GTP_WRS-Online : 2013 WRS F1 Championship (PASM Champion!)

[WRP001]

Haven't checked my own replay but the same issue with the tires on the replays are being reported. Can the admins check the tires using the new methods they have discovered?

No unfortunately, it hasn't been worked out enough to this point to work in this situation.

By my maths, should have moved up to 4th in the championship, also Bart has a nice healthy lead of 16 points

There will be changes based on incidents and infractions so you'll just have to wait until the final results are shown. The admins are reviewing replays and discussing infractions at this point and will release the results once those decisions are final.

Note: It does look like several drivers from room B finished the race fast enough to earn points so not all of the top 10 from the A lounge will earn points.

• If multiple lounges are run in any GP the following special rules will be observed to allow drivers in room 2 a chance to score points:
  • Points positions 1-6 (pts = 25 | 18 | 15 | 12 | 10 | 8 ) will come from the top 6 finishers in room 1.
  • Points positions 7-10 (pts = 6 | 4 | 2 | 1) will be based on merging the results from both rooms and comparing the total race times of the remaining drivers.

 

[gazziboy]

Cant remember the exact tyre strategy I used but i think it was

Soft up to lap 15
Soft till lap 29 or 30
onto the Hard to lap 45
the Hard till the end.

 

[WRP001]

A quick progress report...

1. The admins have verified the starts from both lounges were clean. 👍
2. Our review of the B lounge is complete although we are still in the incident report window (race end + 24 hours) so we're holding on announcing official results from that race.
3. The A race is still under review.

On another note, the replays appear to be glitched again with respect to being able to properly check and enforce the multiple compound tire rule. We thought the Monaco glitch was isolated and caused by resetting the room after a driver had the wrong tires (discovered during the formation lap), plus that entire race had some bigger glitches with the live timing screen. But this race went off without any room resets and replays from both lounges are glitched so we have to conclude the glitch is persistent. 👎

We do know a change has to be made since it's now common knowledge that the replay can't be used to properly enforce compliance with the original rule. We have no reason to believe that anyone has abused the original rules at this point, but in order to protect the integrity of the results/competition our hand is forced in this matter moving forward.

As a result, we will have to drop/modify the tire compound rule for the remaining races. Our first choice is to require all drivers start on hard tires, but open up tires for the remainder of the race. Our second choice would be to remove all restriction and allow drivers to use whatever tire they prefer at any point in the race. In either case there will be no limit on the number of sets of softs you can use for a race.

Start on Hards / Open Choice Thereafter

Provides a smoother transition from our original tire rule. Drivers will still need to prepare for both tire compounds and it will still produce significant mixed strategies. Drivers can switch off the hard tires quickly for the faster soft tires OR they can stick it out with the hard tires in an effort to cut out a pit stop. It also easy to enforce. The regulations can be set to allow only hard tires and all drivers will enter the pits. Then the restriction can be removed and the final admin will enter the pits. Checking tires on the replay will not be required, except to verify the last admin started on hard tires (which is not glitched). It does require the driver to remember to switch tires, but at least if they forget they can modify their strategy and continue on hards and not be required to pit after one lap (like they do now if they forget to switch off soft tires).

Open Choice

Biggest change from original rule since drivers need only prepare for one compound. This will produce fewer strategy variations as many drivers will just stick to softs for the entire race. Some drivers may still opt for hards during a race, but it's unlikely and will be the rare exception. Obviously easy to enforce and execute​

We haven't made a final decision on the tire compound rule and we welcome your feedback.

 

[Dr_Watson]

GG Gran Turismo. 👍

 

[mika012397]

My original strategy was 20 laps softs 18 lap soft because of fuel only filling up with 20L in my first stop and then 22 laps on hards but that didn't work because I f'ed up the tire switching making me pit again the lap after my 2nd stop.

And I like the start on hards idea think that would be good.

 

[R35 SKYLIN3]

To be honest, even though it cant be enforced I much rather the system we already have, adds extra element of strategy rather than just straight out speed :/ I dont fancy either of the new options to be honest since I think we can trust our current bunch to do the right thing, shown by gooners taking the extra stop and things like that

 

[jammy21]

May be there's chance to use medium tires also?

 

[DrAug]

LET US RUN Q on hard , start with them so we have 2sets of soft left .

 

[PASM]

13 laps - Soft
12 laps - Soft
18 laps - Hard
17 laps - Hard

I wanted to do a more symmetrical strategy, but wanting a good track position and clean air made me decide to shift my stops a bit forward. I did a big mistake 15 laps before the end. I tried to catch Loris (dr Aug), but he kept his cool 👍 Knowing now that Ben was on the softs, it was a good thing that I pushed that hard. I might have lost second position if I didn't. Once again many congratulations to Loris!

