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100's about half the discount it should have. MSRP should be almost half of what it is. I have more Logitech gear in my house than any other single manufacturer of anything and I am sorely disappointed with how the G29 has gone to market.
 
GTP_Dutchy
Thank you guys,

That's extremely close to a double promotion :P If only last time I had driven with my windows up :P But wasn't planning a long stay in div 3 gold anyways :P

Here is a (little) write up i'd made because I'd like to keep track of thoughts on becoming a better driver so I can use that to reflect. For some drivers it maybe of use to get better faster and to others it maybe be a fun read whilst taking a trip down memory lane:P Love to hear what you guys think about it!

GTP_Dutchy’s Curva Grande #1

Introduction.
This is an update I wrote to reflect on passed time on GTPlanet. I’m planning to make these every once in a while so I can keep track of my progress and thoughts in my learning Curve that’s why I call it “Dutchy’s Curva Grande”. Since I’ve recently been promoted for the first time since the quallifier I think now is a good time to reflect.

Joining WRS
As some of you may know and some of you don’t I’m a good friend of Bart (PASM). We met when I joined our University kart team “A la kart”. One day we talked about gaming and the conversation quickly turned to GT. I’ve played GT1,2,3 fanatacaly but in a casual way (read: dive bombing and carner cutting my way to the front. Then my intrest started to shift towards shooters for a while. I went to university and wanted a console so I bought the pack with GT5 and played that till BF3 came out. Anyway as our conversation went on about GT it became clear that Bart is a two times national finalist at GTAcademy and he told me about the awesome GTPlanet forum. He made quite enthousiastic about the whole GTPlanet thing. I waited a while and when the game was on sale I bought it and began straight away. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ntroduce-yourself.111998/page-54#post-9322709

DS3 v.s. Racingwheel
Since I only had a DS3 and really wanted to learn driving with a wheel, Bart borrowed me his DFP and instantly got hooked with the added fun it brings when running the quallifiers.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gtp_wrsers-and-their-setups.233836/page-11#post-9365358
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gtp_wrsers-and-their-setups.233836/page-12#post-9907747

But it also introduced a learning curve I wasn’t quite as fast with the wheel as I was with the DS3. However It wasn’t as big of an gap as it would be for more experienced guys I think. The reason is that I wasn’t so fast and I recently bought the game so I didn’t get used to controls with the DS3 that longer playing drivers would have. So it would be more easy to adapt because I had no experience. Also I found out during the quallifiers I was faster with a wheel in the BMW and I was faster with the controller in the Megane. I think this is because oversteer can be better controlled by a wheel because I can be more precise with it. But with an understeering car it’s easy for a newbie to keep turning the wheel when the front tires lose grip which will result in over compensating causing you to lose time. After the quallifier I made a bungeecord mod to my wheel. I didn’t have a choice I had signed up for my first real race with the Lotus Evora did some test runs and found out I was about 5 seconds a lap slower. When I did an investigation to the source of the problem i noticed the brake pedal had an issue causing it to always brake about 5%. Luckily I had a bungeecord and could resolve the issue in front of the race. Also I noticed a good difference in the feeling with the pedals and again I could be more precise and got more fun out of it. I got used to the wheel but as wanted to make the next step in my learning curve.

Shifting
My next move was to ditch the automatic and learn to drive the car manual. I always thought it would take my ages to get used to it and in the beginning I was all over the place. After a weak I eventually got the hang of it and with this I mean I was becomming faster than the automatic. It’s unbelievable what advantage can be gained from that. It’s not only the extra speed you can get out of the engine but also if you can select the gear yourself you have control over the traction, rotation and balance of the car. I.e. The automatic lets you take the corner in 2 while you ideally would be using three. With the automatic , the shift would occur mid corner causing weightshift which you have to correct losing you a tenth of more. Often do you find yourself looking for hours on end to find another tenth not knowing where to find it, but this is how easy it can be found in one corner. For the shifting I had to use the stick since the paddle was broken I got a work around by using triangle. It worked but wasn’t ideal. When I got the money I Bought an G27 and the shifting went really smooth. Another advantage of shifting yourself is the pleasure you get. It makes racing more real and inproves the overall expereience aswel!

