I run. This one lap I'm talking about is within the white line right up to the rumble strip, when it clips a cobblestone. My fastest lap does indeed cross entirely over the white line, so I would never submit it, but it's still a full tenth slower at t1 (it's a 22.783.) I was just wondering about that one stone. If Jake gets here, I'll post a picture. But I do agree that the cobbles should be out, I'm trying to let people know to watch out for it, that's all.

It's legal according to the rules.

Rumble Strips and Tarmac are Track Surface.
The Concrete Surface found on the outside of the rumble strip and past white boundary lines in several turns is not track
See examples below. Those who use these runoff areas without keeping at least 2 wheels on Tarmac or Rumble Strips will be DQ'd.

The concrete on the left before entering the last tunnel
The concrete on the right after exiting the last tunnel

Nothing is mentioned about crossing any specific white lines.
If crossing white lines with 3+ tires is illegal, I expect to see a ton of DQ's for the exit of the double right in T2. - Myself included I believe.
However, it is not specifically mentioned, so at this point, whether T1 exit, or anywhere other than EDK specified, it's allowed so long as you're on something besides grass.

So, I'm holding to my original rule. If it's not tarmac or rumble, it's out of bounds. That includes the cobbles on the left side of the first tunnel.

I didn't see this before I started, I don't mean to be a pain, I swear. I haven't even looked for whether I cross any white lines, or ran onto cobblestone besides the two spots you mentioned originally.
I'm pretty sure I ran past the white line in T2 as I said, no clue about T1, didn't see any issue there.

 

[LeftyWright69]

T1: 23.256
T2: 29.298

Knocked another little chunk of the clock w/ this one I did last night before bed and it was better then my existing shows 👍

T1: 23.106
T2: 29.312

 

[EDK]

It's legal according to the rules.

Nothing is mentioned about crossing any specific white lines.
If crossing white lines with 3+ tires is illegal, I expect to see a ton of DQ's for the exit of the double right in T2. - Myself included I believe.
However, it is not specifically mentioned, so at this point, whether T1 exit, or anywhere other than EDK specified, it's allowed so long as you're on something besides grass.



I didn't see this before I started, I don't mean to be a pain, I swear. I haven't even bothered looking for whether I cross any white lines, or ran onto cobblestone besides the two spots you mentioned originally.
I'm pretty sure I ran past the white line in T2 as I said, no clue about T1, didn't see any issue there.

Why doesn't someone take a picture to try to clear up what we are talking about here? I can have a look for myself, but not until tonight.

This has nothing to do with the boundary line. But if you can have 3 or more wheels on the cobbles there, you will be out of bounds.

Not seeing it is not an excuse. The track surface rules are quite clear in the first post, and have been reiterated several times in the thread. I should not have to take a picture of what constitutes out of bounds every single week.

 

[CSLACR]

Why doesn't someone take a picture to try to clear up what we are talking about here? I can have a look for myself, but not until tonight.

This has nothing to do with the boundary line. But if you can have 3 or more wheels on the cobbles there, you will be out of bounds.

Not seeing it is not an excuse. The track surface rules are quite clear in the first post, and have been reiterated several times in the thread. I should not have to take a picture of what constitutes out of bounds every single week.

If nobody else has, I can in about an hour. (Picture)
I assume there is room to cross 4 wheels onto cobblestone there, but I have no idea if I've done it, or if it's on my submitted lap.
For what my 2 cents are worth, at this point, with all the time gone by and laps ran, because it wasn't specified original rules, and the rules specify that those (listed) are the areas we cannot drive, it should be allowed.

Not seeing it is not an excuse. The track surface rules are quite clear in the first post, and have been reiterated several times in the thread. I should not have to take a picture of what constitutes out of bounds every single week.

Agreed, but when you do specify where out of bounds is, it is assumed other areas are allowed, no?
I'll see if I can get a picture now.

 

[EDK]

If nobody else has, I can in about an hour. (Picture)
I assume there is room to cross 4 wheels onto cobblestone there, but I have no idea if I've done it, or if it's on my submitted lap.
For what my 2 cents are worth, at this point, with all the time gone by and laps ran, because it wasn't specified original rules, and the rules specify that those (listed) are the areas we cannot drive, it should be allowed.

Agreed, but when you do specify where out of bounds is, it is assumed other areas are allowed, no?
I'll see if I can get a picture now.

You assumed that everything but grass was track.

The first post states -

• Rumble Strips and Tarmac are Track Surface.
• The Concrete Surface found on the outside of the rumble strip and past white boundary lines in several turns is not track

I added a couple of pictures for clarification in areas that can be exploited for significant time gains. But the fact remains that I stated that Rumble Strips and Tarmac are track surface. Putting up pictures is not to say "These are the only turns where the above rule applies".