 

[mohitraina91]

My first choice would be what Rocket said. Like the statistics show, 99%+ of WRS members don't cheat and I really trust the people I race against. And I really like the current format.

My 2nd choice would be starting on the hard tires, open choice thereafter. Of course like Jammy said that could mean using medium tires as well.

 

[Spurgy 777]

How is the review going?

As for tyres, I would like it to stay as it is, if someone's replay is glitched, surely a look at their lap times could give us an idea of what tyres they were on seeing as there is usually a second between the two tyres. And as others have been saying, everyone here is probably trustworthy.

 

[WRP001]

The incident/replay review is complete. A couple drivers have been penalized and have been notified via PM. The official results will be published in a few hours along with a public announcement of the penalties.

 

[Dr_Watson]

How is the review going?

As for tyres, I would like it to stay as it is, if someone's replay is glitched, surely a look at their lap times could give us an idea of what tyres they were on seeing as there is usually a second between the two tyres. And as others have been saying, everyone here is probably trustworthy.

TBH I'd lean toward just trusting people too. There's no money on the line or anything... we all do this just for fun so I'm of the opinion that if someone needs to cheat at a "fun run" to feel good about themselves I'll just let them have it.

If someone does think another is cheating they can still read the tea leaves to figure out it. There's enough of a difference in performance and wear from soft to hard that the replay will show the truth.

Lastly IIRC it's just everyone else's tires that are glitched... The 'owner' of the replay shows up correctly. So we can at least use our own replay to prove innocence quickly and easily.

Then again I only used one set of softs this weekend, so maybe I just like odd-ball strategy.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I really think there was a benefit to using the hards for fewer laps than I used the softs.

 

[WRP001]

The admins have finished their review of the German Grand prix replays and incidents. As a result of these reviews a 15 second penalty is being applied to both GTP_TamHablo and GTP_RPH for "minor" abuse of track boundaries. The admins did not feel there were any intentional cuts meant to cheat, but both drivers failed to do enough to correct the issue after a significant number of laps going wide in the same location on the track (in both cases the exit of turn 4) and the admins feel an unfair advantage was gained as a result.

The WRS-Online policy on track boundaries is pretty standard and taken very seriously:

Track Boundary Guidelines

Drivers are expected to do their best to stay within track boundaries per the OLR. Mistakes happens over the course of a long race and the random off or two will be overlooked in most instances, but if a pattern of boundary abuse is observed penalties will be handed out which include 15 seconds for a "minor" pattern of abuse, 30 seconds for a "substantial" pattern of abuse, and a DQ for "complete disregard" of track boundaries. In cases where penalties may not impact the driver (e.g. DC), the penalty may be carried over to the next event and may be applied as a 5 (minor) or 10 (major) grid spot penalty.

It's up to the admins' discretion exactly what qualifies as "minor", "substantial" or "complete disregard". Going outside the rumble by a centimeter isn't as serious as a car length wide excursions into the run off area. Factors such as dirty air and traffic also come into play. If you find yourself going wide then the next lap you're expected to slow down a bit more to make sure you stay within boundaries. If you make the same mistake multiple times and you want to avoid a penalty you can always self-penalize during the race by lifting for a very brief period upon returning to the track. Continuing to hammer the throttle after repeated boundary overruns may very well end with a post race penalty.​

General Guidelines:

• Contact with walls should be avoided. Wall riding/bouncing to gain time will be penalized and/or can result in disqualification.
• Rumble/ripple strips are part of the track
• Runoff areas are not part of the track including green painted concrete.

Here are the final official results after applying the penalties:

And the updated points standings:

The individual room results are as follows:

 

[Spurgy 777]

Awesome, got 2nd place!

 

[WRP001]

Registration now open for the Belgian Grand Prix:

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[Oshawa-Joe]

I'm very disappointed that I will not be able to make it to my favorite track. The remaining summer weekends have been booked up with family events, out of town soccer tournaments, and work. Looking forward to racing in September. Have fun at Spa!

 

[DrAug]

i feel a bit sad about my 15sec penalty but i deserved it!
i'm sorrry , because winning by getting off tracxk is not the reason why i joined and i don't want you to think that i joined for cutting track and getting penalties... i was so focused on getting back the 16secs i lost on Lap1 that i just forget to be careful about getting wide out of corners ....

i learned from this race about strategies , pace and also to stay "calm" after crashing on lap1 .
Thanks to every one for the race and Q , again , this serie is Awesome !

i'm really looking forward to the next race , see you on track
Loris

 

[WRP001]

Loris,

I'm impressed with your response and the fact that you own your mistakes and accept responsibility. 👍 That is just the kind of attitude that we want to see in all drivers in our series. Based on your pace in this event and the improvements you made versus Monaco I expect you'll be a hard one to beat in the remaining races.