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gtp_wrsers-and-their-setups.233836/page-13#post-10014032

TT’s
I started with the matterhorn ZZII combo(week 9). I invested a lot of time since it was the first TT of the teamTT’s But unfortunately I didn’t make a negative handicap and to be honest I was quite bummed out because all off my efforts to improve weren’t enough. Also some problems came up in the TT team and after that I did do some TT work but not with the full commitment as in I didn’t invest enough effort. But then came the mazda is as mazda does combo(week 26). I really enjoyed it an I became quicker and quicker and in the en I got the pleasure back out of doing the TT’s and concentrating less on what’s not important the leaderboards. But focus more on what is Important. Lines, Precision knowing which gear should be used in a corner knowing what speeds will be needed at begining apex and end points. And by focussing on these things I became quicker. Which as a result had me climbing the leaderboard. So that gets you in a positive vibe throughout the TT. So by becomming more aware of what you should be focussing on, you approach toward a TT you can learn in a more constructive way. So after 17 weeks I got my plessure back but also my personal goals with a higher rate of improvement. After that combo I had quite a busy time because of my graduation project and vacation. When I came back from my vacation I had some money left and gave my self a g27 as a birthday gift. I had to get used to the whole thing since it was quite another experience thats why I was strugling to find the pase in the RUF TT (week 33). Fortunatly in week 35 Fast Fat Cat combo I had lot’s of time on my hands and i dedicated a lot of time to the combo I think about 15 hours. It really paid of because I could try different dings and could focus on each detail about time trailing and found more and more time. I set myself achievable goals (splits). And when I achieved them I would reflect on what could be better in my opnion. Next to that I began to benefit from the extra precision in the G27 wheel I got used to it and it definetly made an improvement. This week came an update screwing with de FFB settings. But I didn’t noticed anything different but anyway this also was advantage for me. Since the rest of the wrs’ers had to adjust to the situation. This week I ended winning the TT in division 3 by quite a length ad a whopping handicap of -1.3 something. It really gave my addiction a boost. My previous best result was 6thin div 3 quite an improvement. The next result would also be a win but in the roamin’ ponies. I loved the smal circuit with these big aircraft carier like cars. It was hard at times especially navigating the thing through the kink.

RACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now this is where I went real enthousiastic about. So if anyone’s reading this thinking how to I improve fast but hasn’t run online WRS go to the form right now (or after reading this :P) and sign up. Seriously sign up. If you thought TTing was fun that you really should be doing this! There are great battle’s and great respect all over the place from p1 to p 16 and from Div1 gold to Div 4 bronze. Doesn’t matter if you are div 4 and you don’t think you have the skillset. It doesn’t matter just join thats all it takes to develop your driving and skills. Don’t be afraid we won’t bite, Promise! I can recommend it to anyone in the WRS it’s a great experience, To be honest it makes my kind of sad to see a lot of people only doing the TT and not doing the Race, because to me the racing is the most fun and I feel sad that a lot of people could get 40% more fun out of their game. If you don’t believe me sign up for one WRS race just take a look if it’s fun for you. Like I said don’t be afraid that you are not good enough, When you park your ass on the couch and never go racing you won’t develop the skills, so right now is a good moment to join up and go racing with these guys! So much for the peptalk. Let’s go racing...


I was one of those guys who was a bit scared to be honest. Afraid to bump anyone offtrack or be in the way as the leader lapped me. So Bart and I had little talk somewhere along the line of what you just read and I tried it. And I got hooked straight away all the clean driving, respect and great battle’s. When I was done with the first one the adrenaline was still pumping for an hour. It’s so intense. You’re not racing AI so it instantly becomes more engaging and knowing it comes down to how good you are to pass a guy doesn’t matter if it’s on track or by pitstrategy and when you finally get it done after 3 or so laps the sence of accomplishment is way more rewarding than becoming first in any offline race of ending up a TT podium. So as I progressed I did the HSV rae at silverstone which was a disappointment to me because the practice had gone very well but in the race I spun out multiple times. Then the mazda MX-5 race came along that was a whole new level of excitement. And also the adrenaline stayed longer and I felt I had to do something with the experience I just got and I wrote a race report after that.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...da-does-july-19-23.313340/page-5#post-9907317

So after this it was the special Tripple mix part deux I absolutely loved that one 3 sprint races in gt300 cars action all over the place every race a different car. I had some great battle’s. Let’s say that the GT300 got a specialplace in my heart and in the near future I want to do something with it.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...gust-2nd-21-00-gmt.312817/page-5#post-9944363

Anyway after that I had some connection problems in the RUF an de fast cat races. I had a lot of badluck at the scirocco event and then came the Roamin’ Ponies also lot’s of fun. Bart and I decided to make a video about it.