 

[GTP_Plato]

I bet people are glued to there computers waiting for the verdict, I am one of them It is tarmac past the white line entering the double right so hopefully it will be deemed clean

 

[Dr_Watson]

oh so you're going to follow my favorite real track with my favorite classic track.
First initial shake down:

T1:23.563
T2:29.946

Good fun; love to tune it over the weekend to hopefully squeeze another second out of the final time.

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Now for a couple of quick questions:

The apron inside the last tunnel is off-limits... but kerbs are usually considered track; so does that mean that as long as we keep contact with the candy cane we're good, or are we using the white line?

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Second, is the cobble apron on the inside after the first tunnel fair game?

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guess I should have read all the thread first; so my first question I guess applies to both situations. We going by the line or the kerbing?

 

[EDK]

It's very, very, very simple.

There are only 2 track surfaces.

1. Black Tarmac

2. Red and White Rumble Strips.

Concrete, cobbles, grasscrete and anything else you can find and come up with to drive on is not track.

Tarmac on the other side of white lines is fine. So are rumble strips on the other side of white lines. White boundary lines only enter into the equation if it happens to be a different surface that's on the other side of them.

 

[poolhaas]

Now that it's clarified, can someone give me some pointers on how to tackle the first 2 corners of T2, I keep losing almost half a second to my previous lap and can't remember what I've done .

 

[EDK]

I updated the first post to add some language that hopefully make the boundary rules absolutely, positively crystal clear.

 

[CSLACR]

It's very, very, very simple.

There are only 2 track surfaces.

1. Black Tarmac

2. Red and White Rumble Strips.

Concrete, cobbles, grasscrete and anything else you can find and come up with to drive on is not track.

Tarmac on the other side of white lines is fine. So are rumble strips on the other side of white lines. White boundary lines only enter into the equation if it happens to be a different surface that's on the other side of them.

Perfectly put. The confusion comes in when you say "several areas" and then list areas.
Again, I'm really not trying to make this hard for you, and I appreciate what you do here.


I suck at this - so a facebook link, it is possible, but there's no gaining from it, the wider section I didn't take a pic of, because you would have to severely overturn, and then swing back out, - it would kill your time.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...0252213711136.367665.524556135&type=1&theater

EDIT: also checked my replay, not even close.
JMO - In the future, I for one would prefer the simple statement of "no cobbles at all". And then there's no need for you to spend time making pictures either.

 

[munch2112]

Splits.

T1: 23.221
T2; 28.985

T1 is still slow, just can't hook together a decent T1 AND a good T2, they don't come together!

 

[chukabilly]

Sorry Kevin. So far today I've broken the leaderboard and caused this discussion. I guess it's better now than after results, though. I'm going to take a nap!

 

[CSLACR]

Now that it's clarified, can someone give me some pointers on how to tackle the first 2 corners of T2, I keep losing almost half a second to my previous lap and can't remember what I've done .

Yes, it's not driven as 2 corners. - Wait as long as you can, but do not brake to late - entry speed 95mph(ish) - coast until traction resumes - (should be going about 89-90) then between 1/4 and 1/2 throttle through the entire double turn, making as smooth a single motion as possible. - In between the two turns, you'll see room to go full throttle - do not, it will make you go wide. - I usually end up back and forth between more throttle and less, combined with more steering and less, and you should be able to hold at least 87mph, and full throttle up the hill, shift at the crest, brake ealier rather than late for tight left hander, and get lightly on throttle quickly so you don't lose to much speed.

Hope that helps. 👍
EDIT: - I suggest my tune,(pg 20) because it's very similar to Chuk's, capable of 28.5's, but (I believe) easier to drive, because I lessened the snap-oversteer under braking and lift-off.

Sorry Kevin. So far today I've broken the leaderboard and caused this discussion. I guess it's better now than after results, though. I'm going to take a nap!

Better safe than sorry.
I really truly thought the areas specified were the only areas it applied to, because that's where the time gains are. Well, now I know for all future events too.

Thanks, and sorry for the confusion Kev.

 

[tadlock]

Thanks again to Plato & Chuk (& others) for sharing their tunes.

I knocked 0.5 secs off after engine overhaul & chassis maintenance (tested limits in turn 1 too many times).

New splits:
23.175
29.535

 

[Dr_Watson]

Going to get the trophy for Racing Modifying a car (finally) , thanks to this week's combo. 👍

I wonder , how many trophies GT5_WRS has alredy covered ?



MadMax

you should also be able to get human stopwatch as it is very easy to run 5-10 laps within .3 of each other with this combo.

 

[CSLACR]

Thanks again to Plato & Chuk (& others) for sharing their tunes.

I knocked 0.5 secs off after engine overhaul & chassis maintenance (tested limits in turn 1 too many times).