You certainly have a knack for running that great lap at the very end of each session of qualifying. Oink and I were just discussing how you did that in Q2 in Monaco over the broadcast when you did it again in Germany. Made the broadcast quite exciting actually.

PS> Back to the topic of track boundaries, Spa has some friendly overrun ares so boundary abuse can be an issue and used to get an advantage. The following are all considered dirty:

There are obviously other areas on track including the chicane that can be cut and two wheels required on track applies everywhere, but the above are the main areas of abuse we've seen in past events.

 

[DrAug]

glad you guys understand...

about qualy , i just make many mistakes attacking to much in the early laps , so at every stop i make i wonder about the mistakes i did and Where i did them , breathe correctly and i'm off for a new 4 or 5 minute stint ...

main thing i noticed : smoothness is the key to a fast lap.

 

[PASM]

That is unexpected. I'm a bit lost for words as I was sure the victory slipped away when I spun in the Ford curve.

I think your response is very humble and fair, Loris 👍

Now more then ever I feel like I have two crosshairs on my back hehe

 

[bearair]

where do I find the Belgian track?

 

[hasslemoff]

where do I find the Belgian track?

Its DLC available at the PSN store if you have not downloaded it yet.

 

[Vinal]

Can I join in on this series?

Nevermind,

Registered.

 

[WRP001]

Can I join in on this series?

Nevermind,

Registered.

Welcome. Things will pick up in this thread after our World Cup event on Aug 10th. Most of us have been focused on GT Academy and/or the GT3 series so it has been quiet. Now we shift to World Cup for 2 weeks.

Actually can't wait to drive this car again as i haven't touched the F10 since Monaco... Hope I remember how to drive it. Hopefully next year GT6 will include at least a couple more GP tracks (we know silverstone for sure) so the wait between rounds isn't so long. The next two round are close together!

Well there, I guess I just announced we will be back with a WRS F1 series in 2014 and it will be bigger and better!

 

[Vinal]

Cool good to know

I enjoyed the week 79(?) combo of this same track and car, so I figured I'd give it a go.

Shame I didn't come back earlier to join from the start

Come to think of it, it was EDK's private message about the new way to check replays that dragged me back in, I got the email notification and thought, ah I'll stick it on for a quick go, then noticed the news feed saying GT Academy had started that day.

So for that, I thank you

(Finished in the mid 600's of the region)

 

[WRP001]

Cool good to know

I enjoyed the week 79(?) combo of this same track and car, so I figured I'd give it a go.

Shame I didn't come back earlier to join from the start

Come to think of it, it was EDK's private message about the new way to check replays that dragged me back in, I got the email notification and thought, ah I'll stick it on for a quick go, then noticed the news feed saying GT Academy had started that day.

So for that, I thank you

(Finished in the mid 600's of the region)

Yah, that F1 race at Spa last year is what got us started... We ran Suzuka as a special slot race in the fall with the full setup (knockout quali, etc) and then this series was born. Hydro's baby really, but it became an orphan so I adopted it.

 

[WRP001]

Announcement:

Due to the replay glitches and the resultiing inability to verify compliance to the original compound rules we are changing the tire rules for this series:

• Drivers are free to choose between Racing Soft and Racing Hard during qualifying.
• All drivers must start the race on Racing Hard tires, however, there is no minimum lap count on hard tires.
• Drivers are free to choose between Racing Soft and Racing Hard during pit stops (Mediums banned).
• There is no limit to the number of sets of Race Soft tires that can be used during a race

These modified compound regulations can be checked via "glitched" replays and in most cases will result in drivers using both compounds (unless someone runs the entire race on hards which is allowed, but unlikely) so it sticks as close in spirit to the original desire to promote racing on both compounds (and thus preparing on both). It also will generate strategy variations as different drivers may choose a different stint length on hards to start the race or even use an extra set of hards later in the race to avoid an extra pit stop, etc.

Based on our testing of the glitched replays the tires that are used at the start are 100% accurate. Then the system is about 50/50 as to whether it shows changes after the pits... it shows in some replays but not others... it may show drivers on hards the entire race and not register the switch to softs, but that's not an issue with the new rules. But the glitched replays never show a compound a driver hasn't used on a previous stint. Thus, if we see medium tires for a driver in *any* copy of the replay we'll know they were not in compliance with the rules.

Hopefully in GT6 the replay issues will be corrected and we will go back to the original rule for the 2014 series.

 

[R35 SKYLIN3]