The last race I wanted to do was the WED’s Forrest. Where I managed my first pole position but had to drive in to the pits after the formation lap because of visibillity issues. That was quite a bummer specially since I really really really loved this combo also because of the GT300 car :D But there is still a chance for the EU race! :D

So quick recap: Get a wheel, Learn to shift, Paricipate in online races!!! :P

Hope you guys enjoyed the read other wise you propably wasted a lot of time :P
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About an year ago i posted the first Dutchy’s Curva Grande. Since it’s an year later I think it’s a good moment to reflect on the passed year and summarize what I learned in...

Dutchy’s Curva Grande #2

Lets start of with the event that had the biggest impact in how I raced. I moved in with my girlfriend had a few projects and got a job, this sucked up most of my time and I couldn’t invest as much time as I would’ve liked to. Also keeping focus while driving has been more difficult when for example someone is vacuumcleaning the room your racing in.

Now we got that out of the way let’s move on to the racing part. In the first curva grande (CG) there where some basic techniques I learned which caused quite some big improvements. I learned to race with a wheel, I learned to shift manually and I invested a lot of time to get a better. That caused me to become a lot quicker over a short period of time.

Now I have less time, it’s crusial for me to use my time behind the wheel as efficiently as possible. I try to become better with each session I have behind the wheel. I always do this with a couple of thoughts in my head. I try to be as smooth as a babies bottom when it comes to the inputs I give, use the maximum width of the track and I try to go in slow and get out quick. For most of the guy’s here this is nothing new. Still it took me some time to perfect and get comfortable and consistent with. I’ve learned this proces will go on forever, there is always something to perfect. Looking at the replays I can clearly see I became better at this. Another thing that helped me a lot this year was trailbraking. By the time I wrote CG1 I wasn’t totally awear of this technique nor did I know how to use it. This year I focussed on this a much as possible I think this is one of the mainpoints I became better at and which caused me to become a lot quicker relative to other techniques I included or tried to perfect. For those who don’t know what trailbraking is I suggest googling for it because there are ton’s of people who are better at explaining this technique than I am. Another thing I became better at is reading the track. I tend to look further ahead and scan what the track in front of me is like is it going down? Means more speed means longer brakingzone. Does it have possitive or negative camber so does it allow me to get through it with extra speed or should I lose some speed. What is the surface like. Can or can’t I touch the curbstones. All these things I try to think of before I’m actually on that part of the track. In my opinion the Nordschleiffe is the perfect track to practice this. These are the major points I improved on in the passed year I believe. Besides that there’s a bunch of little tips and trick’s the guys inGTP Endurance Series ( Avalerion, Hyperion and WRS NA ) gave me which also piles up to be a big improvement in my race craft. in example I think I would still brake and then turn if it wasn’t for steve and bart telling me how I could do a trailbrake.

Now we touched the subject of the Endurance Series this also has been a big part of my past gt6 year. One which I enjoyed and absolutely hated mostly at different times but sometimes both at once. I Learned a lot about strategy, race craft and how important testing is while also learning a ton about being a teammanager, commentator and interviewer. Although I’ve been very busy with the series, somehow the star(t)s never really alligned so I couldn’t actually participate in any of them apart from the V8 Vigalante’s support race which I absolutely loved doing. I think it was one of my strongest performances in online racing to date. Ian started that race and did an amazing job giving me the car in first or second position. I drove a pretty consistent race and after the nerfs calmed down I really got in to my rythm until I had a crash on top of mount panorama the car infront of me made contact with the wall and was trying to rejoining track just after the top of the hill so I never saw him standing there. When i came over the top of the hill we had a massive accident. Because of this i had massive damage and had to limp to the pits. Some guys passed us and after the restart just before the end a lot of people where involved in a pile up just before the last corner luckilly this time I could avoid all of them and came across the line in 2nd.

In the WRS I think my best moment/enjoyed combo was the inferno rosso. I really learned a lot and had a lot of fun on that one. Nothing beats the sence of accomplishment after driving 7 minutes with a knife between your teeth and a cup of sweat in your buttcrack to find out you got faster. That being said also nothing beats the frustration after screwing up a best lap in the final chicane because you got to greedy. I don’t recall who made the following sentence but it is one i believe is true. The difference between the fast and the really fast guys on this track is how much risk you’re willing to take in those last corners. Most of the drivers don’t want to screw up their lap an built in a small buffer. The really fast guys just go 100% the enitre way around. I think that sentence applies to a lot things in racing and in life. If you give it a 100% effort all of the time eventually you’ll be rewarded and on that bombshell it’s time to end!
 