New splits:
23.175
29.535

I bought a second car with my main account and sent it to my GTP, just so I wouldn't have the chassis brace thing, don't know the name. Maybe a worn chassis would help the car turn?

 

[poolhaas]

Yes, it's not driven as 2 corners. - Wait as long as you can, but do not brake to late - entry speed 95mph(ish) - coast until traction resumes - (should be going about 89-90) then between 1/4 and 1/2 throttle through the entire double turn, making as smooth a single motion as possible. - In between the two turns, you'll see room to go full throttle - do not, it will make you go wide. - I usually end up back and forth between more throttle and less, combined with more steering and less, and you should be able to hold at least 87mph, and full throttle up the hill, shift at the crest, brake ealier rather than late for tight left hander, and get lightly on throttle quickly so you don't lose to much speed.

Hope that helps. 👍
EDIT: - I suggest my tune,(pg 20) because it's very similar to Chuk's, capable of 28.5's, but (I believe) easier to drive, because I lessened the snap-oversteer under braking and lift-off.

Thanks for the reply.
I always try to go in 1 smooth motion but always end up on the kerb and bounce into the next corner wall.
Maybe my problem is braking too late and sliding too much the first part, and probably my heavy foot .
I'll give your tune a try next, thanks! 👍

 

[Dr_Watson]

It's very, very, very simple.

There are only 2 track surfaces.

1. Black Tarmac

2. Red and White Rumble Strips.

Concrete, cobbles, grasscrete and anything else you can find and come up with to drive on is not track.

Tarmac on the other side of white lines is fine. So are rumble strips on the other side of white lines. White boundary lines only enter into the equation if it happens to be a different surface that's on the other side of them.

Thanks 👍 don't mean to be pedantic... just deep forest is a strange one for track boundaries as it likes to have edges which go tarmac > line > tarmac > kerb > apron > grass. One of the only places I prefer the draconian rule of "over the line is OB."

 

[the_wilco]

I don't know why but something about this combo agrees with me.

22.885
29.401

Not much improvement in shows but 1/3s up overall.

 

[Gravitron]

Perfectly put. The confusion comes in when you say "several areas" and then list areas.
Again, I'm really not trying to make this hard for you, and I appreciate what you do here.


I suck at this - so a facebook link, it is possible, but there's no gaining from it, the wider section I didn't take a pic of, because you would have to severely overturn, and then swing back out, - it would kill your time.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...0252213711136.367665.524556135&type=1&theater

EDIT: also checked my replay, not even close.
JMO - In the future, I for one would prefer the simple statement of "no cobbles at all". And then there's no need for you to spend time making pictures either.

I'm not getting into this discussion, it just bothers me that pics on facebook require me to login to facebook. So here's an imageshack version of CSLACR's pic:

 

[LeftyWright69]

T1: 23.106
T2: 29.312

Well I guess my nights sleep paid off because I just knocked off another .2+ off my shows and once again blasted my OT w/ a double.

T1: 23.117
T2: 29.093

Looks like me and this track have come to an understanding

Hay "Munch"

I just want to extend my gratitude to all those who give up their numbers on the setups because I know that I could not have made this charge towards the podium without all of you. There is just know way that I could have found this odd setup because none of it makes any sense in the real world. It really sukz when you have a grip on the whole driving thing and the setup is from the “Galactic Bit Bucket”. How youz guyz stumbled on to this stuff just amazes me. Thankzz

 

[munch2112]

Hay "Munch"

hi lefty!

It's been very close running this week.... And I won't have much chance to get another run in now birthday weekend and all that

Oh, it's Adam by the way 👍

 

[millross]

*Wrong splits wuz ere*

didn't quite get last turn right. Maybe a tenth lost there. Rest of it was pretty slick :-)

 

[LeftyWright69]

birthday weekend and all that

Happy "B-day" bro 👍

T1: 22.865
T2: 22.877
didn't quite get last turn right. Maybe a tenth lost there. Rest of it was pretty slick :-)

Do you have a "TYPO" ?

28 v your 22 for "T2" ?????

Maybe a "28.877" ?????

 

[yanaran]

T1: 22.851
T2: 28.730

Lost about half the lead to the finish, but still progress.

 

[poolhaas]

CSLACR, your tune is genuis!
Did 5 laps, smashed my time and my first T1 in the 22's

22.838
29.597

Middle sector can improve a bit more, thanks for sharing.

 

[CSLACR]

CSLACR, your tune is genuis!
Did 5 laps, smashed my time and my first T1 in the 22's

22.838
29.597

Middle sector can improve a bit more, thanks for sharing.

Not a problem, I couldn't take the snap over-steer I was getting, (before I tinkered) but it's great to see how fast we can make this little car move!
And thank Plato & Chuk too, wouldn't have it without them.


@Gravitron - Thanks, that's why I never post pictures, lol.