GTP_Dutchy
is it any good? how does it stack up against a dfgt or g27? curious since i'm exploring my options for ps4
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Don't know not got it yet :sly:, only order'd Monday. It was a cheap price, there normally around £150 so worth a bash.
 
GTP_Dutchy
is it any good? how does it stack up against a dfgt or g27? curious since i'm exploring my options for ps4
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It came just after I replied earlier. Had a little go with it.

It stacks up better than the DFGT, cant compare to any other wheel though.

Advantages
  • Plastic Pedals about the same size as DFGT but with more resistance.
  • Quieter
  • feedback is a lot stronger, to much for my liking so i've put power steering on
  • paddle shifters larger and a lot easier to use, feel ok quality.
  • Generally a better feel through the feedback
Disadvantages
  • the wheel is thinner than the dfgt and the blue grip on the wheel is a bit naff, dont know what my hands will be like after using it for a while.
Overall its a better wheel and for the price its good deal, plus you can add the better pedals if you wish to spend another £90.
 
I've found something great on the interwebs i think the following describes it best:
LaFerrari
Porsche918
McLaren P1
together on 1 circuit
spoiled panties.



P.s. You don't have to send me love letters I'm already taken :P
 
GTP_Dutchy
I've found something great on the interwebs i think the following describes it best:
LaFerrari
Porsche918
McLaren P1
together on 1 circuit
spoiled panties.



P.s. You don't have to send me love letters I'm already taken :P
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Do you know what track is this ? Would like to 'built' one for fun :cheers:
 
Portimao is a fantastic fast flowing, and undulating track with several crests and places where the track falls away quickly.
Like a rollercoaster.. One of the worlds best to watch Superbikes.. WSBK and CEV Repsol..

And then in no particular order:
Seems that I've missed my alerts for this thread for a while, and want to give a holler to @Whitetail for tagging us in his post on Sept 14th about GTPES and Karts.. Thanks Man..👍.. I just saw it today..:lol::lol::lol:

Reading through the last couple pages it bums me out that our impending move to PS4 is going to hurt so many here..
I don't like knowing that, but for me the switch to PS4 cant come soon enough.. My PS3 is on it's last legs and has been for a while.. I cant justify a new one now.. Or even R&R the HDD which is what it needs.. I'm holding my breath and hope it lasts a few more months.. I hope the others can somehow make it happen with the new hardware.
 
Wiping my hard drive clean and starting over would likely solve my issues with it..
Don't want to do that now though of course.. I'll slog along with it for as far as it goes..
Defrag does not do anything now..
 
euclid58
Wiping my hard drive clean and starting over would likely solve my issues with it..
Don't want to do that now though of course.. I'll slog along with it for as far as it goes..
Defrag does not do anything now..
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It would if you deleted a bunch of stuff you aren't using.
 
Happy Thanksgiving

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Picture this...I am standing with my trusty hamilton electric knife ( got it for a wedding gift in 1975)...but something looks wrong. The 24 pound turkey looks somewhat wierd. Its beautifully browned...smells great...but is odly miss shapen. I contemplate it..then say what the H and go to make a cut. The knife passes through brown skin...into air!

I step back and contemplate the wierd turkey and then break into raucous laughter and scream for herself ( who inserted said bird into the oven at 0830 ) who sticks her head into the kitchen with champagne glass in hand. I ask her what is wrong with the glorious roasted turkey in the rack on the cutting board. She looks at it askance and then screams...." The sucker is upside down"..

But there is a happy ending...with two bloody great prongs and much grunting I rotate the turkey 180 degrees....displaying its totally unbrowned breast and carved away. IT WAS THE MOISTEST DARN TURKEY EVER.

Moral of the story...do NOT let wife put turkey in oven unsupervised. But...we will cook it that way next year.
 
Too funny, Ned. :lol:

I got to hang out with my Dad and we both learned how to deep fry a turkey in peanut oil on our first go. 43min for a 14 pounder, and that was a few minutes too long...still tasted great, but could have been better.
Got a rousing game of Monopoly in with the cousins, and then a raucous game of Cards Against Humanity with everyone. This is my favorite holiday, which is why you didn't see me around here lately. :D
 
Assuming I can get one, are there any known downsides (especially reliability) to the T300RS vs the G29 at this point? I can still get an adapter for and optionally mod my g27 pedals over time, so the pedal set is not really an issue.

As far as I see it for me...
G29: cheaper (than the T300) here, and familiar to me (carries both good and bad - having to fix the opto wheel was a sore point, but I actually did worse damage by being impatient about it. More comfy with the innards now). Also have backup pedals and basically a free shifter already. More than a little bit sore about needing to replace it at all for PS4 support, but I'm also worried about my self-repaired G27 failing (had fatal repeated downshifting during my last WRS GT500 race, which I hope was a actually sticky DS3).

T300: more spendy, unfamiliar territory, but upgradeable, likely more fun but slower (especially initially). Thrustmaster support does worry me. I also foresee needing gloves for the rubber rim or eventual replacement rim, so more cost.

If it happens, I might be forced to go with the Ferrari GTE rim (local availability). Any other hassle there? Not especially huge on the branding (it's not leather or Alcantara), but neither am I particularly worried about the non-PS4ness; the extra top shoulder buttons might be a good thing. Whacky manetti switch thingo not so much.
 
Ealirendur
Assuming I can get one, are there any known downsides (especially reliability) to the T300RS vs the G29 at this point? I can still get an adapter for and optionally mod my g27 pedals over time, so the pedal set is not really an issue.

As far as I see it for me...
G29: cheaper (than the T300) here, and familiar to me (carries both good and bad - having to fix the opto wheel was a sore point, but I actually did worse damage by being impatient about it. More comfy with the innards now). Also have backup pedals and basically a free shifter already. More than a little bit sore about needing to replace it at all for PS4 support, but I'm also worried about my self-repaired G27 failing (had fatal repeated downshifting during my last WRS GT500 race, which I hope was a actually sticky DS3).

T300: more spendy, unfamiliar territory, but upgradeable, likely more fun but slower (especially initially). Thrustmaster support does worry me. I also foresee needing gloves for the rubber rim or eventual replacement rim, so more cost.

If it happens, I might be forced to go with the Ferrari GTE rim (local availability). Any other hassle there? Not especially huge on the branding (it's not leather or Alcantara), but neither am I particularly worried about the non-PS4ness; the extra top shoulder buttons might be a good thing. Whacky manetti switch thingo not so much.
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Sounds like you want to buy a new one, but just making sure you've seen the GIMX thread:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...ogitech-driving-force-gt-g27-with-ffb.336625/

@suprajef seems to be enjoying his new G29. 👍 But the T300 + your existing pedals would also be good.

Decisions. :indiff:
 
Yeah, I saw that. I certainly won't be selling the G27 (might eventually mod it, and also set up the pedals so my son can reach them), and that looks like a nice hack. Also a good excuse to play with Arduino &/ a Raspberry Pi, but that's not the sort of rig I want to be relying on for races if I'm tinkering.
 
Hey you TTers who never race...come here and have fun while learning...and the rest of you...how about a night of PURE FUN while polishing your skills with friends. TONIGHT...be there!!!!


https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/wrs-parity-pack-racing.339327/


daytona-international-speedway-jpg.492629


tonight at 8:30 central with racing at 9. Bring all three cars. Here is a picture of last nights mayhem at Daytona from the original Pack Room in A.N.Other League....note green car. C'est moi...le winner???? ..champagne all around please...and bronze it...it will NEVER happen again.:D Yeah I know...ovals...but....teamwork and boost made it NOT BORING.:eek:

Note : this is NOT an oval series....but children will be children upon occasion.....
 
Ealirendur
Assuming I can get one, are there any known downsides (especially reliability) to the T300RS vs the G29 at this point? I can still get an adapter for and optionally mod my g27 pedals over time, so the pedal set is not really an issue.

As far as I see it for me...
G29: cheaper (than the T300) here, and familiar to me (carries both good and bad - having to fix the opto wheel was a sore point, but I actually did worse damage by being impatient about it. More comfy with the innards now). Also have backup pedals and basically a free shifter already. More than a little bit sore about needing to replace it at all for PS4 support, but I'm also worried about my self-repaired G27 failing (had fatal repeated downshifting during my last WRS GT500 race, which I hope was a actually sticky DS3).

T300: more spendy, unfamiliar territory, but upgradeable, likely more fun but slower (especially initially). Thrustmaster support does worry me. I also foresee needing gloves for the rubber rim or eventual replacement rim, so more cost.

If it happens, I might be forced to go with the Ferrari GTE rim (local availability). Any other hassle there? Not especially huge on the branding (it's not leather or Alcantara), but neither am I particularly worried about the non-PS4ness; the extra top shoulder buttons might be a good thing. Whacky manetti switch thingo not so much.
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I've owned Logitec and Thrustmaster, IMO there's no comparison in terms of reliability. Logitec builds stuff that's nearly bulletproof, and what does go wrong can be easily repaired.

Thrustmaster is expensive AND unreliable, with horrible customer service. In my experience.
 

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